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MartyByrde #57586 01/16/21 05:00 PM
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We are over 80 and have complications but here in Tarrant County we are on the list to get a reservation for a vaccination and they are saying it will be "several weeks" before we will even be able to get a reservation which may be several weeks after that. Best case, we are looking March or April. In the meantime, there are currently no available ICU beds within a 50 mile radius. We are setting new infection records and new death records two or more days every week. It is not the fault of the County health department or the local health care network, They simply do not know from day to day how many doses they will be receiving. Surely that couldn't be because Dallas and Tarrant counties voted Democratic in the last election?! The same situation is apparently true in Harris (Houston), Travis (Austin), Bexar (San Antonio) counties and they all voted Democratic too.

Even worse news, all the Apple Stores in Texas have been closed until further notice 😢



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joemikeb #57587 01/16/21 05:45 PM
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It is not the fault of the County health department or the local health care network, They simply do not know from day to day how many doses they will be receiving.
A news report yesterday evening talked about the problems that states have had with broken promises from the Trump administration. The states are guaranteed that they will get "X" number of doses by a specific date and they make rollout plans based on what they believe they will get. Then, shortly before the expected delivery date, the Trump administration simply reneges.

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joemikeb #57589 01/16/21 06:24 PM
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We are over 80 and have complications but here in Tarrant County we are on the list to get a reservation for a vaccination and they are saying it will be "several weeks" before we will even be able to get a reservation which may be several weeks after that. Best case, we are looking March or April. In the meantime, there are currently no available ICU beds within a 50 mile radius. We are setting new infection records and new death records two or more days every week. It is not the fault of the County health department or the local health care network, They simply do not know from day to day how many doses they will be receiving. Surely that couldn't be because Dallas and Tarrant counties voted Democratic in the last election?! The same situation is apparently true in Harris (Houston), Travis (Austin), Bexar (San Antonio) counties and they all voted Democratic too.

Even worse news, all the Apple Stores in Texas have been closed until further notice 😢

Our youngest son lives in Frisco, Texas, about 30 miles or so north of Dallas. Will ask him about all that.

Also, we are getting our vaccinations at a hospital, and hence I suspect that is one reason why they have the vaccine already. We could wait and get it from our PCP, but they do not yet know exactly when they will receive the vaccine (it will be the one manufactured by Moderna).

My wife and I are just so relieved that we'll be getting the vaccine soon, but again, we will not "go crazy" in terms of easing up on the COVID protocols.

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A news report yesterday evening talked about the problems that states have had with broken promises from the Trump administration. The states are guaranteed that they will get "X" number of doses by a specific date and they make rollout plans based on what they believe they will get. Then, shortly before the expected delivery date, the Trump administration simply reneges.
Part of the problem is that Project Warp Speed (the Fed’s vaccine distribution system to the states) switched from holding back second doses to shipping all available ones, based on the assumption that subsequent deliveries from the vaccine manufacturers would cover those second doses. When Secretary Azar announced this a few days ago, he didn’t mention that this policy had already been implemented for at least a week prior to his statement, and states expecting more doses because of this change found there weren’t going to be any beyond what they already received. I suspect that at least part of these ‘windfall’ doses were shipped to locations before their agreed upon delivery dates.

Another fly in the ointment is that the scaling up of vaccine production currently underway involves idling (part of) the production lines so that available vaccine is temporarily less than expected until production resumes at the new & higher levels, presumably sometime in February. This helps explain the reduction in deliveries to various countries and US states mentioned in the media during the last few days. The secrecy about all this maintained by various operatives in the Trump Administration didn’t help to alleviate the confusion.


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Another fly in the ointment is that the scaling up of vaccine production currently underway involves idling (part of) the production lines so that available vaccine is temporarily less than expected until production resumes at the new & higher levels, presumably sometime in February. This helps explain the reduction in deliveries to various countries and US states mentioned in the media during the last few days. The secrecy about all this maintained by various operatives in the Trump Administration didn’t help to alleviate the confusion.

Again, given that we'll be getting the injection at a hospital, they most likely ordered a number of the vaccine a while ago, and with the recent change here in the state of Washington allowing people age 70 and over to receive it, already had this planned. That's good for us.

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Also, we are getting our vaccinations at a hospital, and hence I suspect that is one reason why they have the vaccine already. We could wait and get it from our PCP, but they do not yet know exactly when they will receive the vaccine (it will be the one manufactured by Moderna).

My wife and I are just so relieved that we'll be getting the vaccine soon, but again, we will not "go crazy" in terms of easing up on the COVID protocols.
All vaccine in Texas is controlled by each of the 254 counties. They allocate the vaccine to the injection sights (hospitals, pharmacies, nursing homes, etc.) and reservations that are required to receive the vaccinations. There has been some confusion over that, because some pharmacies and health care providers have started taking reservations for the time when the vaccine become available to the general public. At the present we are still catching up with all the first responders and nursing home residents. We are in the next group, over 65 with chronic health conditions and suppressed immune systems, and they are talking two or three months before our first shot. In the meantime there are reports that Emergency Ambulance attendants are being told not to transport patients likely to die. No stories of ambulances circling for hours looking for a hospital to take a patient as in Los Angeles however.

This all sounds more dire than we are actually experiencing, but our family and friends have taken the CDC's advice to heart and have not had COVID-19. I would complain about being house-bound, but what's the point, everyone else I know is equally house-bound.



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joemikeb #57604 01/18/21 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MartyByrde
Also, we are getting our vaccinations at a hospital, and hence I suspect that is one reason why they have the vaccine already. We could wait and get it from our PCP, but they do not yet know exactly when they will receive the vaccine (it will be the one manufactured by Moderna).

My wife and I are just so relieved that we'll be getting the vaccine soon, but again, we will not "go crazy" in terms of easing up on the COVID protocols.
All vaccine in Texas is controlled by each of the 254 counties. They allocate the vaccine to the injection sights (hospitals, pharmacies, nursing homes, etc.) and reservations that are required to receive the vaccinations. There has been some confusion over that, because some pharmacies and health care providers have started taking reservations for the time when the vaccine become available to the general public. At the present we are still catching up with all the first responders and nursing home residents. We are in the next group, over 65 with chronic health conditions and suppressed immune systems, and they are talking two or three months before our first shot. In the meantime there are reports that Emergency Ambulance attendants are being told not to transport patients likely to die. No stories of ambulances circling for hours looking for a hospital to take a patient as in Los Angeles however.

This all sounds more dire than we are actually experiencing, but our family and friends have taken the CDC's advice to heart and have not had COVID-19. I would complain about being house-bound, but what's the point, everyone else I know is equally house-bound.

Here in Washington, up to now, no pharmacies have the vaccine yet. But as I stated earlier, hospitals have been getting the vaccine for a while. And I suspect they were anticipating the next group that would become eligible, which (as I also said above) includes folks 70 years and older, and thus have ordered (and apparently received) some more. Our PCP has ordered the Moderna vaccine, but they don't expect to receive it until next month.

Except for doctor's visits and food shopping trips (Costco and a Korean store), I have been staying home too. I'm OK with that, and to help keep an optimistic view, I am looking forward to early April, when I will be able to pick ferns. I will be able to be in the fresh air, get some much needed exercise, and will not have to worry about social distancing. My wife also spends most to the time home, but she does get out every so often to play Korean cards at an apartment not too far away. Those folks are definitely following the CDC guidelines and protocols. Same with family we have in the area.

Anyway, so glad we are both getting the first dose of the vaccine 2 weeks from tomorrow.

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In my area of New York State, the Moderna vaccine is the one that is being used. About two weeks ago, adults 75 and older were added to the eligible list and I made an appointment for myself (my wife, at 74, was just under the the list). My appointment was cancelled the day before the scheduled dosage due to lack of doses. I, and others who had signed up, were put on a priority list for appointments when more vaccine became available. Yesterday, that happened and I now have an appointment for this week. I hope that this one succeeds!

In the meantime, New Yorkers over 65 are now eligible. My wife would be unable to use my appointment because it is restricted to those who had had their previous appointments cancelled. She will go for immunization as soon as it becomes possible. One big question is the availability of the second shot.


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My wife (79) had her vaccination today. They phoned her up – can you get down her now? Central London, Astra Zeneca jab, second jab on April 6th. I'm 73 and in the next wave. Still, I had a call from my GP and made appointments to be seen for my diabetes and asthma, so the NHS is still functioning. Having said that, they are arranging to move patients into hotels to make room for new Covid cases and non-urgent operations are being cancelled. On the one hand, they announced the highest ever one day death toll yesterday, and confirmed that after 10 days of lockdown the new infection rate is decreasing.

Despite the shocking numbers, people I see outside my front window (I overlook a park) seem to be taking little notice of masks and social distancing. I despair...


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In my area of New York State, the Moderna vaccine is the one that is being used. About two weeks ago, adults 75 and older were added to the eligible list and I made an appointment for myself (my wife, at 74, was just under the the list). My appointment was cancelled the day before the scheduled dosage due to lack of doses. I, and others who had signed up, were put on a priority list for appointments when more vaccine became available. Yesterday, that happened and I now have an appointment for this week. I hope that this one succeeds!

In the meantime, New Yorkers over 65 are now eligible. My wife would be unable to use my appointment because it is restricted to those who had had their previous appointments cancelled. She will go for immunization as soon as it becomes possible. One big question is the availability of the second shot.

I'm originally from New York, but been in Washington since 1975. My wife is originally from Korea. I got notified, via EMail, that I was eligible for the COVID-19 vaccine. It came from the organization entitled CHI Franciscan Health (my wife and I have both visited physicians, specialists, and hospitals/clinics that are part of that network). I immediately went to their site and set up the appointments for both my wife and I, and got immediate confirmation for both. Again do not know which vaccine it is. Also, for the area I am in, there is not just one vaccine that is being dispensed. As I mentioned above, our PCP has ordered the Moderna vaccine. But when I visited my cardiologist last Wednesday, he said he had got the Pfizer vaccine.

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My wife (79) had her vaccination today. They phoned her up – can you get down her now? Central London, Astra Zeneca jab, second jab on April 6th. I'm 73 and in the next wave. Still, I had a call from my GP and made appointments to be seen for my diabetes and asthma, so the NHS is still functioning. Having said that, they are arranging to move patients into hotels to make room for new Covid cases and non-urgent operations are being cancelled. On the one hand, they announced the highest ever one day death toll yesterday, and confirmed that after 10 days of lockdown the new infection rate is decreasing.

Despite the shocking numbers, people I see outside my front window (I overlook a park) seem to be taking little notice of masks and social distancing. I despair...

Our oldest son lives in Richmond. He mentioned that basically all of London is shut down. In and around Seattle (we live about 20 miles south), there are still some places open. And for the most part, folks are good at following the COVID-19 protocols.

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It was announced in the press today that London has the highest Covid death rate in the world. And yet the police are still having to break up anti-lockdown protests. Nuts. All it takes is 25 people in a metropolitan area of 25 million. Nuts.

My wife went to bed early tonight with slight chills. The leaflet said she might experience flu-like symptoms for 2-3 days. She's never sick, so I'll be keeping an eye on her.


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And yet the police are still having to break up anti-lockdown protests. Nuts.
We have the same wackos in our city although there is a fellow holding his own protests - against the wackos. He shows up wherever they are and, about a half kilometer up the road from them, he displays a large sign that drivers can't miss. It says: "Caution - Ignorance Ahead".


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It was announced in the press today that London has the highest Covid death rate in the world. And yet the police are still having to break up anti-lockdown protests. Nuts. All it takes is 25 people in a metropolitan area of 25 million. Nuts.

My wife went to bed early tonight with slight chills. The leaflet said she might experience flu-like symptoms for 2-3 days. She's never sick, so I'll be keeping an eye on her.

Which vaccine did she get? Pfizer or Moderna?

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We have the same wackos in our city although there is a fellow holding his own protests - against the wackos. He shows up wherever they are and, about a half kilometer up the road from them, he displays a large sign that drivers can't miss. It says: "Caution - Ignorance Ahead".
If you see him, tell him he desperately needed in Austin, TX. There is an entire capital building and Governor's Mansion chock full of ignorant people. (NOTE: we have come up with a system for getting rid of the most ignorant, we elect them to congress. If you don't believe me, take Ted Cruze as my first exhibit. Please — just take him!)



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Astra Zeneca

Interesting. That particular vaccine has not yet obtained approval here in the US.

Meanwhile, the governor of Washington state (where I am located) yesterday announced some significant changes:

1. The next group to get the vaccine will be for folks 65 years and older. Originally it was for folks 70 years and older.

2. The goal is to vaccinate 45,000 people each day throughout the state. But of course there some logistic/supply related issues that are still somewhat prevalent which can inhibit that goal.

Anyway, glad my wife and I don't have to worry about any of that, as we are already scheduled to receive our vaccine on February 1st.

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... I am looking forward to early April, when I will be able to pick ferns. I will be able to be in the fresh air, get some much needed exercise, and will not have to worry about social distancing.
Yes, yes, yes, and not quite: Researchers warn of another Covid spike if people mix after vaccine
After all, we're dealing with two-way traffic...

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... I am looking forward to early April, when I will be able to pick ferns. I will be able to be in the fresh air, get some much needed exercise, and will not have to worry about social distancing.
Yes, yes, yes, and not quite: Researchers warn of another Covid spike if people mix after vaccine
After all, we're dealing with two-way traffic...

Forgot to clearly state that when I go pick the ferns, the areas I go to are isolated, and I hardly see anyone at all. Hence, no need to worry about social distancing, nor contacting (will have already received the 2 doses of the vaccine by then) and/or spreading the disease.

Around here, there are a good number of casinos still opened, and it definitely is concerning about people gathering there and being close to each other. I stopped going after the night before Thanksgiving). And I continue to have no plans in going back for quite a while, even with getting the vaccine.

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Yes, yes, yes, and not quite: Researchers warn of another Covid spike if people mix after vaccine
After all, we're dealing with two-way traffic...
A doctor (infectious disease specialist) being interviewed on the radio also warned about this. He also said that just because the numbers showed the vaccines to be more than 90% effective in carefully conducted clinical trials, the numbers would likely be significantly lower in the real world.

Here in Canada, stupid political decisions are also compromising the effectiveness of the vaccines, because some provincial governments have decided (contrary to the vaccine mfgr's advice) not to reserve the second doses, and are using up their entire supply for first doses, then crossing their fingers hoping that more vaccines will arrive in time for the second dose. At the same time, Pfizer has announced that, starting immediately, they will reduce or completely stop shipments for a month, so that they can make changes to their plant in Belgium to increase production. So, I'm rather glad that I'm far enough down on the list, that things will be operating smoothly (hopefully) by the time I get my shot.


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Yes, yes, yes, and not quite: Researchers warn of another Covid spike if people mix after vaccine
After all, we're dealing with two-way traffic...
A doctor (infectious disease specialist) being interviewed on the radio also warned about this. He also said that just because the numbers showed the vaccines to be more than 90% effective in carefully conducted clinical trials, the numbers would likely be significantly lower in the real world.

I wonder if such a statement is made with the assumption that folks who get the vaccine will no longer practice the necessary protocols. I sure hope folks will be smart enough to continue to follow them even after getting the vaccine. I know for certain both my wife and I will.

Unfortunately, thee will still be folks who do not practice the necessary protocols, and with nicer weather coming in the spring and summer, that could get worse.

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Here in Canada, stupid political decisions are also compromising the effectiveness of the vaccines, because some provincial governments have decided (contrary to the vaccine mfgr's advice) not to reserve the second doses, and are using up their entire supply for first doses, then crossing their fingers hoping that more vaccines will arrive in time for the second dose. At the same time, Pfizer has announced that, starting immediately, they will reduce or completely stop shipments for a month, so that they can make changes to their plant in Belgium to increase production. So, I'm rather glad that I'm far enough down on the list, that things will be operating smoothly (hopefully) by the time I get my shot.

Man, talk about a perfect example of what Tom Hanks said in Forrest Gump: Stupid is as stupid does. Thankfully have not heard anything like that in the US, and specifically in Washington state where we are located. I am making the logical assumption that since we are getting the first dose of the vaccine at a hospital, they have enough (maybe more than enough) for the second dose.

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I wonder if such a statement is made with the assumption that folks who get the vaccine will no longer practice the necessary protocols.
While that is a big concern, I think he was pointing out that in a clinical trial, they are careful to make sure that everything is perfect. In actual practice there are always going to be a lot of unforeseen problems, due to possible mishandling of the vaccine, human error, etc. That interview was a few weeks ago, so my facts may not be accurate, but I seem to recall him saying that a vaccine that is 90% effective in a clinical trial will typically be more like 70% effective in practice. That's still pretty good, but it explains why people shouldn't consider themselves to be invincible after getting their shot.

Fortunately, the province where I live is reserving enough vaccine for the second dose, at least for now.


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The Astra Zeneca vaccine is the Oxford one. It's made here and easy to handle/refrigerate. But supply is an issue, so second jabs are being offered after three months, instead of three weeks so that as many as possible can get their first jabs before the second is delivered. My wife had her first a couple days ago. Despite going to bed with chills, she feels fine now.

I got a text today offering me a range of dates and locations for my jabs. So, Monday, I get my first a short train ride away, then the 2nd on April 16th. To me, this means that lockdown last until the end of April at the very least. Maybe by autumn, things will start returning to "the new normal".

I put a lot of trust in the NHS. You have to – London has the highest Covid death rate in the world right now.

My wife's 80th birthday is 14 April. I've booked her favourite restaurant, just in case we're allowed. I have not lost all hope. Yet...


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Man, talk about a perfect example of what Tom Hanks said in Forrest Gump: Stupid is as stupid does. Thankfully have not heard anything like that in the US, and specifically in Washington state where we are located. I am making the logical assumption that since we are getting the first dose of the vaccine at a hospital, they have enough (maybe more than enough) for the second dose.
As I mentioned above, not holding back second doses is exactly what the Trump administration did, starting about two weeks ago. That said, I suppose it's (still) up to the states or localities to either keep second doses in reserve, or hope for timely additional shipments. And if you don't mind my saying so, from where I sit it's hard to judge the logic of your assumption about your local hospital's policy... wink


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I wonder if such a statement is made with the assumption that folks who get the vaccine will no longer practice the necessary protocols.
While that is a big concern, I think he was pointing out that in a clinical trial, they are careful to make sure that everything is perfect. In actual practice there are always going to be a lot of unforeseen problems, due to possible mishandling of the vaccine, human error, etc. That interview was a few weeks ago, so my facts may not be accurate, but I seem to recall him saying that a vaccine that is 90% effective in a clinical trial will typically be more like 70% effective in practice. That's still pretty good, but it explains why people shouldn't consider themselves to be invincible after getting their shot.

Fortunately, the province where I live is reserving enough vaccine for the second dose, at least for now.
Well stated! And I like your use of the descriptive word invincible. Anyone who thinks they are after getting the vaccine needs to have their head examined.

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