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#49692 - 08/08/18 11:10 AM Purchase quandry: new hardware/32bit software
freelance Offline


Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: London, UK
I had to be careful not to steal/get confused with deniro's thread title...

My late-2010 Mac Pro 5,1 is eight years old. It's a wonderful machine and is running perfectly. However, it won't last too much longer, I fear, and an iMac will replace it.

Here's my question:

When Apple announce the launch of Mojave and their latest updates of the iMacs, do you think any computer delivered after that will only launch in Mojave? Do you think Apple will still allow High Sierra to be installed?

I have Adobe 5 CS. Photoshop will work in Mojave, because it is 64-bit. But InDesign won't, and all of my documents are in InDesign. I tried opening one of them in LibreOffice and it was no go.

So, I'm wondering if it's worth buying an iMac now and just leave it in the box until my Mac Pro fails, rather than risk having to buy a machine that won't run my software.

Thoughts, please?
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#49695 - 08/08/18 12:34 PM Re: Purchase quandry: new hardware/32bit software [Re: freelance]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
If you buy now, the new Mac will come pre-loaded with High Sierra. If you wait until Mojave is officially released, it will probably only run Mojave or later. That has been Apple's past practice.
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#49696 - 08/08/18 02:36 PM Re: Purchase quandry: new hardware/32bit software [Re: jchuzi]
freelance Offline


Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: London, UK
I think I've grabbed the wrong end of this particular stick... I can't get Mojave to run on my Mac Pro, because the GPU is not Metal-compatible. I didn't want to spend the money on a GPU upgrade, because I don't want to put more money in this old Mac.

I just read that Mojave is the last OS that will support 32-bit applications, not High Sierra, so InDesign CS5 should run in Mojave after the initial warning about 32-bit apps. Right?

If that's the case, I can just wait until my Mac Pro packs up before I buy the iMac. I just won't be able to upgrade the OS beyond 10.14.

Mind, in High Sierra, I've already had to change file names or delete certain folders to get Photoshop and InDesign to run. I suppose there will be more mods to be done in Mojave. Oh, dear...
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#49702 - 08/09/18 08:59 AM Re: Purchase quandry: new hardware/32bit software [Re: freelance]
Ira L Offline


Registered: 08/13/09
Loc: California
Given your situation, I'm not sure I would wait to buy new hardware. You already are doing work-arounds to get Photoshop and InDesign to run in 10.13. Who knows what would be required in Mojave?

At least with new hardware you would once again be in the queue for future OS system upgrades, should you choose to do so. I just think you have more options now (beginning with 10.13). If you wait you could be forced to go with 10.14 or later.

Then again, I have no problem spending your money. wink
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#49705 - 08/09/18 12:02 PM Re: Purchase quandry: new hardware/32bit software [Re: freelance]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
Originally Posted By: freelance
I just read that Mojave is the last OS that will support 32-bit applications, not High Sierra, so InDesign CS5 should run in Mojave after the initial warning about 32-bit apps. Right?

Yes, but (don't you hate that word?) — I have a few remaining 32 bit apps running under the Mojave beta 4/5 and while they do run, some features run very slowly. Specifically OCR apps that used to process a document in under half a minute now take several minutes to process the same size document. Since OCR is very processor intensive, unless there is a change between now and Mojave release I suspect the same would be true of any processor intensive 32 bit app — which I believe would include both Photoshop and InDesign.

You might want to keep that in mind when making your decision.

Originally Posted By: freelance
Mind, in High Sierra, I've already had to change file names or delete certain folders to get Photoshop and InDesign to run. I suppose there will be more mods to be done in Mojave. Oh, dear...

I have not needed to change any filenames or folders for any other app in either High Sierra or Mojave, but then I don't have either Photoshop or Mojave on my system. Other than poor software design and/or coding practices, I am at a loss to imagine why the OS version would effect file and/or folder names regardless of the app confused
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#49706 - 08/09/18 12:37 PM Re: Purchase quandry: new hardware/32bit software [Re: joemikeb]
deniro Offline


Registered: 09/09/09
https://www.techradar.com/news/macos-1014

Here's an article.

When I was looking, and when I buy anything, the first question is how much money do I want to spend. I said I would spend a maximum of $500 if I found a good deal, and I did.

I'm not sure there's a downside to waiting, whereas with new computers who knows what Apple has up its sleeve?

I still think that down the road I will build a PC as long as Apple continues to prevent their computers from being upgraded. With what I've learned about fonts in the past week, I hope to be able to see the native resolution of a monitor before buying it. Microsoft seems to have solved the "fonts in large LED monitors" better than Apple. Based on my reading of the internet, the responses to Retina monitors run the gamut from "This is how it's supposed to work" to "What have I done?"



Edited by deniro (08/09/18 12:45 PM)
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#49709 - 08/10/18 01:36 AM Re: Purchase quandry: new hardware/32bit software [Re: joemikeb]
freelance Offline


Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: London, UK
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Yes, but (don't you hate that word?)

Thanks for that... I had just decided to spend my money on something else. Hmmm...

Photoshop and InDesign had a "crash on quit" problem in High Sierra that was solved by adding .bak to one folder and moving another (amazing what you can find on the internet). I no longer do anything processor intensive, so I'm not too worried about that aspect. I would like to have the latest equipment when I spend the money, so I think I'll wait until the end of October and see what shakes.

I've even had a look at the Mac Mini and wondered if that's all I need these days.

Thanks, all, for your input.
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#49710 - 08/10/18 07:32 AM Re: Purchase quandry: new hardware/32bit software [Re: freelance]
ryck Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Okanagan Valley
Originally Posted By: freelance
I just read that Mojave is the last OS that will support 32-bit applications, not High Sierra....

But maybe just so-so....in this link Apple says:

“Apple began the transition to 64-bit hardware and software technology for Mac over a decade ago, and is working with developers to transition their apps to 64-bit. At our Worldwide Developers Conference in 2017, Apple informed developers that macOS High Sierra would be the last version of macOS to run 32-bit apps without compromise.”
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#49734 - 08/12/18 02:54 AM Re: Purchase quandry: new hardware/32bit software [Re: freelance]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
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OS 10.14.5, iMac Retina 5K 27-inch, late 2014, 3.5 GHz Intel Core i5, 1 TB fusion drive, 16 GB RAM, Epson SureColor P600, Photoshop CC, Lightroom CC, MS Office 365

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#49735 - 08/12/18 02:56 AM Re: Purchase quandry: new hardware/32bit software [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/04/09
freelance lives in London.
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#49736 - 08/12/18 04:33 AM Re: Purchase quandry: new hardware/32bit software [Re: artie505]
freelance Offline


Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: London, UK
I had a look at the link, anyway. I can only dream of discounted Apple products over here...
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