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#5248 - 10/23/09 03:51 PM ZFS "Steved"
Hal Itosis Offline


Registered: 09/03/09
Loc: 10.6.8 (build 10K549)

Apple shuts down ZFS open source project

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Well, i had planned on writing more... but somehow this message posted itself, while i was still typing.
What's going on here?

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#5249 - 10/23/09 04:06 PM Re: ZFS "Steved" [Re: Hal Itosis]
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I suppose you hit the magic key... smirk
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#5251 - 10/23/09 04:30 PM Re: ZFS "Steved" [Re: alternaut]
Pendragon Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Georgetown, Texas, USA
Alas, there is much of this I still don’t understand or appreciate.

From a practical perspective, what affect will this have on Mac users and the growth of the Mac community?
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#5253 - 10/23/09 04:38 PM Re: ZFS "Steved" [Re: Hal Itosis]
dkmarsh Offline
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Registered: 08/04/09

Well, let's see...

If you check Safari -> Preferences -> Advanced, you'll notice that there's a Press Tab to highlight each item on a webpage checkbox. Furthermore, although it's a little ambiguous, you'll note that if you don't have that checkbox checked, Option-Tab will produce the same result.

In any event, when you're typing a reply in the text-entry box, the Submit button turns out to be the next item in the Tab queue (bonus points if you can figure out what determines the order of items in that queue). Dollars to donuts you hit an inadvertent Tab or Option-Tab while typing—thus highlighting the Submit button—then hit Return, thus effectively clicking the Submit button.

Elementary, my dear Itosis. smirk


Edited by dkmarsh (10/23/09 04:50 PM)
Edit Reason: added body of post
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#5259 - 10/23/09 07:22 PM Re: ZFS "Steved" [Re: dkmarsh]
Hal Itosis Offline


Registered: 09/03/09
Loc: 10.6.8 (build 10K549)
Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
Furthermore, although it's a little ambiguous, you'll note that if you don't have that checkbox checked, Option-Tab will produce the same result.
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Dollars to donuts you hit an inadvertent Tab or Option-Tab while typing—thus highlighting the Submit button—then hit Return, thus effectively clicking the Submit button.

Option-tab then return (or enter) seems like the "magic" needed (as my pref has that tab feature unchecked). Funny that's never happened before in probably some 20,000 posts (including other sites) over a decade. But -- since it's at least possible things could have happened that way -- i'll just accept your theory. [it felt kinda eerie too... let's save that 'ghost in the machine' stuff for next weekend. wink ]

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#5261 - 10/23/09 07:34 PM Re: ZFS "Steved" [Re: Pendragon]
Hal Itosis Offline


Registered: 09/03/09
Loc: 10.6.8 (build 10K549)
Originally Posted By: Pendragon
From a practical perspective, what affect will this have on Mac users and the growth of the Mac community?

I'm not sure, really.

The effect on me (and probably others) was mostly one of surprise. ZFS was initially rumored to arrive in 10.5 i think... but it never materialized. One advantage of ZFS was supposed be even fewer data loss issues due to filesystem corruption (i think), so that part sounded real good.


It was just weird because a lot of folks got all psyched up waiting for it to get here (helped along by a few pages at apple.com over the past 2 years or so), and then this week: POOF... all gone.

Reminds me a bit of OpenDoc.


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#5270 - 10/24/09 04:09 AM Re: ZFS "Steved" [Re: Hal Itosis]
crarko Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Minnesota USA
I think this got doomed the day Oracle bought Sun. Jobs and Ellison must not be best buds any more.
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#5311 - 10/25/09 02:53 PM Re: ZFS "Steved" [Re: Hal Itosis]
MicroMatTech3 Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
The AppleInsider article is a good one, but does not make it clear how close the features of ZFS and BTRFS were becoming. It does make sense not to develop both, especially if it is true that ZFS has patent dispute issues:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs
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#5321 - 10/25/09 07:54 PM Re: ZFS "Steved" [Re: MicroMatTech3]
Hal Itosis Offline


Registered: 09/03/09
Loc: 10.6.8 (build 10K549)
Some links i picked up in another thread...

... on how the problem was likely a matter of licensing: "Apple cans ZFS project" [zfs-discuss archives at opensolaris.org]

... on how Apple will probably roll their own FS (eventually): "The loss of ZFS"

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#5322 - 10/25/09 08:35 PM Re: ZFS "Steved" [Re: Hal Itosis]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Thanks. I feel less of a sense of loss and more optimism for the future after reading that blog posting.
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