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#7643 - 01/17/10 01:03 PM Incorporating Fonts
plantsower Offline


Registered: 09/13/09
Loc: Burson, CA
I hope I'm in the correct forum. Please move this if not. Thanks.

I recently noticed musical note fonts. So cute! While looking for them, I looked in my own font book under dingbats. Found some hearts, etc. How do I incorporate them and use them in my emails, etc?

I have Mail 2.1.3 I clicked on Edit and then special characters. It brought up the fonts, but I don't know how to incorporate them into my keyboard.

Thanks.


Edited by dianne (01/19/10 07:25 AM)
Edit Reason: moved from Mac OS X Applications to the Networking forum.
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#7644 - 01/17/10 01:44 PM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: plantsower]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Sounds like you want to use Character Palette. Read Mac OS 10.4, Typing special characters and symbols.
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#7654 - 01/17/10 03:40 PM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: plantsower]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
> It brought up the fonts, but I don't know how to incorporate them into my keyboard.

I don't think you can incorporate them into your keyboard, although I can't rule out the possibility that there's a 3rd party app that turns the trick; you enter them from Character Palette as you need them. (Saving the ones you like to "Favorites" makes life easier.)
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#7665 - 01/17/10 07:24 PM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: artie505]
plantsower Offline


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Thanks, guys!!! It took a little doing, but I figured out the character palette. I will keep some in my favorites. Keyboard would be easier but this is lots better than nothing. Thanks so much.

Rita
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#7674 - 01/17/10 10:57 PM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: plantsower]
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> Thanks so much.

Happy to be able to help. smile
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#7689 - 01/18/10 08:41 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: plantsower]
Ira L Online


Registered: 08/13/09
Loc: California
Be aware that, depending on the recipients' e-mail client/program, some of these special font symbols may not appear properly in the e-mails received by the people to whom you send them.
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#7692 - 01/18/10 09:12 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: Ira L]
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Thank you.

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#7697 - 01/18/10 11:14 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: Ira L]
plantsower Offline


Registered: 09/13/09
Loc: Burson, CA
Thanks for the heads up. I would never have thought of that. I will do some test emails with my friends. Also, to myself. wink
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#7712 - 01/18/10 11:10 PM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: Ira L]
plantsower Offline


Registered: 09/13/09
Loc: Burson, CA
Ira:

Boo-hoo. frown You were right. My sister has Gmail, and some of the dingbats looked like little squares (I send musical notes) and some showed nothing. Does it totally have to do with the email client or could it be because I have a Mac and she has a PC? I sent some from Mail and some from Yahoo Mail. Same result. Darn it!!

Rita


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#7717 - 01/19/10 12:04 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: plantsower]
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Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: London, UK
Print your email as a PDF, then send the PDF as an email attachment. The musical note font (which your sister will not have on her computer) will be embedded in the PDF and should display properly.
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#7726 - 01/19/10 07:11 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: plantsower]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Iowa
web browser mail (webmail) pretty much never supports unicode correctly
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#7738 - 01/19/10 10:58 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: plantsower]
Ira L Online


Registered: 08/13/09
Loc: California
Unfortunately the problem can be either or both: the e-mail client or the Mac/PC issue (and what the settings are on the PC).

For example, my e-mail client (PowerMail) is set to receive in plain text only. It gives me the options to view as "fancy" either in the message or in a web browser, and I can do either one on a mail by mail basis. There are some "special" symbols I will see in the e-mail, but the fancier stuff does appear as squares or some other weird symbol when set to plain text. This could probably segue into a discussion of plain text vs. HTML for e-mails, but let's not go there. crazy

The suggestion to send your text as a PDF attachment will certainly preserve your symbols and format but require the recipient to separately open the attachment. Then there are the people who won't accept any e-mails with attachments! tongue
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#7740 - 01/19/10 11:24 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: freelance]
plantsower Offline


Registered: 09/13/09
Loc: Burson, CA
I'm gonna try that. Thanks!! cool
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#7741 - 01/19/10 11:26 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: Ira L]
plantsower Offline


Registered: 09/13/09
Loc: Burson, CA
Hi Ira:

You just about covered it all and in a way I can understand. Thank you. I would think that my sis gets the fancy kind of email because she gets a lot of pics and sends them to me.

If the attachment comes from me (homemade pdf), I'm pretty sure she will open it. I do have relatives who are completely paranoid about attachments no matter who sends them, and I get that. Thanks again.
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#7765 - 01/20/10 10:01 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: plantsower]
Ira L Online


Registered: 08/13/09
Loc: California
The fact that your sister gets pictures does not necessarily mean her e-mails settings will allow her to see your fancy fonts. Pictures comes as attachments as a rule, which is independent of the capability to see special fonts in an e-mail.

Some e-mail applications, like Apple's Mail, can give you the ability to see pictures in the body of your e-mail and not as attachments, but again, that can be separate from seeing fancy fonts.

Thanks and good luck! smirk
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#7777 - 01/20/10 09:20 PM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: Ira L]
plantsower Offline


Registered: 09/13/09
Loc: Burson, CA
Oh, got it. Thanks. BTW, I sent it in PDF format as an attachment, and she still didn't see my music notes. Grrrr!
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#7792 - 01/21/10 11:23 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: plantsower]
Ira L Online


Registered: 08/13/09
Loc: California
Now that is strange since PDF format tends to "freeze" the document. It creates something like an editable snapshot (editable only with other software that can work with PDFs).

Try this:
1.) create your document with your music notes, etc.
2.) save it as a PDF; on a Mac usually done by pretending you are going to print the document ("Print...") and then selecting "Save as PDF" from the PDF options (where these options are depends on what version of OS X you are using, but they are in the Print dialog window. Your creation software may also be able to "Export..." or "Share..." as a PDF.
3.) open the PDF on your own Mac to see how it looks (most likely Apple's Preview or Adobe Reader will be the software that it opens with)
4.) if everything looks OK, send it to your sister, but make sure the document to her ends in ".pdf" (no quotes) before sending it as an attachment

This may be what you have already done, but it should work, and I say this because my sister sends me "weird" e-mails, most of which I never can read and I have gotten her to use this process. smirk
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#7793 - 01/21/10 11:52 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: Ira L]
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Registered: 08/04/09

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Now that is strange since PDF format tends to "freeze" the document.

I know next to nothing about the mysteries of PDF creation, but it's my understanding that fonts are not always embedded in a text-based PDF. Perhaps OS X's Print to PDF function doesn't embed them?
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#7795 - 01/21/10 12:44 PM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: Ira L]
plantsower Offline


Registered: 09/13/09
Loc: Burson, CA
Hi Ira:

Yes, that's exactly what I did, and it didn't work. Maybe DK is right, it may not be imbedded? Rita
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#7806 - 01/21/10 08:07 PM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: plantsower]
Hal Itosis Offline


Registered: 09/03/09
Loc: 10.6.8 (build 10K549)
Seems to me the simple solution is to embed a graphic into the email. Use command-shift-4 to take a partial screenshot... perhaps use Preview to further crop and convert to jpeg format [which reduces the size compared to png format]... and then just drag-n-drop that file into the email message.

No "fonts" needed on the receiving end (merely the ability to view graphics inside an email... which i believe you said her computer has).

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#7824 - 01/22/10 11:25 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: Hal Itosis]
plantsower Offline


Registered: 09/13/09
Loc: Burson, CA
Thank you for that. I am sure you may be right. It's just a little more work than I wanted to put into it. Just wanted to add a little smilie face or musical note without going through a bunch of steps. It's not that important. Thanks for the info, though.

Rita
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#7825 - 01/22/10 11:28 AM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: Virtual1]
plantsower Offline


Registered: 09/13/09
Loc: Burson, CA
I didn't know that. Thanks.
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#7840 - 01/22/10 05:37 PM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: dkmarsh]
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Registered: 08/03/09
Loc: Portland, Oregon, USA
Originally Posted By: dkmarsh

I know next to nothing about the mysteries of PDF creation, but it's my understanding that fonts are not always embedded in a text-based PDF. Perhaps OS X's Print to PDF function doesn't embed them?


Your understanding is right on the money.

Furthermore, fonts can contain "permission bits" that are set by the creator of the font, which control whether or not the font's creator wants them to be embedded in a PDF. Most PDF creation software respects these permission bits. If a font has the "do not embed" permission bit set, OS X will not embed the font into a PDF.

I've noticed that it is usually exotic fonts, such as symbol fonts (and yes, musical note fonts) which have the "do not embed" flag set by the typeface creator.
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#7848 - 01/22/10 08:26 PM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: tacit]
plantsower Offline


Registered: 09/13/09
Loc: Burson, CA
Why would a font creator do that? confused


Originally Posted By: tacit
Originally Posted By: dkmarsh

I know next to nothing about the mysteries of PDF creation, but it's my understanding that fonts are not always embedded in a text-based PDF. Perhaps OS X's Print to PDF function doesn't embed them?


Your understanding is right on the money.

Furthermore, fonts can contain "permission bits" that are set by the creator of the font, which control whether or not the font's creator wants them to be embedded in a PDF. Most PDF creation software respects these permission bits. If a font has the "do not embed" permission bit set, OS X will not embed the font into a PDF.

I've noticed that it is usually exotic fonts, such as symbol fonts (and yes, musical note fonts) which have the "do not embed" flag set by the typeface creator.
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#7849 - 01/22/10 08:57 PM Re: Incorporating Fonts [Re: plantsower]
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Loc: Portland, Oregon, USA
Fonts are protected by copyright law. There has been quite a bit of tussling in the professional design and print community about whether or not it's OK to give copies of a font to someone else who works on a document--for example, if I buy a font as a designer, and use it to create an annual report, is it OK for me to give a copy of it to the printer so that he can print it? If the answer is "yes," does that also mean it's OK for me to give the printer a copy of QuarkXPress so he can print my job? (Font collections can cost thousands of dollars--far more than the cost of programs to do page layout.)

The advent of PDF has really muddied the issue In the past, designers, pre-press houses, print shops, service bureaus, and other companies have legally been responsible for buying copies of the fonts they use, even if many people do illegally swap fonts around without a second thought. Companies that use illegally copied fonts can and have been sued.

But with PDF files, I as a designer can buy a font, then create a press-ready PDF with embedded fonts for the service bureau or printer--and the font maker doesn't need to buy the font as well, because it's embedded within the PDF.

So the font creator potentially loses a sale. Print shops and service bureaus spend a LOT of money on fonts (at the time I was doing prepress work professionally, the company I worked for had spent approximately $17,000 on fonts alone).

Some companies, like Adobe, allow their fonts to be embedded in a PDF and don't mind taking the potential hit. The service bureaus and print shops likely buy their fonts anyway, because they don't work only with PDF files, and need to be able to accept source files as well.

But the makers of exotic fonts, particularly small font shops that don't offer ten-thousand-dollar font libraries and don't sell to hundreds of thousands of customers--feel the pinch more strongly. If you sell perhaps a hundred copies of a font a year, every lost sale hurts. You might not want to allow embedding your fonts in a PDF because you might want the print shop or service bureau to buy a copy of your font.

In my experience, the fonts that have the permission bits set to prohibit embedding are invariably exotic or special-purpose fonts sold by tiny companies that you've probably never heard of. These companies can't afford to lose even small numbers of potential sales, and typically are only barely surviving financially.
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