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Re: Big Sur??
jchuzi #56974 11/17/20 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jchuzi
I emailed Epson, asking about a printer driver for Big Sur. Their reply (and a heads-up for any Epson owners):

Thank you for contacting Epson regarding your Epson SureColor P600. In reviewing your incident, it appears that you have opened one of our online knowledge base articles to help you in resolving this issue.

In response to your concern, please be advised that currently, there's no available Epson printer driver for your product for MAC 11.0 and we do not have the exact details to when it will be available.
I phoned Epson and was informed that a driver compatible with Big Sur is now available. It must be installed AFTER upgrading, not before. So, one more hurdle has been overcome in the upgrade.


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Re: Big Sur??
artie505 #56979 11/17/20 11:35 PM
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OK, I did the NVRAM/PRAM thing and so far so good. smile


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Resetting NVRAM/PRAM just maaay be your answer.


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Re: Big Sur??
plantsower #56981 11/17/20 11:58 PM
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I just had a vagrant thought, does the M1 have NVRAM/PRAM, or is that another old trouble-shooting technique that has bitten the dust? I


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Re: Big Sur??
joemikeb #56982 11/18/20 12:06 AM
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What is M1?


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I just had a vagrant thought, does the M1 have NVRAM/PRAM, or is that another old trouble-shooting technique that has bitten the dust? I


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plantsower #56983 11/18/20 12:20 AM
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Re: Big Sur??
jchuzi #56984 11/18/20 12:36 AM
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Oh, I see. Thanks.

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Re: Big Sur??
joemikeb #56987 11/18/20 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by joemikeb
I just had a vagrant thought, does the M1 have NVRAM/PRAM, or is that another old trouble-shooting technique that has bitten the dust? I
The article to which I linked states that
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[t]his article applies only to Mac computers with an Intel processor.

If there's an M1 equivalent, it's a secret.


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Re: Big Sur??
artie505 #57013 11/20/20 01:55 AM
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Darn it. Doing the PRAM thing worked but only temporarily. ☹️


Originally Posted by artie505
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Re: Big Sur??
plantsower #57014 11/20/20 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by plantsower
Darn it. Doing the PRAM thing worked but only temporarily. ☹️


Originally Posted by artie505
Resetting NVRAM/PRAM just maaay be your answer.
I was afraid that might happen, because I had a date/time issue that the same procedure corrected, but which also regressed and required a second step to correct with finality.

Unfortunately, the second step, which used to be a simple Terminal command, has changed as per Apple has changed resetting permissions again.

Redo the NVRAM/PRAM thing, and then follow steps 1-8 to repair home permissions.

Yep! Giant PIA!


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Re: Big Sur??
artie505 #57015 11/20/20 02:21 AM
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OK. Thank you!



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Originally Posted by plantsower
Darn it. Doing the PRAM thing worked but only temporarily. ☹️


Originally Posted by artie505
Resetting NVRAM/PRAM just maaay be your answer.
I was afraid that might happen, because I had a date/time issue that the same procedure corrected, but which also regressed and required a second step to correct with finality.

Unfortunately, the second step, which used to be a simple Terminal command, has changed as per Apple has changed resetting permissions again.

Redo the NVRAM/PRAM thing, and then follow steps 1-8 to repair home permissions.

Yep! Giant PIA!


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Re: Big Sur??
artie505 #57016 11/20/20 02:25 AM
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Yikes! I just read about resetting permissions and it involves re-installing the OS? Nope. I will redo PRAM, but I'm not up to that. I feel lucky that I got it installed the first time. I appreciate the info though. All of a sudden, texts out of order doesn't seem to be such a big deal!! smirk



Originally Posted by artie505
Originally Posted by plantsower
Darn it. Doing the PRAM thing worked but only temporarily. ☹️


Originally Posted by artie505
Resetting NVRAM/PRAM just maaay be your answer.
I was afraid that might happen, because I had a date/time issue that the same procedure corrected, but which also regressed and required a second step to correct with finality.

Unfortunately, the second step, which used to be a simple Terminal command, has changed as per Apple has changed resetting permissions again.

Redo the NVRAM/PRAM thing, and then follow steps 1-8 to repair home permissions.

Yep! Giant PIA!


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Re: Big Sur??
plantsower #57018 11/20/20 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by plantsower
Yikes! I just read about resetting permissions and it involves re-installing the OS? Nope. I will redo PRAM, but I'm not up to that. I feel lucky that I got it installed the first time. I appreciate the info though. All of a sudden, texts out of order doesn't seem to be such a big deal!! smirk

I'm an experimenter a daredevil, so I'm wondering what if you do all the steps up to reinstalling macOS but skip the reinstall?

It just somehow seems like it's Apple overkill (kinda like shutting down/starting up when all you really need to do is log out/in), and the worst that can happen is you wind up where you started.

That's what I'd do after redoing PRAM and making certain that I had an up to date clone first.


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Re: Big Sur??
artie505 #57021 11/20/20 08:33 PM
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Hmmmm. Maybe down the road if doing PRAM doesn't do the trick for good. I didn't know I could follow steps and go just so far and then stop.




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Originally Posted by plantsower
Yikes! I just read about resetting permissions and it involves re-installing the OS? Nope. I will redo PRAM, but I'm not up to that. I feel lucky that I got it installed the first time. I appreciate the info though. All of a sudden, texts out of order doesn't seem to be such a big deal!! smirk

I'm an experimenter a daredevil, so I'm wondering what if you do all the steps up to reinstalling macOS but skip the reinstall?

It just somehow seems like it's Apple overkill (kinda like shutting down/starting up when all you really need to do is log out/in), and the worst that can happen is you wind up where you started.

That's what I'd do after redoing PRAM and making certain that I had an up to date clone first.


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Re: Big Sur??
plantsower #57022 11/20/20 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by plantsower
Hmmmm. Maybe down the road if doing PRAM doesn't do the trick for good. I didn't know I could follow steps and go just so far and then stop.
Ordinarily, I wouldn't advise stopping in the middle of a procedure, but this is two separate procedures, and I don't seriously think a reinstall is necessary in your instance.

Of course, if you shut down your MBP regularly you can just do PRAM every time you fire it up, and that will probably perpetuate the fix.


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artie505 #57023 11/20/20 09:51 PM
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I don't normally shut down a lot, just let it go to sleep. I tried doing PRAM today with Option+Command+P+R and it went into recovery mode! I shut it down again and tried again but I guess I didn't touch all four keys soon enough and it just started up normally. Touchy,touchy.


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Originally Posted by plantsower
Hmmmm. Maybe down the road if doing PRAM doesn't do the trick for good. I didn't know I could follow steps and go just so far and then stop.
Ordinarily, I wouldn't advise stopping in the middle of a procedure, but this is two separate procedures, and I don't seriously think a reinstall is necessary in your instance.

Of course, if you shut down your MBP regularly you can just do PRAM every time you fire it up, and that will probably perpetuate the fix.


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plantsower #57024 11/20/20 11:27 PM
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Instead of booting while holding down ⌘⌥PR, try powering down, disconnecting from any external power source for at least 30 seconds, then reconnecting the power and starting up again. This works in cases where the ⌘⌥PR sequence does not. With Catalina and Big Sur when you are booting while using keyboard options like ⌥, ⌥R, or ⌘⌥R holding the keys down until you see the Apple logo is not enough, you must continue holding the keys down until you see a progress bar. (NOTE: I have often thought in this case, a third arm and hand would be very useful. 😉)


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joemikeb #57026 11/21/20 12:47 AM
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I did what you said but it didn't make a difference. I hear you about the third arm thingy.


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Instead of booting while holding down ⌘⌥PR, try powering down, disconnecting from any external power source for at least 30 seconds, then reconnecting the power and starting up again. This works in cases where the ⌘⌥PR sequence does not. With Catalina and Big Sur when you are booting while using keyboard options like ⌥, ⌥R, or ⌘⌥R holding the keys down until you see the Apple logo is not enough, you must continue holding the keys down until you see a progress bar. (NOTE: I have often thought in this case, a third arm and hand would be very useful. 😉)


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plantsower #57029 11/21/20 03:27 AM
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This seems like a good point to mention that I find starting up with a key command to be easier when I hear the chime, so if you miss it, as I did... How to turn your Mac startup chime back on. (Be sure to enter the Terminal command via copy & paste.)

I don't know if this'll help you, but when I zap PRAM I have my fingers on command & option before I even I hit the power button, so I've only got to worry about P & R (which still isn't all that easy) after I hear the chime.

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Re: Big Sur??
joemikeb #57030 11/21/20 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by joemikeb
With Catalina and Big Sur when you are booting while using keyboard options like ⌥, ⌥R, or ⌘⌥R holding the keys down until you see the Apple logo is not enough, you must continue holding the keys down until you see a progress bar.

Here's what Apple has to say about it in part:
On Mac computers that play a startup sound, you can release the keys after the second startup sound.
On Mac computers that have the Apple T2 Security Chip, you can release the keys after the Apple logo appears and disappears for the second time


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artie505 #57031 11/21/20 05:03 AM
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I will do that before I power up, thanks.


I don't know if this'll help you, but when I zap PRAM I have my fingers on command & option before I even I hit the power button, so I've only got to worry about P & R (which still isn't all that easy) after I hear the chime. [/quote]


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artie505 #57033 11/21/20 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by artie505
Here's what Apple has to say about it in part:
On Mac computers that play a startup sound, you can release the keys after the second startup sound.
On Mac computers that have the Apple T2 Security Chip, you can release the keys after the Apple logo appears and disappears for the second time
Unlike what I was used to seeing on my Intel Mac mini, on my M1 Mac mini there is only one startup chime and the Apple logo appears only once, but holding until the progress bar appears works on both Intel and Apple SoC.


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joemikeb #57035 11/21/20 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by joemikeb
Originally Posted by artie505
Here's what Apple has to say about it in part:
On Mac computers that play a startup sound, you can release the keys after the second startup sound.
On Mac computers that have the Apple T2 Security Chip, you can release the keys after the Apple logo appears and disappears for the second time
Unlike what I was used to seeing on my Intel Mac mini, on my M1 Mac mini there is only one startup chime and the Apple logo appears only once, but holding until the progress bar appears works on both Intel and Apple SoC.
I'm not sure how that fits with Apple's statement that "[t]his article applies only to Mac computers with an Intel processor."

Can you actually reset NVRAM on your M1 Mac mini?


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artie505 #57042 11/21/20 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by artie505
I'm not sure how that fits with Apple's statement that "[t]his article applies only to Mac computers with an Intel processor."

Can you actually reset NVRAM on your M1 Mac mini?
It fits when you erroneously conflate resetting the NVRAM with keyboard boot option commands. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Resetting the NVRAM doesn't work on most recent Macs. instead you have to reset the SMC (System Management Controller, at least that was the case on my 2018 Intel Mac mini.

As to the various boot options such as booting from the Recovery Drive (⌘R), since many Macs came with the boot chime disabled, and there is no double chime or double Apple icon on M1 Macs, pressing the keys before the power button and holding them until you see the progress bar will work on either Intel or M1 Macs.


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Re: Big Sur??
joemikeb #57046 11/22/20 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by joemikeb
Originally Posted by artie505
I'm not sure how that fits with Apple's statement that "[t]his article applies only to Mac computers with an Intel processor."

Can you actually reset NVRAM on your M1 Mac mini?
It fits when you erroneously conflate resetting the NVRAM with keyboard boot option commands. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Resetting the NVRAM doesn't work on most recent Macs. instead you have to reset the SMC (System Management Controller, at least that was the case on my 2018 Intel Mac mini.

As to the various boot options such as booting from the Recovery Drive (⌘R), since many Macs came with the boot chime disabled, and there is no double chime or double Apple icon on M1 Macs, pressing the keys before the power button and holding them until you see the progress bar will work on either Intel or M1 Macs.
Thanks for that.

OK, you confused me about NVRAM when you inserted the irrelevant to his thread boot commands into the equation.

I've never had occasion to reset NVRAM on my 2019 16" MBP w T2 Chip, but according to the linked article I can do it.


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