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#32326 - 12/27/14 06:37 AM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: artie505]
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And the answer is still the same. It costs the ISPs more money to provide fixed IP addresses so what do you see as the ISPs incentive for charging less for the more costly fixed IP address? confused
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#32327 - 12/27/14 07:10 AM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: joemikeb]
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Originally Posted By: joemikeb
And the answer is still the same. It costs the ISPs more money to provide fixed IP addresses so what do you see as the ISPs incentive for charging less for the more costly fixed IP address? confused (Emphasis added)

But the question is...

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...why ISPs don't allow users to opt for dynamic addresses (at less cost to the ISPs)...? (Emphasis added)

I don't doubt that they could charge enough for the cheaper service to keep it at least as profitable as the more expensive service.


Edited by artie505 (12/27/14 07:39 AM)
Edit Reason: Add emphasis
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#32328 - 12/27/14 07:44 AM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
But the question is...
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...why ISPs don't allow users to opt for dynamic addresses (at less cost to the ISPs)...? (Emphasis added)

I don't doubt that they could charge enough for the cheaper service to keep it at least as profitable as the more expensive service.

If, as suggested, dynamic IP addresses are ISPs' defaults, then the only "option" is for static – at a premium. The cost of the former is probably dictated by market conditions in every arena where service is offered.

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#32329 - 12/27/14 07:53 AM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: grelber]
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We're gettin' closer!

Why isn't dynamic service offered, i.e. why can't users opt for it, in all markets?
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#32330 - 12/27/14 08:36 AM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
Why isn't dynamic service offered, i.e. why can't users opt for it, in all markets?

I thought that the gist of the conversation is that it is by default (as the lesser-priced service which is the ISP equivalent of a "loss leader").

Are you claiming that you don't have such (by default)?

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#32332 - 12/27/14 10:40 PM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: grelber]
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Your post prompted me to investigate, because I've never seen a dynamic IP address offer from Verizon.

As far as I know, I've had a static address since I signed up for Verizon DSL, and I don't recall being offered a dynamic option at the outset (although that was a looong time ago, so I wouldn't bet on it).

The office that presumably deals with such stuff is closed for the weekend, so no more 'til Monday or so.

Update: Well, I'll be damned! My IP address is dynamic. blush

Now, do I want to get into turning my modem on and off regularly for the minimal, if any, benefit to be derived?
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#32333 - 12/28/14 12:24 AM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
Now, do I want to get into turning my modem on and off regularly for the minimal, if any, benefit to be derived?

I take it that your DSL is "always on".
My standard dialup via fax modem, as slow as it is, "resolves" that problem.

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#32334 - 12/28/14 01:23 AM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: grelber]
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It's always on. (I was under the naive misapprehension that toggling AirPort would change my address.)

My modem is a nuisance to get to...on the floor, out of the way, and when I toggled it just now I had a devil of a time getting it back on, so (my insurance notwithstanding) I'll be "static" (for all intents and purposes) unless somebody's got a helluva reason to go dynamic.

Edit: I wonder how the pool of available "dynamic" addresses is affected when everybody's on DSL and, chances are, their modems never get turned off?


Edited by artie505 (12/28/14 01:31 AM)
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#32336 - 12/28/14 08:20 AM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: artie505]
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ISPs, including Verizon, typically set a time limit on an IP lease after which the modem will automatically and invisibly to you request and receive a new IP lease. When your network is up and running 24x385 it is not uncommon that in effect you renew the lease on the same external IP address, but that is NOT guaranteed. By-the-way your local router typically uses the same dynamic (leased) internal IP address scheme for your Local Area Network.

So to summarize there is no benefit to be gained by restarting the modem to lease a new IP address or renew the lease on the same IP address you already had. The ISP does a more than adequate job of taking care of itself and NAT does a decent job of shielding your computer from outside malefactors.
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#32338 - 12/28/14 11:49 AM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: joemikeb]
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Originally Posted By: joemikeb
... When your network is up and running 24x385 ....

That's an unusually long year. smirk

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#32339 - 12/28/14 04:36 PM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: grelber]
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I can't even blame that one on the spell checker, so I will just say it sometimes feels that long. grin
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#32340 - 12/28/14 10:45 PM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: joemikeb]
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Thanks for the explanation; I can now track my IP address (Edit: which changed when I toggled my modem yesterday), see what happens, and report back...eventually.

It seems, then, that with broadband routers that a (very?) significant percentage of users (Edit: probably) never turn off there may be almost no savings to an ISP as respects dedicated hardware allocations, because the pool of dynamic addresses must be almost as large as the pool of users.

The ISP's percentage in using dynamic addresses seems to be that users who require static addresses must request and pay for them.


Edited by artie505 (12/28/14 11:17 PM)
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#32445 - 01/08/15 06:27 PM Re: Warning - tracking cookies [Re: joemikeb]
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I have been using MacScan for tracking cookies and spyware. See this web site:

http://macscan.securemac.com

I'm very happy with it.
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