Interesting Joe/ ARtie.

Well I already the the old partition way and working out thankfully for clone, super duper on desktop. But will make this note. How do you even know all this Joe? If it wasn't for this cloning chaos, I would not even know anything about APFS, and still don't understand 1/2 of it.

That said, on laptop, for some reason, I'm still having enoumouse issue is that after doing the APFS, it wont boot into the clone volumes there, I have no idea why. Will report back.. no problem on my desktop externals backups, but slim 1tB seagates wont boot...so far. Did everything the same.