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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
plantsower #62855 11/24/22 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by plantsower
Oh no. This is what I am calling the SD card because it is so big. Flash drive not SD card But now it's saying flash drive. I give up. Maybe just a USB C thingy.
First off, these are the specs of the flash drive to which you just linked: Weight ‎0.112 ounces/Dimensions ‎0.9 x 0.7 x 0.3 inches, i.e., it's not very big at all.

This is the SD card to which joemike linked.

You don't want to go with USB C, because it may not be compatible with your Thunderbolt 3.

Your options are SD card, flash drive, or (EXPENSIVE) SSD.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
plantsower #62856 11/24/22 09:08 PM
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Which means they are taking away yet another useful item, right.

More like they are taking away a device that has outlived its usefulness. Given the market's demand for ever thinner, lighter laptops with ever bigger batteries (a.k.a. longer battery life) and something had to go. The SD card was initially developed for use in digital cameras where they continue to dominate because of its form factor, but are rapidly being replaced by significantly smaller, micro SD cards with the same storage capacity. SD slots were included on laptops and other computers as a means of transferring images from cameras to computers, but Bluetooth has largely supplanted that use and SD cards, arguably the slowest and least reliable available option, are the logical thing to leave out. My 2022 Apple Studio still has an SD slot, although it is never used. Instead, I find it more convenient to use a USB stick that reads both SD and micro SD cards and has both Type A and Type C connectors, and works on all my devices.

That said, your decision to use the SD card slot should work well.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
joemikeb #62857 11/24/22 11:12 PM
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...SD cards, arguably the slowest and least reliable available option, are the logical thing to leave out.
Features have been disappearing pretty much in size order, with"enormous" disc drives going first, followed by "too fat" ethernet ports, and logically followed by SD card readers.

And that's it! We're down to 4 USB C ports with the only remaining option being two USB C ports and a hub.

More: Thanks for linking to the card reader thingy you use. I wasn't aware that such a thing existed.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
artie505 #62859 11/25/22 01:46 AM
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OK, so now I am so confused I want to forget it. Which device goes into the large slot next to my HDMI slot? That's what I want to buy because it's the onyx freed up slot at all times.



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Oh no. This is what I am calling the SD card because it is so big. Flash drive not SD card But now it's saying flash drive. I give up. Maybe just a USB C thingy.
First off, these are the specs of the flash drive to which you just linked: Weight ‎0.112 ounces/Dimensions ‎0.9 x 0.7 x 0.3 inches, i.e., it's not very big at all.

This is the SD card to which joemike linked.

You don't want to go with USB C, because it may not be compatible with your Thunderbolt 3.

Your options are SD card, flash drive, or (EXPENSIVE) SSD.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
plantsower #62860 11/25/22 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by plantsower
OK, so now I am so confused I want to forget it. Which device goes into the large slot next to my HDMI slot? That's what I want to buy because it's the onyx freed up slot at all times.
This is the SD card to which joemike linked. ("This" is a link.)

And bear in mind that because of the size of your internal drive, you don't need 256 GB. 128 GB will suffice (unless you want to use the card for data storage as well as backup).


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
artie505 #62861 11/25/22 03:11 AM
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OK, sorry to sound so redundant, but the SD card goes next to the HDMI port, right? If that's right, where would the flash drive go? Yes, I thought about not getting the 256 because I don't plan on storing anything else. If I decide to, I guess I could get another SD card.

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OK, so now I am so confused I want to forget it. Which device goes into the large slot next to my HDMI slot? That's what I want to buy because it's the onyx freed up slot at all times.
This is the SD card to which joemike linked. ("This" is a link.)

And bear in mind that because of the size of your internal drive, you don't need 256 GB. 128 GB will suffice (unless you want to use the card for data storage as well as backup).


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
plantsower #62862 11/25/22 03:32 AM
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OK, sorry to sound so redundant, but the SD card goes next to the HDMI port, right? If that's right, where would the flash drive go? Yes, I thought about not getting the 256 because I don't plan on storing anything else. If I decide to, I guess I could get another SD card.
Yes, the SD card goes in the slot next to the HDMI port, i.e., the one marked SDXC card slot in your pic.

A USB flash drive would go either directly into a USB port or into a Thunderbolt port via an adapter.

You've still got your WD My Passport for data, but the easiest setup would be a 256 GB SD card that can just sit in its slot forever...never need to be swapped out...never risk being misplaced.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
artie505 #62863 11/25/22 04:24 AM
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Thanks for clarifying. The SD sounds the best. I'll be back if I get one and then can't figure out how to use SuperDuper with it. Probably easy, but you know me.




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OK, sorry to sound so redundant, but the SD card goes next to the HDMI port, right? If that's right, where would the flash drive go? Yes, I thought about not getting the 256 because I don't plan on storing anything else. If I decide to, I guess I could get another SD card.
Yes, the SD card goes in the slot next to the HDMI port, i.e., the one marked SDXC card slot in your pic.

A USB flash drive would go either directly into a USB port or into a Thunderbolt port via an adapter.

You've still got your WD My Passport for data, but the easiest setup would be a 256 GB SD card that can just sit in its slot forever...never need to be swapped out...never risk being misplaced.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
plantsower #62864 11/25/22 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by plantsower
Thanks for clarifying. The SD sounds the best. I'll be back if I get one and then can't figure out how to use SuperDuper with it. Probably easy, but you know me.
Chances are you'll have to reformat the card before SD! can deal with it.

It needs to be formatted "GUID Partition Map," and if it isn't, select the top line, hit "Erase," and select it from the pop-up. (You can also name the card in the same pop-up.)

Once that's done, SD! should offer it to you as a destination and from there you can set your schedule.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
artie505 #62865 11/25/22 05:22 PM
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Unless S/D is intuitive about it like it was the other day when it gave me a choice to push a button to change the format to ..... Can't remember the initials. Anyway, I copied and pasted your directions for future use. I ordered the SD card last night. Now I need to purchase S/D for I can have automatic scheduling for backup.


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Thanks for clarifying. The SD sounds the best. I'll be back if I get one and then can't figure out how to use SuperDuper with it. Probably easy, but you know me.
Chances are you'll have to reformat the card before SD! can deal with it.

It needs to be formatted "GUID Partition Map," and if it isn't, select the top line, hit "Erase," and select it from the pop-up. (You can also name the card in the same pop-up.)

Once that's done, SD! should offer it to you as a destination and from there you can set your schedule.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
plantsower #62866 11/25/22 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by plantsower
Unless S/D is intuitive about it like it was the other day when it gave me a choice to push a button to change the format to ..... Can't remember the initials.
That's a good question.

It'll be interesting to see if SD! can recognize and correct a disk that's not formatted for Mac in addition to recognizing and reformatting one that is formatted for Mac, but incorrectly. (If, in fact, your SD card really isn't formatted for Mac.)

Please post screenshots of any pertinent pop-ups.


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plantsower #62867 11/25/22 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by plantsower
Unless S/D is intuitive about it like it was the other day when it gave me a choice to push a button to change the format to ..... Can't remember the initials. Anyway, I copied and pasted your directions for future use. I ordered the SD card last night. Now I need to purchase S/D for I can have automatic scheduling for backup.

SD cards, and Thumb drives invaribly come from the factory with a Master Boot Record partition scheme and formatted MS-DOS (FAT 16). However, Disk Utility can easily erase the existing partition scheme and reformat them HFS+ or APFS with A GUID partitioning scheme. Assuming Super Duper uses Apple's cloning utility (the only way to create a bootable clone of the later versions of macOS), erasure and reformating is an inescapable result of the cloning process and cannot be prevented.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
joemikeb #62868 11/26/22 02:16 AM
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I just saw this on the SuperDuper website. Does this include the SD card I just bought? If so, he doesn't call it that. I guess what I'm asking is "is that slot for my SD card called a firewire drive?"

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Unless S/D is intuitive about it like it was the other day when it gave me a choice to push a button to change the format to ..... Can't remember the initials. Anyway, I copied and pasted your directions for future use. I ordered the SD card last night. Now I need to purchase S/D for I can have automatic scheduling for backup.

SD cards, and Thumb drives invaribly come from the factory with a Master Boot Record partition scheme and formatted MS-DOS (FAT 16). However, Disk Utility can easily erase the existing partition scheme and reformat them HFS+ or APFS with A GUID partitioning scheme. Assuming Super Duper uses Apple's cloning utility (the only way to create a bootable clone of the later versions of macOS), erasure and reformating is an inescapable result of the cloning process and cannot be prevented.

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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
joemikeb #62869 11/26/22 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by joemikeb
SD cards, and Thumb drives invaribly come from the factory with a Master Boot Record partition scheme and formatted MS-DOS (FAT 16). However, Disk Utility can easily erase the existing partition scheme and reformat them HFS+ or APFS with A GUID partitioning scheme. Assuming Super Duper uses Apple's cloning utility (the only way to create a bootable clone of the later versions of macOS), erasure and reformating is an inescapable result of the cloning process and cannot be prevented.
I think you're missing a step.

SD! & CCC both erase the destination container, but in order to get rid of the Master Boot Record itself on the flash drive I recently bought I had to do a separate, initial erase in Disk Utility of the "top line" of the drive.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
plantsower #62870 11/26/22 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by plantsower
I just saw this on the SuperDuper website. Does this include the SD card I just bought? If so, he doesn't call it that. I guess what I'm asking is "is that slot for my SD card called a firewire drive?"

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The SD slot has got nothing to do with FireWire. (FireWire was an Apple high-speed data transfer protocol that they mis-marketed and have since retired.)

I'm pretty sure the card reader is USB.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
artie505 #62871 11/26/22 07:12 PM
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SD cards, and Thumb drives invaribly come from the factory with a Master Boot Record partition scheme and formatted MS-DOS (FAT 16). However, Disk Utility can easily erase the existing partition scheme and reformat them HFS+ or APFS with A GUID partitioning scheme. Assuming Super Duper uses Apple's cloning utility (the only way to create a bootable clone of the later versions of macOS), erasure and reformating is an inescapable result of the cloning process and cannot be prevented.
I think you're missing a step.

You are correct, I was missing a critical step. I just tested using CCC 6.1.4-b5 (7443) and when I selected an SD card as the target drive, I got a popup saying I had to use Disk Utility to change the partition scheme from MBR to GUID. I changed the partition scheme to GUID formatted MS-DOS, but after running the "Legacy" clone it was reformatted to APFS.

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I'm pretty sure the card reader is USB.

It is most definitely USB and that is USB 3.1 (5 Gbps). The storage technology used in SD and SD microcards is so slow, a faster connection would not improve the response time or throughput of the device.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
artie505 #62872 11/26/22 08:51 PM
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I'm pretty sure the card reader is USB. [/quote] But the slot next to the HDMI slot is way wider than USB ports.


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Originally Posted by plantsower
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I'm pretty sure the card reader is USB.
But the slot next to the HDMI slot is way wider than USB ports.
It's not the physical configuration of the port that dictates, rather it's the circuitry behind it, so as long as it connects to the USB bus, it's a USB device.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
artie505 #62874 11/26/22 09:17 PM
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OK, I'm a little worried now, but I hope it fits.


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I'm pretty sure the card reader is USB.
But the slot next to the HDMI slot is way wider than USB ports.
It's not the physical configuration of the port that dictates, rather it's the circuitry behind it, so as long as it connects to the USB bus, it's a USB device.


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
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OK, I'm a little worried now, but I hope it fits.
I don't think you've got anything to worry about. SD cards are standard specs. (Actually, I once had a camera that used a weird card that didn't fit in my slot, but that was a rarity.)


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Re: Re-trying SuperDuper
artie505 #62876 11/27/22 02:21 AM
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OK, hope you're right.

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OK, I'm a little worried now, but I hope it fits.
I don't think you've got anything to worry about. SD cards are standard specs. (Actually, I once had a camera that used a weird card that didn't fit in my slot, but that was a rarity.)


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