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#10434 - 06/07/10 04:40 PM Safari 5, first impressions
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
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I upgraded to Safari 5 a few minutes ago. I will add to this later but let me give my first impressions:

Reader is a very welcome addition to Safari. When Safari detects an article, a Reader icon appears in the address bar and, if you click it, you get the article superimposed over the page that you had been in. The article has no extraneous material. If you hover the mouse over the bottom of the article, there are options to zoom in, zoom out, email the article, print the article and close out of it (returning to the original article's page, which can also be done by clicking outside the area of the Reader). Alternatively, you can get into Reader via the View menu or by pressing ⇧-⌘-R.

Reader seems to be a very desirable addition. Also, the Search field now includes Bing as well as Google and Yahoo. I have experimented only briefly with Bing but it seems to work well.

Naturally, Saft doesn't yet work with Safari 5 and I expect that Hao Li will issue an update in the very near future, as is his practice.

Oh yes, one feature seems to be broken. I had set previous versions of Safari to open with my home page when I launched it. It now shows a blank page and I have to manually click the Home icon to get there.


Edited by jchuzi (06/07/10 04:56 PM)
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#10435 - 06/07/10 05:13 PM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
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Oh yes, one feature seems to be broken. I had set previous versions of Safari to open with my home page when I launched it. It now shows a blank page and I have to manually click the Home icon to get there.

Did you try removing PithHelmet.bundle from /Library/Application Support/SIMBL? As I recall, that proved to be the solution to this problem when you upgraded to Safari 4.
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#10438 - 06/08/10 02:13 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: dkmarsh]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
I no longer have PithHelmet.bundle but you got me thinking. I went to /Library/Application Support/SIMBL/Plugins and removed Saft.bundle. After quitting and relaunching Safari, the problem was solved. Even though Saft was not loaded when Safari launched (and a message to that effect appeared at launch), something in there was causing problems.

Thanks for the suggestion, dk! cool As always, you have the memory of an elephant for these things. How do you do it?


Edited by jchuzi (06/08/10 11:57 AM)
Edit Reason: corrected path by adding Plugins
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#10439 - 06/08/10 02:22 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
For those with NetFlix, see this MacFixit article about incompatibilities with Safari 5.
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#10440 - 06/08/10 04:29 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
Gregg Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Milwaukee, WI (USA)
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I upgraded to Safari 5 a few minutes ago.


What happened to Safari 4? It was only at 4.0.5 for heaven's sake! I expected a 4.1 at some point. ???

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#10441 - 06/08/10 04:46 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: Gregg]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Safari 4.1 is now available for Tiger.
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#10443 - 06/08/10 08:49 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Portland, Oregon
I installed Safari 5 on Monday. So far, I have the impression it's definitely faster. And where I've been able to click on the Reader button, I like this feature immensely.
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#10446 - 06/08/10 11:52 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: pbGuy]
freelance Offline


Registered: 08/05/09
Loc: London, UK
Until the release of Safari 5, my main browser was Firefox. My bookmarks in Safari are an import from Firefox.

I installed Safari 5 from the online update, then launched Safari. The first thing I did was open five tabs of online newspapers – heavy with images. Safari was slow and I kept getting spinning beachballs.

So, I quit/restarted, then reset Safari (checking all the boxes). Much better. I don't know if it's faster than Firefox 3.6.3. but the Reader feature is interesting enough that I'm sure to give Safari more of a trial than I have in the past.

(I had a lot of brief slow-ups while typing this...)
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#10481 - 06/10/10 11:21 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
roger Offline


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Vermont
jon, didja see this: SnapBack for Safari 5?

I haven't tried it, but then I wasn't a regular Snapback user, but when I saw it, I immediately thought of you! cool
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#10482 - 06/10/10 11:36 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: roger]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Thanks for the link, Roger. I downloaded it but haven't installed it because I don't know anything about the developer and I have learned to live without Snapback as a feature. Does anybody have experience with software by this developer?

EDIT: I installed it in my cloned backup as a safety precaution. As far as I can tell, it doesn't work at all (unless I'm missing something). I'll clone it out when I do my next incremental backup.

If anyone else wants to try it, you have to enable extensions via the Develop menu before attempting to install it. This enables the Extensions preference pane in Safari. After installation, Snapback did not even show up in that preference pane.


Edited by jchuzi (06/10/10 12:02 PM)
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#10483 - 06/10/10 12:34 PM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: Georgetown, Texas, USA
Re Extensions-

Are they essentially the same (but different) as what Add Ons are for Firefox? If so, does that mean ad blockers and such can't be far away?
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#10488 - 06/10/10 04:10 PM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/04/09

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As far as I can tell, it doesn't work at all...

It works as expected here.

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After installation, Snapback [sic] did not even show up in that preference pane.

Forgive me if this is too obvious, but is the OFF-ON switch in your Extensions prefpane turned ON? I see SnapBack listed there as expected, but I note that if the switch is turned OFF, the list vanishes altogether.
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#10489 - 06/10/10 04:17 PM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: Pendragon]
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Registered: 08/04/09

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...does that mean ad blockers and such can't be far away?

AdBlock for Safari.

Note that the developer writes, "It has a few rough edges because I wrote it on 12 hours notice." (I installed it along with John Siracusa's Safari Reload Button, but uninstalled both because one or the other (or the combination) crashed Safari, and I haven't gotten around to methodically determining which one was at fault.)

Many more extensions and associated information can be found at Safari Extensions.
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#10494 - 06/11/10 02:13 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: dkmarsh]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
Forgive me if this is too obvious, but is the OFF-ON switch in your Extensions prefpane turned ON? I see SnapBack listed there as expected, but I note that if the switch is turned OFF, the list vanishes altogether.
Yes, it was turned ON. That's the first thing that I checked. In case it occurs to anyone, there are no third-party plugins installed (Saft included). I have had problems with bugs in the update to Saft so I uninstalled it, and am awaiting a fix from the developer.

EDIT: OK, I decided to try it again. For whatever reason, it worked. AFAIK, I didn't do anything different the first time so I'll probably never know why.

SnapBack doesn't seem to have exactly the same functionality as Apple's version, way back when. If I start with site A and switch to site B, then go to links from B, SnapBack takes me to A. In Apple's old version, it would snap back to the first page of B. The workaround is to open B in a new tab.


Edited by jchuzi (06/11/10 04:05 AM)
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#10504 - 06/11/10 04:26 PM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
> If I start with site A and switch to site B, then go to links from B, SnapBack takes me to A. In Apple's old version, it would snap back to the first page of B. (Emphasis added)

That always irked me about Apple's SnapBack; I'm happy to hear that SnapBack.safariextz works as I always expected the original to work.
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#10508 - 06/12/10 02:17 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: artie505]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Our preferences are quite different. I liked the way Apple's snapback worked. In addition, you could go to the History menu and set a particular page as snapback, which you can't do with SnapBack. Perhaps the developer will add more options in an update.
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#10517 - 06/12/10 11:59 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Our preferences are quite different. I liked the way Apple's snapback worked. In addition, you could go to the History menu and set a particular page as snapback, which you can't do with SnapBack. Perhaps the developer will add more options in an update.

What I liked about SnapBack was its (keyboard-centric) command-option-P and command-option-K functionality, but it sounds like this extension does not provide it.

If that's the case, I'm stuck in 10.4.7 until somebody gets it right.

Drat! frown
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#10518 - 06/12/10 12:37 PM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: artie505]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Out of curiosity, I tried both those key combos and neither does anything. FWIW, I am so used to opening links in tabs that I don't miss Snapback very much. There are worse things in life than losing Snapback.
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#10526 - 06/12/10 09:23 PM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
> Out of curiosity, I tried both those key combos and neither does anything.

Sighhhhhhhhh!

> FWIW, I am so used to opening links in tabs that I don't miss Snapback very much.

I've been using tabs for a coupl'a years, now, and I still can't begin to remember to hit command when I click on a link.

> There are worse things in life than losing Snapback.

I'm sure there are worse things in life, but in Mac computing...
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#10533 - 06/14/10 03:22 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
jchuzi Online


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Loc: New York State
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#10542 - 06/15/10 03:45 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
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#10555 - 06/15/10 08:41 PM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: artie505]
artie505 Online


Registered: 08/04/09
I've run across a second SnapBack extension (in post #11 here) which "(It) adds a pair of entries to the context menu - one for setting the snapback page and another for reloading that page."

Paired with the previously linked extension it actually surpasses Apple's original SnapBack functionality, but, without the key combos, only cumbersomely well.

(Can key combos can be implemented in an extension?)
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#10556 - 06/16/10 02:15 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: artie505]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
I have searched for that contextual menu by control-clicking the SnapBack icon and I can't find it. Has someone else managed to verify that it's there? The only options that I see are Keep Item Visible, Remove Item, and Customize Toolbar. I also tried control-clicking within a page and the desired CM items were missing also.


Edited by jchuzi (06/16/10 02:48 AM)
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#10557 - 06/16/10 03:39 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: jchuzi]
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Registered: 08/04/09

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I have searched for that contextual menu by control-clicking the SnapBack icon and I can't find it. Has someone else managed to verify that it's there? The only options that I see are Keep Item Visible, Remove Item, and Customize Toolbar. I also tried control-clicking within a page and the desired CM items were missing also.

Jon, I think you may be confusing the two SnapBacks being discussed.

The one artie referred to in his latest post doesn't place an icon in the toolbar; it adds a Mark Page for SnapBack item to the contextual menu (and, if a page has been so marked already, a Page SnapBack item as well).

[Aside to artie: with forums (such as those at MacRumors) using vBulletin software, you can link directly to individual posts by clicking on the post number itself and copying the resulting URL, e.g. post #11 here.]
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#10559 - 06/16/10 04:37 AM Re: Safari 5, first impressions [Re: dkmarsh]
jchuzi Online


Registered: 08/04/09
Loc: New York State
Maybe I am confused but I still am. I downloaded the SnapBack extension via the link in Post 11 from Artie's link, installed it, and still don't see those CM items. The one that I originally installed is Snapback 1.0.1 by Phillipe Martin and the new one is Snapback 1.0, listed as by 1(?).

OK, I found it. I had to quit Safari and relaunch before the second extension became active. The CM item appears when you control-click within the page, not the SnapBack icon.


Edited by jchuzi (06/16/10 04:40 AM)
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