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Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
artie505 #5939 11/19/09 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: artie505
Has anybody noticed whether "SnapBack" has been restored to Safari yet?
It's not there. I wrote to Apple at Mac OS X Feedback to complain (again). In case you didn't know, the ability to clear recent Google searches has been restored although I would like to see a way to clear selected searches. As of now, it's all or nothing.


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Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
Hal Itosis #5950 11/19/09 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: Hal Itosis
Hate to bust that theory, but i first noticed that BSD package was gutted sometime in 2008. Here is my (Leopard 10.5.8) rendition of that item:

$ ls -laR /Library/Receipts/BSD.pkg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root admin 0 Nov 29 2007 /Library/Receipts/BSD.pkg

It's an empty file!!!

I don't know how you got that. On my 10.5.8 volume, I have:

ls -lOde /Volumes/Savanna/Library/Receipts/BSD.pkg
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin - 102 Jun 14 2006 /Volumes/Savanna/Library/Receipts/BSD.pkg

du -sh /Volumes/Savanna/Library/Receipts/BSD.pkg
3.2M /Volumes/Savanna/Library/Receipts/BSD.pkg


On my 10.6.2 volume I have:
ls -lOde /Library/Receipts/BSD.pkg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root admin - 0 Sep 9 18:33 /Library/Receipts/BSD.pkg

So you're right about it leaving an empty file rather than an empty folder. The date (Sep 9) is the day I installed 10.6.0.

I first noticed this while digging into a complaint from a fellow MUG member that her Jaguar DURP was refusing to even look at her Snow Leopard system, despite never having balked at repairing permissions on her Tiger and Leopard systems. I read her the riot act about not using old repair utilities on new systems and the converse in DURP's case (and didn't hide my feelings on DURP in general), but I was curious to know why Jaguar's DURP, which obviously never checked versions before, was suddenly doing it now.

BSD.pkg was the one thing that the Snow Leopard installer changed that Jaguar's DURP would have looked at.

Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
ganbustein #5962 11/20/09 04:02 AM
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I don't know how you got that.

Via a clean install perhaps. [i.e., freshly erased the HD just moments prior to installing 10.5.0]

Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
artie505 #5963 11/20/09 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: artie505
Has anybody noticed whether "SnapBack" has been restored to Safari yet?

Not missed, since simply clicking and holding on the back arrow is much better.
[i.e., we can pick a specific level to jump back to, not just the "top of the site".]

Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
Hal Itosis #5966 11/20/09 06:11 AM
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ls -laR /Library/Receipts/BSD.pkg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root admin 0 May 3 2008 /Library/Receipts/BSD.pkg


Clean install here, too. (Now @ 10.5.7.)



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Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
Hal Itosis #5968 11/20/09 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: Hal Itosis
Originally Posted By: artie505
Has anybody noticed whether "SnapBack" has been restored to Safari yet?

Not missed, since simply clicking and holding on the back arrow is much better.
[i.e., we can pick a specific level to jump back to, not just the "top of the site".]

Still, you have to admire the optimism revealed in the use of the word "yet."

I expect SnapBack to return hard on the heels of Sherlock...right after the OS 9.5 update. laugh



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Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
Hal Itosis #5978 11/20/09 12:15 PM
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Quote:
Has anybody noticed whether "SnapBack" has been restored to Safari yet?

> Not missed, since simply clicking and holding on the back arrow is much better.

Hmmm... I don't know about much better, but I'll play with it; thanks for the thought.

>[i.e., we can pick a specific level to jump back to, not just the "top of the site".]

Don't forget that we can change our SnapBack level by hitting command-option-K at any point along the trail, and that would be nicely augmented by "click and hold."

Last edited by artie505; 11/20/09 03:05 PM. Reason: Clean up last sentence

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Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
dkmarsh #5979 11/20/09 12:29 PM
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> Still, you have to admire the optimism revealed in the use of the word "yet."

What the hey!

FireWire 400 "snapped back," and at what, I imagine, is far greater cost than restoring "SnapBack" would entail.

> I expect SnapBack to return hard on the heels of Sherlock...right after the OS 9.5 update.

...and immediately preceding the unveiling of the "FTM Mac FAQ Forum" to which I (not to mention others) have also devoted a considerable amount of optimism! shocked frown mad


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Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
ganbustein #8540 02/22/10 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: ganbustein
Just so you'll know: that's apparently the only checksum for ARDAgent, even though I'm now on 10.6.2:

find /var/db/receipts -name '*.plist' | while read x; do defaults read "${x%%.plist}" | grep ARDAgent && echo $VT_BOLD$x$VT_NORMAL; done
"System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAgent" = <cffc33a1 b351a828 36c2b44a cd7a6f00 033893c3>;
/var/db/receipts/com.apple.pkg.Essentials.plist


In /var/db/receipts, next to each packagename.plist is the corresponding packagename.bom, which is presumably where the raw permissions can be found. There are no other files in the folder; that is, nothing like a.receiptsdb.


Hey gang, i need some help with Snowy... and ganbustein appears to be on another extended leave (last post was before Thanksgiving 2009, both here and macosxhints). I'm still holding off on 10.6 until it comes pre-installed on my new MacBook Pro (due to be announced tomorrow?), so could any Snow Leopard user kindly run these three commands for me please:

Code:
ls -Orbitlake /Volumes


find /var/db/receipts -name '*.bom' |
while read x; do if lsbom -p MUGsf "$x" |
grep '/Volumes$'; then echo "$x"; echo; fi; done


find /var/db/receipts -name '*.plist' |
while read x; do defaults read "${x%%.plist}" | 
grep '/Volumes$' && echo "$x"; done


I'm investigating an odd ACL on the /Volumes folder (which has appeared in only a few macosxhints forums so far), and i'm trying to determine first of all where it's coming from (or at least where it's *not*).

TIA.

edit: note that those commands just read info... no changes happen to your disk.

Last edited by Hal Itosis; 02/22/10 09:13 PM.
Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
Hal Itosis #8544 02/22/10 09:39 PM
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ls -Orbitlake /Volumes

total 4
2 drwxrwxr-x 14 jonathanmchuzi staff - 544 Mar 18 2009 Time Machine HD
2 drwxr-xr-x 37 jonathanmchuzi staff - 1326 Jan 28 17:14 Storage HD
2 drwxrwxr-t 31 root admin - 1122 Feb 10 08:12 Backup HD
2 drwxrwxr-t 30 root admin - 1088 Feb 21 17:48 ..
7092757 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin - 1 Feb 22 16:25 SnowLeopard HD -> /
6041943 drwxrwxrwt@ 6 root admin hidden 204 Feb 22 16:29 .
0: group:everyone deny add_file,add_subdirectory,directory_inherit,only_inherit

find /var/db/receipts -name '*.bom' |
while read x; do if lsbom -p MUGsf "$x" |
grep '/Volumes$'; then echo "$x"; echo; fi; done


drwxrwxrwt root admin ./Volumes
/var/db/receipts/com.apple.pkg.BaseSystem.bom

find /var/db/receipts -name '*.plist' |
while read x; do defaults read "${x%%.plist}" |
grep '/Volumes$' && echo "$x"; done


Nothing happened with this one, Hal.


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Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
Hal Itosis #8545 02/22/10 10:58 PM
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ls -Orbitlake /Volumes

total 4
2 drwxrwxr-t 32 root admin - 1156 Nov 10 06:15 ..
4943721 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin - 1 Feb 22 14:38 Macintosh HD -> /
4304933 drwxrwxrwt@ 3 root admin hidden 102 Feb 22 14:39 .
0: group:everyone deny add_file,add_subdirectory,directory_inherit,only_inherit

find /var/db/receipts -name '*.bom' |
while read x; do if lsbom -p MUGsf "$x" |
grep '/Volumes$'; then echo "$x"; echo; fi; done

drwxrwxrwt root admin ./Volumes
/var/db/receipts/com.apple.pkg.BaseSystem.bom

find /var/db/receipts -name '*.plist' |
while read x; do defaults read "${x%%.plist}" |
grep '/Volumes$' && echo "$x"; done

...yields a return to the command line without any additional information....


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Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
jchuzi #8546 02/22/10 11:08 PM
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Outstanding!

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
ls -Orbitlake /Volumes
6041943 drwxrwxrwt@ 6 root admin hidden 204 Feb 22 16:29 .
0: group:everyone deny add_file,add_subdirectory,directory_inherit,only_inherit

What a strange ACL! I need to figure out if Apple put that there, or if some 3rd-party program does.

--> Have you got some specialized backup software related to some disk storage you bought... or are you just doing basic Time Machine plus SuperDuper? <--


Originally Posted By: jchuzi
find /var/db/receipts -name '*.bom' |
while read x; do if lsbom -p MUGsf "$x" |
grep '/Volumes$'; then echo "$x"; echo; fi; done


drwxrwxrwt root admin ./Volumes
/var/db/receipts/com.apple.pkg.BaseSystem.bom

Okay cool... now i need to figure out where Apple keeps the ACL info.
For 10.5 we could do this:

pkgutil -v --file-info /Volumes

...but i don't think 10.6 is updating things where pkgutil can read it anymore.


Originally Posted By: jchuzi
find /var/db/receipts -name '*.plist' |
while read x; do defaults read "${x%%.plist}" |
grep '/Volumes$' && echo "$x"; done


Nothing happened with this one, Hal.

Hmm. Interesting [not what i'd expect.]

Thanks Jon.

Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
MacManiac #8547 02/22/10 11:30 PM
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ls -Orbitlake /Volumes

total 4
2 drwxrwxr-t 32 root admin - 1156 Nov 10 06:15 ..
4943721 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin - 1 Feb 22 14:38 Macintosh HD -> /
4304933 drwxrwxrwt@ 3 root admin hidden 102 Feb 22 14:39 .
0: group:everyone deny add_file,add_subdirectory,directory_inherit,only_inherit

That clinches it... i guess Apple does put that there then.

Still wish i knew in which plist or db they store that info... so it could be verified.

Seems like a really odd thing to do... put an ACL with **inheritance** there that makes folders unwritable (except to root). Strange.

You don't have any fancy backup software program that came with a NAS, or something of that nature do you? [then again, any installer could have put that there. If it was Apple, it sure seems unnecessary (or some sort of mistake).]

Thanks Lee.

Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
Hal Itosis #8550 02/23/10 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted By: Hal Itosis
Have you got some specialized backup software related to some disk storage you bought... or are you just doing basic Time Machine plus SuperDuper?
I'm just using TM and SD, nothing else.


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Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
jchuzi #8552 02/23/10 06:08 AM
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Cheers, okay thanks.

How about anti-virus software then? idunno... it's such an odd ACL (especially the inheritance part). It does look like something Intego might do. I know... i'm going down to the Apple Store tomorrow and run some Terminal commands on one of the demo Macs there. Those oughta be virginal enough.

If it's an Apple ACL, i'd sure like someone to explain its purpose.

Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
Hal Itosis #8555 02/23/10 11:17 AM
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Interesting question about AV software. I have Intego VB 4 installed (it's a leftover from 10.5) but it doesn't work in 10.6. I have neither uninstalled it nor upgraded to VB 6, just left it alone, probably out of sheer laziness.


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Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
Hal Itosis #8561 02/23/10 06:27 PM
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not sure if you still want this, but here it is:

ls -Orbitlake /Volumes

total 4
2 drwxrwxr-t 34 root admin - 1224 Nov 9 22:06 ..
18101545 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin - 1 Feb 17 17:36 Macintosh HD -> /
16112489 drwxrwxrwt@ 3 root admin hidden 102 Feb 17 18:41 .
0: group:everyone deny add_file,add_subdirectory,directory_inherit,only_inherit


find /var/db/receipts -name '*.bom' |
> while read x; do if lsbom -p MUGsf "$x" |
> grep '/Volumes$'; then echo "$x"; echo; fi; done


drwxrwxrwt root admin ./Volumes
/var/db/receipts/com.apple.pkg.BaseSystem.bom


find /var/db/receipts -name '*.plist' |
> while read x; do defaults read "${x%%.plist}" |
> grep '/Volumes$' && echo "$x"; done


nothing.



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Re: First impressions of Snow Leopard 10.6.2
roger #8562 02/23/10 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: roger
not sure if you still want this, but here it is:

ls -Orbitlake /Volumes
total 4
2 drwxrwxr-t 34 root admin - 1224 Nov 9 22:06 ..
18101545 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin - 1 Feb 17 17:36 Macintosh HD -> /
16112489 drwxrwxrwt@ 3 root admin hidden 102 Feb 17 18:41 .
0: group:everyone deny add_file,add_subdirectory,directory_inherit,only_inherit

What in blazes does that ACL do?!?!

Seems like it might lock out regular users from accessing *folders* inside /Volumes, perhaps while a mount is in progress (transitioning from an empty directory to an alias), in which case the folder usually gets deleted once the alias is established. <sigh> idunno... it just has an aura of being a little too slick. It may prevent regular users from writing to failed mounts... but backup programs (which sometimes mistakenly write to real folders inside /Volumes) will often run with root privileges anyway, so...

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