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#36487 - 10/18/15 07:07 AM adobe flash player
jaybass Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: toronto Canada
OS 10.6.8 I trashed everything flash player thinking I didn't need it but found that I couldn't play bridge without it. So I downloaded version 19.0.0226 (the latest I believe). This I did (4) times but I couldn't find the icon in downloads or anywhere else. Spotlight only identified the install dmg in apps and the downloads. I signed into Adobe and eventually they said it was indeed installed and the fact that I can now play bridge substantiates their claim. Problem is, I cannot find the icon anywhere. I'm wondering if Adobe is allowing me and presumably others to use this app but not actually showing the icon. I say this because of the very serious hacking problems that Adobe is experiencing. Any thoughts anyone? jaybass


Edited by cyn (10/21/15 02:39 AM)
Edit Reason: Topic moved from the "Mac OS X System" forum to the "Networking" forum.

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#36488 - 10/18/15 07:19 AM Re: adobe flash player [Re: jaybass]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Look in /Library/Internet Plug-ins. Also, check the Flash Player preference pane in System Preferences.
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#36489 - 10/18/15 07:50 AM Re: adobe flash player [Re: jchuzi]
jaybass Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: toronto Canada
Jon, you are right. The icon is in system prefs and the plugin is in the internet plug-ins. I have never had that happen before. Thanks, but can you tell me if there is any other software that will allow me to play bridge etc? I am reading that flash player should be uninstalled so I'm undecided as what to do. jaybass

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#36492 - 10/18/15 09:31 AM Re: adobe flash player [Re: jaybass]
grelber Offline


Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: North of 49th ||
Adobe's Flash Player is always installed as a plugin in whatever browser is used.
It is also a portal for potential problems, so you can always set it to be used only on certain trusted websites and/or decide to activate at each and every site that requests it.

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#36494 - 10/18/15 09:43 AM Re: adobe flash player [Re: jaybass]
MG2009 Offline


Registered: 08/05/09
jaybass:

I think this inquiry overlaps with the APPLICATIONS Forum. A recent thread about a FLASHPLAYER alternative can be found there:


http://www.finetunedmac.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=36392#Post36392


Edited by MG2009 (10/18/15 09:56 AM)
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#36495 - 10/18/15 10:41 AM Re: adobe flash player [Re: grelber]
jaybass Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: toronto Canada
grelber, How do I set it to be used on trusted websites? jaybass

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#36496 - 10/18/15 12:33 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: jaybass]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Go to System Preferences and open the Flash Player pref pane. Select Advanced and then click Trusted Location Settings.
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#36497 - 10/18/15 12:38 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: jaybass]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
You might also take a look at ClickToFlash...Safari Extension.


Edited by artie505 (10/18/15 12:40 PM)
Edit Reason: Clarify
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#36498 - 10/18/15 12:59 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: artie505]
MG2009 Offline


Registered: 08/05/09
CLICK TO FLASH does not play very well with El Cap . . . I noticed. Sometimes works; sometimes doesn't. So I uninstalled it.

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#36499 - 10/18/15 01:08 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: MG2009]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
I'm still running Snowy, as is jaybass, but thanks for the update.

(Actually, I'm running ClickTo Plugin.)
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#36500 - 10/18/15 01:40 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: jchuzi]
jaybass Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: toronto Canada
Thanks jon, I have made a few Trusted Location Settings. jaybass

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#36503 - 10/18/15 03:04 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: jaybass]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
I just took a look at Flash's Trusted Location pane, and I don't think it's got anything to do with what you're looking for. (Edit: As a matter of fact, I think that what you've done is actually potentially dangerous.)

For your purposes, ClickToFlash, to which I linked above, looks like your answer; it prevents Flash from loading and, instead, displays a place-holder on which you must click to see its content.
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#36509 - 10/18/15 05:27 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: jaybass]
grelber Offline


Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: North of 49th ||
Originally Posted By: jaybass
grelber, How do I set it to be used on trusted websites? jaybass

I'm not sure what Jon is referring to with "Go to System Preferences and open the Flash Player pref pane. Select Advanced and then click Trusted Location Settings." It must be a possibility with Safari. I use Firefox.

I agree with artie's comments.

The optimal way of selecting a trusted site to allow Flash Player is to go to that site (which should always be a secure connection with https:// in the URL) and when it requests permission to use Flash Player, select the option to "allow and remember". That way your browser and your trusted site are always on the same "wavelength".

You can also achieve the same effect by going to the site and clicking on the lock icon in the URL window which will then give you similar options under permissions.



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#36511 - 10/18/15 10:29 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: grelber]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Jon's post refers to Flash's presence in Safari, and you've apparently described procedures that are native to Firefox.

In my Safari 5.1.10, Flash content automatically begins playing when a page containing it loads...no pop-ups or locks with which to set prefs...presumably why ClickToFlash has been developed.

Edit: CTF allows whitelisting of websites...what I believe jaybass is looking for.


Edited by artie505 (10/18/15 11:24 PM)
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#36512 - 10/19/15 01:06 AM Re: adobe flash player [Re: artie505]
grelber Offline


Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: North of 49th ||
Originally Posted By: artie505
Jon's post refers to Flash's presence in Safari, and you've apparently described procedures that are native to Firefox.
In my Safari 5.1.10, Flash content automatically begins playing when a page containing it loads...no pop-ups or locks with which to set prefs...presumably why ClickToFlash has been developed.
Edit: CTF allows whitelisting of websites...what I believe jaybass is looking for.

Ergo the difference in procedures. Thanks for the clarification. Odd that the two browsers are so disparate in their treatment of Flash Player, especially given the risks inherent in same.

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#36513 - 10/19/15 01:47 AM Re: adobe flash player [Re: grelber]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
I'm running Safari 5.1.10; I wonder if v 9.x handles Flash differently?
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#36514 - 10/19/15 03:09 AM Re: adobe flash player [Re: artie505]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Originally Posted By: artie505
I'm running Safari 5.1.10; I wonder if v 9.x handles Flash differently?
Safari 9 seems to handle Flash the same way. Although I haven't used all its features, they appear to be available.
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#36516 - 10/19/15 06:23 AM Re: adobe flash player [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
In my Safari 5.1.10, Flash content automatically begins playing when a page containing it loads...no pop-ups or locks with which to set prefs...presumably why ClickToFlash has been developed.

Click-to-Plugin (and the special case Click-to-Flash) were developed to stop browser plugins from activating immediately, because of increasingly frequent security risks due to unpatched flaws. Blocking Autoplay was a side effect, and one that in fact is circumvented in current OSes/browser versions (e.g., see Macworld videos) with JavaScript, regardless of CtP or CtF settings. In those cases, blocking Javascript blocks the video autoplay.
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#36525 - 10/19/15 10:34 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: alternaut]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Your post sounds like "stop browser plugins from activating immediately" differs from "Block[ing] Autoplay".

And if blocking Javascript now blocks autoplay, what do CTP and CTF do?

I think I'm missing something. confused
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#36549 - 10/20/15 01:21 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: artie505]
alternaut Offline

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My post above was descriptive rather than explanatory; you can make the same observations yourself toggling the various functionalities (CtF, JavaScript etc.) on or off, but the effects may vary depending on OS/-version and browser/-version. That said, Autoplay is (a.o.) a Flash setting*, and as such secondary to allowing Flash to load. Via the plugin, CtF affects Flash loading directly, and Autoplay indirectly: you first have to allow Flash before anything can use that to Autoplay. That said, CtF can be circumvented with Javascript, ‘baring’ an Autoplay setting if present; depending on the website’s Javascript controls (and in part on the browser/settings) your Flash object Autoplays. Example: when I ran Safari 5.x under Mac OS X 10.5.8 (PPC) CtF effectively killed Flash, even on Autoplaying sites like Macworld. That no longer works with Safari 8/9 under Mac OS X 10.10.x, unless I kill JavaScript too.

*) an option which can be toggled in CtF’s settings on the Media Player tab
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#36554 - 10/20/15 02:45 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: alternaut]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
I just searched the Safari Extensions Gallery and ClickToFlash has apparently been removed. At least in Safari 9.0.1 on OS X 10.11.1 beta 4/5.
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#36556 - 10/20/15 02:57 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: alternaut]
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Quote:
Example: when I ran Safari 5.x under Mac OS X 10.5.8 (PPC) CtF effectively killed Flash, even on Autoplaying sites like Macworld. That no longer works with Safari 8/9 under Mac OS X 10.10.x, unless I kill JavaScript too.

I think those Macworld videos now come your way via HTML 5 rather than Flash. Or perhaps they come via Flash if Flash Player is found, and via HTML 5 otherwise? (I have neither the knowledge nor the interest to plow through several thousand lines of page source in search of insight.)

At any rate, I don't use Flash at all in Safari (9.0, Yosemite version), and those videos autoplay for me unless I disable javascript, so I don't think ClicktoFlash has anything to do with what you're experiencing.
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#36558 - 10/20/15 03:59 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: dkmarsh]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
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#36559 - 10/20/15 06:05 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: dkmarsh]
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Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
At any rate, I don't use Flash at all in Safari (9.0, Yosemite version), and those videos autoplay for me unless I disable javascript, so I don't think ClicktoFlash has anything to do with what you're experiencing.

When finding a Flash object on a web page, Click-to-Flash puts up a grey placeholder image displaying the word Flash in white with a white border. That object may subsequently be replaced by HTML5 if the relevant setting is selected. With CtF installed and enabled, the Flash placeholder is clearly displayed on the Macworld videos (evidence of CtF’s involvement), but doesn’t need to be clicked to play unless Javascript is disabled (evidence of overriding JavaScript).
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#36581 - 10/21/15 07:20 PM Re: adobe flash player [Re: alternaut]
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With neither Flash nor ClicktoFlash installed, I experience the autoplaying of those Macworld videos—evidence that the page source code is written to utilize an alternative player if Flash is not present.

I guess I'm viewing your ClicktoFlash case as a subset of the larger Flash not present category, rather than as a special instance of coding to evade blocking efforts by the user, but that's just a hunch based on the fact that online video is increasingly consumed on Flash-free devices.
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