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#36305 - 10/07/15 05:35 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: freelance]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Thanks for posting about CS5. I assume that you mean Photoshop (which is the only part of the suite that I have)? I had to install Java 6 to get it to run in Yosemite so that's no problem re-installing for EC.

My main issue, now, is how MS Office 2008 will run. If anybody knows, please reply.

EDIT: According to Roaring Apps, Office 2008 and PS CS5 do run in EC.


Edited by jchuzi (10/07/15 05:41 AM)
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#36306 - 10/07/15 05:55 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: freelance]
Virtual1 Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: freelance
I had no problems using Adobe CS5, except I had to install Java.

Had to do that here after updating to Yosemite. (I think only illustrator requires the legacy java?)
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#36307 - 10/07/15 06:06 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: Virtual1]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Photoshop CS5 requires a legacy Java, namely Java 6.


Edited by jchuzi (10/07/15 06:06 AM)
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#36309 - 10/07/15 07:54 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: jchuzi]
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Originally Posted By: Virtual1
I think only illustrator requires the legacy java?

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Photoshop CS5 requires a legacy Java, namely Java 6.

We’ve been here before, and more than once. Perhaps MacStrategy’s recent overview of all you might want to know about Adobe Creative Suite CS and Java RE v6 can put this one to rest. Note that there is a difference between CS apps that report they need Java v6, and those that actually need it. Confusingly, the two groups don't overlap, but fortunately that doesn't really matter all that much.
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#36311 - 10/07/15 08:43 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: alternaut]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Great article! Thanks for posting it. As you said, the two groups don't overlap and there is a reference to 10.12 that says, "OS X 10.12 and later do not support Java v6 at all." This implies that Apple is already working on it (no surprise).
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#36313 - 10/07/15 11:09 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: London, UK
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I assume that you mean Photoshop

I didn't try to open Illustrator, but all the other apps in the Design Standard suite work fine.
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#36314 - 10/07/15 11:10 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: Virtual1]
freelance Offline


Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: London, UK
Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: freelance
I had no problems using Adobe CS5, except I had to install Java.

Had to do that here after updating to Yosemite. (I think only illustrator requires the legacy java?)

I got the call for Java when trying to launch InDesign for the first time.
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#36319 - 10/07/15 02:16 PM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: freelance]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
Originally Posted By: freelance
I'm going to do what Jon is doing: wait for 10.11.2 or 3

OS X 10.12 will be out in roughly another 18 months — you may want to wait for that.
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#36321 - 10/07/15 02:47 PM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: joemikeb]
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Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: London, UK
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
OS X 10.12 will be out in roughly another 18 months — you may want to wait for that.

Well, I clung onto Snow Leopard until a few months ago. I guess I can cling onto Yosemite, which I only changed to because all my browsers had become obsolete.
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#36322 - 10/07/15 02:49 PM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: freelance]
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Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: London, UK
Does anyone know if it's possible to download a stand-alone El Capitan installer? Or even capture the download when it is being installed via the App Store?
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#36323 - 10/07/15 03:17 PM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: freelance]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Georgetown, Texas, USA
Originally Posted By: freelance
Does anyone know if it's possible to download a stand-alone El Capitan installer? Or even capture the download when it is being installed via the App Store?


AFAIK, there is no such thing as a stand-alone installer.

But, after one has downloaded El Capitán, a splash screen appears asking if you want to continue/install it, etc. STOP!

At that point, look in your Applications Folder for a file called "Install OS X El Capitan", for it is that file which may be copied to a thumb drive, etc.

If you don't copy it then, but proceed, the installer will delete it when the installation has been completed. Ergo no installer left to copy.
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#36344 - 10/08/15 11:12 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: Pendragon]
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Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: London, UK
Thanks!
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#36350 - 10/08/15 01:30 PM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: joemikeb]
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Registered: 08/05/09
Thanks for the tips - reminders - about Onyx, Etrechek and peripherals.



P.S. Just did the download, made a bootable flash drive, and installed. Took about 1.5 to 2.0 hours. All is tickety-boo . . . so far.


Edited by MG2009 (10/08/15 08:11 PM)
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#36374 - 10/09/15 07:04 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: Pendragon]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: freelance
Does anyone know if it's possible to download a stand-alone El Capitan installer? Or even capture the download when it is being installed via the App Store?

When you select to download/install a new version of OS X from the app store, it downloads an actual application to your /Applications/ folder. After that's done downloading, it's launched and installs your OS update.

Normally that installer app is kept in your /Applications folder even after the update is done, but you can copy it out to somewhere else (I like to stuff things like that into disk images) before you let the installer run. Basically when it launches, just cancel out of it. Copy/backup the installer, then double click it to run it.
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#36405 - 10/11/15 03:43 PM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: Virtual1]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Today, I had occasion to force-empty the trash using OnyX. OnyX, of course, is a GUI for root access. Considering rootless, it possible to force-empty the trash in El Capitan? An EC version of OnyX was released today but their website has no release notes yet, so I don't know if the EC version does this.
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#36406 - 10/11/15 04:19 PM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Georgetown, Texas, USA
Jon,

MacIssues has a discussion on this topic that may be worth your review.

FWIW, I use Permanent Eraser (freeware) and strongly endorse it. There are four erasing/deleting levels:
Simple: 1X
DoE: 3X
DoD: 7X
Gutman: 35X
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#36408 - 10/12/15 01:33 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: Pendragon]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Thanks, Harv. I knew about the MacIssues article. However, my question is not about securely deleting items but force-emptying the trash when the normal command refuses to work. Have you tried this with OnyX in EC? Here's the link for downloading: http://www.titanium.free.fr/onyx.html
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#36409 - 10/12/15 01:55 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Georgetown, Texas, USA
Jon,

If what you want to do is (merely) force-emptying the trash, then Permanent Eraser does that. Of course, it does that securely.

Or, am I still confused?
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#36410 - 10/12/15 03:08 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: Pendragon]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Harv,

It's not the same thing. To be specific, I tried to empty the trash and got a message that this could not be done because the file in the trash was "in use" (which wasn't true). It seems to me that Permanent Eraser will securely empty the trash (that is, empty the trash normally and then overwrite the files) but not force the trash to empty.

If you download OnyX (from my link), see if the Cleaning tab has an option to force-empty the trash. That option exists in the Yosemite and all previous versions.
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#36411 - 10/12/15 03:43 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: jchuzi]
Pendragon Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Georgetown, Texas, USA
Jon,

Many times, when I tried to empty the trash, I got the same alerts as you. Sometimes, I lacked the proper permission, the file was otherwise locked, or whatever.

Regardless, once the file was in the trash and I clicked on Permanent Eraser, it always got deleted.

Perhaps there is an exception somewhere, but I have yet to experience that.
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#36412 - 10/12/15 03:46 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: Pendragon]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Good to know, Harv. Thanks.
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#36434 - 10/14/15 07:50 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/04/09
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At Artie505's suggestion the sub-thread that started with MG209's post about the OnyX warning against securely erasing SSDs has been split off into its own thread
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#36439 - 10/14/15 03:28 PM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: jchuzi]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
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#36450 - 10/15/15 04:54 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Iowa

so it was an Apple bug, or they're just nerfing a workaround to humor office?
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#36515 - 10/19/15 03:12 AM Re: El Capitan (OS X 10.11) Public Beta Available [Re: Virtual1]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
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