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#6271 - 12/02/09 11:51 AM I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with it
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Registered: 08/16/09
Loc: UK
Yesterday I solved the printing problem (detailed elsewhere here) by sourcing and buying an identical Brother printer which I installed this morning. All four Macs here print on it, as I anticipated.

However, while telling all four Macs to go+find the new printer driver (an unexpected and pesky task), I had a BLOOD RUNS COLD scenario. My trusty old G4 when switched on, displayed the Question Mark instead of booting up. Couldn't find a bootable disk. OH MY GAHHHHDD!

Keeping calm, I found the System Restore CD and booted off that, then did Repair Disk utility on the hard drive. Nothing reported, and it booted back again as usual.

Phew. A few more grey hairs.

Here's my idea and I can't see much wrong with it.

To my amazement there are loads of folks selling PowerPC G4s on e-Bay, because they've upgraded to Intel Macs. I've just bid a tiny amount for one in good operating condition and he'll post it (some sellers say collect-only). This one is more recent than mine, I can tell from the spec.

Plan is, I get all my files off my trustyG4 and put them on the e-Bay one. Then I have a FireWire port to make a bootable backup hard disk. (To my astonishment, my current trustyG4 is so old that is has no FireWire port and I know that Macs cannot boot off a USB external hard disk.......)

IF it don't work, I've only spent that tiny amount. If it don't work, there are other good-condition PowerPC G4s out there.

Wish me luck!

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#6295 - 12/02/09 07:28 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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Originally Posted By: Bensheim
I know that Macs cannot boot off a USB external hard disk

Minor correction/clarification to prevent confusion. Macs with a Power PC processor (G3, G4, G5) cannot boot from a USB connected drive. Macs with Intel processors can boot from either Firewire or USB connected drives.

That said your plan should work, but I would want a return guarantee in case the used G4 arrived dead on arrival. I would also insist that it include the original set of install CDs/DVD that came with the computer. No matter how small the price if you do not get the original install discs it is not worth the price. Remember too that if you intend to upgrade to a more recent version of OS X, unless you have a "family pack" license installing another copy of OS X from another Mac you are still using — if it will install at all — is a violation of Apple's software license agreement and therefore illegal.
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#6304 - 12/03/09 02:04 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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> My trusty old G4 when switched on, displayed the Question Mark instead of booting up. Couldn't find a bootable disk. OH MY GAHHHHDD!

Have you checked /Apps/SysPrefs>Startup Disk to be certain that the correct volume is selected?

(If you do buy that new G4, be certain to take joemike's advice.)
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#6331 - 12/03/09 11:55 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: joemikeb]
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Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: joemikeb

That said your plan should work, but I would want a return guarantee in case the used G4 arrived dead on arrival. I would also insist that it include the original set of install CDs/DVD that came with the computer. No matter how small the price if you do not get the original install discs it is not worth the price.


Why not? Assuming it works as promised: if it is dead on arrival I'll get my money back: that's the deal with eBay and Pay-Pal, it says on both their sites.

Why are the original instal disks so vital? Are you saying that it will only re-instal from them and no other System Restore disks? If that's the case why are OS Systems downloadable from Apple?

I'm up for this. I have all the installation CDs for all the softwares I'm using. I have System disks for both OS9 and OSX Tiger. I can copy all my files to another Mac and copy them back when the "new" e-Bay computer arrives, should I win the auction.



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Remember too that if you intend to upgrade to a more recent version of OS X, unless you have a "family pack" license installing another copy of OS X from another Mac you are still using — if it will install at all — is a violation of Apple's software license agreement and therefore illegal.


I won't be using OSX on that computer but it comes with it anyway. I've chosen an AppleMac G4 M/Door1Ghz/500mb, DVD/USB/Ethernet/Firewire from e-Bay which is specifically bootable to OS9 and OSx.

I hope it all works as I plan. The trusty-G4* has no FireWire, no CD write (only read), and a HUGE crt monitor. I'm now also planning to buy a flat screen just like the other G4 on the other desk.

License violation? Yes I've got a family pack but even if I didn't what are they going to do? Come round here and rip it out?

Edited to add: when I say "The trusty-G4" I mean the OLD one on my other desk, the one which I'm planning to replace. I do not mean the one I'm planning to buy. I call it "The trusty-G4" because it's been SUCH a workhorse down the years and has hardly ever given me any problems and when it did, they were fixable. Good ol' trusty.


Edited by Bensheim (12/03/09 12:02 PM)

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#6337 - 12/03/09 03:31 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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Originally Posted By: Bensheim
Why are the original instal disks so vital? Are you saying that it will only re-instal from them and no other System Restore disks? If that's the case why are OS Systems downloadable from Apple?
The original install discs are important in the even you ever need to do any serious troubleshooting. They, and only they, will have the Apple Hardware Test suite that is appropriate for the computer you are buying. Even more pertinent in your case virtually all G4s that will run OS 9 will only install and run the specific OS 9 that came on the original install discs that were shipped with the G4 from the factory. So if you ever have to reinstall OS 9 and do not have the original install discs — you are toast. crazy

Sadly it has all too often been the case on machines purchased on eBay that any discs provided are not compatible with the machine they are bundled with to the chagrin and often deep regret of the purchaser. There were any number of such cases reported on MFIF and as I recall there have been a few reported on FTM as well.

FYI, there are no legal copies of any Apple OS available for download on the internet and never have been. The only legal OS downloads are upDATEs that require the original version or a previous update to already be installed. In other words if you have installed OS X 10.4 from a CD you can download and install OS X 10.4.1, 10.4.2, 10.4.3, etc. but you cannot download and install an OS X 10.5 upGRADE. For that you need to purchase a retail copy of OS X 10.5.
Originally Posted By: Bensheim
Yes I've got a family pack but even if I didn't what are they going to do? Come round here and rip it out?
So far Apple has always relied on the honesty and integrity of their users to enforce their licensing agreements. However, I am quite confident that if enough people choose to steal Apple software they will resort to more draconian measures which will inevitably make life more difficult for every Mac user. Just so you know, discussion and/or requests for help where pirated or illegal software is involved can result in the thread being removed from Fine Tuned Mac and in extreme cases the suspension or even banning of the member.
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#6347 - 12/04/09 01:01 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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> Assuming it works as promised: if it is dead on arrival I'll get my money back: that's the deal with eBay and Pay-Pal, it says on both their sites.

I wonder if that includes instances in which the seller's terms are "As is; no returns."

Edit: Did you check /Apps/SysPrefs>Startup Disk?



Edited by artie505 (12/04/09 01:23 AM)
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#6348 - 12/04/09 01:22 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: joemikeb]
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> They, and only they, will have the Apple Hardware Test suite that is appropriate for the computer you are buying.

Apple has posted "Apple Hardware Test Images and Information" for various older Macs here, and I believe Bensheim's MDD G4 is one of them.

(In offering the same AHT image for multiple Macs the article apparently puts to rest, to a degree, at least, the belief that AHT discs are unique to the Macs with which they ship.)

In a different vein, you forgot to mention that original discs include bundled software that will be lost in the event a reinstallation with retail discs becomes necessary.
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#6351 - 12/04/09 04:38 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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I've chosen an AppleMac G4 M/Door1Ghz/500mb, DVD/USB/Ethernet/Firewire...
I do hope this is a dual processor G4 1GHz MDD. There was a single proc 1 GHz MDD, but that was a FireWire800 model which would not directly boot OS9 (only Classic via OSX).

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#6354 - 12/04/09 09:43 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: _Mike_]
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Registered: 08/16/09
Loc: UK
Well, this is fun and it sure takes my mind off other real-life stuff. I'm spending hours of research, reading technical specifications for different desktops, reading page after page on this site:

http://www.everymac.com/

which is highly recommended. It's like a DIY: The History of the Desktop Mac from 1990 onwards. I am learning so much!

In reverse: Mike, thanks for the heads-up. The e-bay one is a single processor MDD. However since the vendor did not set a reserve price and there are so few bids so far, I might end up having to buy it (e-Bay regulations) for only £12. TWELVE POUNDS! Blimey, even if it and I are toast, that's only £12 lost. Also, Mike, thanks, the other one I've got my eye on, on Amazon, is identical but with a 1-year warranty. I didn't buy that one but nearly did before you alerted me. That was close.........

In my researches for ~3 hours this afternoon I've come across a good-looking refurb with dual processors, then some 6th sense made me Google the reselling company. What a good job I did that too! There's a 5-page thread on another Mac forum (75 posts) trying to warn the world that that company are rip-off sharks selling stolen goods and illegally copied software. That was close, too.......

Artie, re: Did you check /Apps/SysPrefs>Startup Disk?

Uh? Wrong thread?

Joe, in 15 years in this job on many different Macs, I have never once had to do a Hardware Test Suite test. I have also never once had to reinstal an operating system. Not once. With all due respect, which is considerable, I can't help wondering if some people are too afraid/doomy/negative about what might possibly happen? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a dippy air-head Pollyanna type. I am very respectful to these Macs and treat them kindly and do my back-ups......

Yes, of course, you're right about downloading upgrades. I'd forgotten that bit. Sorry!

As to the rest of your post, did you mean to come across as threatening - as a Mod? It looks like a veiled threat to ban me which seems very odd, frankly. Especially since this forum is so quiet, and I contribute so many new threads all of which get responses. The world is full of Mac-support forums, Joe, and this is not the only one I use. It looks as though I irritated you or hit a sore point. confused

On with the research, I've now found a company only 100 miles away which specialises in refurb Macs. They offer back-to-base warranties on their goods so I've emailed them about a G4 for sale on their website. And if they also turn out to be duds (i.e., answer unsatisfactorily or not at all), that doesn't matter much either. I have a Plan B.

Last point: if I lived in the USA this would all be so much easier. There are dozens of companies, hundreds maybe, selling refurb desktops to my exact specifications. But yet again some 6th sense tells me not to buy an American one....I bet the power supply is different or something fundamental like that. wink




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#6363 - 12/04/09 12:54 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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> Artie, re: Did you check /Apps/SysPrefs>Startup Disk?

Uh? Wrong thread?


I posed that question in post #6304, the second response to your original post in this thread.

"My trusty old G4 when switched on, displayed the Question Mark instead of booting up. Couldn't find a bootable disk" is a classic description of what happens when you start up a Mac that does not have a disk selected in /Apps/SysPrefs>Startup Disk and is not at all necessarily indicative of your Mac being dead, terminal, or even ill.

> Joe, in 15 years in this job on many different Macs, I have never once had to do a Hardware Test Suite test. I have also never once had to reinstal an operating system. Not once. With all due respect, which is considerable, I can't help wondering if some people are too afraid/doomy/negative about what might possibly happen?

Interesting point of view considering your opinion of insurance as expressed in "Financial surveys: a rant," i.e. "Regarding 'something you did not anticipate reaching out to bite you when you least expect it and probably when you can least afford it' that's precisely what Insurance is for, isn't it? We've got insurance policies for everything [....]" (And "The entire insurance industry is predicated on fear. They make people afraid of what-ifs.")

I, too, hate insurance and the fact that so much of our world is based on "What ifs," but you're disdaining free insurance, i.e. the discs joemike mentioned, because you've never needed it in the past, and that strikes me as foolhardy.


Edited by artie505 (12/04/09 02:37 PM)
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#6390 - 12/05/09 07:26 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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As to the rest of your post, did you mean to come across as threatening - as a Mod? It looks like a veiled threat to ban me which seems very odd, frankly. Especially since this forum is so quiet, and I contribute so many new threads all of which get responses. The world is full of Mac-support forums, Joe, and this is not the only one I use. It looks as though I irritated you or hit a sore point.
Since lots of lurkers may be reading this thread at one time or another, and the issue of licensing had come up, my comment was intended as a heads up for any and all readers of the thread and not a threat, veiled or otherwise. Frankly I long ago lost count of how many times on MFIF and now FTM I have made a similar comment in a thread. My apologies if you took it personally.

FWIW, I had one of the dual processor MDDs and it was a nice machine, really fast in its day but almost painfully slow by today's standards. It was the first Mac that would only boot or run the very specific version of OS 9 that came on the original install discs and that version of OS 9 would not run on anything other than the dual processor MDD. There were two power supplies for that model, the first was so noisy Apple released a free, user installed, replacement. The replacement power supply had a lower amperage rating but as I recall it was self adjusting for 50~ or 60~ and 120v or 240v so it could be used in Europe or the states.

Good luck finding what you are looking for.
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#6422 - 12/06/09 10:57 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: joemikeb]
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It is with great relief that I tell you that I was outbid on e-Bay. Extensive research confirmed that I didn't want that G4 because of its limitations and I was wondering what to do next if I had won the auction. Fortunately I had had prior contact with the seller by email, so was able to contact him directly. He is a really NICE person, very friendly and polite. And now someone else has bought it so no doubt he's happy.

I have now bought a much better spec tower G4 from Amazon, and have had email contact with that seller too. He also seems a very nice, friendly, person. This G4 will boot off OS9 and run OSX, has a 1-year warranty and has passed all Apple Diagnostics before going on sale. I'm so glad I'm not the only person in the Mac Universe who still wants OS9! There are lots of us around to run treasured applications - mostly designers, apparently.

Over the weekend this need to replace Trusty-G4 has become more pressing. Yesterday upon start-up I got the question mark again. Second time in a week. I got it to boot successfully by inserting the System Recovery bootable disk, wait patiently, and then select Shut Down. The second start-up from the power button worked. I have therefore decided to leave it on from now on. As someone once said "things fail when you switch them off and on again" so it's going to stay on until the new computer arrives. The monitor's switched off when I'm not using it. I have also researched this - leaving a computer on 24/7 - on the internet and can't see a potential problem: it's in an unheated room, by a window, so there won't be an overheating problem. It doesn't run any scripts overnight. However, I'd like to hear if anyone else leaves their Mac on all the time, please?

Another question: How easy is it to replace a Mac internal CD/DVD drive? The one in the other office G4 will no longer write. It will read, but with difficulty. Looks like a hardware problem because of the clunking noises.

Is this something I can do myself? I've researched that too, and it involves opening the case and dismantling the drive up there on the tower.....this scares me somewhat.

Many thanks

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#6424 - 12/06/09 01:04 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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If there's some particular reason for your having ignored this exchange I'd love to know what it is; perhaps I'll learn something.

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> Artie, re: Did you check /Apps/SysPrefs>Startup Disk?

Uh? Wrong thread?

I posed that question in post #6304, the second response to your original post in this thread.

"My trusty old G4 when switched on, displayed the Question Mark instead of booting up. Couldn't find a bootable disk" is a classic description of what happens when you start up a Mac that does not have a disk selected in /Apps/SysPrefs>Startup Disk and is not at all necessarily indicative of your Mac being dead, terminal, or even ill.

Thanks.
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#6426 - 12/06/09 01:55 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: artie505]
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Hallo Artie

Because the Trusty-G4 only has one disk. Yes I did check SysPrefs/Startup Disk after the last ?

It was already selected.

Am I missing something here? Sorry.

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#6429 - 12/06/09 03:36 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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Originally Posted By: Bensheim
Because the Trusty-G4 only has one disk. Yes I did check SysPrefs/Startup Disk after the last ?

It was already selected.

Am I missing something here? Sorry.

The fact that the G4 has only one disk does not mean that it cannot become unselected, but the fact that you're seeing the question mark while it is selected means that that is not your issue. (Edit: By the way... Everybody has at least two options in /Apps/SysPrefs/Startup Disk, their HD being one and "Network Startup" being the other.)

(You're not missing anything other than the understanding that I [Edit: sometimes] have no way of translating silence into English.)


Edited by artie505 (12/06/09 04:39 PM)
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#6435 - 12/06/09 06:55 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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Originally Posted By: Bensheim
Hallo Artie

Because the Trusty-G4 only has one disk. Yes I did check SysPrefs/Startup Disk after the last ?

It was already selected.

Am I missing something here? Sorry.


Sometimes, a computer may refuse to start up if the Startup Disk selection becomes garbled. This can happen for many reasons--if the backup battery dies, if the computer's PRAM is cleared, or (as near as I can tell) if the phase of the moon is wrong.

Usually, if this information becomes garbled, the computer will simply take a longer than normal time to start up, but sometimes it will refuse to start up altogether. So checking the Startup Disk setting is a good first step in troubleshooting a computer that refuses to boot, even if the computer only has one disk.
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#6446 - 12/07/09 08:28 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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Originally Posted By: Bensheim
Another question: How easy is it to replace a Mac internal CD/DVD drive? The one in the other office G4 will no longer write. It will read, but with difficulty. Looks like a hardware problem because of the clunking noises.

Is this something I can do myself? I've researched that too, and it involves opening the case and dismantling the drive up there on the tower.....this scares me somewhat.

Only you can be the judge of your comfort level when rummaging around inside the chassis of your Mac, but replacing, or adding a hard drive or optical drive in a tower model is pretty simple and generally only requires one tool, a phillips (cross) screwdriver and depending on the model maybe not event that. I also use a grounding strap to prevent inadvertent damage to sensitive components from static electricity, but I am probably in the minority there. Pictorial instructions can usually be found in the owners manual that came with the Mac or you can download the manual here.

I have replaced several drives over the years and the only ill effects suffered by me or the computer is the occasional skinned knuckle from working in tight quarters with lots of sharp metal edges around. In my experience the most difficult part of the operation is often unplugging the ATA ribbon cable and the power connector on the old drive. Those are generally tight fitting connections and, with my big hands and fat fingers, difficult to get a firm grip on.
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#6452 - 12/07/09 12:44 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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You may be able to download a video showing installation of an optical drive by going here and selecting the particular G4 model that you have. As Joe said, the hardest part can be removing the cables, particularly the power cable, in my experience. If you can't get it free by hand, take pliers, grip the sides of the connector (NOT THE WIRES!) and wiggle it gently from side to side. That worked for me.

Putting everything back is much easier, luckily.
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#6497 - 12/08/09 09:57 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: jchuzi]
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I thank you ALL for your responses, which are so much appreciated. TBH I sometimes feel kinda lonely here with the full weight of tech-support on my shoulders. I shouldn't feel that way because (a) I have been using Macs since 1986 and have installed and converted up and up through the range ever since; and (b) there is masses of help available, now, on the internet. The lonely feeling derives from being the only one here with that background and I used to work in a big IT department with other shoulders to lean on, PLUS in those days, they weren't my computers, I could go home at the end of the day and leave things to someone else!

Anyway. We've had a Big Discussion here and decided to replace both old trusty-G4s. They work, they're in full production, but parts of them are no longer reliable (power-on on one, disk burning on another) which makes me very uneasy and adds to the stress which is inherent in running a DTP business.

I have done HOURS of research and do not make buying decisions lightly! I've now bought a G4 MDD dual processor tower from Amazon, which should arrive by the end of the week. The specification is as high as I can achieve for what I want, which is booting into OS9 for those applications for that job in this office. I've got a retail OS9 on its way in the post and also have a version of Norton (never used) which will work on OS9 and OSX for disk recovery/maintenance.

The other trusty-G4, I've sourced and bought an iMac G4 (the one which looks like a desk lamp) which will come in original box with all original parts and original System Disks. I've got Disk Warrior for OSX (also never used).

While you're there, thank you for reading my posts and treating me decently. If you didn't, I would have left by now. Why do I mention this? Shouldn't anyone on a forum like this expect to be treated decently? Well, I dipped a toe into the e-Bay "community" forum and asked a question about computers being sold without their system disks (prompted by responses here). The response was so hostile that it made me blink. After a few hours I replied calmly that I have been using computers for YEARS and do my research and know what I'm looking for, adding that a hostile response to an e-Bay newbie was unwelcoming.

The next response was so ad hominem that I goggled at the screen. The person said that "I did not know what I was doing, had no idea about computers, should get some proper IT support, and should not be going onto eBay and 'buying things at random' ". So I did the only thing possible there. I hit the Report button and left.

PayPal's driving me round the twist too, but that's another topic.


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#6501 - 12/08/09 11:28 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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I've got a retail OS9 on its way in the post and also have a version of Norton (never used) which will work on OS9 and OSX for disk recovery/maintenance.
Norton should be fine for OS9 but it's poison in OSX. Stick with Disk Warrior and be sure that your version is compatible with the version of OSX that you will be using.
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#6502 - 12/08/09 11:34 AM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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I've got a retail OS9 on its way in the post and also have a version of Norton (never used) which will work on OS9 and OSX for disk recovery/maintenance.

A retail copy of OS 9 will not boot a G4 MDD dual processor model. I had a G4 MDD dual processor model and can personally vouch for the fact it will only boot from the version of OS 9 on the install discs that came in the box with the G4 MDD. G4s prior to the MDD would boot the retail version of OS 9, but beginning with the MDD model each required the specific OS 9 version that was on the install discs for each particular model until Macs would not boot OS 9 at all.

I second Jon's comment about using Norton Utilities. Using the version that will run on OS 9 on a Mac using OS X is definitely not recommended. Norton of that vintage was infamous for doing more harm than good. Later OS X versions of Norton were not much if any better until Symantec finally withdrew Norton Utilities for Macintosh altogether. If you plan to use NUM, I would suggest that you not install OS X on your G4 MDD and run only OS 9, assuming you have a version of OS 9 that will boot your MDD.


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#6517 - 12/08/09 10:57 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: joemikeb]
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> A retail copy of OS 9 will not boot a G4 MDD dual processor model.

...as you've already stated in your post #6390 in this thread.

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FWIW, I had one of the dual processor MDDs [....] It was the first Mac that would only boot or run the very specific version of OS 9 that came on the original install discs [....]
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#6540 - 12/09/09 02:08 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: artie505]
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Registered: 08/16/09
Loc: UK
No one has answered this question:

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I have therefore decided to leave it on from now on. As someone once said "things fail when you switch them off and on again" so it's going to stay on until the new computer arrives. The monitor's switched off when I'm not using it. I have also researched this - leaving a computer on 24/7 - on the internet and can't see a potential problem: it's in an unheated room, by a window, so there won't be an overheating problem. It doesn't run any scripts overnight. However, I'd like to hear if anyone else leaves their Mac on all the time, please?


I posted that on Sunday and it has not been switched off since then. Some days, like today, I do not need that Mac, so I don't even switch the monitor on.

Does anyone else here leave their Mac on 24/7? Thanks.

WRT the computers awaiting delivery, I'll let you know how I got on when they arrive. smile

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#6541 - 12/09/09 02:20 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
roger Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Vermont
Originally Posted By: Bensheim
Does anyone else here leave their Mac on 24/7? Thanks.


I do. unless I'll be away from it for more than a day.

but them I'll usually take it with me. smile
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#6543 - 12/09/09 03:37 PM Re: I've had an idea and can't see much wrong with [Re: Bensheim]
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Registered: 08/04/09
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My Macs are turned on the day they are installed and only turned off when necessary for a specific maintenance procedure/routine or when they are transferred to other locations. I also have my system set to not sleep.
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