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#34352 - 05/18/15 05:57 PM Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP
slolerner Offline


Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
Is this a 'Vintage' model, in other words, does it have any known issues?

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#34353 - 05/18/15 06:10 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Which particular MBP?

MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2012)
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2012)
MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2012)
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#34354 - 05/18/15 06:21 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: artie505]
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Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
13" non retina June 2012 500GB ATA 4 ram Intel graphics 4000. No Model Indentifier listed. Some from that time period had video distortion issues and the other issue I have seen online is a sudden restart. I assume the refurb had one of those issues in the past that was fixed.
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#34355 - 05/18/15 06:23 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
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Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
Those are general issues that Apple had a repair program for, this model is not listed in particular.

It's for a friend and I don't want to hear about problems.


Edited by slolerner (05/18/15 06:30 PM)
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#34358 - 05/18/15 08:56 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
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Registered: 08/03/09
Loc: Portland, Oregon, USA
I have the 15" version of that same computer. Mine is also a refurb; I sprang for the larger screen and a Core i7 rather than a Core i5 processor.

This machine is amazing. It is hands-down the best computer I've ever owned. I maxed out RAM (16 GB) and put in a second hard drive (by removing the DVD drive), and it's become my workhorse. It goes everywhere with me, and it's absolutely a fantastic computer. I recommend the 2012 Macbook Pros without hesitation.
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#34365 - 05/19/15 04:55 AM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: tacit]
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Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
Thanks, Tacit. I don't want my friend to be unhappy frown

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#34371 - 05/19/15 09:27 AM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Iowa
Anything newer than mine (2011) would be preferred. Mine was the very last model sold without USB3. frown

Tho due to a fold in the space-time continuum, it's still got about a month of Applecare left... which paid me back well over the last month with a new logic board, new battery, and two new fans.
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#34376 - 05/19/15 04:54 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: Virtual1]
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Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
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... which paid me back well over the last month with a new logic board, new battery, and two new fans.

What happened? The fans, logic board? Did the 2011 turn into yet another flamethrower? I assume the repair program began before Applecare ran out. Does your issue effect the 2012?
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#34385 - 05/20/15 04:54 AM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: slolerner
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... which paid me back well over the last month with a new logic board, new battery, and two new fans.

What happened? The fans, logic board? Did the 2011 turn into yet another flamethrower? I assume the repair program began before Applecare ran out. Does your issue effect the 2012?

I'm pretty tolerant of minor problems, but when I'm 30 days from leaving warranty, I tend to get a bit more fussy. In this case, both fans had been grumbling for months, but neither had stopped or really slowed down much. A couple months ago I found my battery was suddenly powering down my computer when run on battery for over an hour and its state in ASP had changed to "service battery". (with a cycle count well under 300) But the final straw was that last week where my computer started hard-freezing. It quickly got to the point of not being able to boot up, so it went into the shop for a laundry list. So I just had them do it all at once.
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#34459 - 05/28/15 05:25 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: Virtual1]
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Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
The present 13" MBP is only $300 more. Will it run Snowy? I'm afraid I can't help my friend with support issues if she is running a different system.
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#34465 - 05/29/15 01:54 AM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
The newest Macs (all of them) are incapable of running Snowy. I was a little confused by your question (confusion is my middle name) so I'll answer a possible alternative. The 13" non retina June 2012 MBP originally came with Lion. It won't run anything older than that.
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#34466 - 05/29/15 02:08 AM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: jchuzi]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Originally Posted By: Jon
The 13" non retina June 2012 MBP originally came with Lion. It won't run anything older than that.

That's actually not 100% on the mark, Jon.

A while back, tacit reported buying (I think it was) an MBP that shipped with either Lion or Mounty but was capable of running Snowy.

It had something to do with the later machine having the same architecture as an earlier one, but how anyone other than tacit would figure out such a thing is beyond me.

But aside from unusual instances such as that, you're more than likely correct in saying that a new current machine will not run Snowy.
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#34467 - 05/29/15 02:20 AM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Originally Posted By: slolerner
The present 13" MBP is only $300 more. Will it run Snowy? I'm afraid I can't help my friend with support issues if she is running a different system.

Do you really want to force your friend to live in the "dark ages" just because you (and I grin ) do?

Yosemite has features that are missing, notably or not, as the case may be, from Snowy, and from my limited experience I'll say that if nothing else in Yosemite surpasses its Snowy equivalent, Safari is considerably faster (not to mention current).
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#34471 - 05/29/15 07:48 AM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: artie505]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Iowa
fwiw, the newest iMacs will run 10.9.5 fine.
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#34472 - 05/29/15 08:24 AM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: Virtual1]
slolerner Offline


Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
Is 10.9.5 stable and, more importantly, will Adobe Design and Web Premium 4 work? There is no upgrade option and I DO NOT want to pay for usage of the cloud that is now a requirement.

If I buy Adobe CS5 Web Premium 5 from someone else, I know I can have license switched. Adobe no longer offers upgrade to CS5 from cs4.

If I do this, will CS5 work on 10.9 or Yosemite?


Edited by slolerner (05/29/15 09:01 AM)
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#34474 - 05/29/15 09:39 AM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Photoshop CS 5 works in Yosemite. It requires Java 6, which is not included in the Yosemite OS (I migrated from Snow Leopard). After I booted into Yosemite, a message appeared that asked if I wanted to download and install Java 6, which I did. PS CS 5 works fine.

I don't know if this applies to Design and Web Premium but I suspect that it does.
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#34476 - 05/29/15 01:59 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: jchuzi]
slolerner Offline


Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
This is dumb, but is Yosemite system 10.9? Does Adobe CS 4 work in 10.9?

I'm getting down to the wire here, supposed to pick up refurb 2012 tomorrow 6pm!


Edited by slolerner (05/29/15 02:05 PM)
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#34477 - 05/29/15 03:05 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
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Yosemite is OS X 10.10 not 10.9. As far as CS 4 there have been problems with Oracle's Java Runtime Environment. I have not tested this with Adobe CS 4 but I had similar problems with other apps. I solved my issues by installing the Java Developer Kit instead of the Java Runtime Environment. Theoretically both have the same runtime environment, but for whatever reason some applications apparently do not recognize the JRE version but work just fine with the JDK version.
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#34479 - 05/29/15 06:03 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: joemikeb]
slolerner Offline


Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
I dunno. Not sure if I really want to 'rock my world' just to match the set up of her new Mac. If the 2012 will run SL, I really just want to do that. The person who is getting it has a Samsung Galaxy, so there are no compatibility issues. She's got an ipad but it's older than mine.

She will be using the iWork Apps, possiblyy Preview, but iPhoto and iWeb. The SL versions are ok, right?


Edited by slolerner (05/29/15 06:05 PM)
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#34499 - 05/31/15 12:54 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
slolerner Offline


Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
Bought the refurb 2012 MBP. Shipped with Mountain Lion. Will go all the way up to present system. I will probably update my mid-2010 to ML. Any known issues with ML?

Looking at upgrading Adobe CS 4 to CS 5 because it is 64 bit.
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#34718 - 06/16/15 04:00 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
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Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
Yikes! So, we picked up the computer from the Apple Store last week and it had Lion on it. I told my friend don't do any updates until I get a chance to show her how to pick and choose. I get it back and it has 10.9! She said she didn't upgrade anything. Apple walked me through an Internet system restore over the phone, there was no TM set up for it yet because she wasn't doing anything but browsing and the Internet restore only had Mavericks!!! So Apple 2nd Tier Tech Support is trying to figure out what to do.

The drive is wiped using Disk Utility from OS 10.9, and you can buy and download Lion to a USB stick, but you still need to boot it with Lion. So, we came up with a plan of using an old external and making a bootable installer. I just don't have time and with this back injury and those stupid wooden stools at the Apple Store to bring it back and start over. I guess my question is, what happened? Is Mavericks some type of sneaky thing that you have to lock out? The other thing that was all weird was the keychain access, asking for a password whenever you moved something. (No, I am not saying there is a connection between the keychain access problem and the inexplicable upgrade to Mavericks. That would make the news.)

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#34720 - 06/16/15 04:30 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
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Registered: 08/04/09
My first guess was that Software Update was set to auto-install, but in that case, why not Yosemite?

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The other thing that was all weird was the keychain access, asking for a password whenever you moved something.

Do you mean that you were asked for an admin p/w to move things?

Maybe a permissions thing; what were you trying to move?
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#34721 - 06/16/15 04:41 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: artie505]
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Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
Well, the banner to install Yosemite kept coming up.
Yes, every time I went to just move a folder, it asked for an Admin p/w. But that is all in the past because the disk has been 'nuked.'

"The road to Hell was not paved in a day." I am getting a bad feeling about this.

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#34722 - 06/16/15 04:57 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: slolerner]
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I dunno what happened, but I suggest that the first thing you do after reinstalling Lion is check Software Update (wherever it lives...System Prefs or App Store) and make sure it's not set to "auto".

And just to clarify, you confused me by mentioning Keychain Access; it doesn't have anything to do with what you experienced.
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#34726 - 06/16/15 07:18 PM Re: Considering buying Apple Refurb June2012 MBP [Re: artie505]
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Registered: 08/25/09
Loc: New York City
No, the keychain thing doesn't, it was just a weird, annoying thing. Could not move anything from one folder to another without entering a p/w. I finally started to just unlock folders I was working with. It's probably something she did. But it didn't go away when I ran Disk Utility which should have fixed permissions, right?

The auto update thing doesn't really make sense because when I got it back from her, the indicator that there were updates, the thing I told her not to do, was still at two updates. I think because I don't know what Mavericks looks like, I took the 'Genius's word when we picked it up (I always have all the proprietary Apple tests done before I take a MBP home now) that it was running Lion as I requested and she didn't want to bother downgrading it, or worse, it can't be. Happily, I'm escalated to Tier 2 Support so if this can be fixed, it will. I would just pull the drive, cable it externally and put Lion on it through a clean download, but it would void the AppleCare. I think I'm going to have to go back and find a different Genius. I mean, learning what to do in this case is interesting, but I'm not sure I'm up to it. Spent six hours, no kidding, on phone support today just trying to get a 2010 and a 2012 to be twins. I did learn a whole lot because the techs did spend time with it. Btw, the 2012 has a different SuperDrive that has its own documented issues, but I checked and in 2012 it did not ship with the Matsushita.


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