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Re: Disc filling up
joemikeb #55699 08/14/20 06:47 PM
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I posted recently about all the things that are going wrong with my Mac, including Spotlight not working anymore nor "all my files" showing up after I used OnyX. Terminal is acting wonky, too. All since I ran OnyX which I will delete after this.

If I d/l Catalina will it take care of all my woes? Will it make spotlight work again? Will it find the files that have disappeared off my HD?

Thanks. frown


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Artie is dead right on. You still have 120 GB on your drive, but you have cut it up into three partitions.. You are trying to run three operating systems on a drive that is big enough for one.

It is time to fish or cut bait. You need to either move on to Catalina, or make the decision to stick with Sierra until you buy a new Mac. Artie said to clone Macintosh HD to your external drive. My recommendation is to make a choice between Sierra or Catalina, (I strongly encourage Catalina). Tell me what your decision is and I can give you specific step-by-sep instructions from there, that will minimize any risk in the process of eliminating the other two operating systems, as well as th disk full error.


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Re: Disc filling up
plantsower #55702 08/14/20 07:24 PM
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Since you have already erased the content of the other partitions, these instructions are for rebuilding your internal drive as Sierra only. Hopefully, you are not so short on Storage space this will work. 🤞

FOLLOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING STEPS IN EXACT SEQUENCE
  1. PREPARE THE EXTERNAL DRIVE
    1. Open Disk Utility
    2. in the Disk Utility sidebar, select the external DRIVE
    3. On the Disk Utility toolbar select Erase then Name: External, Format Mac OS Extended (Journaled), Scheme: GUID Partition Map
    4. Click Erase (This will effectively erase all content on your external drive, including any partitions.
  2. CLONE SIERRA TO THE EXTERNAL DRIVE
    1. The exact process will depend on the cloning utility you use, whether it is Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper, but the process is fairly straight-forward. If you need help, let me know which cloning utility you are using.
    2. In either case you are cloning from Macintosh HD to External
  3. BOOT FROM THE EXTERNAL CLONE
    1. Go to System Preferences > Startup Disk
    2. Select the External drive
    3. Click on Restart
  4. PREPARE THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    1. Open Disk Utility
    2. in the Disk Utility sidebar, select the internal drive DRIVE
    3. On the Disk Utility tool bar select Erase then Name: Macintosh HD, Format Mac OS Extended (Journaled), Scheme: GUID Partition Map
    4. Click Erase (This will effectively erase all content on your internal drive and all partitions)
  5. CLONE SIERRA BACK TO THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    • Reverse the process used in step II preceding
  6. BOOT FROM THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    1. Go to System Preferences > Startup Disk
    2. Select the internal drive
    3. Click on Restart
  7. You should now be running Sierra from your internal drive and have the entire 120GB available. 👏


Once Sierra is working correctly, upgrading to Catalina is very straight-forward, if you decide to go that route.

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Re: Disc filling up
joemikeb #55706 08/14/20 10:06 PM
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OK. I do have some questions but will wait until I am actually doing this after my vacation. I am still wondering if all is lost in "all my files" and with Spotlight and Terminal. Since I was able to clear out 14 gigabytes I no longer get the full disk error, but I still have the other problems. I am blaming OnyX for that.

I'm surprised you told me how to do this. I was under the assumption you were going to tell me how to download Catalina and forget about Sierra. I know that's what you want. smile We will see how this goes. If I completely screw it up, I will be asking for instructions on how to clear my internal HD and d/l Catalina! smile


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Since you have already erased the content of the other partitions, these instructions are for rebuilding your internal drive as Sierra only. Hopefully, you are not so short on Storage space this will work. 🤞

FOLLOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING STEPS IN EXACT SEQUENCE
  1. PREPARE THE EXTERNAL DRIVE
    1. Open Disk Utility
    2. in the Disk Utility sidebar, select the external DRIVE
    3. On the Disk Utility toolbar select Erase then Name: External, Format Mac OS Extended (Journaled), Scheme: GUID Partition Map
    4. Click Erase (This will effectively erase all content on your external drive, including any partitions.
  2. CLONE SIERRA TO THE EXTERNAL DRIVE
    1. The exact process will depend on the cloning utility you use, whether it is Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper, but the process is fairly straight-forward. If you need help, let me know which cloning utility you are using.
    2. In either case you are cloning from Macintosh HD to External
  3. BOOT FROM THE EXTERNAL CLONE
    1. Go to System Preferences > Startup Disk
    2. Select the External drive
    3. Click on Restart
  4. PREPARE THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    1. Open Disk Utility
    2. in the Disk Utility sidebar, select the internal drive DRIVE
    3. On the Disk Utility tool bar select Erase then Name: Macintosh HD, Format Mac OS Extended (Journaled), Scheme: GUID Partition Map
    4. Click Erase (This will effectively erase all content on your internal drive and all partitions)
  5. CLONE SIERRA BACK TO THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    • Reverse the process used in step II preceding
  6. BOOT FROM THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    1. Go to System Preferences > Startup Disk
    2. Select the internal drive
    3. Click on Restart
  7. You should now be running Sierra from your internal drive and have the entire 120GB available. 👏


Once Sierra is working correctly, upgrading to Catalina is very straight-forward, if you decide to go that route.


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Re: Disc filling up
plantsower #55707 08/14/20 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: plantsower
I'm surprised you told me how to do this. I was under the assumption you were going to tell me how to download Catalina and forget about Sierra. I know that's what you want. smile

We're just troubleshooters...and advisers if advice is solicited or if we feel it's appropriately given.

But basically, we're here to help you do what YOU want to do, i.e. stick with Sierra for the moment, not to impose our judgement on you. smile


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Re: Disc filling up
artie505 #55708 08/14/20 10:51 PM
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Right. But awhile back it was strongly suggested I upgrade to either Mojave or preferably Catalina. That's was I was referring to. It's fine.


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Originally Posted By: plantsower
I'm surprised you told me how to do this. I was under the assumption you were going to tell me how to download Catalina and forget about Sierra. I know that's what you want. smile

We're just troubleshooters...and advisers if advice is solicited or if we feel it's appropriately given.

But basically, we're here to help you do what YOU want to do, not to impose our judgement on you. smile


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Re: Disc filling up
plantsower #55709 08/14/20 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: plantsower
Right. But awhile back it was strongly suggested I upgrade to either Mojave or preferably Catalina. That's was I was referring to. It's fine.

I realize that, but in the end, it was still just advice for you to deal with a YOU see fit.

If you indicated even in the least that you were interested in upgrading, bet the farm that we'd be right on top of it.


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Re: Disc filling up
artie505 #55710 08/14/20 10:55 PM
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I know. In fact, when I thought there was no hope yesterday of fixing anything, I was ready to do the Catalina thing. I wish I wasn't so wishy-washy about it.



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Right. But awhile back it was strongly suggested I upgrade to either Mojave or preferably Catalina. That's was I was referring to. It's fine.

I realize that, but in the end, it was still just advise for you to deal with a YOU see fit.

If you indicated even in the least that you were interested in upgrading, bet the farm that we'd be right on top of it.


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Re: Disc filling up
plantsower #55711 08/14/20 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: plantsower
I know. In fact, when I thought there was no hope yesterday of fixing anything, I was ready to do the Catalina thing. I wish I wasn't so wishy-washy about it.

I stopped at Snow Leopard...skipped Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks, and Yosemite before finally taking the leap to El Capitan, and I dreaded what I'd find, but I guess I could say I was pleasantly surprised that even having skipped four versions of OS X I wasn't all that far behind.

Yeah, some apps had to be upgraded, and I had to go through system prefs to see what was new (and to make sure my security settings had been perpetuated), which is SOP after ANY upgrade, but the bottom line is that the learning curve was far less daunting than I"d feared, and I never had to post here.

Don't let the dread make you wishy-washy, and if you're worried about losing features, I can't say that you won't lose some particular things that you like, but I doubt that any of them will be critical rather then "Oh, darn!"

More: By the way, I suggest that even if you never look at any threads here other than your own, you follow joemike's threads on whichever forthcoming version of macOS he's beta testing...Big Sur at the moment. They're invaluable for getting a jump on what's coming! (Yeah, they get technical, but ignore that stuff and focus on his comments about features.)

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Re: Disc filling up
artie505 #55712 08/15/20 12:29 AM
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Nobody's answered my question about if upgrading or clearing my hard drive will restore my "all my files" and spotlight. I'm kind of thinking it won't. I just pretended to save something on with my word processing program and when I tried to save it in a certain area (recipes), they were all gone! I wrote to the owner of Onyx who normally responds quickly but just crickets. I had other important things on there, too. More important than recipes. Uh oh. Well, they are on my external drive, but I will be wiping that when I make room for Sierra again or Catalina.

Joe Mike said to do the opposite to restore info from my ex drive to my HD but I'm not sure exactly how to do that. I'll look it up. I'll need to do that before I wipe it.


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I know. In fact, when I thought there was no hope yesterday of fixing anything, I was ready to do the Catalina thing. I wish I wasn't so wishy-washy about it.

I stopped at Snow Leopard...skipped Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks, and Yosemite before finally taking the leap to El Capitan, and I dreaded what I'd find, but I guess I could say I was pleasantly surprised that even having skipped four versions of OS X I wasn't all that far behind.

Yeah, some apps had to be upgraded, and I had to go through system prefs to see what was new (and to make sure my security settings had been perpetuated), which is SOP after ANY upgrade, but the bottom line is that the learning curve was far less daunting than I"d feared, and I never had to post here.

Don't let the dread make you wishy-washy, and if you're worried about losing features, I can't say that you won't lose some particular things that you like, but I doubt that any of them will be critical rather then "Oh, darn!"

More: By the way, I suggest that even if you never look at any threads here other than your own, you follow joemike's threads on whichever forthcoming version of macOS he's beta testing...Big Sur at the moment. They're invaluable for getting a jump on what's coming! (Yeah, they get technical, but ignore that stuff and focus on his comments about features.)


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Re: Disc filling up
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Originally Posted By: plantsower
Nobody's answered my question about if upgrading or clearing my hard drive will restore my "all my files" and spotlight.

Joe Mike said to do the opposite to restore info from my ex drive to my HD but I'm not sure exactly how to do that. I'll look it up. I'll need to do that before I wipe it.

I haven't read through either all your earlier posts in this thread, or your other thread yet, but I will later. Maybe I'll d/l OnyX to see if I can see what you may have done.

If I'm understanding you, the info on your external can all be restored with drag & drop. As long as the OS on your internal is OK, you don't have to clone.


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Re: Disc filling up
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I plugged in my external hd and brought up SuperDuper. When in ex. drive 2015 Sierra I could see "all my files" in finder. I dragged it onto the desk top and it disappeared! I looked it up on Spotlight and it showed up but not the icon in Finder. I couldn't figure out a way to drag and drop so that it would show up on my internal HD. Regarding OnyX, there is a warning in Onyx not to do certain things if you have an SSD, so I was very careful to obey that while running it. I still lost data.


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Originally Posted By: plantsower
Nobody's answered my question about if upgrading or clearing my hard drive will restore my "all my files" and spotlight.

Joe Mike said to do the opposite to restore info from my ex drive to my HD but I'm not sure exactly how to do that. I'll look it up. I'll need to do that before I wipe it.

I haven't read through either all your earlier posts in this thread, or your other thread yet, but I will later. Maybe I'll d/l OnyX to see if I can see what you may have done.

If I'm understanding you, the info on your external can all be restored by drag & drop. As long as the OS on your internal is OK, you don't have to clone.


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Re: Disc filling up
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Originally Posted By: plantsower
I plugged in my external hd and brought up SuperDuper. When in ex. drive 2015 Sierra I could see "all my files" in finder. I dragged it onto the desk top and it disappeared! I looked it up on Spotlight and it showed up but not the icon in Finder. I couldn't figure out a way to drag and drop so that it would show up on my internal HD.

I've got no idea what SuperDuper! has to do with this.

OK, you dragged "all my files" from 2015 Sierra on your external onto your desktop in Macintosh HD on your internal and it disappeared.

Where does Spotlight say it is? Does Spotlight have a "Show in Finder" option? Maybe if you right-click "all my files?"


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Re: Disc filling up
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Spotlight on my internal HD doesn't work after using OnyX. When I dragged the "all my files" off of Sierra 2015 Ex. hd, that disappeared off of my sidebar not to return. I still have "all my files" on my internal HD but it's empty. I had SuperDuper uploaded because I was hoping I could transfer files from the Ex Drive to my Internal HD via SuperDuper, but nope. Not sure what JoeMike meant by doing it the opposite way from loading onto the ex drive. I probably misunderstood. It's probably impossible to transfer anything from the external drive to my internal drive.





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I plugged in my external hd and brought up SuperDuper. When in ex. drive 2015 Sierra I could see "all my files" in finder. I dragged it onto the desk top and it disappeared! I looked it up on Spotlight and it showed up but not the icon in Finder. I couldn't figure out a way to drag and drop so that it would show up on my internal HD.

I've got no idea what SuperDuper! has to do with this.

OK, you dragged "all my files" from 2015 Sierra on your external onto your desktop in Macintosh HD on your internal and it disappeared.

Where does Spotlight say it is? Does Spotlight have a "Show in Finder" option? Maybe if you right-click "all my files?"


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Re: Disc filling up
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Originally Posted By: plantsower
Spotlight on my internal HD doesn't work after using OnyX. When I dragged the "all my files" off of Sierra 2015 Ex. hd, that disappeared off of my sidebar not to return. I still have "all my files" on my internal HD but it's empty. I had SuperDuper uploaded because I was hoping I could transfer files from the Ex Drive to my Internal HD via SuperDuper, but nope. Not sure what JoeMike meant by doing it the opposite way from loading onto the ex drive. I probably misunderstood. It's probably impossible to transfer anything from the external drive to my internal drive.

It sounds like you tried to drag "all my files" from your external to your internal by dragging the icon in your Finder sidebar.

That doesn't work, because the icons in your Finder sidebar are aliases to items, not the items themselves, and when you dragged the alias from your sidebar all you did was delete it while leaving the actual item it represented in its original location.

It's absolutely NOT impossible to drag & drop from your external to your internal. (I spent all of May, June, and July doing just that while engaged in a hair-tearing [don't ask] music importation project.)

Just go to wherever "all my files" actually lives on your external (~/Documents?) and drag it from there, and it should show up on your internal desktop exactly as expected.


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If I d/l Catalina will it take care of all my woes? Will it make spotlight work again? Will it find the files that have disappeared off my HD?

I expect that ANY system installation, including a reinstall of Sierra, will get Spotlight working again, but I very much doubt that it will find your missing files if they're truly missing. (See my post in your other thread.)


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Re: Disc filling up
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Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Since you have already erased the content of the other partitions, these instructions are for rebuilding your internal drive as Sierra only. Hopefully, you are not so short on Storage space this will work. 🤞

FOLLOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING STEPS IN EXACT SEQUENCE
  1. PREPARE THE EXTERNAL DRIVE
    1. Open Disk Utility
    2. in the Disk Utility sidebar, select the external DRIVE
    3. On the Disk Utility toolbar select Erase then Name: External, Format Mac OS Extended (Journaled), Scheme: GUID Partition Map
    4. Click Erase (This will effectively erase all content on your external drive, including any partitions.

Since Rita's reformatting her external, I'll suggest that this is the perfect time for her to partition it into 5 x 100 GB partitions and 1 x 500 GB partition as step 5.

The drive is a 1 TB drive, and without partitioning will be pretty much wasted, particularly considering that her internal is only 120 GB and her entire installation sounds like it's now only around 25 GB.

The 5 small partitions will be suitable for the forthcoming Sierra clone and any other OS's she may want to give test runs, and the large one will be perfect for Time Machine should she ever go that route.


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Joe Mike said to do the opposite to restore info from my ex drive to my HD but I'm not sure exactly how to do that. I'll look it up. I'll need to do that before I wipe it.

I said to do WHAT????

When and where did I say that? The last thing I wrote was a set of instructions intended to restore your internal drive to a bootable condition - period. IF you have a bootable copy of Sierra on your external drive and IF the missing files are present on that drive then that is a different situation than the one I was addressing and I need to write you a different set of instructions.

NOTE 1: I have no idea what OnyX has to do with any of this, but it is a useful tool IF AND ONLY IF the version used is the correct version for the MacOS version you are booted from. Using the incorrect version of OnyX, or any other such utility, has a potential for doing more harm than good. If you are booted into Sierra you should be using OnyX 3.1.1.

NOTE 2: I suspect the shortage of storage and the attendant shortage of memory that causes is the reason why Spotlight is not working. There simply are not enough resources available to create the Spotlight index.

NOTE 3: My objectives in rank order would be:
  1. Restore your internal drive to a workable status
  2. If possible, recover your missing files
  3. Once the first two are accomplished and if you desire to do so, upgrade your system to Catalina
In order for me to construct a set of instructions to accomplish those objectives, I need you to answer the following questions.
  • Yes or No -- do you have a bootable copy of Sierra on your external drive?
  • Yes or No -- have you booted from the external drive to verify that it is bootable?
  • what steps did you go through to boot from the external drive?
  • Yes or No -- when you are booted from the external drive, can you see the missing files?
  • Yes or No -- are the missing files on the external drive?
  • Yes or No -- do you want to restore the internal drive to a workable condition?
  • Yes or No -- Once the internal drive is restored to a workable condition, do you want to upgrade to Catalina?


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Above you said:
CLONE SIERRA BACK TO THE INTERNAL DRIVE
Reverse the process used in step II preceding.


I thought that's what you meant by putting things from the external back onto my internal HD.

If it would be easier to just d/l Catalina, I am probably going to do that. This is very confusing to me and way to many steps. So, easier?

Yes or No -- do you have a bootable copy of Sierra on your external drive?
Yes or No -- have you booted from the external drive to verify that it is bootable?
what steps did you go through to boot from the external drive?

I powered off my Mac, attached the external drive and then powered back on and went into Sierra 2015.

Yes or No -- when you are booted from the external drive, can you see the missing files?
Yes, but I found them via the sidebar on Finder. And as I told Artie I moved them, not knowing they were aliases, onto my desktop and they disappeared. I don't know how to find the originals. or No -- are the missing files on the external drive?
Yes or No -- do you want to restore the internal drive to a workable condition?
Yes if it takes a lot less steps. or No -- Once the internal drive is restored to a workable condition, do you want to upgrade to Catalina?

I used OnyX version 3.3.1. which is the correct version according to the OnyX website. I have Sierra 10.12.6.

Like I also told Artie, I am on vacation so it will have to wait until I get back.




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OKAY!

Given you have a bootable copy of Sierra on your external drive we can shortcut the process.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT GET AHEAD OF ME.

FOLLOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING STEPS IN EXACT SEQUENCE
  1. BOOT FROM THE EXTERNAL CLONE
    1. Attach your external drive to your computer
    2. While booted from the internal drive on your computer,
    3. Verify you have SuperDuper installed on the external drive
    4. if possible verify the missing files are on the external drive
    5. go to System Preferences > Startup Disk
    6. Select the Sierra 2015 as the boot drive
    7. Click on Restart (When this completes you should be booted from Sierra on the external drive)
  2. PREPARE THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    1. Open Disk Utility
    2. in the Disk Utility sidebar, select the internal drive DRIVE (Be sure you select the physical drive not one of the paartitions on the drive)
    3. On the Disk Utility tool bar select Erase then Name: Macintosh HD, Format Mac OS Extended (Journaled), Scheme: GUID Partition Map
    4. Click Erase (This will effectively erase all content on your internal drive and all partitions)
  3. CLONE SIERRA BACK TO THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    • I don't have SuperDuper as an exemplar but I believe you know how to use it correctly. Your target drive is labeled Macintosh HD
  4. BOOT FROM THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    1. While booted from the external drive go to System Preferences > Startup Disk
    2. Select Macintosh HD as the boot drive
    3. Click on Restart (when this completes you should be running Sierra from the internal drive on your computer and have a full 120GB available storage)
    4. If your missing files were on the eternal drive they will now e on your internal drive. If not, you should have had a backup system like Time Machine running regularly.
  5. IF YOU WISH TO UPGRADE TO CATALINA
    1. Open App Store
    2. Search for Catalina
    3. Click on Get
    4. Follow the on-screen instructions.
    5. Your computer screen will go blank several times and there will be excruciatingly long pauses but after 45 minutes or so...
    6. You will be prompted for your logon password and you will be running Catalina
      1. There will be a new folder on your desktop that you can ignore
      2. Your internal drive will have been converted to APFS and there will be four APFS volumes on your internal drive (all showing a capacity of 120GB -- I will explain what is going on if you are interested)
      3. As time goes on, you will find you need to approve all sorts of things as part of Catalina's increased security precautions
      4. You will need to immediately update OnyX, SuperSuper, and probably a few other applications.
      5. You will have entered the 21st century of Apple computing
      6. If you switch to Carbon Copy Cloner you can turn on APFS Snapshots which will provide some limited protection against inadvertent file loss.


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I don't exactly understand everything you meant (TYPICAL), but I will ask when actually I do this. I will do it when I get back from vacation. I didn't bring my external with me. Thanks, JoeMike. smile


Originally Posted By: joemikeb
OKAY!

Given you have a bootable copy of Sierra on your external drive we can shortcut the process.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT GET AHEAD OF ME.

FOLLOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING STEPS IN EXACT SEQUENCE
  1. BOOT FROM THE EXTERNAL CLONE
    1. Attach your external drive to your computer
    2. While booted from the internal drive on your computer,
    3. Verify you have SuperDuper installed on the external drive
    4. if possible verify the missing files are on the external drive
    5. go to System Preferences > Startup Disk
    6. Select the Sierra 2015 as the boot drive
    7. Click on Restart (When this completes you should be booted from Sierra on the external drive)
  2. PREPARE THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    1. Open Disk Utility
    2. in the Disk Utility sidebar, select the internal drive DRIVE (Be sure you select the physical drive not one of the paartitions on the drive)
    3. On the Disk Utility tool bar select Erase then Name: Macintosh HD, Format Mac OS Extended (Journaled), Scheme: GUID Partition Map
    4. Click Erase (This will effectively erase all content on your internal drive and all partitions)
  3. CLONE SIERRA BACK TO THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    • I don't have SuperDuper as an exemplar but I believe you know how to use it correctly. Your target drive is labeled Macintosh HD
  4. BOOT FROM THE INTERNAL DRIVE
    1. While booted from the external drive go to System Preferences > Startup Disk
    2. Select Macintosh HD as the boot drive
    3. Click on Restart (when this completes you should be running Sierra from the internal drive on your computer and have a full 120GB available storage)
    4. If your missing files were on the eternal drive they will now e on your internal drive. If not, you should have had a backup system like Time Machine running regularly.
  5. IF YOU WISH TO UPGRADE TO CATALINA
    1. Open App Store
    2. Search for Catalina
    3. Click on Get
    4. Follow the on-screen instructions.
    5. Your computer screen will go blank several times and there will be excruciatingly long pauses but after 45 minutes or so...
    6. You will be prompted for your logon password and you will be running Catalina
      1. There will be a new folder on your desktop that you can ignore
      2. Your internal drive will have been converted to APFS and there will be four APFS volumes on your internal drive (all showing a capacity of 120GB -- I will explain what is going on if you are interested)
      3. As time goes on, you will find you need to approve all sorts of things as part of Catalina's increased security precautions
      4. You will need to immediately update OnyX, SuperSuper, and probably a few other applications.
      5. You will have entered the 21st century of Apple computing
      6. If you switch to Carbon Copy Cloner you can turn on APFS Snapshots which will provide some limited protection against inadvertent file loss.


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[quote=plantsower]I don't exactly understand everything you meant (TYPICAL), but I will ask when actually I do this. I will do it when I get back from vacation. I didn't bring my external with me. Thanks, JoeMike. smile
I tried to write the steps in such a way that you would not have to understand them, but could simply follow the instructions. I may have you following a different procedure than you have used in the past for certain functions, but there is method in my madness. I have used processes intended to minimize the risks of...
  1. Misunderstanding
  2. Error
  3. Overthinking

When you get back and are ready to start...
  1. Print out the instructions (You will need the printed instructions because you won't be able to view them on your Mac during the process)
  2. Read them carefully
  3. BEFORE YOU BEGIN ask questions about anything you do not understand. (NOTE: I will answer questions about the process, but not the "why". I don't want to complicate the issue.)
  4. Please don't take shortcuts.


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Re: Disc filling up
joemikeb #55740 08/16/20 03:14 PM
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Thank you. My husband tells me things that he thinks are very understandable and I still have questions. It's because he knows things I don't, and I need clarification.

Anyway, I already have your procedure on my word processor but didn't think to print it out - duh! I will. I won't take shortcuts as I don't know what I am doing. You may be surprised at my questions as it all seems obvious to you, but I will ask them anyway before I start. And, believe it or not, I don't care about the why here, though in other life situations I always need to know why or I am apt not to do something. I trust you, and will do what you say once I understand it completely. Until then.... Rita

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Originally Posted By: joemikeb
[quote=plantsower]I don't exactly understand everything you meant (TYPICAL), but I will ask when actually I do this. I will do it when I get back from vacation. I didn't bring my external with me. Thanks, JoeMike. smile
I tried to write the steps in such a way that you would not have to understand them, but could simply follow the instructions. I may have you following a different procedure than you have used in the past for certain functions, but there is method in my madness. I have used processes intended to minimize the risks of...
  1. Misunderstanding
  2. Error
  3. Overthinking

When you get back and are ready to start...
  1. Print out the instructions (You will need the printed instructions because you won't be able to view them on your Mac during the process)
  2. Read them carefully
  3. BEFORE YOU BEGIN ask questions about anything you do not understand. (NOTE: I will answer questions about the process, but not the "why". I don't want to complicate the issue.)
  4. Please don't take shortcuts.


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Re: Disc filling up
plantsower #55812 08/27/20 11:44 PM
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I did a search about not finding "all my files" and found this on a forum and it worked!

"I found things returned to normal when I right clicked on AMF and selected "Show Search Criteria", I also had to select "This Mac" rather than All My Files. After that it displayed my files."

I still can't search those files using Spotlight, but at least I can see them now.

I am getting ready to go over your (JoeMike) new instructions to help me migrate to Catalina. Today or tomorrow, hopefully, I will be able to ask my questions and get clarification so I can do it without making mistakes.

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Originally Posted By: plantsower
I posted recently about all the things that are going wrong with my Mac, including Spotlight not working anymore nor "all my files" showing up after I used OnyX. Terminal is acting wonky, too. All since I ran OnyX which I will delete after this.

If I d/l Catalina will it take care of all my woes? Will it make spotlight work again? Will it find the files that have disappeared off my HD?

Thanks. frown


Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Artie is dead right on. You still have 120 GB on your drive, but you have cut it up into three partitions.. You are trying to run three operating systems on a drive that is big enough for one.

It is time to fish or cut bait. You need to either move on to Catalina, or make the decision to stick with Sierra until you buy a new Mac. Artie said to clone Macintosh HD to your external drive. My recommendation is to make a choice between Sierra or Catalina, (I strongly encourage Catalina). Tell me what your decision is and I can give you specific step-by-sep instructions from there, that will minimize any risk in the process of eliminating the other two operating systems, as well as th disk full error.


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