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That'a a major step. Wouldn't I lose all my stuff? It's not all that major, and it won't touch your data (although having a backup is good practice). The Combo only affects your OS if there are items to update/fix. The idea is that your OS should be OK afterward, and persisting problems due to 'something else', like settings etc. A downside is that any OS/Security updates introduced after Apple made this Combo available will have to be applied again.
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You didn't lose your stuff the first time you ran the Combo, and you're not lkely to lose it this time, but as with all such stuff, it pays to have an up to date backup before you proceed. Actually, Rita, re-running the Combo is a venerable and often successful troubleshooting step. Good luck. Okay, I don't know what to do exactly. d/l means delete, right? I could back it up on my external drive (which I do anyway) but then I would have to start up from my external drive should something go wrong, right? So, since I'm not just updating for the first time, what are the steps to d/l and then download the combo? (I don't know as much as you think I do, apparently. :)) Rita
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Thanks for the Security Updates caveat, but doesn't it extend to any Apple updates issued subsequent to the Combo?
And I'll note that Software Update won't necessarily show which updates must be reapplied, so it pays to figure it out on your own (not that I'm sure how to go about it).
Edit: Are Security Updates "combos" as they once, but maybe only sometimes, were?
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D/l is shorthand for "download".
Just d/l the Combo from the link I posted, and run it from the volume you want it applied to, i.e. your boot volume, after you're fully backed up to your external. (If my memory serves me, a Combo will only run on the volume into which you're booted.)
Should Murphy stick his finger into the pie you'll have a fall-back.
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That'a a major step. Wouldn't I lose all my stuff? It's not all that major, and it won't touch your data (although having a backup is good practice). The Combo only affects your OS if there are items to update/fix. The idea is that your OS should be OK afterward, and persisting problems due to 'something else', like settings etc. A downside is that any OS/Security updates introduced after Apple made this Combo available will have to be applied again. And how would I go about doing that? I thought everything came in the same combo/pkg.
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The Combo is all-inclusive up to the point at which it was released; it obviously can't include stuff that came later. (Edit: Or if you wondered whether it's been adjusted retrospectively, not it hasn't.)
After you've run the Combo, run Software Update, and let's see what it tells you.
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I've always considered it - not a bug, but - a flaw in the Combos that they don't go into a user's receipts/boms and delete any related to Apple updates that were installed after their release date so Software Update can respond correctly to inquiries when they've been rerun.
Even if some of the later updates aren't affected by rerunning the Combo, reinstalling them won't be detrimental.
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After you've run the Combo, run Software Update, and let's see what it tells you. Well, for one thing, it'll tell her that "[t]he OS X Mavericks 10.9.5 Update is recommended for all Mavericks users."
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In that case, maybe Rita should run the 10.9.5 Combo rather than rerun the 10.9.4?
Edit: That should overcome at least part of the subsequent updates problem.
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In that case, maybe Rita should run the 10.9.5 Combo rather than rerun the 10.9.4?
Edit: That should overcome at least some of the subsequent updates problem. Hello! I can hear you. Standing right here. Anyway, I updated the 10.9.4 combo. I was going to update to 10.9.5, but there are some complaints about it making Safari slower and Apps bouncing on the dock unless the computer is restarted. I decided to just keep what I have unless I have problems and then, maybe upgrade. I know people have complaints about any update that comes along, but still, I will wait. I am not going to go to Yosemite unless forced to do so. You still have Snow Leopard for crying out loud. So, I will see how long I can hang onto Mavericks. My scrollbar is back. I hope it's not a temporary thing. Thanks for all your help. Rita
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> My scrollbar is back.Let's hope that's a big "GREAT!" and not another temporary aberration. (Got my fingers crossed for you. Well...all but the arthritic ones.) I think I remember you disdaining 10.9.5 a while back...no big deal. Like you said...Snowy! Have you run Software Update yet? I just took a look, and you need to run these three updates, even if SU doesn't say so. I'd run them in the order I presented them, which is the order in which they were released: 1. OS X bash Update 1.0 – OS X Mavericks2. Security Update 2014-005 Mavericks3. OS X NTP Security Update:OS X Mavericks
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> My scrollbar is back.Let's hope that's a big "GREAT!" and not another temporary aberration. (Got my fingers crossed for you. Well...all but the arthritic ones.) I think I remember you disdaining 10.9.5 a while back...no big deal. Like you said...Snowy! Have you run Software Update yet? I just took a look, and you need to run these three updates, even if SU doesn't say so. I'd run them in the order I presented them, which is the order in which they were released: 1. OS X bash Update 1.0 – OS X Mavericks2. Security Update 2014-005 Mavericks3. OS X NTP Security Update:OS X Mavericks No dice. No scrollbar this a.m. When I was running the combo something popped up saying "software update" and it did some stuff, so I didn't have a choice. I am scared of updates, too, because sometimes they screw stuff up. But, since I don't like how it is now, I will click on your links and update anyway. Sorry about your fingers. I mean .
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> My scrollbar is back.Let's hope that's a big "GREAT!" and not another temporary aberration. (Got my fingers crossed for you. Well...all but the arthritic ones.) I think I remember you disdaining 10.9.5 a while back...no big deal. Like you said...Snowy! Have you run Software Update yet? I just took a look, and you need to run these three updates, even if SU doesn't say so. I'd run them in the order I presented them, which is the order in which they were released: 1. OS X bash Update 1.0 – OS X Mavericks2. Security Update 2014-005 Mavericks3. OS X NTP Security Update:OS X Mavericks No dice. No scrollbar this a.m. When I was running the combo something popped up saying "software update" and it did some stuff, so I didn't have a choice. I am scared of updates, too, because sometimes they screw stuff up. But, since I don't like how it is now, I will click on your links and update anyway. Sorry about your fingers. I mean . Guess what? I got my scrollbar back and you'll never guess how. I called Applecare and after trying a couple things (he was winging it) we got it back. He could see it and I couldn't which was a clue. We went into Sys. Prefs - Accessibility. Under "Enhance Contrast" I moved the arrow more to the left toward "normal." It instantly brought my scrollbar back into view! Just thought I'd share. Big mystery over. Rita
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Thanks! I'd have never figured that out, because unless I've missed it, there's no such pref in Snowy. (I've got brightness, but not contrast.)
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Thanks! I'd have never figured that out, because unless I've missed it, there's no such pref in Snowy. (I've got brightness, but not contrast.) You mean under "Accessibility"? Because my brightness control is under "Display" and the contrast control is under Accessibility on my Mavericks. v Rita
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Wow, that looks so different than in Mavericks. Hope that helps Artie. Rita
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I use F1 & F2 to adjust brightness, not System Preferences > Displays.
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I had a nasty feeling that I'd be hearing from you.
Thanks for reminding me. I enabled Universal Access years ago and, never having any need to look at its pref pane, had long since forgotten what options it offered.
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It helps me only insofar as I'll now maybe remember that it's there if the subject ever comes up again.
Who'da thunk that contrast would be at the root of your problem? It never would have occurred to me even had I remembered that it was there.
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It helps me only insofar as I'll now maybe remember that it's there if the subject ever comes up again.
Who'da thunk that contrast would be at the root of your problem? It never would have occurred to me even had I remembered that it was there. Yeah, you'll probably never need that info, but it was interesting. On the other hand, my F1/F2 quit working a long time ago for brightness. So, now I use F1 to bring up some of my widgets.
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> ...my F1/F2 quit working a long time ago for brightness. So, now I use F1 to bring up some of my widgets.
It sounds like you've usurped your basic "F" functionality, in which case function-F1/F2 should adjust your brightness. (In Snowy, the applicable check box is at System Preferences > Keyboard > Keyboard.)
Edit: Doesn't either F4 or fn-F4 call up your widgets?
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> ...my F1/F2 quit working a long time ago for brightness. So, now I use F1 to bring up some of my widgets.
It sounds like you've usurped your basic "F" functionality, in which case function-F1/F2 should adjust your brightness. (In Snowy, the applicable check box is at System Preferences > Keyboard > Keyboard.)
Edit: Doesn't either F4 or fn-F4 call up your widgets? F1/F2 used to work for brightness but stopped working a long time ago. F3/F4 do nothing. We'll probably get in trouble for getting off topic here anyway. Rita
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F1/F2 used to work for brightness but stopped working a long time ago. F3/F4 do nothing. Even if you depress the fn key (in the lower left-hand corner) at the same time? We'll probably get in trouble for getting off topic here anyway. Read this thread, and then say the same thing with a straight face. Dare ya!
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F1/F2 used to work for brightness but stopped working a long time ago. F3/F4 do nothing. Even if you depress the fn key (in the lower left-hand corner) at the same time? We'll probably get in trouble for getting off topic here anyway. Read this thread, and then say the same thing with a straight face. Dare ya! Ok, Ok, you made me laugh. From battery questions, to Starbucks flat white drinks to Paypal. Wow! As to the F keys, you're right, when I press the fn key, they work and I can use F2 for my brightness now. Don't know how I missed that. Thanks!! Should we talk about coffee now just to round out this thread? Just kidding. I'm done. Have a good one. Rita
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