Thanks Joe, the Lincoln quote was not please it was written Fool some of the people.... but I get the gist.

I pod touch, I never bought or cared about the ipod 5 wss tiny click wheel wonderful, but toast now.

Final question: I think I'm going to turn off auto-update, as I'm still burnt out by the Catalina chaos.. don't want Big Sur quote yet,

I'm thiking:

1) Wait until the SoCal Macbook airs are available, then buy one. (thinking Jan/ Feb?)
2) Update to Big Sur on imac a bit before buying that laptop.

Sound smart? And issues migrating from my current 2012, laptop on intel, Catalina to the new Big Sure So cal laptop in Jan/ Feb?