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Indict Bonespur? Keep fingers crossed
#62654 10/12/22 12:40 AM
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Here's a rational argument that says Merrick Garland is likely to indict ex-President Bonespur.

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ryck #62656 10/12/22 12:46 PM
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Well, he deserves it. All communities better get ready for trouble if it happens.
Justice isn't cheap.

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Originally Posted by Gregg
All communities better get ready for trouble if it happens.
Maybe. Bonespur is certainly trying to stir things up but he may not have the support he thinks he has. I think the rabble-rousers are already looking at the fact that Bonespur took care of his friends by giving pardons while the direct participants in January 6th are getting hefty jail sentences. And, while they languish in jail, Bonespur plops himself down beside the pool at Mara Lago.

The seditious conspiracy trial against the Oathkeepers is already showing that Bonespur and these groups are all cut from the same cloth and have the same philosophy "Once things get testy it's everyone for him/herself". Two Oathkeepers have already struck deals to testify for the prosecution and the rest are using a defense that essentially tosses Bonespur under the bus: "It's his fault. He told us to do it."

Indicting Bonespur may be just what the nation needs in order to move forward.

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ryck #62658 10/12/22 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ryck
Indicting Bonespur may be just what the nation needs in order to move forward.
I read an article the other day that speculated that Trump may be holding super secret docs hostage against the possibility of his indictment.

I wonder how a threat to turn any such docs over to the enemy would play out?

Aside: I don't understand how Justice doesn't know precisely what's missing. I have a lot of trouble even imagining, let alone believing, that the docs in question aren't indexed, cataloged, and accounted for at every step of their existence.


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artie505 #62661 10/12/22 07:05 PM
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Aside: I don't understand how Justice doesn't know precisely what's missing. I have a lot of trouble even imagining, let alone believing, that the docs in question aren't indexed, cataloged, and accounted for at every step of their existence.

Theoretically, all classified documents are indexed, cataloged, and accounted for at every step of their existence. But as a twenty-one-year-old Navy Ensign I learned, what is supposed to happen and what does happen are not always the same thing, even when handled by people who supposedly know better. As the ship's “Classified Material Control Officer”, I underwent weeks of training on the intricacies of the “chain of control” and made daily, weekly, and monthly inventories of every classified document under my control, only to have the executive officer remove a highly classified document from my custody without a cover sheet, authorization, or signature and “store” it in an unlocked desk drawer in the captain's unsecured cabin. When the error was discovered and rectified, the exec's abject apology to myself and the entire ship's crew was epic.

Given descriptions of the Oval Office early in Trump's term, the loss of the trail of accountability was inevitable. If classified documents, were handled in such a cavalier manner by any DoD employee, in or out of uniform and regardless of rank, they would be grateful to get off with only 20 years in prison. Neither ignorance nor stupidity is acceptable as an excuse, and there was plenty of both to go around in the Oval Office during Bonespur's administration.


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joemikeb #62662 10/12/22 07:19 PM
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For instance, though, wouldn't the empty cover sheets be marked to in some way indicate what their contents were?


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artie505 #62663 10/12/22 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by artie505
I read an article the other day that speculated that Trump may be holding super secret docs hostage against the possibility of his indictment.
Always a possibility.....there were over thirty empty folders and, it seems to me, the likelihood of archivists filing empty folders is probably slim. So, what was in those folders and where is it now?

And, of course, the person we're talking about is so slimey and self-centered that you can't put anything past him.

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Originally Posted by ryck
...there were over thirty empty folders and, it seems to me, the likelihood of archivists filing empty folders is probably slim. So, what was in those folders and where is it now?
Those weren't marked "Top-Secret" or some-such, so they don't REALLY bother me.

The ones they haven't found yet are the dangerous ones.


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artie505 #62671 10/13/22 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by artie505
I read an article the other day that speculated that Trump may be holding super secret docs hostage against the possibility of his indictment.
That may be, if he is at least smart enough to know he is incredibly stupid. In addition to his various public statements that amount to admissions of guilt, the government now has witnesses and video evidence which show the boxes being moved, on Bonespur's instructions, after he received the May subpoena. Obstruction of Justice is pretty much a slam-dunk.

I can hardly wait.....and I'm not an American.

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Originally Posted by ryck
I can hardly wait.....and I'm not an American.
I wonder if ex President Bonespur, with his incredible arrogance in thinking he is smarter than everyone else, has now made it a certainty that he will not only be charged but that the process will be uninterrupted. In the elections he endorsed a bunch of whack jobs who all lost and were a main cause of the "red wave' not happening. It seems that there's now a large undercurrent in the Republican party who are thinking: "Time to dump him". If Bonespur doesn't get to run for President he fails to get any protections of that office.

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If the Republicans control the House, the Jan. 6 inquiry will be killed. mad


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Originally Posted by jchuzi
If the Republicans control the House, the Jan. 6 inquiry will be killed. mad

That is indeed true, but I always got the feeling that the committee was aiming to wrap things up prior to the new Congress. Regardless, it is up to the Justice Department to proceed with any legal actions, and the Justice Department is not changing with the new Congress.


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… I always got the feeling that the committee was aiming to wrap things up prior to the new Congress. Regardless, it is up to the Justice Department to proceed with any legal actions, and the Justice Department is not changing with the new Congress.

But they took too long! The indictment needs to come before Trump announces that he's running again. By that standard, he's stupid if he doesn't announce on the 15th, although his advisors are telling him to wait because it's stupid to announce before the runoff election in Georgia. So it seems that he's stuck, which is enormously entertaining.

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Originally Posted by Gregg
The indictment needs to come before Trump announces that he's running again.
Have you got documentation on that?

I've read otherwise.


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On this, the 44th anniversary of Jim Jones's terminal act [mass murder-suicide] in Jonestown, Guyana, it is perhaps time to encourage MAGA-ites and MAGAGA-ites, especially their leaders, to follow Jim Jones's example and extirpate themselves by drinking cyanide-laced Kool-Aid [actually Flavor Aid], thereby saving the free world from becoming a warped Comedy Club.
Just sayin' ....

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grelber #62819 11/18/22 10:07 PM
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Ex President Bonespur and his followers bring Isaac Newton to mind with his observation: "“I can calculate the motions of the heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people.”


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After reading the pundits assumptions that a man in Florida decided to announce a run for President to somehow shield himself from being prosecuted on several possible charges, it gave me great delight that the Attorney General of the Untied States cited that very announcement as the determining factor for appointing a Special Prosecutor to investigate some of those charges.

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Gregg #62823 11/19/22 03:17 PM
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Here's a bit of background on that Special Prosecutor. It sure looks to me that there couldn't have been a better pick for a person.. I suppose the newest problem that ex President Bonespur has is getting a good night's sleep.

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This NY Times article is a very thorough review of the litigation ex-#45 faces. Despite the headline title (…"He Has Dozens of Ways Out"), some, if not most of those ways, are just legal technical options that most likely will not occur.

Apologies in advance if the article is blocked by the Times; it may require you to register (free).


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And of course the latest Mar-a-Lago debacle involving Trumpsky, Kanye West and Nick Fuentes.
Table talk takes on a whole new meaning with that triumvirate.
It also establishes The Dongle as the categorical definition of "sick joke".
Blech!

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I wonder if it was a shot across Ivanka's bow?


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