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#36992 - 11/04/15 02:52 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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Registered: 08/25/09
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Robbing a bank pays. No idea what these guys are up to.

Originally Posted By: Grelber
Perhaps someone could explain why eku.edu (Eastern Kentucky University) seems to be a hot bed of spamming. On the surface it would seem to be a reputable place, but from the latest discussion here it would seem not.

Reputation damage?


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#36994 - 11/04/15 03:01 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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Originally Posted By: slolerner
Robbing a bank pays. No idea what these guys are up to.

Same thing as all spammers, I guess; robbing from whomever they can...and with far less vulnerability. wink

(Still no spam coming to "abc1"...guess they're not that sophisticated.)
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#36998 - 11/05/15 01:23 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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Doesn't anybody other than me think it's exceptionally unusual and extremely disconcerting that a name that has never been part of an e-mail address, never been included in either the subject line or body of an e-mail, never been transmitted over the Internet as a user login name, but has ONLY been used as a user name in an embedded website submission form has turned up in the body of spam e-mails?


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#37000 - 11/05/15 05:00 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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I have been thinking about it and can't figure out how that happened. Are you sure you only used it in one place? Was it like a nickname or user name that you used more than once? And it showed up in the eku.edu spam?

Did you ever use that name in an email?


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#37017 - 11/05/15 11:24 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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I used the name at perhaps a handful of sites, and I've now realized that I actually did use it as a login name at one (that I haven't visited it in at least 2 years), but other than that it's as I said.

And the name appeared in the body of eku.edu spam e-mails. confused crazy
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#37025 - 11/06/15 03:38 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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Interesting...

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#37037 - 11/06/15 12:57 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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I just realized that was what happened to me! The box being spammed is, say, xyx@ but in the text it said, "Hey, abc..." I have another account I set up with abc@ so I didn't notice the switch.

Artie505 is on to something...


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#37060 - 11/07/15 03:26 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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Originally Posted By: slolerner
I just realized that was what happened to me! The box being spammed is, say, xyx@ but in the text it said, "Hey, abc..." I have another account I set up with abc@ so I didn't notice the switch.

Artie505 is on to something...

Nobody but you and I seems to think so.

I wonder what tacit might have to say.

It certainly appears to transcend run of the mill spam.
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#37881 - 12/17/15 04:05 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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I discovered that the email account I closed isn't gone but is hiding in the background, so I took a look-see and found that it's still getting spam mail from eku.edu.
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#37883 - 12/17/15 06:48 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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Call Verizon tongue

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#38457 - 01/27/16 01:40 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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Just curious if you are still getting spoofs from eku.edu?

Corban.edu and nvidia.com just got hit and it looks like the same people.

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#38458 - 01/27/16 01:52 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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eku.edu has slowed down to an infrequent trickle, but I get lots of spam from yahoo.com...almost nothing else; I haven't seen anything from either of your two new sources.
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#38462 - 01/27/16 03:34 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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Are the Yahoo ones the same, with your name embedded as a link?

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#38464 - 01/27/16 04:44 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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Y'know, I haven't paid all that much attention, but I think they show the expected "abc", with very few showing the off-the-wall "xyz".

If the "abc" is a link I never noticed...I just delete the email out of hand. I report only spam from other than yahoo and eku, there being no point to wasting my time telling my ISP something they already know.
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#38472 - 01/28/16 11:33 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
...there being no point to wasting my time telling my ISP something they already know.

Right.

My curiosity peaked when I saw that the same spams started coming from domains other than eku, and nvidia.com was kind of a shock. I was always thinking "Why is someone doing this?" My opinion is it has very little to do with the spams themselves, it is the volume they are able to flood servers with via spoofing.

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#38487 - 01/28/16 05:18 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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For what purpose, then, if not spamming?

Are they asking the ISPs for ransom?

I think it's just a brilliant approach to spamming! Spoofing seems like it has got to make the spam more difficult to block, and the ISPs' demonstrated inability to deal with the onslaught seems to support that speculation.
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#38488 - 01/28/16 06:13 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
For what purpose, then, if not spamming?

Exponentionally loading up mail servers with messages that don't get dumped? Maybe the motive isn't profit.

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#38489 - 01/28/16 06:46 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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Originally Posted By: slolerner
Originally Posted By: artie505
For what purpose, then, if not spamming?

Exponentionally loading up mail servers with messages that don't get dumped? Maybe the motive isn't profit.

I don't buy into the idea that somebody would go to the trouble of spoofing spam from a spoofed domain just to mess with a few ISPs' heads.

They've built the factory...they may as well profit from what it can produce.
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#38493 - 01/29/16 02:20 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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These spoofs are produced by exploiting an SPF weakness. That weakness is allowing them to bypass conventional ways to block and be dumped as spam at the server level: they are still delivered despite attempts to block them.

The email delivery systems of many ISPs are being flooded as they continue to use that exploit on domain after domain. Spoofing off NVIDIA is stunning because of the security they must have in place to prevent it. So, why are they, whoever they are, putting so much effort into doing it? Would a sophisticated scheme like this be intended to flood server after server to the point of failure from overload? You keep thinking monetary gain and i fail to see the possibility of making money off it. Wreaking havoc, but not making money. The spam I just started getting from Yahoo have the email addresses of others in To: field. The mailing list is showing. At first I thought it was a mistake, but it keeps happening. I'm intrigued by all this.

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#38494 - 01/29/16 02:31 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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You keep thinking monetary gain and i fail to see the possibility of making money off it. Wreaking havoc, but not making money.

When has spam been about anything other than making money? (I'm sure those links you've spoken of lead somewhere.)

Yes, they are wreaking havoc...probably enjoying it immensely, but it's no more than a possibly even unintended side benefit.
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#38495 - 01/29/16 02:36 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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What makes you think it is unintended effect?

Edit: The Yahoo mails that show the mailing list include names at domains like Valentino and citi.com. Pretty impressive mailing list. Not the usual one you buy. Oh, well, who knows?



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#38496 - 01/29/16 02:55 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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I said "possibly".

They certainly could be anarchists as well as thieves, but primarily is, I think, unlikely.
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#38497 - 01/29/16 02:58 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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Maybe overthinking it.

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#38498 - 01/29/16 03:10 AM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: slolerner]
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(I've been waiting all day for one to show up so I could scope it out, but no such luck.)

Did you just say that they're sending spam to Valentino and Citi as well as you and me?

That would add a third aspect to the havoc and lend some credence to the anarchy theory.

I dunno... Maybe it is all for fun, and the money is just a side benefit.

Edit: Naaah!


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#38532 - 01/30/16 01:16 PM Re: iPad has two mail accounts listed for each address [Re: artie505]
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Speaking of overthinking, I wonder if the fact that you're getting spam from new sources that aren't targeting me, too, suggests that we've got one or more copycats out there who've latched on to a good idea?
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