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#45259 - 06/20/17 12:10 PM Changing Dock Icons
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I have been able to change my Dock Icons in the past using Candybar. It didn't work with Sierra but I read where I could still maybe do it with Liteicon. I went to their site and there was a warning that if the dock icons were changed it could mess with the OS system. I can't seem to find that warning today but I saw it the other day. Does this make sense or not? I really don't like the icons Apple provides and would like to change them but not at the cost of screwing something up.
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#45295 - 06/22/17 10:19 AM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: plantsower]
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Bump!! Anybody??
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#45298 - 06/22/17 12:56 PM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: plantsower]
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Originally Posted By: plantsower
I have been able to change my Dock Icons in the past using Candybar.

I'm not sure what that means. I change dock icons simply by dragging them in or out of the dock, a process provided by the Apple software. Do you mean you want to "modify" the icons? In that case I am of no help, as it's not something I'd attempt - specifically for the concern that it might create issues elsewhere.


Edited by ryck (06/22/17 12:57 PM)
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#45301 - 06/22/17 01:34 PM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: ryck]
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The icon that appears on the Dock is the same as the icon that appears in Finder. Changing folder icons is a piece of cake and there are a number of apps that will do that for you. Application icons on the other hand are embedded deeply in the application package.

Apparently Candybar is no longer supported and is incompatible with later version of MacOS so I downloaded LiteIcon from freemacsoft to check it out and got what was apparently a different warning which explains more fully what is going on:

Originally Posted By: LiteIcon alert
OS X El Capitan introduced a new security policy preventing LiteIcon from changing any system icon.

You can still continue to change your apps and volumes icons

The system integrity check is a security precaution to prevent malware from modifying system files. It can be turned off, but it is unwise to do so. I think you are going to have to learn to live with the icons Apple chose for their system applications and folders.

LiteIcon will allow you to change NON-system application and file icons to your heart's content as they are not subject to SIP (System Integrity Protection).
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#45302 - 06/22/17 01:40 PM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: ryck]
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Yes, I meant change them completely to look different. The Apple icons are boring, especially for mail and safari and I often get them mixed up because they are both blue. I know one is round but still...I changed them in Mavericks and I enjoyed the view a lot more. I remember when we used to be able to change the skins on Macs which included the scroll bar to another color. I loved that. The fun stuff is gone for me. frown

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I have been able to change my Dock Icons in the past using Candybar.

I'm not sure what that means. I change dock icons simply by dragging them in or out of the dock, a process provided by the Apple software. Do you mean you want to "modify" the icons? In that case I am of no help, as it's not something I'd attempt - specifically for the concern that it might create issues elsewhere.
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#45304 - 06/22/17 01:44 PM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: joemikeb]
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Loc: Burson, CA
Yep, I can change file icons easily with Candybar and I do. I used to be able to change the dock icons as well in Mavericks but not now. I was looking into being able to change the alias or duplicate of the dock icons, but I see it's not possible. I tried. People are changing the dock icons by turning off the SIP in the process and then turning it back on. But I am not going to try that.

I also hate the light gray color of everything in Apple now. It used to be fun and colorful. I really miss that.



Originally Posted By: joemikeb
The icon that appears on the Dock is the same as the icon that appears in Finder. Changing folder icons is a piece of cake and there are a number of apps that will do that for you. Application icons on the other hand are embedded deeply in the application package.

Apparently Candybar is no longer supported and is incompatible with later version of MacOS so I downloaded LiteIcon from freemacsoft to check it out and got what was apparently a different warning which explains more fully what is going on:

Originally Posted By: LiteIcon alert
OS X El Capitan introduced a new security policy preventing LiteIcon from changing any system icon.

You can still continue to change your apps and volumes icons

The system integrity check is a security precaution to prevent malware from modifying system files. It can be turned off, but it is unwise to do so. I think you are going to have to learn to live with the icons Apple chose for their system applications and folders.

LiteIcon will allow you to change NON-system application and file icons to your heart's content as they are not subject to SIP (System Integrity Protection).
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#45305 - 06/22/17 01:45 PM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: plantsower]
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Originally Posted By: plantsower
Yes, I meant change them completely to look different. The Apple icons are boring, especially for mail and safari and I often get them mixed up because they are both blue. I know one is round but still...I changed them in Mavericks and I enjoyed the view a lot more. I remember when we used to be able to change the skins on Macs which included the scroll bar to another color. I loved that. The fun stuff is gone for me. frown

Sadly a lot of the "fun stuff" created/creates opportunities for exploitation by the "bad guys". crazy
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#45306 - 06/22/17 01:52 PM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: joemikeb]
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Boo! There should be a safety net!


Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Yes, I meant change them completely to look different. The Apple icons are boring, especially for mail and safari and I often get them mixed up because they are both blue. I know one is round but still...I changed them in Mavericks and I enjoyed the view a lot more. I remember when we used to be able to change the skins on Macs which included the scroll bar to another color. I loved that. The fun stuff is gone for me. frown

Sadly a lot of the "fun stuff" created/creates opportunities for exploitation by the "bad guys". crazy
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#45388 - 06/26/17 10:05 AM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: plantsower]
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Originally Posted By: plantsower
Yes, I meant change them completely to look different. The Apple icons are boring, especially for mail and safari and I often get them mixed up because they are both blue. I know one is round but still...I changed them in Mavericks and I enjoyed the view a lot more. I remember when we used to be able to change the skins on Macs which included the scroll bar to another color. I loved that. The fun stuff is gone for me.


Go to the apps folder, select the app, get info. Click on the icon. paste. (assuming you have the icon you want on the clipboard)

That should change it in Finder. Now drag it into the dock. If it's already in the dock you may need to remove and re-add it.
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#45394 - 06/26/17 02:02 PM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: Virtual1]
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That doesn't seem to work anymore with dock or system items, just folders.

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Yes, I meant change them completely to look different. The Apple icons are boring, especially for mail and safari and I often get them mixed up because they are both blue. I know one is round but still...I changed them in Mavericks and I enjoyed the view a lot more. I remember when we used to be able to change the skins on Macs which included the scroll bar to another color. I loved that. The fun stuff is gone for me.


Go to the apps folder, select the app, get info. Click on the icon. paste. (assuming you have the icon you want on the clipboard)

That should change it in Finder. Now drag it into the dock. If it's already in the dock you may need to remove and re-add it.
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#45408 - 06/27/17 05:45 AM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: plantsower]
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Originally Posted By: plantsower
That doesn't seem to work anymore with dock or system items, just folders.


Code:
VIRTUALBOOK:/Applications/Photos.app/Contents/Resources root # chmod 666 AppIcon.icns 
chmod: Unable to change file mode on AppIcon.icns: Operation not permitted
VIRTUALBOOK:/Applications/Photos.app/Contents/Resources root # chmod -N AppIcon.icns 
chmod: Failed to clear ACL on file AppIcon.icns: Operation not permitted



have I mentioned lately just how much I LOVE how well Apple is doing lately at locking me out of my own computer? I remember the good ol days when ROOT was ROOT and not "root with training wheels"

FYI this is how it used to work: http://www.idownloadblog.com/2014/07/16/how-to-change-app-icon-mac/

Code:
VIRTUALBOOK:/Applications/Photos.app/Contents/Resources root # csrutil status
System Integrity Protection status: enabled.


bastards! They keep turning that back on! Apparently I'm going to have to play whack-a-mole with Apple. So

Disabling SIP: https://apple.stackexchange.com/question...s-on-os-x-10-11

they recommend you turn it back on again after you're done doing whatever you naughty little user has done, OR you can just wait five minutes for Apple to turn it back on again for you!

FWIW: after you disable SIP you can change system application icons. you'll be prompted for your password when you change (or restore) them. Then just drag into dock. You may be able to cmd-click them if they're already in the dock to make them update.
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#45413 - 06/27/17 10:20 AM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: Virtual1]
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Loc: Burson, CA
Right. I read about and mentioned the SIP method to change dock icons. I may do it someday. I know I have to turn it back on when I'm done.

What am I dragging into the dock, the changed icons?

Also, I'm not sure what all that code is you put in this post.

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: plantsower
That doesn't seem to work anymore with dock or system items, just folders.


Code:
VIRTUALBOOK:/Applications/Photos.app/Contents/Resources root # chmod 666 AppIcon.icns 
chmod: Unable to change file mode on AppIcon.icns: Operation not permitted
VIRTUALBOOK:/Applications/Photos.app/Contents/Resources root # chmod -N AppIcon.icns 
chmod: Failed to clear ACL on file AppIcon.icns: Operation not permitted



have I mentioned lately just how much I LOVE how well Apple is doing lately at locking me out of my own computer? I remember the good ol days when ROOT was ROOT and not "root with training wheels"

FYI this is how it used to work: http://www.idownloadblog.com/2014/07/16/how-to-change-app-icon-mac/

Code:
VIRTUALBOOK:/Applications/Photos.app/Contents/Resources root # csrutil status
System Integrity Protection status: enabled.


bastards! They keep turning that back on! Apparently I'm going to have to play whack-a-mole with Apple. So

Disabling SIP: https://apple.stackexchange.com/question...s-on-os-x-10-11

they recommend you turn it back on again after you're done doing whatever you naughty little user has done, OR you can just wait five minutes for Apple to turn it back on again for you!

FWIW: after you disable SIP you can change system application icons. you'll be prompted for your password when you change (or restore) them. Then just drag into dock. You may be able to cmd-click them if they're already in the dock to make them update.
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#45421 - 06/28/17 12:10 AM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: Virtual1]
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Originally Posted By: Virtual1
have I mentioned lately just how much I LOVE how well Apple is doing lately at locking me out of my own computer? I remember the good ol days when ROOT was ROOT and not "root with training wheels"

That reminds me of my ex-girlfriend's rants when DOS's accessibility went out the Windows.

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Code:
VIRTUALBOOK:/Applications/Photos.app/Contents/Resources root # csrutil status
System Integrity Protection status: enabled.

bastards! They keep turning that back on! Apparently I'm going to have to play whack-a-mole with Apple. So

Disabling SIP: https://apple.stackexchange.com/question...s-on-os-x-10-11

they recommend you turn it back on again after you're done doing whatever you naughty little user has done, OR you can just wait five minutes for Apple to turn it back on again for you

What's that about? I've had SIP disabled since the day I installed El Cap, and it's never turned itself back on.

Code:
Last login: Tue Jun 27 15:44:59 on ttys000
Artie's-MacBook-Pro-2:~ artie$ csrutil status
System Integrity Protection status: disabled.
Artie's-MacBook-Pro-2:~ artie$ 
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#45422 - 06/28/17 12:35 AM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: plantsower]
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Originally Posted By: plantsower
Right. I read about and mentioned the SIP method to change dock icons. I may do it someday. I know I have to turn it back on when I'm done.

I've run with SIP disabled since the day I installed El Cap (in which it originated)...close to two years ago.

On the one hand, sure, it can be dangerous, but on the other hand, why would anyone waste their time creating an exploit to target the minuscule number of people who are living dangerously.

Originally Posted By: plantsower
What am I dragging into the dock, the changed icons?

The apps with the changed icons.
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#45429 - 06/28/17 05:43 AM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: plantsower]
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Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Right. I read about and mentioned the SIP method to change dock icons. I may do it someday. I know I have to turn it back on when I'm done.

What am I dragging into the dock, the changed icons?

Also, I'm not sure what all that code is you put in this post.

Yeah it's not really a "method" (like you have a choice) so much as it's the only way. I suppose you might be able to boot off something else or target mode it and modify it from some other booted OS though.

I'm not turning SIP back on. Pisses me off every time I try to do something and can't even do it logged in as root. That's what root is FOR, when you need to bypass the security in the system to get something done. And they've crippled it. This is by far not the first time, root has gotten gradually more difficult to use and less effective when you do over the years. You can login as root. Not just in terminal, I mean like in Finder. I had all my service drives at work doing that because it saved a lot of headaches with the tools I ran. Then tools started breaking when logged in as root. (DiskWarrior most notably) And stuff in the os started breaking. Print dialog, save as pdf. Just stopped being there. The option just was GONE. Tried to report it to Apple and they replied basically saying "you're not supposed to login as root so we're not fixing it". Thanks for telling me how I'm not supposed to use my computer! (sorry, *I* will be the one to decide that!)

anyway sorry a bit of a rant there.

Yes you change the icon on the application itself, then drag it into the dock. If it's already in the dock, you can remove and re-add it, but you might just be able to get it to update by cmd-clicking on it in the dock, I've seen this work before.

You can ignore the code, that was just my trying to do stuff and being told "uh uh uh! You can't do that!" with a nice cute wag of the finger. Making me want to wag a finger too. Tired of my computer telling me how I am and how I'm not allowed to use it. I'm used to being able to casually brush aside those pesky limitations, but they're getting more and more difficult to sidestep as time goes on. I see us headed for "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."


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#45434 - 06/28/17 08:18 AM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: artie505]
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Loc: Burson, CA
Thanks!

Originally Posted By: plantsower
What am I dragging into the dock, the changed icons?

The apps with the changed icons. [/quote]
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#45435 - 06/28/17 08:20 AM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: Virtual1]
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OK, I think I will try to air drop my old dock icons over and see what happens. I didn't think of that.

I don't know that much about Linux but isn't Apple based on that? If you went pure Linux wouldn't you have more freedom? Not knowing what I am talking about this may be a dumb thing to say.


Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Right. I read about and mentioned the SIP method to change dock icons. I may do it someday. I know I have to turn it back on when I'm done.

What am I dragging into the dock, the changed icons?

Also, I'm not sure what all that code is you put in this post.

Yeah it's not really a "method" (like you have a choice) so much as it's the only way. I suppose you might be able to boot off something else or target mode it and modify it from some other booted OS though.

I'm not turning SIP back on. Pisses me off every time I try to do something and can't even do it logged in as root. That's what root is FOR, when you need to bypass the security in the system to get something done. And they've crippled it. This is by far not the first time, root has gotten gradually more difficult to use and less effective when you do over the years. You can login as root. Not just in terminal, I mean like in Finder. I had all my service drives at work doing that because it saved a lot of headaches with the tools I ran. Then tools started breaking when logged in as root. (DiskWarrior most notably) And stuff in the os started breaking. Print dialog, save as pdf. Just stopped being there. The option just was GONE. Tried to report it to Apple and they replied basically saying "you're not supposed to login as root so we're not fixing it". Thanks for telling me how I'm not supposed to use my computer! (sorry, *I* will be the one to decide that!)

anyway sorry a bit of a rant there.

Yes you change the icon on the application itself, then drag it into the dock. If it's already in the dock, you can remove and re-add it, but you might just be able to get it to update by cmd-clicking on it in the dock, I've seen this work before.

You can ignore the code, that was just my trying to do stuff and being told "uh uh uh! You can't do that!" with a nice cute wag of the finger. Making me want to wag a finger too. Tired of my computer telling me how I am and how I'm not allowed to use it. I'm used to being able to casually brush aside those pesky limitations, but they're getting more and more difficult to sidestep as time goes on. I see us headed for "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."


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#45641 - 07/10/17 10:15 AM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: plantsower]
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Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I don't know that much about Linux but isn't Apple based on that? If you went pure Linux wouldn't you have more freedom?

You have to turn off SIP to change those icons. I don't know of any other alternative. And turning off SIP (as described in one of my links above) requires booting off the recovery partition and entering a command in terminal. If that's not your cup of tea, you'll either need to find someone to do it for you or settle for the icons that Apple has given you.

Theoretically yes, "pure linux" gives you more freedom. It also removes most of the safeties that prevent you from shooting yourself in the foot, and makes things significantly less user-friendly, requiring a much more in-depth knowledge of the operating system to use it.

It gives you freedom like going out into the middle of the jungle gives you freedom. Yes you can do anything you want, but you might fall into quicksand or eat a deadly berry. There will be no internet let alone TV or mail. And making your own thatch hut is no picnic. But that's the tradeoff for "a lot more freedom".
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#45642 - 07/10/17 10:19 AM Re: Changing Dock Icons [Re: Virtual1]
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I am settling. Don't want to deal with recovery with my past experiences with it. Thank you!!



Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I don't know that much about Linux but isn't Apple based on that? If you went pure Linux wouldn't you have more freedom?

You have to turn off SIP to change those icons. I don't know of any other alternative. And turning off SIP (as described in one of my links above) requires booting off the recovery partition and entering a command in terminal. If that's not your cup of tea, you'll either need to find someone to do it for you or settle for the icons that Apple has given you.

Theoretically yes, "pure linux" gives you more freedom. It also removes most of the safeties that prevent you from shooting yourself in the foot, and makes things significantly less user-friendly, requiring a much more in-depth knowledge of the operating system to use it.

It gives you freedom like going out into the middle of the jungle gives you freedom. Yes you can do anything you want, but you might fall into quicksand or eat a deadly berry. There will be no internet let alone TV or mail. And making your own thatch hut is no picnic.
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