Hi Hal, so glad to see your "face" again. Thanks for the welcome back.
I will start looking, but I do wonder where in Belgium I would be able to find the beers you mention. Never too old to learn, but... I do have my experience with the US meanwhile.
(not that it has anything to do whatsoever with you or my other "forum buddies" on FTM)
(love that abbreviation by the way; I would just add "R" and slightly rearrange the letters
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