Re: What just blew through FTM?!
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Here's an informative experiment:
While logged into FTM in your usual browser, launch another browser and try to log in from there.
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Re: What just blew through FTM?!
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OK, I was able to log in to FTM in Firefox while I was logged in in Safari, but I don't know if that's the answer for which I'm looking.
The important question is would somebody be able to log in from a different computer at a different IP Address at the same time I was logged in? (Sorry, but I've got no way to experiment.)
And further, were I to experiment, could I extrapolate my FTM results as being applicable to all websites?
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I am currently logged into FTM on both my phone and my computer, if that helps clarify things for you.
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And, by the way, I never log out on my own; it just happens on it's own, usually while I'm away from my deuced Mac(hina). It's never happened suddenly as you've described, but I assume it would if I was visiting FTM when it happened. Neither do I. You'll recall that tacit mentioned the new setup would only permit a finite (ca 4-week) login period. I just wait until that happens. As mentioned, I wasn't logged out when the bizarre behavior happened. But logging out and back in resolved the issue. It's baaack! The issue was ostensibly fixed by tacit to the maximum allowable within UBB.threads' constraints (see above), but all of a sudden it seems that the problem crops up weekly (not monthly). Anybody know what's up?
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I dunno what's up with you, but as far as I can tell I'm still on a monthly schedule...longer if anything, but certainly not shorter.
It may be a 31 day month, because I remember the first time I found myself logged out being on the 4th, and although I haven't been keeping track of the exact date, I know it's definitely happening later now.
The new Great Equalizer is the SEND button.
In Memory of Harv: Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire
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I am currently logged into FTM on both my phone and my computer, if that helps clarify things for you. Not that security is much of an issue at FTM, but doesn't that strike you as being a serious security issue?
The new Great Equalizer is the SEND button.
In Memory of Harv: Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire
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Not that security is much of an issue at FTM, but doesn't that strike you as being a serious security issue? I know several supposedly highly secure financial sites and any number of e-commerce sites that allow simultaneously logons using the same userid and password. Perhaps you could elaborate on why you see that as a serious security issue.
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Not that security is much of an issue at FTM, but doesn't that strike you as being a serious security issue? I know several supposedly highly secure financial sites and any number of e-commerce sites that allow simultaneously logons using the same userid and password. Perhaps you could elaborate on why you see that as a serious security issue. I really can't say definitively, but it just seems pretty unreasonable that two of me should be able to be logged in from different machines in different locations at the same time. I can't see any purpose for it other than mayhem. Why shouldn't a simultaneous login to an account be challenged to either alert the real me that a phony me is already logged in or to stymy a phony me when the real me is already logged in? What say you, grelber?
The new Great Equalizer is the SEND button.
In Memory of Harv: Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire
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I dunno what's up with you, but as far as I can tell I'm still on a monthly schedule...longer if anything, but certainly not shorter. It may be a 31 day month, because I remember the first time I found myself logged out being on the 4th, and although I haven't been keeping track of the exact date, I know it's definitely happening later now. Maybe it was just a glitch (somewhere along the line), but it's been 2 Sundays in a row when I've been required to log in anew. Prior to the switch back to regular time it was on a monthly basis (as noted).
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I really can't say definitively, but it just seems pretty unreasonable that two of me should be able to be logged in from different machines in different locations at the same time. I can't see any purpose for it other than mayhem. Why shouldn't a simultaneous login to an account be challenged to either alert the real me that a phony me is already logged in or to [stymie] a phony me when the real me is already logged in? What say you, grelber? I say either "Hang 'em from the yardarm!" or "Makes me no nevermind."
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Verb stymy ‎(third-person singular simple present stymies, present participle stymying, simple past and past participle stymied) Alternative spelling of stymie It came up in spell-check.
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I really can't say definitively, but it just seems pretty unreasonable that two of me should be able to be logged in from different machines in different locations at the same time. I can't see any purpose for it other than mayhem. Why shouldn't a simultaneous login to an account be challenged to either alert the real me that a phony me is already logged in or to [stymie] a phony me when the real me is already logged in? What say you, grelber? I say either "Hang 'em from the yardarm!" or "Makes me no nevermind." Where's that legendary paranoia?
The new Great Equalizer is the SEND button.
In Memory of Harv: Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire
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Verb stymy ‎(third-person singular simple present stymies, present participle stymying, simple past and past participle stymied) Alternative spelling of stymie It came up in spell-check. Apple dictionary (2.2.3) only gives the preferred spelling and presents a different present participle: verb (stymies, stymieing, stymied). But point taken.
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Where's that legendary paranoia? In this case I packed it in and agree with joemikeb (for the same reasons).
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Verb stymy ‎(third-person singular simple present stymies, present participle stymying, simple past and past participle stymied) Alternative spelling of stymie It came up in spell-check. Apple dictionary (2.2.3) only gives the preferred spelling and presents a different present participle: verb (stymies, stymieing, stymied). But point taken. It's not in Dictionary.app v 2.1.3, but it turns up in spell-check all the same.
The new Great Equalizer is the SEND button.
In Memory of Harv: Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire
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Where's that legendary paranoia? In this case I packed it in and agree with joemikeb (for the same reasons). joemike didn't offer any reasons. I know several supposedly highly secure financial sites and any number of e-commerce sites that allow simultaneously logons using the same userid and password.
Perhaps you could elaborate on why you see that as a serious security issue.
The new Great Equalizer is the SEND button.
In Memory of Harv: Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire
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joemike didn't offer any reasons. I know several supposedly highly secure financial sites and any number of e-commerce sites that allow simultaneously logons using the same userid and password. Perhaps you could elaborate on why you see that as a serious security issue. I took the reasons to be implicit, namely that there are apparently no serious security issues, and I agree with that. Some SSL/https sites (eg, Google) might alert the user(s) regarding simultaneous usage but they allow it. Chacun à son goût.
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Not that security is much of an issue at FTM, but doesn't that strike you as being a serious security issue? I know several supposedly highly secure financial sites and any number of e-commerce sites that allow simultaneously logons using the same userid and password. Perhaps you could elaborate on why you see that as a serious security issue. Reminds me a little of several providers' features of "log out al other instances of my account". Gmail has this. It's useful if, for example, you left yourself logged in at the library, or you borrowed someone's phone to access your email and it insisted on remembering the password. You login on their web site and tell gmail to log you out everywhere, and it expires all valid tokens and cookies. Also if someone happens to steal/acquire your password, they probably can't change it on you (since they don't control the verification email address) but you'd need some way to get them out. This may be the only way to do it.
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