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#50947 - 01/18/19 01:45 PM Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with
kevs Offline


Registered: 12/07/09
prefer the old white keyboards (like G5 came with)

I had a source for new ones, but they closed.

I found a guy on ebay who sells refurbished, and asked him if they work on new imacs and he said, he does not think so, but I can return it within 30 days.. (what kind of lame response is that?)

The 'new' old ones I would buy work fine on my new 27" imac, but I thought I would ask this ebay guy anyway.

Anyone else know, and like old white keyboards?

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#50951 - 01/18/19 03:27 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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Registered: 08/04/09
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I'm using the old white keyboard (plastic keys) with my 2014 iMac; no problems.
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#50956 - 01/18/19 05:49 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: jchuzi]
kevs Offline


Registered: 12/07/09
Thanks Jon, cool. Don't you find they are way better than today's keyboards?

Only thing: I had a place for last 10 years that sold brand new ones for $50. They gone now. Only places I can find are shady places on ebay.. refurbished etc..

Do you have a recommendation?

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#50958 - 01/19/19 04:06 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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I like the old keyboard better also. I have a new wired one with the metal chiclet keys but I prefer the feel of the old one. Unfortunately, I don't know of any sources for the old one.
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#50964 - 01/19/19 01:53 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: jchuzi]
kevs Offline


Registered: 12/07/09
Thanks Jon, ok, I think it's worth it to risk with refurbished. Yes, metal chicletet, good phrase, cant' stand them, though I could adjust I suppose.

I found this, new and even cheaper than some of the refurbished/ used, but my hunch is it's not 1/2 as good as the old white Apples, your opinion?


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GBTZYLN/ref...44-c1f675b879f4

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#50965 - 01/19/19 02:41 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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Loc: New York State
I have no experience with keyboards other than Apple. Still, the Macally looks good and the price is cheap enough to take chance. Personally, I would give it a try.

My 2¢.
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#50973 - 01/20/19 11:55 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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Couldn't agree more! I like a keyboard that feels more like a ELECTRIC TYPEWRITER. Remember those?

I found a keyboard in 2010 which is pretty close to the feel of the old Mac ones.

https://www.daskeyboard.com

The one I have is most like their current "Model 4 Ultimate" . . . no characters printed on the keys. It has that old "clickety-clack" sound, too. And because there are no markings to cheat with, no one touches my computer. grin

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#50974 - 01/20/19 03:07 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: MG2009]
kevs Offline


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MG, that one is 4x price of even old Apples, you have certain need for it... But why not try used old Apple from Ebay, old g4, g5 white, used/ or refurbished? What think of Mcnally?

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#50982 - 01/21/19 07:01 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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Price wasn't the main thing for me.

I like that the keys have NO markings on them. Did Apple produce a keyboard with unmarked keys? I still have the keyboard that came with the G5 computer in 2006, but the keys are labelled.

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#50985 - 01/22/19 05:51 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: MG2009]
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I have seen blank keycaps for sale to schools for teaching typing/keyboarding skills as well as stickers to cover the letters on the keys, but I don't recall ever seeing keyboards sold with blank keys.
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#50986 - 01/22/19 08:26 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: joemikeb]
kevs Offline


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Zero interest in that keyboard, don't even get it..

but Joe, your opinion on the old G4 G5 white keyboards vs today's?

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#50987 - 01/22/19 09:51 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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I learned a long time ago that keyboards and keyboard preferences are highly individualistic and what might be a great keyboard for one person can be an anathema to another. I have also learned that keyboard styles are a bit of an acquired taste and a particular key touch that you didn't like at first can grow on you to become your new favorite, but that can take several months to happen.

I got the previously mentioned Matias keyboard on the promise that it had a touch similar to the often lamented IBM keyboard. Similar touch maybe, but either memory and reality were not the same or my tastes have changed because I was almost glad when it began throwing errors as it gave me an excuse to get a new keyboard.

The point is I really like my Apple Extended Magic keyboard and I have quit looking back to "great keyboards of the past" at least in part because my memories of keyboards past is perhaps surrounded in a rosy glow.
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#50988 - 01/22/19 10:07 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: joemikeb]
kevs Offline


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Joe, thanks, you are using the current chicklet new Macs? You don't feel it's too flat and odd feeling, as opposed to old white one that had old "normal" tactile feel? I've typed on the flat chiclet, I don't like them, but you think that after a few months it would feel as comfortable as old whites?

I think the main thing is they don't get dirty, whereas the whites get dust and collect dirt underneath.. but feel of them so odd.

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#50989 - 01/22/19 10:23 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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I am using the current chicklet keyboard. Yes white does get dirty looking, but that is what keyboard cleaning swabs are for. The black keys or keyboards get just as dirty you just don't see it. Yes, as I said before, I wish there was more tilt but I have become accustomed to is being so flat (there are stands available and one would be easy enough to fabricate if it really bothered me that much, but hasn't been worth the cost or effort. The "Magic" keyboards have not had the problems that recent MacBook Pro keyboards have suffered from and in fact have a bit longer key travel. (I can vouch for that as I am using a "Magic" keyboard paired with a MacBook Pro so both are immediately at hand.)

CAVEAT:

This is MY experience and I make no assertion yours WILL be the same. I am hypothesizing yours MAY be similar. This is a situation where taste/preferences/choices are highly individualistic.
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#50990 - 01/22/19 12:04 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: joemikeb]
kevs Offline


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Thanks Joe, absolutely, don't worry, I would never write back, hey I got this, and I don't like it, ughhh!

But you were happy and accustomed to the old white, non chicklets and like others found the chicklets annoying, and after months find them fine now?
(is that accurate? not sure.. taking liberties)

What call non chicklets..? White style old ones.

Interesting, "maybe' I will go with modern chicklets. Lot easier to replace, than old whites- I had this great supplier for years for brand new $50 G5 keyboards, brand new, I would buy 2 at a time, now closed. So it's now used or refurbished, and who knows if they are good.

Your opinion on buy those used old whites on ebay etc?

Your Opinon on: this faux version.. seem ok, but my guess is that it's not same feel:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GBTZYLN/ref...44-c1f675b879f4

As far as chicklet, If I adjust and go that route, I will get the long keyboard, this is good no? seems to be real Apple.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Apple-Aluminu...AiABEgIinfD_BwE

I still prefer wired.

This Matias seems to be a perfect Apple clone, but then why but it if you can still get the real Apple at Walmart?
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Matias/F...mp;gclsrc=aw.ds

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#50991 - 01/22/19 12:57 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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Originally Posted By: kevs
Thanks Joe, absolutely, don't worry, I would never write back, hey I got this, and I don't like it, ughhh!

I just don't want to claim myself as the "universal user" in an area that is so idiosyncratic. wink

Originally Posted By: kevs
But you were happy and accustomed to the old white, non chicklets and like others found the chicklets annoying, and after months find them fine now?
(is that accurate? not sure.. taking liberties)

What call non chicklets..? White style old ones.

Correct on both.

Originally Posted By: kevs
Your opinion on buy those used old whites on ebay etc?

I can't speak to those directly as I have never purchased or used any of them. However, I do know that a lot of the used equipment for sale on Ebay comes from corporations and large offices and have seen a LOT of use. I did work for a short while with a company that "saved money" by buying used computer equipment. Which we hauled to the trash after two weeks.

Originally Posted By: kevs
Your Opinon on: this faux version.. seem ok, but my guess is that it's not same feel:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GBTZYLN/ref...44-c1f675b879f4

I have no basis for comparison other than a price of A$30 in a very competitive market where good keyboards typically $70 to $100 or more. However, at the price it might be worth a try as it is cheap enough that you could discard it without feeling bad. But I don't know what your financial pain threshold is.

Originally Posted By: kevs
As far as chicklet, If I adjust and go that route, I will get the long keyboard, this is good no? seems to be real Apple.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Apple-Aluminu...AiABEgIinfD_BwE

I still prefer wired.

My desk is crowded enough without the wires and the current generation of bluetooth is far superior to the previous iterations but there again that is personal choice. That is a genuine Apple keyboard. I would say current generation, but Apple no longer builds (or at least sells in the United States) wired keyboard having gone over entirely to Magic (Bluetooth) keyboards and trackpads.


Originally Posted By: kevs
This Matias seems to be a perfect Apple clone, but then why but it if you can still get the real Apple at Walmart?
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Matias/F...mp;gclsrc=aw.ds

I would not. (The Matias keyboard I had claimed an IBM keyboard touch.)


Edited by joemikeb (01/22/19 01:00 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling error
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#50992 - 01/22/19 02:43 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: joemikeb]
kevs Offline


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Joe, funny just realized, reading your response, did not remember— The only reason I prefer wired is because those old white one are only wired!

If I do bail on them and go, with modern chicklet, then yeah, no need. (My logictech mouse with 6 buttons is still a wired version though. Should see if they make that one wireless too...) Don't like the Apple mouse with just right/ left click only.

ON subject of wireless, yeah,does that ever glitch up?
The technology has improved on that..? Have not been following it..

Did not understand this "I would not. (The Matias keyboard I had claimed an IBM keyboard touch.)"... You are saying don't bother with Matias.. an IBM..? did not get that..

If you have any other full keyboard recommendations let me know. Actually, I'll start searching for the wireless version of the Apple long one... if that exist...

Thanks for the tips on old whites.. yeah, I'm done. I was able to replace them brand new up to a year ago. The used versions as you say are not worth it.

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#50993 - 01/22/19 06:04 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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Originally Posted By: kevs
If I do bail on them and go, with modern chicklet, then yeah, no need. (My logictech mouse with 6 buttons is still a wired version though. Should see if they make that one wireless too...) Don't like the Apple mouse with just right/ left click only.

I gave up on any mouse or trackball a few years ag and have happily used either a trackpad and for detailed drawing the Apple Pen on my iPad linked to the Mac ever since. I give the trackpad credit for reducing any tendencies toward another round of carpal-tunnel syndrome. My hand and especially my wrist do not move nearly as much which reduces stress. Admittedly the trackpad did take more than a little getting used to, but now I can't imagine going back to either a mouse or trackball.

Originally Posted By: kevs
ON subject of wireless, yeah,does that ever glitch up?
The technology has improved on that..? Have not been following it..

The only glitch I have encountered has been with a device that still uses the older Bluetooth standard. When the computer/device and attached device are both using the new bluetooth standard I have not had a glitch. (Knock on wood)

Originally Posted By: kevs
Did not understand this "I would not. (The Matias keyboard I had claimed an IBM keyboard touch.)"... You are saying don't bother with Matias.. an IBM..? did not get that..

Sorry I wasn't clear, I started re-word that sentence, sorry is wasn't clear. I meant that I would not get the Matias keyboard if it were a clone of the Apple Keyboard. I bought the Matias keyboard because it claimed to at least have the touch of the old IBM keyboard not because it was an Apple clone.

Originally Posted By: kevs
If you have any other full keyboard recommendations let me know. Actually, I'll start searching for the wireless version of the Apple long one... if that exist…

The keyboard I am using is a wireless version of the Apple Extended keyboard and is currently available from Apple and authorized Apple distributors.
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#50994 - 01/22/19 06:49 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: joemikeb]
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Wow, next time I'm in Apple store with look at the trackpad again. I tested in just once year ago and quickly and dismissed it. Too non intuitive. I have a Wacom table for years for Photoshop and it's great in there, but I hate it outside PS. (I know others are ok with it 24/ 7) What is the best things about the trackpad?

What is the new blootooth standard called? My 2 year old 27" imac should probably be ok. I suppose my 5 years old Macbook air then wont.

Matias, ok coincidence, I was just posting an option for the old white one, had no idea you even had ever heard of Matias!

"The keyboard I am using is a wireless version of the Apple Extended keyboard"

Extended you mean with numeric Keyboard?

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ052LL/A/magic-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad-us-english-silver

Anyway, great info. I'm going to use up my final two old white ones up-- they last a couple of years and are new --on 27" and macbook air w/ display-- and then finally enter the new world with magic extended and investigate finally wireless mouses or who knows...I'll hear your answer on trackpad. Thanks.




Edited by kevs (01/22/19 06:51 PM)

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#50996 - 01/23/19 05:40 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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Yes the Apple Extended keyboard has a numeric keypad, separate navigation keys (up, down, left right, page up, page down home, end, fn, forward delete, and 19 — coping 'em 19" function keys.

As to what I like about the trackpad:
  • Gestures: there are eleven different gestures some identical to those used on the iPhone and iPad and others unique to MacOS that I use many times each day if not each hour including swiping between full screen apps, mission control, and App Exposé. Each with a single unique gesture
  • With the trackpad the heel of my hand remains firmly fixed on the desktop and all that movement is in the fingertips. This virtually eliminates any carpal-tunnel stress.
  • the trackpad does not move on the desk so no mouse pad is needed
  • the trackpad software in MacOS allows you to customize the touch to a degree not possiblewith either a mouse or trackball
  • Since the trackpad itself never moves my hand automatically moves to the correct place to use it without even a glance. More than once the trackpad has gotten displaced and the cursor won't move because I am gesturing on the actual desktop, not the trackpad. laugh
  • FWIW I much prefer my magic trackpad location to the right of the magic keyoard to the MacBook Pro's trackpad location at the bottom center of the MacBook keyboard.
  • Inherently the trackpad offers far more ability and functionality than a mouse or trackball is reasonably capable of.
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#50999 - 01/23/19 11:02 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: joemikeb]
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Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I learned a long time ago that keyboards and keyboard preferences are highly individualistic and what might be a great keyboard for one person can be an anathema to another.

And then there are those of us who get by with forefingers only and don't worry about angles, sounds, et cetera. The keys could be mounted on a cardboard box and it'd be fine. Peck, peck, peck.
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#51000 - 01/23/19 11:52 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: joemikeb]
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Thanks Joe, with notate that info!
I'm still early for the trackpad.. but taking notes...

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#51003 - 01/23/19 03:17 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
MG2009 Offline


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Re: " . . . don't even get it . . . "


A Google search will explain it to you in detail.

Simply put: One is FORCED to learn to type without looking at the keyboard. Looking down interrupts the flow and, therefore, slows down the typing. Conversely, not having to look at the keys' letters/numbers maintains the speed because one just keeps his/her eyes on the monitor while typing.

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#51004 - 01/23/19 03:30 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: MG2009]
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sorry MG did not understand a word. Was there a link you forgot to post?

Final Joe, if you know, if not, I'll find out... the name of the new Bluetooth standard for the new magic keyboards, and do you think it could work great with a 2012 macbook air/ and 2017 27"

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#51005 - 01/23/19 06:07 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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Assuming your 2017 27" is an iMac then it has Bluetooth 4.2, your 2012 MacBook Air has Bluetooth 4.0, and the Magoc keyboard according to Apple has bluetooth with no specified version that I could find. Because of its low power consumption I would be inclined to believe it is Bluetooth 4.2. My experience is with Bluetooth 4.2 and it is excellent.

The latest Apple PowerBook Pros have Bluetooth 5, but the current iMacs are still using Bluetooth 4.2.

This Wikipedia article will explain the differences in the various versions. But assuming Bluetooth 4.0 or later, you should not have any problems.
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#51006 - 01/23/19 08:05 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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There was no link. A general search on Google will explain why looking at one's keyboard to find the letters slows down typing.

The point of unmarked (or covered over) keys is that there is no benefit in looking away from the monitor to look down at the keys to "cheat." It takes time to learn to type with "DasKeyboard Ultimate" (or the like), but for those for whom speed is important, the effort is worth it in the long run. One looks at the type appear onscreen and not at the fingers or keys.

Back in the olden days: Steno pools were rooms filled with typists. Rarely would one see a typist looking at the keyboard or the paper in the typewriter. The eyes were fixed on the source document or book that was being typed onto paper.

i.e. Unmarked keyboard = the same concept for the computer age. laugh


P.S. But getting back to the point of the OP who preferred the G5 keyboard . . .

I wanted a keyboard that had a look and feel more like the electric IBM typewriters I grew up with. I went with DasKeyboard because it met those requirements and reminded of the G5 keyboard's behaviour. As a bonus, it provided a way to learn to type faster. (Note: Stickers or paint over the G5 keyboard markings would have achieved a similar goal, but DasKeyboard offered me the opportunity without having to mark or damage the original G5 keyboard.)

DISCLAIMER : I am not paid to endorse this product nor do I own stock in the company. Just my 2-bits worth.

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#51007 - 01/23/19 08:08 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: joemikeb]
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ok Joe then even my Macbook Air is good to go... ok, when these white ones wear out I'll most likely be going wireless...Thanks.

Final Is wireless the main attraction for you to bail on your previous comfort zone of white non chicklets (you could found a faux white like a McNally.), or you just wanted be current.. any other benefits to the magic keyboard besides being wireless?

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#51008 - 01/23/19 08:47 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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MG, did not see your post. Your side thread has been going over my head..but sounds interesting. This Daskeyboard does what? Don't get it yet...
I've been typing qwerty since 11 years old, so I don't need to look at keys...

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#51009 - 01/24/19 06:31 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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Originally Posted By: kevs
Final Is wireless the main attraction for you to bail on your previous comfort zone of white non chicklets (you could found a faux white like a McNally.), or you just wanted be current.. any other benefits to the magic keyboard besides being wireless?

I actually wore out my non-chiclets keyboard then I went through a series of Apple and non-Apple keyboards trying to find the perfect keyboard, and wireless was a significant criteria. I still have an Apple wireless keyboard that uses flashlight batteries tucked away in a drawer somewhere, along with a standard Magic keyboard. At one point I had a standard Apple wireless keyboard (the one with flashlight batteries), a Belkin numeric keypad, and an Apple battery powered wireless trackpad lined up across the front of my desk. Magic eliminated the flashlight batteries in favor of a much longer lasting builtin lithium battery and Bluetooth 4.2, but was only available in the standard size. The Matias wireless extended keyboard relegated the Belkin numeric keypad to the junk bin. By the time the Matias failed, Apple had introduced the Magic extended keyboard and the Magic trackpad. That is where I am today. More evolution than revolution.
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#51010 - 01/24/19 09:30 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: joemikeb]
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Thanks Joe, yeah I knew Apple had an extended (I think), non chicklet flat for a long time no?.. but have not been paying attention to "magic". All of Apple non checklits have always been wireless/ bluetooth no? And how long has the word magic been in the mix and what does magic correspond too? (new version of bluetooth?).. which is just better/ more stable bluetooth?

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#51011 - 01/24/19 11:16 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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Simple concept, really. I know no other way to explain what I mean. Check out their website. Perhaps the info there will be clearer to you than what I have provided.

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#51013 - 01/25/19 07:07 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: joemikeb]
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And Joe, if you know/ have any links to good products that raise the magic keyboards to the height of old whites please send...!
(I'm sure a piece of wood underneath could achieve that- but a dedicated product is always nice to see). Have you gotten used to the super flat feel too, or raise height?

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#51061 - 02/04/19 11:24 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: kevs]
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I haven't read every post. I wanted to comment on the subject. Much has to to with what you learned on. Your experience, your frame of reference.

When I was in high school, I was ridiculed for enrolling in typing class. The perception was it was a class for girls and dumb kids (and dumb girls). In the vernacular: "a blow-off class". But I enjoyed writing. And I enjoyed typing. When I was an even younger kid, I liked to plunk around on Mom's manual typewriter which she had used in college. If you want young people to see how lucky they are, put them in front of a manual typewriter. That's a workout. But Mom never got any pain from it.

So I didn't mind learning on an IBM Selectric typewriter in school. You think the Model M was loud? That was a loud room, that typing class, with 30 electric typewriters plugged in and humming away. I liked that typewriters made an impression on the page. I printed my college thesis on a laser printer. Although I used acid free paper, the type began to fade after a few years.

In the 1990s I worked for a brief time at a newspaper. I used a Model M, which I still consider the best keyboard I have used because of the snappiness of the keys. I typed faster on that than on any keyboard I have used. My moronic co-workers were convinced I had lied on my resume about my typing speed and other things. The speed I gave was actually pretty low, but that didn't matter. They were idiots. When they saw me type on these Model M keyboards, they were shocked. So I guess I proved my point.

But you know my hands and wrists did get tired, so although the Model M is considered "best" by many, it isn't ergonomic. Progress has been made in that area. I look forward to trying some new keyboards.

For those of us who learned on real typewriters, computer keyboards have never felt like real typing, with the possible exception of the Model M.

I'm using a $150 Matias Quiet Pro now, but a key cap popped off again after three months, and the keys, though somewhat clacky, still have some mushiness to them. For some reason, I type badly on this keyboard. The left side slides around the table. I don't know why it's so hard to make four rubber feet for a keyboard to keep it from sliding. I don't consider it a $150 keyboard. Fifty maybe.

For a long time I was using the Logitech K120 (?) sold at Office Depot for $12 or $15 dollars. Although it was a membrane keyboard, it had a surprisingly good feel to it. Problem was, every few months the paint would wear off the key caps. After going through about four of them, I realized it made just as much sense to spend more money on a high quality keyboard.

I'm still looking. Poor quality is a sign of the times. There are all kinds of ways to make a bad keyboard. Aren't people clever?
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#51062 - 02/04/19 02:53 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: deniro]
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Originally Posted By: deniro
When I was in high school, I was ridiculed for enrolling in typing class. The perception was it was a class for girls and dumb kids……

I never took typing but, in retrospect, if there is one “girls’ skill” that would have been great to learn….it was shorthand. Taking notes, in the many, many meetings I’ve attended, would have been a breeze.

Originally Posted By: deniro
The left side slides around the table. I don't know why it's so hard to make four rubber feet for a keyboard to keep it from sliding.

You should pop by a carpet shop. They have a rubbery mesh that goes under carpets to keep them from sliding on wood floors. Perhaps they’d have a spare bit you could just take. Or, you could probably use rubber coated shelf liner.


Edited by ryck (02/04/19 02:58 PM)
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#51063 - 02/04/19 03:59 PM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: ryck]
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Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
Originally Posted By: Dinero
When I was in high school, I was ridiculed for enrolling in typing class. The perception was it was a class for girls and dumb kids (and dumb girls). In the vernacular: "a blow-off class".

It is all in the name.

In a Fortune 100 company where I worked, when executives and managers began to get terminals on their desks (this preceded PCs by several years), the training branch began offering class in Typing and they were a total flop. So we changed the title of the course to "Keyboarding" and the classes immediately filled up. Then we we began receiving complaints that managers and executives did not like attending classes with the clerical personnel. So once again back to the course catalog where we began offering the same curriculum, with the same instructors, under the title: Management Computing Skills.
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#51064 - 02/05/19 01:34 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: deniro]
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Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: North of 49th ||
As long as we're going down memory lane ...

Originally Posted By: deniro
... Although I used acid free paper, the type began to fade after a few years.

In the early '60s, given that it was a real bitch to make typing corrections, I used Eaton's Corrasable Bond paper for essays. It allowed for easy erasure of typing errors with a regular rubber pencil eraser. By the same token it also had the distinct drawback of allowing the typed material to come off on one's fingers and so needed to 'cure' for about a week prior to handing in said essays. The upside was that one was a week ahead of the game.

Originally Posted By: deniro
For those of us who learned on real typewriters ....

In 10th grade it was clear that typewriting skills would be highly advantageous if one were going to proceed in academe.
I was the only male in the class. We used monstrous manual clunkers (but never got so-called carpal tunnel syndrome). I still can't touch-type the top row blindfolded.

In the mid-'70s — jumping ahead to my time in academe — I bought an IBM Correcting Selectric II typewriter (with sound reduction option) and gradually accumulated another half-dozen typing elements (dancing balls). Since then I've had to have some minor repairs done — which has become harder and harder to do since no one repairs the suckers any more — and am still using it on a daily basis.

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#51065 - 02/05/19 01:47 AM Re: Prefer the old white keyboards -like G5 came with [Re: ryck]
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Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: North of 49th ||
Originally Posted By: deniro
The left side slides around the table. I don't know why it's so hard to make four rubber feet for a keyboard to keep it from sliding.

Originally Posted By: ryck
You should pop by a carpet shop. They have a rubbery mesh that goes under carpets to keep them from sliding on wood floors.

You could also fashion your own non-skid feet by applying a thin dab of silicone rubber to your keyboard's feet; it's self-leveling, so the keyboard won't rock once it cures.

Also a warning: Be very cautious about using rubber-backed non-slip carpets or carpet pads on any type of linoleum. A chemical reaction will occur over time — much like happens with spilled mustard or orange soda or crepe shoe soles — leaving a particularly ugly 'stain' which cannot be removed (other than by replacing the linoleum). Certain other plastics have the same problem (which will not be on the label).

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#51083 - 02/07/19 11:54 AM Stabilizing Keyboards [Re: ryck]
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Registered: 08/05/09
Re: "You should pop by a carpet shop. They have a rubbery mesh that goes under carpets to keep them from sliding on wood floors."


The "dollar stores" often sell this material in smaller bits - usually sold as drawer liner or the like. Easy to cut to any size or shape.

P.S. Also great for getting a good grip on opening the lid of a jar for the first time.


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