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#42958 - 11/30/16 10:34 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: artie505]
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Registered: 08/04/09
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Originally Posted By: artie505
I've been running Cookie for years....

Ya, it was your mention of Cookie in another thread that got me to have a look.

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: ryck
Then you’re asked if you’d like Cookie to clear the browser cache, in order to remove EverCookies.

....although I think I remember that, I can't find it now; where did you see it?

My bad...I should have said in a review which is found here. found here. I'll correct the posting.
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#42959 - 11/30/16 10:43 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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Thanks, ryck.

Yours is the only EverCookie issue I've ever run across, and I'm anxious to see how you make out.

Good luck (for both of us)! smile

Edit: Hmmm... Either that or I visited one of those websites and Cookie did its job as promised...sorry...can't say for sure.


Edited by artie505 (11/30/16 10:52 AM)
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#43067 - 12/07/16 12:45 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
Yours is the only EverCookie issue I've ever run across, and I'm anxious to see how you make out.

After a week I can report that the software works great. I'm glad I bought it, as it saves me the trouble of going in and manually removing Cookies. Also, none of the persistent cookies have returned. I'll now get the software working in my wife's account too.


Edited by ryck (12/07/16 12:45 AM)
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#43068 - 12/07/16 02:18 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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Originally Posted By: ryck
After a week I can report that the software works great.

That's been my experience (*), but I'm going to hold my breath for a while on the EverCookie issue, because your past experience seems to suggest that more than a week needs to pass before you can consider them gone. But I've got my fingers crossed!

(*) At some point your liable to discover that cookies that Cookie says no longer exist still appear in your Safari pref pane (although they disappear when you quit Safari). I've discussed the issue with Russell, Cookie's developer, and the nature of cookies being what it is, kind of inscrutable, we've never quite figured out what's going on, but in Cookie's favor, I can tell you that on more than one occasion I've had shopping trips interrupted by my shopping cart's having disappeared mid-trip because a cookie that still appeared in my pref pane had presumably been deleted by Cookie via its timer.

Make what you will of it, but with that positive evidence and none to the contrary, I'm satisfied that Cookie is doing its job...but, all the same, still curious about the anomaly.
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#43069 - 12/07/16 02:42 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
At some point you're liable to discover that cookies that Cookie says no longer exist still appear in your Safari pref pane (although they disappear when you quit Safari). I've discussed the issue with Russell, Cookie's developer, and the nature of cookies being what it is, kind of inscrutable, we've never quite figured out what's going on….

I wonder if they're the cookies described as "the persistent cookies that have been designed to automatically respawn themselves from various secret caches". That is, are they able to stow away in some caches other than the browser cache?
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#43070 - 12/07/16 03:07 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
At some point you're liable to discover that cookies that Cookie says no longer exist still appear in your Safari pref pane (although they disappear when you quit Safari). I've discussed the issue with Russell, Cookie's developer, and the nature of cookies being what it is, kind of inscrutable, we've never quite figured out what's going on….

I wonder if they're the cookies described as "the persistent cookies that have been designed to automatically respawn themselves from various secret caches". That is, are they able to stow away in some caches other than the browser cache?

I don't think they're persistent cookies, because the only concrete indication of their nature I've ever gotten is from my disappearing shopping carts, i.e. they don't re-appear unexpectedly.

I think the persistent cookies are something different, i.e. your Trump cookies, and you're going to have to tell us if Cookie actually deals with them, because you seem to be the only poster who's got them.
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#43122 - 12/11/16 04:05 PM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
At some point you're liable to discover that cookies that Cookie says no longer exist still appear in your Safari pref pane (although they disappear when you quit Safari).

Originally Posted By: artie505
I think the persistent cookies are something different, i.e. your Trump cookies, and you're going to have to tell us if Cookie actually deals with them, because you seem to be the only poster who's got them.

After a week where I've checked the Cookie window (as in Cookie software) both at the start of using Safari and at the conclusion of a session (before Cookie has a chance to clear things out) and I have yet to see any of the persistent cookies.
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#43124 - 12/11/16 04:33 PM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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Originally Posted By: ryck
After a week where I've checked the Cookie window (as in Cookie software) both at the start of using Safari and at the conclusion of a session (before Cookie has a chance to clear things out) and I have yet to see any of the persistent cookies.

That sounds promising...if not better.

Have you also looked in your Safari pref pane to see what's in there?
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#43132 - 12/12/16 01:28 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
Have you also looked in your Safari pref pane to see what's in there?

Yup….nada on any occasion.
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#43133 - 12/12/16 01:42 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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Sounds like a thumbs-up for Russell. smile
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#43244 - 12/20/16 04:01 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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Registered: 08/04/09
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Originally Posted By: ryck
After a week where I've checked the Cookie window (as in Cookie software) both at the start of using Safari and at the conclusion of a session (before Cookie has a chance to clear things out) and I have yet to see any of the persistent cookies.

I can update this observation. ProSoft Engineering has inserted a cookie a couple of times without my going to their site - and it wasn't a plain-Jane cookie, it was a tracking cookie.


Edited by ryck (12/20/16 04:11 AM)
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#43245 - 12/20/16 06:43 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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Hmmm... frown

Maybe ask Russell about it? He's both responsive and helpful.
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#43285 - 12/30/16 08:22 PM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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Originally Posted By: ryck
I can update this observation. ProSoft Engineering has inserted a cookie a couple of times without my going to their site - and it wasn't a plain-Jane cookie, it was a tracking cookie.

And, I can update the update. I've taken advantage of the Cookie Window, which allows real-time observation of cookies being installed and whether they are tracking cookies. The Prosoft Engineering cookie, which continues to pop up periodically, does not require Safari to be open. The Prosoft cookie will appear as soon as the computer is booted.

Now, that's persistent!

Originally Posted By: artie505
Maybe ask Russell about it? He's both responsive and helpful.

I haven't contacted the publisher yet.


Edited by ryck (12/30/16 08:25 PM)
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#43286 - 12/30/16 09:47 PM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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I'm not running any Prosoft apps, so I can't experiment, but I'll hazard a guess that those cookies are placed when your app(s) check for updates, similarly to the way some of my Safari extensions place cookies when I do no more than open my Safari > Extensions pref pane.

Assuming that it's enabled, try disabling Prosoft auto-update-check and see what happens.
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#43287 - 12/31/16 03:19 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: artie505]
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FWIW, I have Drive Genius installed with it's preferences to automatically check for updates, yet I do not have any Prosoft cookies.
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#43288 - 12/31/16 04:53 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
FWIW, I have Drive Genius installed with it's preferences to automatically check for updates, yet I do not have any Prosoft cookies.

Well, that leaves me out of ideas. confused

ryck's cookies are coming from somewhere, and your experience seems to eliminate all the obvious (to me, anyhow) sources.
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#43289 - 12/31/16 08:47 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
FWIW, I have Drive Genius installed with it's preferences to automatically check for updates, yet I do not have any Prosoft cookies.
I too have Drive Genius installed and I had (note the past tense) a Prosoft cookie.
Originally Posted By: ryck
I can update this observation. ProSoft Engineering has inserted a cookie a couple of times without my going to their site - and it wasn't a plain-Jane cookie, it was a tracking cookie.
The Prosoft cookie on my system was a plain-jane cookie and NOT a tracking cookie — at least according to Cookie Stumbler (the paid subscription app, not the free Safari extension).

I deleted the Prosoft cookie then opened Drive Genius (which like Jon's is set to check for updates on launching), forced a check for updates, and browsed the Prosoft Engineering web site (although I did not fill in any forms or enter any data), checking for the cookie after each activity and the Prosoft cookie did not reappear. I have no idea when, or how the cookie was inserted, but I am comfortable that it was NOT a tracking cookie and I was unsuccessful in getting it inserted either through visiting the Prosoft Engineering website or running Prosoft Engineering applications.

Ryck, I wonder if your persistent Prosoft cookie is actually from Prosoft Engineering or perhaps it is a malware cookie masquerading as a Prosoft cookie?
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#43290 - 12/31/16 01:17 PM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: joemikeb]
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Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Ryck, I wonder if your persistent Prosoft cookie is actually from Prosoft Engineering or perhaps it is a malware cookie masquerading as a Prosoft cookie?

Interesting thought. The next time it appears I'll try to get a bit of detail.


Edited by ryck (12/31/16 01:18 PM)
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#43291 - 12/31/16 09:55 PM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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As an experiment, I visited Prosoft/Drive Genius to see what cookies would be bestowed upon me, with these results.

The top screenshot shows the 7 cookies that Prosoft placed, and the bottom one shows the 3 that reappeared 1 minute after the 7 were deleted and every minute thereafter when they were deleted (by my Cookie 1 minute timer).

I've now deleted all of my Prosoft cookies and set Cookie to preserve any that miraculously reappear.
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#43292 - 01/01/17 06:15 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
As an experiment, I visited Prosoft/Drive Genius to see what cookies would be bestowed upon me, with these results.

The top screenshot shows the 7 cookies that Prosoft placed, and the bottom one shows the 3 that reappeared 1 minute after the 7 were deleted and every minute thereafter when they were deleted (by my Cookie 1 minute timer)
Obviously there has to be some reason for our differing results. confused

On the premise that the cookie might have been blocked just double-checked to see what I might be running that might have made the difference. I am running Safari extensions Adguard and 1Blocker, using DNSCrypt, and have additional blocks set on OpenDNS. When I get time this afternoon, I will try disabling each of those to see if it makes a difference.

Are you using Safari? I forgot to check which of the four browsers I have installed had the Prosoft cookie. Cookie Stumbler checks all of them and I only loo0ed at the consolidated listing and not the individual browsers.
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#43293 - 01/01/17 10:06 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: joemikeb]
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Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Ryck, I wonder if your persistent Prosoft cookie is actually from Prosoft Engineering or perhaps it is a malware cookie masquerading as a Prosoft cookie?

Originally Posted By: ryck
Interesting thought. The next time it appears I'll try to get a bit of detail.

The cookie appeared this morning, as soon as the computer booted, and this is how "Cookie" described it:

Website: .prosofteng.com
Name: _cfluid
Path: /
Secure: NO
Expires: 2018-01-01 10:44 AM
Contents: dc5e44f10004d0ce4ca0d567c48cc19a11483296293
Browser: Safari


Notes:

• Cookie said there was 1 tracking cookie. It uses red type to indicated a tracking cookie.
• The information _cfluid is the only underlying information in red.
• The expiry date is exactly one year from the time I first booted this morning (10:44 AM)

My results seem to be consistent with the first result in artie's first screenshot.


Edited by ryck (01/01/17 10:07 AM)
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#43296 - 01/02/17 12:54 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: joemikeb]
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Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Are you using Safari?

The results I reported were returned by Safari.
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#43297 - 01/02/17 02:32 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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Originally Posted By: ryck
My results seem to be consistent with the first result in artie's first screenshot.

With the exception that your cookie was _cfluid while mine was (and still is when I return to the website) _cfduid

Do you get the same cookie if you click on the Prosoft link I posted?

Edit: And is there a rule that dictates that your cookie must be similar to mine?


Edited by artie505 (01/02/17 02:52 AM)
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#43299 - 01/02/17 06:38 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
Do you get the same cookie if you click on the Prosoft link I posted?

Yes…very similar. The cfluid and cfduid difference was there, along with different Expiry dates, et cetera, but otherwise it's the same cookie.

Interestingly, I used Safari Preferences to delete the Prosoft cookie (while at FineTunedMac, not at the ProSoft site) and it just popped in another Prosoft cookie. This one was shorter than the previous cookie (only the website entries) but it could not be removed using Safari preferences. I tried three times.

The shorter cookie was only eradicated with a Quit of Safari, and "Cookie" took it out.


Edited by ryck (01/02/17 06:47 AM)
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#43303 - 01/02/17 07:52 AM Re: Rogue Cookie [Re: ryck]
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Originally Posted By: ryck
This one...could not be removed using Safari preferences. I tried three times.

The shorter cookie was only eradicated with a Quit of Safari, and "Cookie" took it out.

When you tried to delete it via Safari prefs was the item with which you were left identified as "Cookie" or "Local Storage" (as has been my experience on numerous occasions)?
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