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Big Sir or Not??
#57878 02/12/21 09:13 PM
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The last time I talked about downloading Big Sir there were positives and negatives about it. I know some of you see all the positives and recommend the d/l. I am wondering if I should still wait until more bugs are worked out? I hate bugs! 🕷🦟

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Re: Big Sir or Not??
plantsower #57880 02/12/21 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by plantsower
"Big SIr"
I love it! And coming from a Californian, no less. (Who have you got in mind, Rita?)

As for Big SUr, however, the most notable thing about it in my eyes is that it doesn't play nice with my MacBook Pro's battery, which doesn't deliver as much of a charge as it did in Catalina and takes too long to charge after it's been run down. The situation improved in 11.2, but has still got a ways to go. (It's apparently a universal thing.)

In a different vein, Big Sur's GUI is significantly unlike Catalina's, so much so that I can see some people hating it. It's actually kinda jarring until you finally get used to it, and it seems like I'm still stumbling on new aspects of it, even after 3 months.

Bottom line for me is that I've found nothing about Big Sur that makes it a compelling upgrade for me. I'd be no less happy, perhaps even happier, were I still in Catalina.

So far, I'd say that the best reason I can think of to upgrade is to stay current, because, as joemike is going to say in the next post, the learning curve is NOT going to get easier as time goes by.


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Re: Big Sir or Not??
plantsower #57881 02/12/21 09:48 PM
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I presume that by now you know my predilection for computing on the bleeding edge. So keep that in mind as you read this.

At this point, any significant issues remaining in Big Sur are almost exclusively confined to M1 Macs and will not effect your Mac with an Intel processor. That is not to say that because macOS 11 (Big Sur) is the biggest change to the Apple eco-system since OS X, combined with the necessity of being compatible with both Intel and Apple silicon has caused some utility developers to be slow getting their product to market, because that is true. But, most third party apps were updated within weeks, if not days, of the release of macOS 11. So for the average user, such as yourself, none of that is likely to effect you or your day-to-day use of your Mac. Remember this, the "voices" that are heard on forums such as FTM are primarily those who are having problems and represent only a tiny fraction of the users and in spite of that there have been multiple reports on FTM of Big Sur installs and upgrades with no problems. I would say go for it, the learning curve isn't going to get any shallower.



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Re: Big Sir or Not??
joemikeb #57882 02/12/21 10:48 PM
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Artie warned me about your response, but then, of course, I knew what it would be. LOL! Thanks for your input. I will take it under advisement.


Originally Posted by joemikeb
I presume that by now you know my predilection for computing on the bleeding edge. So keep that in mind as you read this.

At this point, any significant issues remaining in Big Sur are almost exclusively confined to M1 Macs and will not effect your Mac with an Intel processor. That is not to say that because macOS 11 (Big Sur) is the biggest change to the Apple eco-system since OS X, combined with the necessity of being compatible with both Intel and Apple silicon has caused some utility developers to be slow getting their product to market, because that is true. But, most third party apps were updated within weeks, if not days, of the release of macOS 11. So for the average user, such as yourself, none of that is likely to effect you or your day-to-day use of your Mac. Remember this, the "voices" that are heard on forums such as FTM are primarily those who are having problems and represent only a tiny fraction of the users and in spite of that there have been multiple reports on FTM of Big Sur installs and upgrades with no problems. I would say go for it, the learning curve isn't going to get any shallower.


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Re: Big Sir or Not??
artie505 #57883 02/12/21 10:55 PM
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You already know who it is. Hee hee.

As you know, I'm not big on change, and the move from Mojave to Catalina was not the big deal I thought it was going to be. The only thing different for me is that not all videos will download as quickly as before and I have more websites that Safari can't load, so I go to Firefox as I did before. I know there is more security, but nothing pops up about it for me to click on.

Can you tell me the aspects you don't like? Maybe they won't be relevant to me and then I may consider going to Big Sur sooner rather than later. As far as the battery, I leave it plugged in for the most part so that doesn't bother me much. Thank you. smile


Originally Posted by artie505
Originally Posted by plantsower
"Big SIr"
I love it! And coming from a Californian, no less. (Who have you got in mind, Rita?)

As for Big SUr, however, the most notable thing about it in my eyes is that it doesn't play nice with my MacBook Pro's battery, which doesn't deliver as much of a charge as it did in Catalina and takes too long to charge after it's been run down. The situation improved in 11.2, but has still got a ways to go. (It's apparently a universal thing.)

In a different vein, Big Sur's GUI is significantly unlike Catalina's, so much so that I can see some people hating it. It's actually kinda jarring until you finally get used to it, and it seems like I'm still stumbling on new aspects of it, even after 3 months.

Bottom line for me is that I've found nothing about Big Sur that makes it a compelling upgrade for me. I'd be no less happy, perhaps even happier, were I still in Catalina.

So far, I'd say that the best reason I can think of to upgrade is to stay current, because, as joemike is going to say in the next post, the learning curve is NOT going to get easier as time goes by.


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Re: Big Sir or Not??
plantsower #57884 02/12/21 11:35 PM
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For me, the only downside was that my Epson print driver became Airprint, which is Apple's take on what I want (and I don't). I had to reset the printing system, download the driver from Epson, and reinstall it. That happened not only when I upgraded from Catalina to Big Sur but also when I updated from 11.1 to 11.2. and again when I installed the 11.2.1 supplemental update. The procedure only took a few minutes but it is annoying to have Apple dictate which driver I wanted.

The icons in Safari look different, the application icons look different, and the fonts look different. I'm used to this now, so it's not a big deal. On the plus side, some wonky behavior in Mail seems to have been fixed with Big Sur.

Hopefully, you'll like it and not have to call it Bug Sur! grin


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Re: Big Sir or Not??
jchuzi #57885 02/12/21 11:52 PM
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Bug Sir! That made me laugh. Thanks for your input. I have a lot to consider since I'm a scaredy cat about upgrades.



Originally Posted by jchuzi
For me, the only downside was that my Epson print driver became Airprint, which is Apple's take on what I want (and I don't). I had to reset the printing system, download the driver from Epson, and reinstall it. That happened not only when I upgraded from Catalina to Big Sur but also when I updated from 11.1 to 11.2. and again when I installed the 11.2.1 supplemental update. The procedure only took a few minutes but it is annoying to have Apple dictate which driver I wanted.

The icons in Safari look different, the application icons look different, and the fonts look different. I'm used to this now, so it's not a big deal. On the plus side, some wonky behavior in Mail seems to have been fixed with Big Sur.

Hopefully, you'll like it and not have to call it Bug Sur! grin


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plantsower #57886 02/13/21 12:06 AM
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One more thing: See this thread about a bug in Safari. I intend to file feedback to Apple (not the same as a bug report, which I have already done). That might get some action. The bug is not a deal-breaker but it is a minor (albeit very minor) annoyance.


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jchuzi #57887 02/13/21 12:32 AM
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Thanks for the heads up. That sounds very annoying.


Originally Posted by jchuzi
One more thing: See this thread about a bug in Safari. I intend to file feedback to Apple (not the same as a bug report, which I have already done). That might get some action. The bug is not a deal-breaker but it is a minor (albeit very minor) annoyance.


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At the risk of sounding like Steve Jobs, there's one more thing: The native contrast in Big Sur was too little for my eyes, so I increased it in System Preferences > Accessibility > Display. That solved the issue.


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Re: Big Sir or Not??
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For me, V11.2 has been working fine on my "test" external Samsung SSD. In fact, it seems faster than V11.1. But the one show stopper right now is the issue of not being able to create an eDrive with the latest version of Tech Tool Pro, V13.0.2. Also, V11.2 of Big Sur did cause some other issues which seem to have been corrected in the V11.3 beta. I'm hoping those corrected issues will resolve the eDrive issue with TTPro.

The only other bummer is that there is still no Big Sur version of SuperDuper!. I keep hoping that while I wait for V11.3 of Big Sur to be released, a version of SuperDuper! will be released. But that could be wishful thinking. Fortunately, both of my Macs are Intel-based, and I can use the latest version of Carbon Copy Cloner once I make the move to V11.3.

Re: Big Sir or Not??
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Originally Posted by MartyByrde
Also, V11.2 of Big Sur did cause some other issues which seem to have been corrected in the V11.3 beta. I'm hoping those corrected issues will resolve the eDrive issue with TTPro.
Can you be specific about those issues?


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Originally Posted by plantsower
As you know, I'm not big on change, and the move from Mojave to Catalina was not the big deal I thought it was going to be.... The only thing different for me is that not all videos will download as quickly as before and I have more websites that Safari can't load, so I go to Firefox as I did before. I know there is more security, but nothing pops up about it for me to click on.

Can you tell me the aspects you don't like? Maybe they won't be relevant to me and then I may consider going to Big Sur sooner rather than later. As far as the battery, I leave it plugged in for the most part so that doesn't bother me much.
Since battery life isn't an issue, there's nothing I can point to in Big Sur as a reason to not upgrade...only annoyances that you'll probably get used to (as I have).

In favor of upgrading, I'll wonder if maybe Safari 14 will cure your Safari 13 problems, although I still don't understand why you've got any problems at all with Safari failing to load websites. (With which new websites are you running into issues, and do they return any feedback?)

All told, I think an updated Safari is a good reason for you to make the move, but I'll suggest that you wait for 11.3 at the least.


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Re: Big Sir or Not??
jchuzi #57892 02/13/21 05:22 AM
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Wow, I didn't really understand the "Steve."

Originally Posted by jchuzi
At the risk of sounding like Steve Jobs, there's one more thing: The native contrast in Big Sur was too little for my eyes, so I increased it in System Preferences > Accessibility > Display. That solved the issue.


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Wow, that's a bummer about SuperDuper as that is the program I use. I really don't like CCC. Good to know. Thanks.


Originally Posted by MartyByrde
For me, V11.2 has been working fine on my "test" external Samsung SSD. In fact, it seems faster than V11.1. But the one show stopper right now is the issue of not being able to create an eDrive with the latest version of Tech Tool Pro, V13.0.2. Also, V11.2 of Big Sur did cause some other issues which seem to have been corrected in the V11.3 beta. I'm hoping those corrected issues will resolve the eDrive issue with TTPro.

The only other bummer is that there is still no Big Sur version of SuperDuper!. I keep hoping that while I wait for V11.3 of Big Sur to be released, a version of SuperDuper! will be released. But that could be wishful thinking. Fortunately, both of my Macs are Intel-based, and I can use the latest version of Carbon Copy Cloner once I make the move to V11.3.


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artie505 #57894 02/13/21 05:26 AM
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Well you still didn't tell me about what you had to get used to besides the battery issue. That's what I wanted to know. And I'll take you advice and wait until at least 11.3.

As far as the websites not loading I will have to wait until it happens again. I can't remember which ones they were. It is just the usual error message saying Safari can't load the website, blah, blah, blah.






Originally Posted by artie505
Originally Posted by plantsower
As you know, I'm not big on change, and the move from Mojave to Catalina was not the big deal I thought it was going to be.... The only thing different for me is that not all videos will download as quickly as before and I have more websites that Safari can't load, so I go to Firefox as I did before. I know there is more security, but nothing pops up about it for me to click on.

Can you tell me the aspects you don't like? Maybe they won't be relevant to me and then I may consider going to Big Sur sooner rather than later. As far as the battery, I leave it plugged in for the most part so that doesn't bother me much.
Since battery life isn't an issue, there's nothing I can point to in Big Sur as a reason to not upgrade...only annoyances that you'll probably get used to (as I have).

In favor of upgrading, I'll wonder if maybe Safari 14 will cure your Safari 13 problems, although I still don't understand why you've got any problems at all with Safari failing to load websites. (With which new websites are you running into issues, and do they return any feedback?)

All told, I think an updated Safari is a good reason for you to make the move, but I'll suggest that you wait for 11.3 at the least.


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Originally Posted by plantsower
Well you still didn't tell me about what you had to get used to besides the battery issue.
Honest truth is I don't even remember most of what bothered me. I just figured it out and got past it.

I had the same contrast issue as Jon, and after some playing around I was able to satisfy my eyes.

I've got some font size issues that I can't get around.

I hate that opening a new Text Edit window while I've already got one open no longer generates a new free-standing window.

As you can see, nothing critical.

(PS: Next time you run into one of your recalcitrant websites, please post a screenshot of the Safari pop-up.)


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Originally Posted by plantsower
Wow, I didn't really understand the "Steve."

Originally Posted by jchuzi
At the risk of sounding like Steve Jobs, there's one more thing: The native contrast in Big Sur was too little for my eyes, so I increased it in System Preferences > Accessibility > Display. That solved the issue.
It was customary for Jobs to wait until the last moment to announce a BIG THING. He characteristically pretended to "remember" it by saying "Oh, there's one more thing" and then come out with what everyone had been waiting for.


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I will. Thanks.

(PS: Next time you run into one of your recalcitrant websites, please post a screenshot of the Safari pop-up.) [/quote]


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I miss Jobs. I guess he wasn't easy to work for/with, but things seemed to be better then for the customers.



He characteristically pretended to "remember" it by saying "Oh, there's one more thing" and then come out with what everyone had been waiting for. [/quote]


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Originally Posted by jchuzi
Originally Posted by MartyByrde
Also, V11.2 of Big Sur did cause some other issues which seem to have been corrected in the V11.3 beta. I'm hoping those corrected issues will resolve the eDrive issue with TTPro.
Can you be specific about those issues?

Sorry for the late reply. I had previously started the thread entitled "Carbon Copy Cloner Status", and the discussion eventually led to issues with the latest release of Tech Tool Pro and creation of its eDrive. On page 2 of that thread, our resident expert joemikeb made an extremely informative post, #57809. I'll quote it here directly to make it easier for you (and others):

"I have no experience with Big Sur on Intel Macs and there are definite differences, but from posts I have seen on other product support, web sites macOS 11.2 apparently broke some things associated with external boot drives that were working in 11.1. It appears the problem revolves around changes in the utility used to bless a boot drive. I have also seen reports similar to yours about the version of Disk Utility used to erase a volume. In both cases, early results indicate both issues are fixed in the current macOS 11.3 beta. Given macOS 11 is the biggest rework of Apple's OS since Mac OS X, you may have made the switch one update too soon."

Sure is helpful! Thus, that is one reason why I am waiting for the release of V11.3 of Big Sur before making the final move from Catalina.

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Originally Posted by plantsower
Wow, that's a bummer about SuperDuper as that is the program I use. I really don't like CCC. Good to know. Thanks.


Originally Posted by MartyByrde
For me, V11.2 has been working fine on my "test" external Samsung SSD. In fact, it seems faster than V11.1. But the one show stopper right now is the issue of not being able to create an eDrive with the latest version of Tech Tool Pro, V13.0.2. Also, V11.2 of Big Sur did cause some other issues which seem to have been corrected in the V11.3 beta. I'm hoping those corrected issues will resolve the eDrive issue with TTPro.

The only other bummer is that there is still no Big Sur version of SuperDuper!. I keep hoping that while I wait for V11.3 of Big Sur to be released, a version of SuperDuper! will be released. But that could be wishful thinking. Fortunately, both of my Macs are Intel-based, and I can use the latest version of Carbon Copy Cloner once I make the move to V11.3.

Could not agree more! I know that Dave Nanian has been struggling with Big Sur and trying to come up with a version of SuperDuper! that would work. As it is, only with Intel-based Macs does Carbon Copy Cloner work "cleanly", ie, in a straight forward manner. There is a way to use SuperDuper! with Big Sur, and it's described here:

https://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/

But that's WAY too "clumsy" for me! As it is, I believe in the KISS philosophy: Keep It Simple, Stupid, and hence much prefer the direct, straight forward method for the backups.

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Thank you. I think I will wait for sure.

https://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/

But that's WAY too "clumsy" for me! As it is, I believe in the KISS philosophy: Keep It Simple, Stupid, and hence much prefer the direct, straight forward method for the backups. [/quote]


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This is embarrassing!

I'm so mired in another Big Sur bug (which I think popped up in 11.1) that I completely forgot to mention it...

If I use a keyboard control - Apple supplied or Butler added - to manipulate my currently playing song, the next time I try to play it or anything else the play is choppy, i.e. it stutters and starts and stops and starts... usually until I quit and relaunch Music, but sometimes it corrects itself on its own.

The only reliable way for me to start/pause/stop a song is from within Music.

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Thanks. You're giving me more reasons to wait!! I really don't understand why they launch new versions until they've been completely tested. I know they can miss stuff, but it seems like they don't listen when people give feedback anyway.



Originally Posted by artie505
This is embarrassing!

I'm so mired in another Big Sur bug (which I think popped up in 11.1) that I completely forgot to mention it...

If I use a keyboard control - Apple supplied or Butler added - to manipulate my currently playing song, the next time I try to play it or anything else the play is choppy, i.e. it stutters and starts and stops and starts... usually until I quit and relaunch Music, but sometimes it corrects itself on its own.

The only reliable way for me to start/pause/stop a song is from within Music.

Giant PIA!


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