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#39398 - 03/11/16 04:30 PM Re: Changing the clock [Re: artie505]
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Registered: 08/05/09
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Originally Posted By: artie505
Thanks, grelber, but I'm on top of it. laugh (I set my clock back on Wednesday just to be sure. tongue )

Oh goodie ... then you'll be only 2 hours off the mark come Sunday. tongue

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#39400 - 03/11/16 04:45 PM Re: Changing the clock [Re: joemikeb]
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Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I don't mind Daylight Savings Time per se but I absolutely despise the change. Arizona's decision to opt out of Daylight Savings Time makes all kinds of sense to me. ...

Just for your edification (FYE):

Back in 1914 (2 years before Germany decided to try it out) Saskatoon, Saskatchewan decided to go to "fast time". Then a referendum was held with respect to same and it was turned down 2 to 1; city council reversed the decision. All within 2 months.

Saskatchewan toyed with idea during the 1930s-1950s. However, the line between Central Time and Mountain Time went right through the middle of the province. The legislature allowed municipalities to choose which time zone they wanted to be in and whether they wished to observe DST. Thus one could have 4 communities within spitting distance of one another which could be hours "apart". In 1961 the legislature dumped the notion of DST completely. It also chose for the whole province to be on Central Time. There have been numerous attempts over the past half century to renegotiate the situation, but all have wound up preserving the status quo.

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#39428 - 03/13/16 12:22 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: grelber]
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Adding to the previous post:

Apparently there are numerous reasons to ditch the switch, not least of which is that there are more heart attacks on the day following the switch. (Who knew that cranking the clock ahead an hour could be so stressful?)

Moreover, the reasons for switching (eg, enhanced productivity by some measure) don't seem to survive closer scrutiny. The (under)current suggestion now is to put everyone on DST and leave it there. (And again, Saskatchewan would be in the vanguard, already being on Mountain Daylight Time.)

And yes, I did change my FTM clock.

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#39434 - 03/13/16 12:19 PM Re: Changing the clock [Re: grelber]
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Originally Posted By: grelber
Apparently there are numerous reasons to ditch the switch, not least of which is that there are more heart attacks on the day following the switch. (Who knew that cranking the clock ahead an hour could be so stressful?)

I guess that proves two things
  1. we are creatures of habit
  2. breaking a habit is hard enough to do that it can kill us

Originally Posted By: grelber
Moreover, the reasons for switching (eg, enhanced productivity by some measure) don't seem to survive closer scrutiny. The (under)current suggestion now is to put everyone on DST and leave it there. (And again, Saskatchewan would be in the vanguard, already being on Mountain Daylight Time.)

I remember DST being sold to the U. S. Congress on the basis of how much money it would save. Wonder if eliminating the medical costs of all those DST imposed heart attacks would be enough to nullify the supposed cost benefit? Just thinking. Given that transportation scheduling and planning is all based on GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) and then converted to local times for public consumption, why not just use GMT across the continent and set our wake, work, and sleep times by local daylight which is what the human body wants to do anyway.
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#39436 - 03/13/16 01:42 PM Re: Changing the clock [Re: joemikeb]
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Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Given that transportation scheduling and planning is all based on GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) and then converted to local times for public consumption, why not just use GMT across the continent and set our wake, work, and sleep times by local daylight which is what the human body wants to do anyway.

That would be Zulu time (or UTC), long since used by the military.

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#39445 - 03/14/16 05:27 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: joemikeb]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Iowa
After working on my computer briefly this morning, I looked at my watch as I was getting dressed... wha.... oh. (runs around the house changing clocks after changing watch)

Glad I remembered to at least fix my alarm before bed last night.
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#39464 - 03/14/16 08:56 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: Virtual1]
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I actually enjoy this time of the year, when we "spring forward", and remain that way for the next 8 months. The extra hour of daylight, especially from May through August, drives me to be more energetic. What could work is just to stay on DST for the entire year.
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#39495 - 03/15/16 02:39 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: honestone]
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Originally Posted By: honestone
I actually enjoy this time of the year, when we "spring forward", and remain that way for the next 8 months. The extra hour of daylight, especially from May through August, drives me to be more energetic. What could work is just to stay on DST for the entire year.


The farmers might enjoy the extra daylight to harvest their crops, but the school kids would be walking to school in the dark if DST was year-round. Or so went the argument when the idea first surfaced way back when.
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#39497 - 03/15/16 03:04 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: Ira L]
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Farmers work from sunup to sundown, so DST means nothing to them, and if I remember correctly they hate it, but you're correct about school kids.

Edit: Do kids still walk to school, or is it the bus driver's problem?


Edited by artie505 (03/15/16 03:32 AM)
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#39498 - 03/15/16 07:09 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: Ira L]
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Originally Posted By: Ira L

The farmers might enjoy the extra daylight to harvest their crops, but the school kids would be walking to school in the dark if DST was year-round. Or so went the argument when the idea first surfaced way back when.


I've heard that before also, but it seems to be a weak "argument". Farmers should be able to easily adjust to it. As for school kids, parents can escort them to the bus stop, or take them to school themselves. It's really not that difficult to adjust.
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#39500 - 03/15/16 07:13 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: artie505]
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Pretty sure the origin had to do with WW1 or WW2 and saving energy. Specifically, lighting.
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#39503 - 03/15/16 07:41 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: Ira L]
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Originally Posted By: Ira L
The farmers might enjoy the extra daylight to harvest their crops, but the school kids would be walking to school in the dark if DST was year-round. Or so went the argument when the idea first surfaced way back when.

Y'all gotta be city folk. When the custom combiners come to town (so to speak), they're out there 24/7 until the job is done, with huge lights on the equipment which turn night into day. Then they move further north.
(Why north? you ask. They follow the direction of crop ripening — from the great plains to the prairies.)
And even if it's a small farming operation, the harvesters still use the lights.
And the kids don't give a rat's patoot if it's dark when they go to school. They just hope for a snow day or two from equinox to equinox.
Yee-haw! ... all around. laugh

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#39504 - 03/15/16 08:36 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: grelber]
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City folks or not, the easiest way to resolve this issue is to just have it be DST all year round. Then, there won't be all this whining and squealing like little children!

As it is, even though I "get back" an hour's sleep in November ("fall backward"), I get somewhat dismayed that the extra hour of sunlight is lost. The sleep business is mute at that point, as I have already been used to the "lost" hour of sleep since the second Sunday in March ("spring forward"). A number of folks are so, so ignorant, and do not grasp that simple fact.


Edited by honestone (03/15/16 08:36 AM)
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#39507 - 03/15/16 09:09 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: honestone]
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Originally Posted By: honestone
The sleep business is mute at that point....

Unless you're a sleep-talker.

And you've just called an awful lot of people ignorant simply because they don't see it your simple way.
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#39508 - 03/15/16 09:28 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: honestone
The sleep business is mute at that point....

Unless you're a sleep-talker.


Most people are not sleep-talkers. And, I am well aware of a new product coming out soon that will help folks with that issue (along with other sleep-related problems).

Originally Posted By: artie505
And you've just called an awful lot of people ignorant simply because they don't see it your simple way.


I'm just telling it like it is. And, there are a number of folks who also believe in that simple way. And, it is a simple, viable, and easy to implement solution to all the whining, squealing, etc. Remember, the KISS philosophy applies here: Keep It Simple Stupid.

As I stated above, once we are well into the spring, everyone (one would logically expect!) would be used to the extra hour of sunlight (and thus had got over the loss of 1 hour of sleep (only happened the other day)). So, changing that again in early November would be disruptive.

Is that explanation simple enough?


Edited by honestone (03/15/16 10:52 AM)
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#39510 - 03/15/16 11:00 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: honestone]
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The "sotto voce" flaming (among FTM participants) is once again intruding into civil discussion. mad
Please knock it off. smirk

(This does not apply to criticizing neofascist politicians.)

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#39511 - 03/15/16 11:08 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: grelber]
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Originally Posted By: grelber
The "sotto voce" flaming (among FTM participants) is once again intruding into civil discussion. mad
Please knock it off. smirk

(This does not apply to criticizing neofascist politicians.)


As Arnie says, "No problemo!" smile smile
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#39515 - 03/15/16 05:17 PM Re: Changing the clock [Re: honestone]
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Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
I've been told I'm a sleep-talker. Allegedly, I sat up in bed one night and said "The answer is 23" and fell back asleep. Too weird for someone to make up.

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#39517 - 03/15/16 10:13 PM Re: Changing the clock [Re: slolerner]
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...actually, the answer is 42......
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#39518 - 03/15/16 11:03 PM Re: Changing the clock [Re: honestone]
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Originally Posted By: honestone
Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: honestone
The sleep business is mute at that point....

Unless you're a sleep-talker.

Most people are not sleep-talkers. And, I am well aware of a new product coming out soon that will help folks with that issue (along with other sleep-related problems).

It's moot at this point. wink

Originally Posted By: honestone
Is that explanation simple enough?

Couldn't be any simpler!

And it's equally simple that not seeing it your way does NOT make anybody ignorant, and that insulting those who don't does NOT make you authoritative.
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#39519 - 03/16/16 12:00 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: MacManiac]
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Originally Posted By: MacManiac
...actually, the answer is 42......

Nailed it! cool

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#39523 - 03/16/16 06:49 AM Re: Changing the clock [Re: grelber]
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Registered: 08/25/09
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The answer is 42. I might have been dreaming about the Jim Carey movie except for the fact that it hadn't come out yet...

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