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#19698 - 12/17/11 12:35 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: joemikeb]
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Originally Posted By: joemikeb
While it certainly does not beat "free", Poser Debut is available from the App Store for $29.95.

Is that some sort of special? It costs $49.99 from SmithMicro. (It's listed at $29.99 on MacUpdate, which is apparently incorrect.)
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#19701 - 12/17/11 01:57 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: artie505]
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The App Store version of software is frequently cheaper than the version available outside of the App Store (e.g., from the publisher directly), and not necessarily identical. In case of the latter condition, the App Store version tends to lack features.
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#19702 - 12/17/11 02:01 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: alternaut]
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Thanks for the clarification.

I wonder whether there's a Web site dedicated to comparing the functionality of App Store apps with that of their developers' self-marketed counterparts?

It sounds like an idea whose time has come if it hasn't already arrived.
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#19703 - 12/17/11 02:02 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
Are you certain about that Jan. 14th date?

I can't be sure until I try, but that date is listed on the order confirmation behind the download link as follows:

PoserDebut-MAC.dmg 2 GB (expires: Jan 14 2012)

The way I interpret this is that as long as you order Poser Debut for free before Dec. 19, you have until Jan. 14 to download it.
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#19704 - 12/17/11 02:06 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: alternaut]
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Originally Posted By: alternaut
The actual download can be done until Jan. 14, 2012, something that may be necessary due to the slow (10-12 hours) and occasionally problematic download (my first attempt bombed after 2.25GB). Note that there is an optional extended download service (for a small extra charge).

At my place 18 hours so far and still only half way through. tongue And the time remaining wants to increase...and hour ago it was 15 hours and 12 minutes...now it's 15 hours and 36 minutes to go.

I'm glad I paid the 1.68 for the extended download window. I may have to leave this if it doesn't start picking up speed.


Edited by ryck (12/17/11 02:07 PM)
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#19705 - 12/17/11 02:26 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: ryck]
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I suspect that server capacity is throttling download speeds. My initial attempt lasted over 14 hours at 40KBps max, and failed during the final MBs. My second attempt lasted a bit over 10 hours and after reaching speeds up to 70KBps gradually dropped to 40+KBps. So if things slow down too much, you could try again and hope for a better throughput.

PS, $1.68 is a modest fee, but even without it you would have had until Jan. 14 to complete your download.
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#19706 - 12/17/11 02:38 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: alternaut]
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I left the computer downloading over night. It was less than halfway complete when I got up the next day. I stopped the download, restarted it and the speed was doubled. Total time: 14 hours.

I installed the application, completed the online registration, then stared at one heckuva learning curve!

Well, if it's free, it's for me. I'll have a go at Poser over the holidays.

Oh! Happy Holidays all!
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#19707 - 12/17/11 02:46 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: alternaut]
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Originally Posted By: alternaut
Originally Posted By: artie505
Are you certain about that Jan. 14th date?

I can't be sure until I try, but that date is listed on the order confirmation behind the download link as follows:

PoserDebut-MAC.dmg 2 GB (expires: Jan 14 2012)

The way I interpret this is that as long as you order Poser Debut for free before Dec. 19, you have until Jan. 14 to download it.

Hmmm... I dunno.

I don't see your posted date or any other date (other than the Dec. 19th expiry).

You'd think we can rely on the 30 day d/l window as per this.

Interesting, that when you get to Poser Debut via a regular link you find this:
Quote:
Poser Debut - 30 Day Free Trial

List Price: $49.99

Edit: I'm now looking at my order, and I see "(expires: Jan 16 2012)," i.e. 30 days from today, the day I ordered, and presumably changing daily.


Edited by artie505 (12/17/11 03:04 PM)
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#19708 - 12/17/11 02:54 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: freelance]
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With my 7Gb DSL I'm d/l'ing at about 350Kbps, and I'm on target, barring the unforeseen, for a bit less than 2 hours.

And a merry, happy to you,too. smile
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#19709 - 12/17/11 02:58 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
I don't see your posted date or any other date (other than the Dec. 19th expiry).

The Jan. 14 download deadline is listed on your online order confirmation, NOT in the one you receive by email.
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#19710 - 12/17/11 03:08 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: alternaut]
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Originally Posted By: alternaut
Originally Posted By: artie505
I don't see your posted date or any other date (other than the Dec. 19th expiry).

The Jan. 14 download deadline is listed on your online order confirmation, NOT in the one you receive by email.

I just edited my post to reflect that...sorta. (I originally responded to your "that date is listed on the order confirmation behind the download link," which I interpreted to be the first screen I got to after clicking on your link.)
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#19711 - 12/17/11 03:12 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: artie505]
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You're correct about the 30 day download period. Thanks for bringing that up, as it's more relevant than my personal final download date.
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#19712 - 12/17/11 03:16 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: alternaut]
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Originally Posted By: alternaut
I suspect that server capacity is throttling download speeds. My initial attempt lasted over 14 hours at 40KBps max, and failed during the final MBs. My second attempt lasted a bit over 10 hours and after reaching speeds up to 70KBps gradually dropped to 40+KBps.

Originally Posted By: artie505
With my 7Gb DSL I'm d/l'ing at about 350Kbps, and I'm on target, barring the unforeseen, for a bit less than 2 hours.

I just ran a speed test (at the ISP site) and the results said Download 15.06 Mbps and Upload .39 Mbps.

The time remaining has now increased by an hour (16 hours 26 minutes)

It's interesting that the speed indicated in the download window is 16.6 Kbps.
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#19714 - 12/17/11 03:53 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: ryck]
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Originally Posted By: ryck
I just ran a speed test (at the ISP site) and the results said Download 15.06 Mbps and Upload .39 Mbps.

It's interesting that the speed indicated in the download window is 16.6 Kbps.

As we've discussed before in these forums, the actual download speed you observe is rarely limited by your ISPs specs. Far more often the server you're downloading from sets the rate, possibly 'aided' by local and general network conditions. In my case the highest download speed attained was about 1/4 of my ISP-set maximum, but mostly it was closer to 1/10 of that. At the same time I could download other files at up to 250KBps. Hence my suspicions about the source server.
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#19715 - 12/17/11 04:15 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: alternaut]
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Originally Posted By: alternaut
As we've discussed before in these forums, the actual download speed you observe is rarely limited by your ISPs specs. Far more often the server you're downloading from sets the rate, possibly 'aided' by local and general network conditions.

Clink! That is the sound of the penny dropping. blush


Edited by ryck (12/17/11 04:16 PM)
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#19716 - 12/17/11 05:59 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: ryck]
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> I just ran a speed test (at the ISP site) and the results said Download 15.06 Mbps and Upload .39 Mbps.

Out of curiosity, for what speed Internet service have you contracted?

(By way of comparison, I've contracted for 7Gb service, speed tests show a consistent 6.45Mb/sec, and my max d/l speed is about 785Kbps.)
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#19717 - 12/17/11 06:06 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: alternaut]
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Originally Posted By: alternaut
Originally Posted By: ryck
I just ran a speed test (at the ISP site) and the results said Download 15.06 Mbps and Upload .39 Mbps.

It's interesting that the speed indicated in the download window is 16.6 Kbps.

As we've discussed before in these forums, the actual download speed you observe is rarely limited by your ISPs specs. Far more often the server you're downloading from sets the rate, possibly 'aided' by local and general network conditions. In my case the highest download speed attained was about 1/4 of my ISP-set maximum, but mostly it was closer to 1/10 of that. At the same time I could download other files at up to 250KBps. Hence my suspicions about the source server.

I fully agree with you that the source server "governs," or at least rules the day.

When I quote my top speed (785Kbps), it's based on my benchmark 10.6.8 Combo d/l, which I use on the assumption that Apple's servers are up to all tasks. (In my experience, Microsoft's servers are also pretty good.) As I said, though, the best I did with Poser was 350Kbps, and any number of other d/l's don't approach even that and are frequently considerably slower.
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#19719 - 12/17/11 06:19 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: ryck]
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This post by ganbustein puts our numbers into perspective.
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#19722 - 12/17/11 10:37 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
Out of curiosity, for what speed Internet service have you contracted?

The basics for my service are: up to 7.5 Mbps download speed, up to 512 Kbps upload speed and 125 GB monthly transfer limit, all of which are more than sufficient for anything I ever need. The key words in the speeds are, or course, "up to" as a lesser figure is still technically "up to" the contracted speed.

I have seen/heard reports that some ISPs take advantage of the technicality in the language although I have to admit I don't recall ever having any problems and, as you can see from today's earlier figures, I may even exceed the contracted speed.

I just re-ran their test and the numbers were Download 16.84 Mbps and Upload .38 Mbps.


Edited by ryck (12/17/11 10:44 PM)
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#19725 - 12/18/11 01:20 AM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: ryck]
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I see why your d/l was taking so long... The slower the service, the longer the d/l, and, of course, the longer the d/l, the more chance for glitches to make it even longer. Shades of, but not quite, grelber.

> The basics for my service are: up to 7.5 Mbps download speed, up to 512 Kbps upload speed

> I just re-ran their test and the numbers were Download 16.84 Mbps and Upload .38 Mbps.

Something sounds odd in those numbers; the 7.5 and 16.84 don't jive. (7.5 s/b 750, maybe?)
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#19726 - 12/18/11 02:15 AM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: artie505]
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On the second attempt and 3+ hours, success.

Should anyone desire, I can try sending the file to you via iChat or Skype. If interested in such, contact me at (pndrgnsvc<<at>>aol<<dot>>com). And please put Poser in the subject line. I don't know how well a transfer of this size will work, but perhaps it's worth a try.


Edited by Pendragon (12/18/11 03:38 AM)
Edit Reason: Clarify iChat/Skype offer
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#19727 - 12/18/11 02:28 AM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: Pendragon]
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Originally Posted By: Pendragon
On the second attempt and 3+ hours, success.

Should you desire, I can try sending the file to you via iChat or Skype. If interested in such, contact me at (pndrgnsvc<<at>>aol<<dot>>com). And please put Poser in the subject line. I don't know how well a transfer of this size will work, but perhaps it's worth a try.

Many thanks for your kind offer, Harv, but it's ryck who may need to take advantage of it. (Unless your upload speed approaches miraculous, though, won't it take an enormous amount of time to accomplish? Edit: And ryck will still have to deal with his slow d/l speed, anyhow, I assume.)

I guess I got lucky... First try and a bit under two hours. smile


Edited by artie505 (12/18/11 02:38 AM)
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#19728 - 12/18/11 03:49 AM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: artie505]
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(By way of comparison, I've contracted for 7Gb service, speed tests show a consistent 6.45Mb/sec, and my max d/l speed is about 785Kbps.)

Just so I can be sure I'm not missing something obvious...are you really saying that
  1. you've contracted for a download speed of 7 gigabits per second?
  2. your maximum download speed in practice is 785 kilobits per second?
My internet service is 750 Kbps (that's 750 kilobits per second), and my maximum sustained download speeds are typically about 80-90 KBps (that's kilobytes per second), which figures out to be an actual speed of around 680 Kbps (kilobits per second) of data transfer.

Hard to believe I'm getting download speeds that rival yours with service that's 9,000 times slower. laugh


Edited by dkmarsh (12/18/11 08:15 AM)
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#19729 - 12/18/11 08:24 AM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: artie505]
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Originally Posted By: artie505
> The basics for my service are: up to 7.5 Mbps download speed, up to 512 Kbps upload speed

> I just re-ran their test and the numbers were Download 16.84 Mbps and Upload .38 Mbps.

Something sounds odd in those numbers; the 7.5 and 16.84 don't jive. (7.5 s/b 750, maybe?)

Nope. The test numbers are correct and I went to the ISP to double-check what is offered for the service I purchase (They have about 6 levels) and it's correct. The download page showed a coloured band indicating my service and a graphical line showing actual download speed. The line was above the coloured band. Maybe they're doing this as some sort of promotion.


Edited by ryck (12/18/11 08:28 AM)
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#19741 - 12/18/11 11:06 PM Re: FREEWARE! (RAM Test) [Re: Pendragon]
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Originally Posted By: Pendragon
Should anyone desire, I can try sending the file to you via iChat or Skype........And please put Poser in the subject line.

Thanks for a generous offer but I disconnected at the point it appeared the download was going to conclude somewhere around June and, after a few hours, tried again. I must have found the same connection as Artie because it was all over in about two hours.

The whole saga has been quite a poser. laugh


Edited by ryck (12/18/11 11:07 PM)
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