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Posted By: plantsower Removing Cookies - 06/24/18 04:11 AM
I like to remove cookies every night. I keep two. After I remove them for the first time, more show up and I delete them. The weird thing is some are cookies from websites I haven't visited in awhile. Why are there cookies on my computer from those websites; i.e. costco for instance?
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/24/18 06:44 AM
Your problem may be Evercookies.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/24/18 04:08 PM
Looks like I have to routinely empty cache and clear history. I use Disconnect which I thought was supposed to stop all that. The guy that invented it should be ashamed of himself unless I'm missing something.


Originally Posted By: artie505
Your problem may be Evercookies.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/24/18 05:27 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Looks like I have to routinely empty cache and clear history. I use Disconnect which I thought was supposed to stop all that. The guy that invented it should be ashamed of himself unless I'm missing something.


Originally Posted By: artie505
Your problem may be Evercookies.

I asked Cookie's developer if it could deal with Evercookies, and he replied

Originally Posted By: Russell
Yup,

Just make sure cache removal is enabled.

I've got Cookie set to clear cache whenever I quit Safari, and I sometimes do interim command-option-E clears. (Note that you can't clear cache while Safari is running by any method other than that command.)

What you're missing is that Evercookies are beneficial to those who place them.
Posted By: jchuzi Re: Removing Cookies - 06/24/18 06:15 PM
Originally Posted By: aratie505
I've got Cookie set to clear cache whenever I quit Safari, and I sometimes do interim command-option-E clears. (Note that you can't clear cache while Safari is running by any method other than that command.)

Another way is to use the Develop menu, which lists that keyboard shortcut as a reminder.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/24/18 06:27 PM
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Originally Posted By: aratie505
I've got Cookie set to clear cache whenever I quit Safari, and I sometimes do interim command-option-E clears. (Note that you can't clear cache while Safari is running by any method other than that command.)

Another way is to use the Develop menu, which lists that keyboard shortcut as a reminder.

Why would I want to mouse up to my menu bar and click on "Develop" and then mouse down to and click on "Empty Caches" when there's a much quicker/easier key command?

I don't see the key command as a "reminder", but as a "this is how you really do it".

And I'm sure there are many who don't agree. tongue
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/24/18 08:54 PM
Where can I look to see the cache before I delete it?


Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Looks like I have to routinely empty cache and clear history. I use Disconnect which I thought was supposed to stop all that. The guy that invented it should be ashamed of himself unless I'm missing something.


Originally Posted By: artie505
Your problem may be Evercookies.

I asked Cookie's developer if it could deal with Evercookies, and he replied

Originally Posted By: Russell
Yup,

Just make sure cache removal is enabled.

I've got Cookie set to clear cache whenever I quit Safari, and I sometimes do interim command-option-E clears. (Note that you can't clear cache while Safari is running by any method other than that command.)

What you're missing is that Evercookies are beneficial to those who place them.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/24/18 10:29 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Where can I look to see the cache before I delete it?

If you mean you want to examine what's in cache before you clear it, I don't know if it's possible.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/24/18 10:40 PM
Yes, that's why I meant.


Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Where can I look to see the cache before I delete it?

If you mean you want to examine what's in cache before you clear it, I don't know if it's possible.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/24/18 10:54 PM
I looked at a couple of apps on MacUpdate, and they seem to show no more than the URLs of the websites you've visited.

There may be a pertinent app, but I'm unaware of it.
Posted By: grelber Re: Removing Cookies - 06/24/18 11:53 PM
Originally Posted By: artie505
I looked at a couple of apps on MacUpdate, and they seem to show no more than the URLs of the websites you've visited.
There may be a pertinent app, but I'm unaware of it.

I gather that Safari, unlike Firefox, does not allow examination of cache(s).
In Firefox I just enter about:cache in the URL window and thereby gain access to complete descriptions of each and every cached item.
Every cookie (and subordinate cookies) in Safari (as in Firefox) should be viewable and manageable in a straightforward manner.
It's unclear to me why there should be a problem here.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/25/18 12:15 AM
Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: artie505
I looked at a couple of apps on MacUpdate, and they seem to show no more than the URLs of the websites you've visited.
There may be a pertinent app, but I'm unaware of it.

I gather that Safari, unlike Firefox, does not allow examination of cache(s).
In Firefox I just enter about:cache in the URL window and thereby gain access to complete descriptions of each and every cached item.
Every cookie (and subordinate cookies) in Safari (as in Firefox) should be viewable and manageable in a straightforward manner.
It's unclear to me why there should be a problem here.

If Safari has got such a feature I've never heard it mentioned. (I just looked in my "Develop" menu and didn't see anything pertinent.)

If it's not intrusive, would you please post a screenshot?

Why have you injected cookies into a cache discussion?
Posted By: grelber Re: Removing Cookies - 06/25/18 09:09 AM
As previously noted, when I enter about:cache into Firefox's URL window (in a new tab), I get a page with the title Information about the Network Cache Storage Service, within I can access information on 3 separate caches: memory, disk, appcache; the first two permit complete List Cache Entries.

I just looked through my Safari (9.1.2) and also found nothing equivalent. You may have to install a third-party extension to monitor the cache(s), which is what I had prior to Mozilla upgrading their browser to Firefox Quantum, which disabled many such extensions while at the same time providing their own internally secure and robust versions (although in this case the ability to access cache lists via about:cache, much like configuration via about:config, existed prior to that).

Originally Posted By: artie505
If it's not intrusive, would you please post a screenshot?

I'd like to supply a screenshot, but the last time I tried to do so using Imgur (as you may recall), it was so frustrating that I gave up (even after several days of exploring it). Plus I could figure out no way to do so without leaving "a trail of breadcrumbs".
Perhaps someone else who uses Firefox and and has better luck with Imgur could oblige.

Originally Posted By: artie505
Why have you injected cookies into a cache discussion?

Cookies were the original starting point for this thread (Removing Cookies).
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/25/18 09:31 AM
Originally Posted By: grelber
As previously noted....

I'd like to supply a screenshot....

Oops! I forgot that I've got Firefox. I just took a look for myself. (I'll never understand why you had a problem with Imgur; it's not quite the MOST intuitive website I've ever seen, but it ranks high up there.)

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: artie505
Why have you injected cookies into a cache discussion?

Cookies were the original starting point for this thread (Removing Cookies).

Yeah, but your injecting them into the middle of a discussion about cache was confusing.
Posted By: MG2009 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/25/18 03:19 PM
In a FINDER window:

1. Go to the HD folder and open it. Open SYSTEM/LIBRARY and LIBRARY folders. There will be a CACHE folder in which you can see each item. Some items are "blocked" and cannot be deleted. At least, not by trying to simply move to the Trash. (In most cases, I would expect there is nothing of interest to remove there and probably not wise to do so. I never have.)

2. Also, go to your USER LIBRARY folder and open it. Note: This can be found using the FINDER Dropdown Menu = Go while holding the Opt key.

There will be a CACHE folder in there as well. Inside that is a COM.APPLE.SAFARI folder plus a METADATA folder which contains the SAFARI cache. (P.S. I only use the SAFARI browser, but I suspect with a little digging around, other browser caches will be nearby.)

Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/25/18 04:04 PM
I went to Google and found this because of your post regarding removing cache:

Firefox
From the History menu, select Clear Recent History. ...
From the Time range to clear: drop-down menu, select the desired range; to clear your entire cache, select Everything.
Next to "Details", click the down arrow to choose which elements of the history to clear; to clear your entire cache, select all items.


So thanks! At least it's out of Firefox for now which I use rare
ly.



Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: artie505
I looked at a couple of apps on MacUpdate, and they seem to show no more than the URLs of the websites you've visited.
There may be a pertinent app, but I'm unaware of it.

I gather that Safari, unlike Firefox, does not allow examination of cache(s).
In Firefox I just enter about:cache in the URL window and thereby gain access to complete descriptions of each and every cached item.
Every cookie (and subordinate cookies) in Safari (as in Firefox) should be viewable and manageable in a straightforward manner.
It's unclear to me why there should be a problem here.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/25/18 04:16 PM
Funny, using Option to find the User Library doesn't work for me. It used to on my other laptop, but not this one.


Originally Posted By: MG2009
In a FINDER window:

1. Go to the HD folder and open it. Open SYSTEM/LIBRARY and LIBRARY folders. There will be a CACHE folder in which you can see each item. Some items are "blocked" and cannot be deleted. At least, not by trying to simply move to the Trash. (In most cases, I would expect there is nothing of interest to remove there and probably not wise to do so. I never have.)

2. Also, go to your USER LIBRARY folder and open it. Note: This can be found using the FINDER Dropdown Menu = Go while holding the Opt key.

There will be a CACHE folder in there as well. Inside that is a COM.APPLE.SAFARI folder plus a METADATA folder which contains the SAFARI cache. (P.S. I only use the SAFARI browser, but I suspect with a little digging around, other browser caches will be nearby.)

Posted By: joemikeb Re: Removing Cookies - 06/25/18 07:00 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Funny, using Option to find the User Library doesn't work for me. It used to on my other laptop, but not this one.

It is Shift+Command+G (⇧⌘G) while you are in Finder then enter
  • ~/Library — to get the User Library (Don't forget the tilde (~) before the slash)
  • /Library — to get the root Library
  • /System/Library — to get the System Library
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/25/18 10:24 PM
Thank you!!


Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Funny, using Option to find the User Library doesn't work for me. It used to on my other laptop, but not this one.

It is Shift+Command+G (⇧⌘G) while you are in Finder then enter
  • ~/Library — to get the User Library (Don't forget the tilde (~) before the slash)
  • /Library — to get the root Library
  • /System/Library — to get the System Library
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/25/18 11:11 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Funny, using Option to find the User Library doesn't work for me. It used to on my other laptop, but not this one.

Option is unnecessary In my High Sierra; clicking on Finder > Go shows "Library" (i.e. ~/Library) in the drop-down.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/26/18 12:37 AM
Didn't Go used to show Library once upon a time, and then they felt the need to hide it?


Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Funny, using Option to find the User Library doesn't work for me. It used to on my other laptop, but not this one.

Option is unnecessary In my High Sierra; clicking on Finder > Go shows "Library" (i.e. ~/Library) in the drop-down.
Posted By: Urquhart Re: Removing Cookies - 06/26/18 01:03 AM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Didn't Go used to show Library once upon a time, and then they felt the need to hide it?

The default is hidden (10.7 and higher), but there is now (10.9 and higher) a setting to make it show (again) like a regular folder. But the setting only shows with your Home folder open, then ⌘J Show View Options.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/26/18 01:34 PM
Artie: Did you remove your offer to give me a Terminal Command for Library? Because when I clicked on the link in my email I got an error message as such: There was a problem looking up this post in our database.
Please click [ Back ] to return to the previous pag
e.

I looked here and still couldn't find your offer.



Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Funny, using Option to find the User Library doesn't work for me. It used to on my other laptop, but not this one.

Option is unnecessary In my High Sierra; clicking on Finder > Go shows "Library" (i.e. ~/Library) in the drop-down.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/26/18 01:54 PM
I deleted it because Urquhart's method is easier.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/26/18 02:59 PM
I just followed his instructions and found the "show library folder" is already checked, but it still doesn't show in my "Go" dropdown list.


Originally Posted By: artie505
I deleted it because Urquhart's method is easier.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/26/18 03:19 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I just followed his instructions and found the "show library folder" is already checked, but it still doesn't show in my "Go" dropdown list.


Originally Posted By: artie505
I deleted it because Urquhart's method is easier.

If you don't see this, is there any change if you click on option?

This is from 18 ways to view the ~/Library folder in Lion and Mountain Lion | Macworld, and it's obviously old, but you can try...

Quote:
Change the hidden flag using Terminal: Launch Terminal from within your own account, type chflags nohidden ~/Library, and press Return. Your Library folder is now permanently visible. To make the folder invisible again, use the command chflags hidden ~/Library.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: Removing Cookies - 06/26/18 04:20 PM
Try Shift+Command+L (⇧⌘L) to go directly to your user Library, BUT you must click on the desktop first, to switch the focus to Finder.

Actually I had missed that addition to the GO menu blush
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/26/18 07:54 PM
Artie: That terminal command didn't work. I copied and pasted it so I would get the spaces right. And no change when I pressed Option. I'd rather do the Terminal thing so I don't have to keep remember what to click.

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I just followed his instructions and found the "show library folder" is already checked, but it still doesn't show in my "Go" dropdown list.


Originally Posted By: artie505
I deleted it because Urquhart's method is easier.

If you don't see this, is there any change if you click on option?

This is from 18 ways to view the ~/Library folder in Lion and Mountain Lion | Macworld, and it's obviously old, but you can try...

Quote:
Change the hidden flag using Terminal: Launch Terminal from within your own account, type chflags nohidden ~/Library, and press Return. Your Library folder is now permanently visible. To make the folder invisible again, use the command chflags hidden ~/Library.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/26/18 07:54 PM
Thank you. That works, too.

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Try Shift+Command+L (⇧⌘L) to go directly to your user Library, BUT you must click on the desktop first, to switch the focus to Finder.

Actually I had missed that addition to the GO menu blush
Posted By: Urquhart Re: Removing Cookies - 06/26/18 10:15 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
but it still doesn't show in my "Go" dropdown list.

Try holding the Shift key while navigating the Go menu.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/26/18 10:34 PM
Even easier. Thanks.


Originally Posted By: Urquhart
Originally Posted By: plantsower
but it still doesn't show in my "Go" dropdown list.

Try holding the Shift key while navigating the Go menu.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/27/18 12:14 AM
Uo for an experiment?

Uncheck the "Show Library Folder" box to which Urquhart directed you.

Power down (NOT restart) your MBP.

Start up, and recheck that box.

Fingers crossed.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/27/18 03:30 AM
Nope!! Didn't work!

Originally Posted By: artie505
Uo for an experiment?

Uncheck the "Show Library Folder" box to which Urquhart directed you.

Power down (NOT restart) your MBP.

Start up, and recheck that box.

Fingers crossed.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/27/18 06:44 AM
I give up.

I'd suggest trashing the applicable plist, but I've got no idea which one it is.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/28/18 12:57 AM
LOL! Thanks anyway. It's funny that I was able to do it for my older laptop but not this one. I don't know if it was the same exact terminal command though. I looked up how to do it on my own and it was the Terminal command you gave me, so I give up, too. Knowing that all I have to do is press "shift" is helpful though.

Originally Posted By: artie505
I give up.

I'd suggest trashing the applicable plist, but I've got no idea which one it is.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/28/18 01:19 AM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Knowing that all I have to do is press "shift" is helpful though.

Reinstalling Sierra or even rerunning the 10.12.6 Combo (or upgrading to High Sierra tongue ) will probably cure your ill.

(When I uncheck the "Show..." box in my High Sierra, "shift" doesn't work to show my library; only "option" works.)
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/28/18 03:39 AM
Yeah, using the shift key is fine. I rarely have to do any of that anyway, Reinstalling Sierra, etc., is way too much trouble for such a little problem. Thanks, Artie.



Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Knowing that all I have to do is press "shift" is helpful though.

Reinstalling Sierra or even rerunning the 10.12.6 Combo (or upgrading to High Sierra tongue ) will probably cure your ill.

(When I uncheck the "Show..." box in my High Sierra, "shift" doesn't work to show my library; only "option" works.)
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/28/18 03:47 AM
I found these instructions on a MacRumors forum and tried it and it worked:

You can try to open Finder, press Cmd shift . (it is dot, period) which reveals hidden folders and, after that, on the left side, go to main folder (usually your name) and you will se Library folder grey shaded.

You can drag it on the left side holding ALT and CMD butto
n.


So now my library folder is on the side bar of Finder. No need to go to "Go."

Originally Posted By: plantsower
Yeah, using the shift key is fine. I rarely have to do any of that anyway, Reinstalling Sierra, etc., is way too much trouble for such a little problem. Thanks, Artie.



Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Knowing that all I have to do is press "shift" is helpful though.

Reinstalling Sierra or even rerunning the 10.12.6 Combo (or upgrading to High Sierra tongue ) will probably cure your ill.

(When I uncheck the "Show..." box in my High Sierra, "shift" doesn't work to show my library; only "option" works.)
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/28/18 07:03 AM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
So now my library folder is on the side bar of Finder. No need to go to "Go."

cool

This is the second time I've noticed this in one of your posts:

Originally Posted By: plantsower
You can try to open Finder, press Cmd shift . (it is dot, period) which reveals hidden folders and, after that, on the left side, go to main folder (usually your name) and you will se Library folder grey shaded.

You can drag it on the left side holding ALT and CMD butto
n.

Code:
[quote=plantsower][color:#CC0000][b]You can try to open Finder, press Cmd shift . (it is dot, period) which reveals hidden folders and, after that, on the left side, go to main folder (usually your name) and you will se Library folder grey shaded.

You can drag it on the left side holding ALT and CMD butto[/color]n.[/b]

Based on your [color] and [b] tags, it looks to me like the "n" in "button" should be bold, but not colored, and yet the opposite is true.

What am I missing? confused
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/28/18 04:07 PM
I don't know. Is it that important, Artie? Picky picky.


Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
So now my library folder is on the side bar of Finder. No need to go to "Go."

cool

This is the second time I've noticed this in one of your posts:

Originally Posted By: plantsower
You can try to open Finder, press Cmd shift . (it is dot, period) which reveals hidden folders and, after that, on the left side, go to main folder (usually your name) and you will se Library folder grey shaded.

You can drag it on the left side holding ALT and CMD butto
n.

Code:
[quote=plantsower][color:#CC0000][b]You can try to open Finder, press Cmd shift . (it is dot, period) which reveals hidden folders and, after that, on the left side, go to main folder (usually your name) and you will se Library folder grey shaded.

You can drag it on the left side holding ALT and CMD butto[/color]n.[/b]

Based on your [color] and [b] tags, it looks to me like the "n" in "button" should be bold, but not colored, and yet the opposite is true.

What am I missing? confused
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/28/18 06:31 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I don't know. Is it that important, Artie? Picky picky.

Just curious, Rita.

I thought I had tags pretty well figured out, but this seems totally anomalous.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/28/18 08:22 PM
I never know what tags are. It won't stick when I read about it.


Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I don't know. Is it that important, Artie? Picky picky.

Just curious, Rita.

I thought I had tags pretty well figured out, but this seems totally anomalous.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/28/18 08:35 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I never know what tags are. It won't stick when I read about it.

Don't waste your time reading.

Just select what you want to be tagged, double-check to be sure that you've got your selection correct, and hit the button at the top of the box.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/28/18 09:14 PM
That's what I do but for some reason it doesn't always work. Maybe I'm not careful enough at times.

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I never know what tags are. It won't stick when I read about it.

Don't waste your time reading.

Just select what you want to be tagged, double-check to be sure that you've got your selection correct, and hit the button at the top of the box.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/28/18 10:45 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
That's what I do but for some reason it doesn't always work. Maybe I'm not careful enough at times.

You misplace the end of your selection, usually omitting or adding a character.

Ain't no big deal to me, Rita, because you always make your point, even if it isn't in the most aesthetic fashion, but it would make grelber happier. tongue

And I still don't understand what happened in your earlier post. confused
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/29/18 04:37 AM
Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
That's what I do but for some reason it doesn't always work. Maybe I'm not careful enough at times.

You misplace the end of your selection, usually omitting or adding a character.

Ain't no big deal to me, Rita, because you always make your point, even if it isn't in the most aesthetic fashion, but it would make grelber happier. tongue LOL!

And I still don't understand what happened in your earlier post. confused


Which post is th
at?
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/29/18 05:49 AM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Originally Posted By: artie505
And I still don't understand what happened in your earlier post. confused

Which post is that?

Post #49244 , the one that started the whole tags discussion.

And, as a matter of fact, you've done it again!

Code:
[color:#FF0000][b]Which post is th[/color]at?[/b]

Per those tags, it looks like the "at" in "that" should be bold, but not red, rather than red, but not bold.

If [b] precedes [color:] it comes out as expected.

Is this a UBB.threads bug?

Aaargh!
Posted By: Virtual1 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/29/18 01:53 PM
Originally Posted By: artie505
Code:
[color:#FF0000][b]Which post is th[/color]at?[/b]

Per those tags, it looks like the "at" in "that" should be bold, but not red, rather than red, but not bold.

If [b] precedes [color:] it comes out as expected.

Is this a UBB.threads bug?

Aaargh!


type a line

Code:
this is a test



highlight it, and select red

Code:
[color:#FF0000]this is a test[/color]



now highlight from "this" to the end of the line (which therefore includes the /color tag) and select BOLD

Code:
[color:#FF0000][b]this is a test[/color][/b]


and that's how you cross-nest tags. spin the wheel of fortune to guess how it's going to mark it up.

(also just now I tried to bold "that's" and failed, because the parser still has a bold stuck in its craw)
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/29/18 04:15 PM
Are you channeling grelber? tongue





Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Originally Posted By: artie505
And I still don't understand what happened in your earlier post. confused

Which post is that?

Post #49244 , the one that started the whole tags discussion.

And, as a matter of fact, you've done it again!

Code:
[color:#FF0000][b]Which post is th[/color]at?[/b]

Per those tags, it looks like the "at" in "that" should be bold, but not red, rather than red, but not bold.

If [b] precedes [color:] it comes out as expected.

Is this a UBB.threads bug?

Aaargh!
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/29/18 04:16 PM
So it's not me? Whew!



Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: artie505
Code:
[color:#FF0000][b]Which post is th[/color]at?[/b]

Per those tags, it looks like the "at" in "that" should be bold, but not red, rather than red, but not bold.

If [b] precedes [color:] it comes out as expected.

Is this a UBB.threads bug?

Aaargh!


type a line

Code:
this is a test



highlight it, and select red

Code:
[color:#FF0000]this is a test[/color]



now highlight from "this" to the end of the line (which therefore includes the /color tag) and select BOLD

Code:
[color:#FF0000][b]this is a test[/color][/b]


and that's how you cross-nest tags. spin the wheel of fortune to guess how it's going to mark it up.

(also just now I tried to bold "that's" and failed, because the parser still has a bold stuck in its craw)
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/30/18 05:33 AM
Originally Posted By: Virtual1
and that's how you cross-nest tags. spin the wheel of fortune to guess how it's going to mark it up.

So the seemingly anomalous rendering is really unexpectedly expected. tongue

Thanks for the explanation.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 06/30/18 05:35 AM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
So it's not me? Whew!

There was never any question of its having been you; the question has been "WHY?"
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 06/30/18 03:47 PM
OK, then I feel better! This website is quirky in other ways too, at times.



Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
So it's not me? Whew!

There was never any question of its having been you; the question has been "WHY?"
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/13/18 10:11 PM
I called AppleCare today about the ever cookie, zombie cookies and now Fingerprinting way of scattering cookies all through our computers. The Tier 2 tech said that those cookies depend on Java and that even though I'm not using it, the sites I go to are using it. So, that's how they can get it into my Mac. That kind of made sense.

She also said that Mojave has blocked Java completely, even when one goes to another site, so she thinks that may take care of it.

What do you guys think? I've been avoiding upgrading to Mojave. What are the pros and cons of Mojava in your experience?

Thanks.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: Removing Cookies - 10/14/18 11:59 AM
IMHO the only con is the same as any other MacOS upgrade, you will need to upgrade/update a lot of apps for full compatibility. As to the pros, security is tighter (which does mean an extra step or two when passwords are involved), it is stable, fast, and has a plethora of cool new features. D
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/14/18 05:12 PM
Sorry for the late answer. I had to try 3 browsers before I could get in! Thanks, Joemike for your input. Anyone else?


Originally Posted By: joemikeb
IMHO the only con is the same as any other MacOS upgrade, you will need to upgrade/update a lot of apps for full compatibility. As to the pros, security is tighter (which does mean an extra step or two when passwords are involved), it is stable, fast, and has a plethora of cool new features. D
Posted By: Ira L Re: Removing Cookies - 10/15/18 04:25 PM
I upgraded a late 2014 iMac 5K over the past weekend. Everything so far has gone quite smoothly.

As joemikeb mentioned, some apps will require additional security allowances. But I found that process to be very straightforward and many of the app developers provided instructions on what was required for their specific application.

My move was from MacOS 10.13.x. You may find a two level upgrade (i.e., from 10.12.x) a little bumpier, but you are not the only one to be making that jump. From what I have read, many people are saying this is one of the smoothest initial upgrades of any OS X.

Also, based on other comments in this forum, I am using Dark Mode and liking it.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/15/18 04:43 PM
Ira: Would you explain what you mean by additional security allowances? I like the fact that I don't have to remember my passwords now. Would that still be the case?

Also, I just noticed that when I disable JavaScript, I cannot get into YouTube which I use a lot.

Rita





Originally Posted By: Ira L
I upgraded a late 2014 iMac 5K over the past weekend. Everything so far has gone quite smoothly.

As joemikeb mentioned, some apps will require additional security allowances. But I found that process to be very straightforward and many of the app developers provided instructions on what was required for their specific application.

My move was from MacOS 10.13.x. You may find a two level upgrade (i.e., from 10.12.x) a little bumpier, but you are not the only one to be making that jump. From what I have read, many people are saying this is one of the smoothest initial upgrades of any OS X.

Also, based on other comments in this forum, I am using Dark Mode and liking it.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: Removing Cookies - 10/15/18 06:23 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Would you explain what you mean by additional security allowances? I like the fact that I don't have to remember my passwords now. Would that still be the case?

Also, I just noticed that when I disable JavaScript, I cannot get into YouTube which I use a lot.

That question covers a lot of different areas and I don't remember them all but among the security changes are...
  • Requiring a user with admin privileges to go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy and specifically grant an app access to specific parts of the system. This is a one time step every time you install an app that requires access to parts of the system outside of the app's "sandbox".
  • with auto filed fields in Safari the user is required to enter their login password or fingerprint before allowing auto filling a field. That will happen every time that field is auto filled. (My wife just got a long email about that from our password manager 1Password justifying Apple's decision to do this.
  • This is independent of Apple but more and more critical sites are requiring "two-factor authentication."
As congress, and the administration are just now recognizing, the internet is a dangerous environment. Software companies are struggling not to keep up rather to not get any further behind. The same can be said of users and increased security will inevitably mean inconvenience. I have a couple of hundred passwords and far too many are either duplicated, way too old, or grossly out of date. So with the help of the aforementioned 1Password I am in the process of updating all my passwords to unique, current, and secure. I figure I will finish just in time to start the cycle all over again. 🤬

My suggestion is get a good password management system, there are several on the App Store, and use it diligently. Keychain is secure, bit it does not have the management features of 1Password and its kin,
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/15/18 06:30 PM
Thanks, JoeMike. I don't like keychain. I can't remember what happened but it caused me a problem so I quit using it. I thought about using a password app but I am paranoid about it getting hacked and then someone would have all my passwords conveniently in one location. Is that not an issue? Thanks.


Rita





Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Would you explain what you mean by additional security allowances? I like the fact that I don't have to remember my passwords now. Would that still be the case?

Also, I just noticed that when I disable JavaScript, I cannot get into YouTube which I use a lot.

That question covers a lot of different areas and I don't remember them all but among the security changes are...
  • Requiring a user with admin privileges to go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy and specifically grant an app access to specific parts of the system. This is a one time step every time you install an app that requires access to parts of the system outside of the app's "sandbox".
  • with auto filed fields in Safari the user is required to enter their login password or fingerprint before allowing auto filling a field. That will happen every time that field is auto filled. (My wife just got a long email about that from our password manager 1Password justifying Apple's decision to do this.
  • This is independent of Apple but more and more critical sites are requiring "two-factor authentication."
As congress, and the administration are just now recognizing, the internet is a dangerous environment. Software companies are struggling not to keep up rather to not get any further behind. The same can be said of users and increased security will inevitably mean inconvenience. I have a couple of hundred passwords and far too many are either duplicated, way too old, or grossly out of date. So with the help of the aforementioned 1Password I am in the process of updating all my passwords to unique, current, and secure. I figure I will finish just in time to start the cycle all over again. 🤬

My suggestion is get a good password management system, there are several on the App Store, and use it diligently. Keychain is secure, bit it does not have the management features of 1Password and its kin,
Posted By: joemikeb Re: Removing Cookies - 10/15/18 10:47 PM
Rita whether you know it or not you are using Keychain, otherwise you would be unable to logon to your Mac.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/16/18 12:43 AM
Well, maybe I am on some level, but when I intentionally tried to use it, I didn't like it. And now, for some reason, my autofill has decided not to work most of the time. frown



Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Rita whether you know it or not you are using Keychain, otherwise you would be unable to logon to your Mac.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/16/18 10:57 AM
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I have a couple of hundred passwords and far too many are either duplicated, way too old, or grossly out of date. So with the help of the aforementioned 1Password I am in the process of updating all my passwords to unique, current, and secure.

I've posted this more than once before but never heard either an "Aye" or a "Nay", so I"m now soliciting opinions.

My feeling about passwords is that pretty darn near all of mine are innocuous in the sense that even if I were to give you my password and logon identity for most sites I visit you couldn't do me any worse damage than perhaps embarrass me by, for instance, filling up an eBay shopping cart for which you wouldn't be able to pay. At FTM, for instance, you couldn't begin to write a post that would sound like I'd written it, and, similarly, I'd not be at risk at most other sites I visit were my credentials to be compromised.

Where I'm of course going, is I use the same password at all those sites, although that's mitigated by the fact that my logon identities are an assortment of email addresses and screen names, and all that info is stored in my keychain for easy entry.

Any site at which money or important data is at risk is protected by a unique, extremely strong password which I change periodically and which is stored between my ears, not in my keychain.

What say the assembled masses? Is my logic fallacious, am I being naive and exposing myself, or does my approach make sense as I obviously think it does?

Thanks.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: Removing Cookies - 10/16/18 01:20 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Well, maybe I am on some level, but when I intentionally tried to use it, I didn't like it. And now, for some reason, my autofill has decided not to work most of the time. frown

Autofill uses the keychain to store userid's and passwords and it still works, but in the data field you may see a little icon at the far right side, click on that and you will get a prompt asking what data you want to use. Select the data set and it will be filled in.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: Removing Cookies - 10/16/18 02:06 PM
Originally Posted By: artie505
I've posted this more than once before but never heard either an "Aye" or a "Nay", so I"m now soliciting opinions.

You know my opinion so let me pose a scenario for your consideration. A miscreant gets your password and goes browsing your various accounts to glean information — any information. Somewhere along the line they discover your bank, your credit card number, your social security number, your address, your telephone. A month or so later you receive a mortgage bill for the $500,000 house you just purchased in the Bahamas. You swear you did not buy it but it takes a court action and $10,000 in legal fees to get you out of the mess and the culprit gets a free luxury vacation in "your" house in the Bahamas.

On a smaller scale you get a bill from Acme Credit Card for $15,000 in charges made on a brand new credit card that was opened in your name. Or you go to book a room at your time-share only to find "you" have already used up all your credits for the year for a vacation someone else took.

Any security expert will tell you it is not a single big reveal that gets you it is the sum of dozens of tiny bits of information from a hundred sources that lead to the final big reveal. No matter how careful you are you leave crumbs of information about yourself when you cruise the web and using the same password everywhere simply makes the thief's job that much easier.

Do you lock your doors when you leave home? When you park your car, do you take the keys and put your belongings out of site or do you leave the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition? I'm guessing that you DO lock your doors when you leave home and you DON'T leave the car doors unlocked with the keys in the ignition. Those are pretty standard security precautions. Just like using secure passwords and not reusing passwords on the internet. It is annoying to keep up with but there are a number of excellent tools to make the task tolerable, it only takes a little self discipline to use them.
Posted By: Ira L Re: Removing Cookies - 10/16/18 04:09 PM
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Would you explain what you mean by additional security allowances? I like the fact that I don't have to remember my passwords now. Would that still be the case?

Also, I just noticed that when I disable JavaScript, I cannot get into YouTube which I use a lot.

That question covers a lot of different areas and I don't remember them all but among the security changes are...
  • Requiring a user with admin privileges to go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy and specifically grant an app access to specific parts of the system. This is a one time step every time you install an app that requires access to parts of the system outside of the app's "sandbox".
  • with auto filed fields in Safari the user is required to enter their login password or fingerprint before allowing auto filling a field. That will happen every time that field is auto filled. (My wife just got a long email about that from our password manager 1Password justifying Apple's decision to do this.
  • This is independent of Apple but more and more critical sites are requiring "two-factor authentication."
As congress, and the administration are just now recognizing, the internet is a dangerous environment. Software companies are struggling not to keep up rather to not get any further behind. The same can be said of users and increased security will inevitably mean inconvenience. I have a couple of hundred passwords and far too many are either duplicated, way too old, or grossly out of date. So with the help of the aforementioned 1Password I am in the process of updating all my passwords to unique, current, and secure. I figure I will finish just in time to start the cycle all over again. 🤬

My suggestion is get a good password management system, there are several on the App Store, and use it diligently. Keychain is secure, bit it does not have the management features of 1Password and its kin,


What he said. wink

So far the extra security requirements under Mojave have not required me to use passwords, only to add applications to "Full Disk Access" or "Accessibility" under the Security and Privacy Preference pane.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/16/18 04:16 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Also, I just noticed that when I disable JavaScript, I cannot get into YouTube which I use a lot.

That just registered.

Someone else will have to fill you in on the details, but JavaScript has nothing to do with (the dreaded) Java other than common nomenclature, and there's no particular need for you disable it.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: Removing Cookies - 10/16/18 07:23 PM
Javascript is the automation language underlaying HTML5 and critical to the function of virtually all e-commerce shopping carts, and many sites will not load or work correctly (ie. YouTube) if Javascript is deactivated. I suppose it is could be possible to use Javascript in an exploit, but no one is suggesting disabling it unless you are dealing with information the exposure of which could cause grave harm to the security of the nation (in other words military Top Secret) — or the corporate equivalent.

Java (with no script) is a full blown software development language that has been found to have vulnerabilities subject to exploitation. Today It is mostly confined to on-line gaming, specialized corporate applications, and some multi-platform open source applications such as OpenOffice. Even better, the vulnerabilities no longer exist in today's version of Java and it is as safe to use as any app or language. But like MacOS itself it is critical to keep Java up to date to maintain security.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/16/18 09:07 PM
I will look for that next time. It is just weird that I've had no problems with autofill in the past, but now more times than not, it doesn't work. Thanks for the tip.



Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Well, maybe I am on some level, but when I intentionally tried to use it, I didn't like it. And now, for some reason, my autofill has decided not to work most of the time. frown

Autofill uses the keychain to store userid's and passwords and it still works, but in the data field you may see a little icon at the far right side, click on that and you will get a prompt asking what data you want to use. Select the data set and it will be filled in.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/16/18 09:10 PM
OK. Thanks.


Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Also, I just noticed that when I disable JavaScript, I cannot get into YouTube which I use a lot.

That just registered.

Someone else will have to fill you in on the details, but JavaScript has nothing to do with (the dreaded) Java other than common nomenclature, and there's no particular need for you disable it.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/16/18 09:12 PM
Thanks. I didn't know there was a difference between java script and java.


Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Javascript is the automation language underlaying HTML5 and critical to the function of virtually all e-commerce shopping carts, and many sites will not load or work correctly (ie. YouTube) if Javascript is deactivated. I suppose it is could be possible to use Javascript in an exploit, but no one is suggesting disabling it unless you are dealing with information the exposure of which could cause grave harm to the security of the nation (in other words military Top Secret) — or the corporate equivalent.

Java (with no script) is a full blown software development language that has been found to have vulnerabilities subject to exploitation. Today It is mostly confined to on-line gaming, specialized corporate applications, and some multi-platform open source applications such as OpenOffice. Even better, the vulnerabilities no longer exist in today's version of Java and it is as safe to use as any app or language. But like MacOS itself it is critical to keep Java up to date to maintain security.
Posted By: Urquhart Re: Removing Cookies - 10/17/18 02:01 PM
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Java (with no script) is a full blown software development language that has been found to have vulnerabilities subject to exploitation. Today It is mostly confined to on-line gaming, specialized corporate applications, and some multi-platform open source applications.

Don’t forget the IoT (Internet of Things: thermostat, electronic locks, refrigerator, automated lamps, smart meters, cars, etc), and the servers that you get your content from (music, film, tv shows), and the machines that make the utility companies run: mostly Java. Its security will affect you, even if you keep it off your computer. You can’t keep it off other devices that you interact with, and services that you rely on to be secure. And many smaller IoT devices will never see an update or get patched; remaining insecure for the rest of their ‘life’.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/17/18 02:32 PM
Luckily, I don't have most of those things.


Originally Posted By: Urquhart
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Java (with no script) is a full blown software development language that has been found to have vulnerabilities subject to exploitation. Today It is mostly confined to on-line gaming, specialized corporate applications, and some multi-platform open source applications.

Don’t forget the IoT (Internet of Things: thermostat, electronic locks, refrigerator, automated lamps, smart meters, cars, etc), and the servers that you get your content from (music, film, tv shows), and the machines that make the utility companies run: mostly Java. Its security will affect you, even if you keep it off your computer. You can’t keep it off other devices that you interact with, and services that you rely on to be secure. And many smaller IoT devices will never see an update or get patched; remaining insecure for the rest of their ‘life’.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: Removing Cookies - 10/17/18 05:10 PM
Originally Posted By: Urquhart
Don’t forget the IoT (Internet of Things: thermostat, electronic locks, refrigerator, automated lamps, smart meters, cars, etc), and the servers that you get your content from (music, film, tv shows), and the machines that make the utility companies run: mostly Java. Its security will affect you, even if you keep it off your computer. You can’t keep it off other devices that you interact with, and services that you rely on to be secure. And many smaller IoT devices will never see an update or get patched; remaining insecure for the rest of their ‘life’.

Apparently congress is considering a law that would require even the existing IoT devices that cannot be updated to either be disabled, updated, or replaced. (Like that is actually going to happen with the existing congress mad )
Posted By: deniro Re: Removing Cookies - 10/18/18 04:40 PM
I started using Cookie a couple months ago because it was cheap and because the tech industry has become increasingly intrusive. I bought Radio Silence for the same reason. These are tools are would not have used in the past.

I haven't payed close attention to either one yet. Cookie deletes even the sites I've whitelisted. So I have to tweak it somehow. A manual would help, but of course there isn't one.
Posted By: deniro Re: Removing Cookies - 10/18/18 04:43 PM
I would like to get my sister a new small TV that is not a smart TV while they are still available. Some retail sites give the option in the search prefs to check or uncheck Smart TV capability. After I saw what Samsung is capable of with my own TV, I advise everyone to avoid Smart TVs or Smart anything, and of course I am ignored.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/18/18 08:03 PM
I've thought about using Cookie because of Artie, but if the whitelisted items are also deleted, I am not interested. It causes problems and many more steps to log into my bank account when the bank's cookies are deleted. Darn!


Originally Posted By: deniro
I started using Cookie a couple months ago because it was cheap and because the tech industry has become increasingly intrusive. I bought Radio Silence for the same reason. These are tools are would not have used in the past.

I haven't payed close attention to either one yet. Cookie deletes even the sites I've whitelisted. So I have to tweak it somehow. A manual would help, but of course there isn't one.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/19/18 08:07 AM
Originally Posted By: deniro
Cookie deletes even the sites I've whitelisted. (Emphasis added)

That sounds like where you're going wrong: You can't whitelist an entire website, only individual cookies.

To whitelist an individual cookie, you control-click on it, and then click on "Add to Whitelist"; to save all cookies from, i.e. whitelist, an entire site you check its "Favorite" box. (The three items in my Cookie pane that show only one cookie and have their "Favorite" boxes UNchecked are my whitelisted items.)

Hope this helps.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/19/18 08:17 AM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I've thought about using Cookie because of Artie, but if the whitelisted items are also deleted, I am not interested.

Whitelisted items are NOT deleted, Rita; see my response to deniro.

I've used Cookie (literally) from day one, and although it's gone over a few bumps in the road and hit a few potholes along the way, it works fine, as I"m sure ryck will attest to.

(joemike has at least tested Cookie alongside Cookie Stumbler, but he's never weighed in with an opinion.)
Posted By: deniro Re: Removing Cookies - 10/19/18 04:01 PM
I mis-spoke. Everyone should download Cookie and see if they like it. It's cheap. I need to learn more about it, because I must be doing something wrong. It's more than set it and forget it. Maybe others can try it and we can evaluate it in another thread.

At the beginning, the program asked me to check off bookmarked sites that I use often. I call these the whitelist. These are the sites whose cookies I want to keep because I don't want to re-enter my passwords every time I turn on my computer. So far, I'm having to re-enter some of the ones I thought were being kept.

There are different kinds of cookies. Take Google as an example. There are many Google cookies, but only one of them is for your Gmail password. That's the one you want to keep. There's a tutorial at the Cookie site that explains this. You have to go into the Google cookie list and pick the particular one you want to keep.

It's not obvious. It's not self-evident or self-explanation. A manual would help. I have a program in Windows 7 where I'm trying to do the same thing.
Posted By: ryck Re: Removing Cookies - 10/19/18 04:07 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I've thought about using Cookie because of Artie, but if the whitelisted items are also deleted, I am not interested.

Originally Posted By: artie505
....to save all cookies from, i.e. whitelist, an entire site you check its "Favorite" box.

Originally Posted By: artie505
I've used Cookie (literally) from day one, and although it's gone over a few bumps in the road and hit a few potholes along the way, it works fine, as I"m sure ryck will attest to.

Of course, and I will add that Cookie is one of my most useful applications. I keep the Cookie window open on my desktop where I can see the list of “Favorites” and any new cookies that are added by other sites as I browse.

I can get rid of the new cookies immediately by clicking on “Remove Non-Favorites” at the bottom of the Cookie window, or I can let Cookie get rid of them all in one shot when I close the browser.

Additionally I can monitor the sites that add tracking cookies. Sometimes even a “Favorite” will add a tracking cookie but I may not want that favorite site to track my movements. By clicking on “Remove Tracking Cookies” I get rid of tracking cookies placed by Favorites without deleting any Favorite site from my list.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/19/18 04:31 PM
Originally Posted By: deniro
At the beginning, the program asked me to check off bookmarked sites that I use often. I call these the whitelist. These are the sites whose cookies I want to keep because I don't want re-enter my passwords every time I turn on my computer. So far, I'm having to re-enter some of the ones I thought were being kept.

There are different kinds of cookies. Take Google as an example. There are many Google cookies, but only one of them is for your Gmail password. That's the one you want to keep. There's a tutorial at the Cookie site that explains this.

The sites you call your whitelist are your Favorites. (Your whitelist is accessed by command-O, but it's a bit quirky about appearing.)

The ones that disappear may be session cookies which are automatically cleared by Safari when it's quit, and to which Cookie has no access to either save or delete. (Here's a test: Disable Cookie's timer [if you use it] and visit one of those sites; if its cookies appear in your Cookie pane, checked as favorites, and disappear later there's a problem, but if they don't appear at all, they're session cookies.)

Whitelisting is for cookies like your Gmail password cookie when it's the only Google cookie you want to save.

What I do is take a screenshot of my cookie pane before performing an action whose cookie I want to save and and whitelisting whatever's new afterwards. (Note that you must disable Cookie's timer [if you use it] while you're engaged in the process or it will infuriatingly clear the ones with which you're working while you're trying to work with them.)
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/19/18 05:16 PM
It's seems too complicated to me since I need to keep about 3 or 4 cookies. If I were to get rid of all of them it would be so much easier. I used it last night and it showed my favorites which included my bank. I could not log into my bank at all on this computer. I logged in on my old MacBook pro to make sure it wasn't the bank site. It wasn't. I tossed the Cookie and now I can get into my bank.

Also when it showed me my favorites list it included FinetunedMac. I was able to check the box next to it but for some reason the words FinetunedMac were grayed out. None of the others were. I may or may not try again. I don't feel like dealing with it at the moment.

I must say that it did get rid of those pesky cookies that kept repopulating m y computer. They came back this morning but I could get rid of them without them returning. Weird since I don't have Cookie anymore.


Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I've thought about using Cookie because of Artie, but if the whitelisted items are also deleted, I am not interested.

Whitelisted items are NOT deleted, Rita; see my response to deniro.

I've used Cookie (literally) from day one, and although it's gone over a few bumps in the road and hit a few potholes along the way, it works fine, as I"m sure ryck will attest to.

(joemike has at least tested Cookie alongside Cookie Stumbler, but he's never weighed in with an opinion.)
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/20/18 09:22 AM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
It's seems too complicated to me since I need to keep about 3 or 4 cookies. If I were to get rid of all of them it would be so much easier. I used it last night and it showed my favorites which included my bank. I could not log into my bank at all on this computer. I logged in on my old MacBook pro to make sure it wasn't the bank site. It wasn't. I tossed the Cookie and now I can get into my bank.

Cookie doesn't do anything that could affect your login unless you tell it to.

Originally Posted By: plantsower
Also when it showed me my favorites list it included FinetunedMac. I was able to check the box next to it but for some reason the words FinetunedMac were grayed out.

That computes. Once you check a site as a Favorite it remains as a place holder even if you inadvertently delete its cookies, and your FTM cookies periodically disappear until your next login, so that's probably why it was greyed out.

Originally Posted By: plantsower
I must say that it did get rid of those pesky cookies that kept repopulating m y computer. They came back this morning but I could get rid of them without them returning. Weird since I don't have Cookie anymore.

Something doesn't sound right there.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/20/18 04:06 PM
I know it's weird. But I just checked and I still don't have any ever cookies. I only had two cookies I didn't want in "manage my cookies". The long list of repeat cookies isn't coming back for some reason.

If I told Cookie to not let me log in, it was an accident and I don't know what I did, but I can log in now that Cookie is gone. I can also log into the Cookie forum which I couldn't do after I installed Cookie.

I know it's simple for some people to use but not for me. I don't do well figuring out how things work on my own without a manual.





Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
It's seems too complicated to me since I need to keep about 3 or 4 cookies. If I were to get rid of all of them it would be so much easier. I used it last night and it showed my favorites which included my bank. I could not log into my bank at all on this computer. I logged in on my old MacBook pro to make sure it wasn't the bank site. It wasn't. I tossed the Cookie and now I can get into my bank.

Cookie doesn't do anything that could affect your login unless you tell it to.

Originally Posted By: plantsower
Also when it showed me my favorites list it included FinetunedMac. I was able to check the box next to it but for some reason the words FinetunedMac were grayed out.

That computes. Once you check a site as a Favorite it remains as a place holder even if you inadvertently delete its cookies, and your FTM cookies periodically disappear until your next login, so that's probably why it was greyed out.

Originally Posted By: plantsower
I must say that it did get rid of those pesky cookies that kept repopulating m y computer. They came back this morning but I could get rid of them without them returning. Weird since I don't have Cookie anymore.

Something doesn't sound right there.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/20/18 04:25 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I know it's simple for some people to use but not for me. I don't do well figuring out how things work on my own without a manual.

For sure, Cookie isn't the most intuitive app I"ve ever run across.

It's just that I"ve been with it and its ins and outs and ups and downs for so long that it's kinda second nature to me.

I'd love to have been looking over your shoulder.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/20/18 09:21 PM
I wish you could look too like when Apple gets into my computer and points out where to click. So helpful.

Also, have you heard of Ccleaner? It's supposed to clean cookies also. And the Bleachbit owner says Bleachbit will get rid of ever cookies. Maybe I'll go that route.

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I know it's simple for some people to use but not for me. I don't do well figuring out how things work on my own without a manual.

For sure, Cookie isn't the most intuitive app I"ve ever run across.

It's just that I"ve been with it and its ins and outs and ups and downs for so long that it's kinda second nature to me.

I'd love to have been looking over your shoulder.
Posted By: deniro Re: Removing Cookies - 10/20/18 11:10 PM
I use Bleachbit on Windows and it's good for deleting everything. It applies to more than just cookies and isn't as selective or customizable.

The only time I have gotten any kind of malware (virus or other) was in Windows because I downloaded CCleaner from File Hippo. I had used it a lot and downloaded it many times. It's constantly being updated. Then one day it came piggybacked with a virus. Malwarebytes detected it after a scan. I had to erase my hard drive and start over. I had a partial backup, but on Windows starting over with a clean system still takes a long time. That was the last time I used CCleaner. Download sites are supposed to check the programs they offer for download, but I didn't see so much as an apology at File Hippo.

That's the Windows world.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/21/18 12:26 AM
Thanks for the info. I think I will steer clear of CCleaner. As far as not being as customizable, can I at least pick and choose which websites I want to clear cookies from in Bleachbit? Thanks.




Originally Posted By: deniro
I use Bleachbit on Windows and it's good for deleting everything. It applies to more than just cookies and isn't as selective or customizable.

The only time I have gotten any kind of malware (virus or other) was in Windows because I downloaded CCleaner from File Hippo. I had used it a lot and downloaded it many times. It's constantly being updated. Then one day it came piggybacked with a virus. Malwarebytes detected it after a scan. I had to erase my hard drive and start over. I had a partial backup, but on Windows starting over with a clean system still takes a long time. That was the last time I used CCleaner. Download sites are supposed to check the programs they offer for download, but I didn't see so much as an apology at File Hippo.

That's the Windows world.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/21/18 09:21 AM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
...can I at least pick and choose which websites I want to clear cookies from in Bleachbit?

You can do that in Safari...no 3rd party assistance necessary.

In Safari > Prefs > Privacy > Manage Website Data... you can retain and delete cookies as you like, but not automatically as an app would allow you to do (but bear in mind that some come back automatically...nothing you can do about them except quit Safari).

joemike has been high on Cookie Stumbler, but its dev's website is gone, and even though you can still d/l it you can't so much as initiate a trial period.

(From a very cursory look, I'd say that neither CCleaner nor Bleachbit enables you to selectively clear cookies.)
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/21/18 04:18 PM
Hi Artie:

I already do that. But it didn't do any good because the other cookies joined in after I deleted them. I want something that will get rid of the repopulating cookies for good until I go to their site or a site that uses a third party cookie where I have no choice. That's what's usually happening, cookies from unknown entities.

Also, Safari has been very slow, and in reading up on all the things I can do to speed it up, CleanMyMac X was recommended with a lot of good reviews. Do you know whether that app is safe or not?


Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
...can I at least pick and choose which websites I want to clear cookies from in Bleachbit?

You can do that in Safari...no 3rd party assistance necessary.

In Safari > Prefs > Privacy > Manage Website Data... you can retain and delete cookies as you like, but not automatically as an app would allow you to do (but bear in mind that some come back automatically...nothing you can do about them except quit Safari).

joemike has been high on Cookie Stumbler, but its dev's website is gone, and even though you can still d/l it you can't so much as initiate a trial period.

(From a very cursory look, I'd say that neither CCleaner nor Bleachbit enables you to selectively clear cookies.)
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/21/18 04:25 PM
I tried and never did see an icon that lets me select data when autofill refuses to fill in a form.



Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: plantsower
Well, maybe I am on some level, but when I intentionally tried to use it, I didn't like it. And now, for some reason, my autofill has decided not to work most of the time. frown

Autofill uses the keychain to store userid's and passwords and it still works, but in the data field you may see a little icon at the far right side, click on that and you will get a prompt asking what data you want to use. Select the data set and it will be filled in.
Posted By: deniro Re: Removing Cookies - 10/21/18 09:07 PM
I thought Bleachbit was Windows only.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/21/18 09:11 PM
Originally Posted By: deniro
I thought Bleachbit was Windows only.

Mac OS X | BleachBit
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/22/18 12:57 AM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I already do that. But it didn't do any good because the other cookies joined in after I deleted them. I want something that will get rid of the repopulating cookies for good until I go to their site or a site that uses a third party cookie where I have no choice. That's what's usually happening, cookies from unknown entities.

Hi, Rita,

You're going to have to be specific about what's happening or link us to a website where it's happening. If your repopulating cookies are evercookies, Cookie should be able to get rid of them (I'm not aware of any alternatives.), and if they're something else, I can't be sure what they are without experiencing them. (I haven't gotten the impression that evercookies are prevalent.)

Nor do I follow "the other cookies joined in after I deleted them". What's it mean?

Originally Posted By: plantsower
Also, Safari has been very slow, and in reading up on all the things I can do to speed it up, CleanMyMac X was recommended with a lot of good reviews. Do you know whether that app is safe or not?

I just looked at CleanMyMac X 4.0.4, and it's awfully pricey for what appears to be functionality that's can be had at -0- cost elsewhere.

And aside from that, a brief look didn't give me any reason to believe that it would speed Safari up. (For what it's worth, I'm finding Safari 12 to be slow...don't remember about 11.)
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/22/18 04:14 AM
Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I already do that. But it didn't do any good because the other cookies joined in after I deleted them. I want something that will get rid of the repopulating cookies for good until I go to their site or a site that uses a third party cookie where I have no choice. That's what's usually happening, cookies from unknown entities.

Hi, Rita,

You're going to have to be specific about what's happening or link us to a website where it's happening. If your repopulating cookies are evercookies, Cookie should be able to get rid of them (I'm not aware of any alternatives.), and if they're something else, I can't be sure what they are without experiencing them. (I haven't gotten the impression that evercookies are prevalent.)

Nor do I follow "the other cookies joined in after I deleted them". What's it mean?

I mean after I get rid of cookies of all but the 3 cookies I want to keep, all the cookies that I just got rid of come back, even if I don't have a tab or window open for that cookie. They just keep coming back over and over and over again. That's why I think they are ever cookies. They are also for sites I've never been to.

Originally Posted By: plantsower
Also, Safari has been very slow, and in reading up on all the things I can do to speed it up, CleanMyMac X was recommended with a lot of good reviews. Do you know whether that app is safe or not?

I just looked at CleanMyMac X 4.0.4, and it's awfully pricey for what appears to be functionality that's can be had at -0- cost elsewhere.

I just used the free version but even though it said it freed up my ram, I didn't notice a difference on my old mac. Under storage it says that both of my 2 gig storages of RAM are in use. So even though I hardly use any of my other memory, my RAM is almost filled up for some reason. I wonder if that's why it's so slow and has the beachball.

And aside from that, a brief look didn't give me any reason to believe that it would speed Safari up. (For what it's worth, I'm finding Safari 12 to be slow...don't remember about 11.)


I will probably dump it even though it's free. I didn't notice a difference.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/22/18 11:05 AM
Those cookies from sites to which you've never been are probably tracking cookies, and many different sites place the same ones, so even if you close one window that utilizes them they may respawn because they're still being used by a window that's still open. (What are your cookie settings in Safari > Prefs > Privacy?)

You're gonna hate this, Rita, but I think it's time for you to upgrade to Safari 12, because it's got new security/privacy features that l suspect address your issue...at least in part (because you may, in fact, have some evercookies). If you're wary of it, experiment on your old MBP or on a clone, and see what happens.

As for CleanMyMac X, you got sucked in; there is no free version, only a free d/l, which is a sneaky way of getting you to try it and see "how many times over it's worth the $40/year or $90/one time buy price", so when the "buy it or lose it" screen pops up you'll bite. (Check out MacPaw's website, and see if you see so much as a hint of a free VERSION.)
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/22/18 04:01 PM
Originally Posted By: artie505
Those cookies from sites to which you've never been are probably tracking cookies, and many different sites place the same ones, so even if you close one window that utilizes them they may respawn because they're still being used by a window that's still open. (What are your cookie settings in Safari > Prefs > Privacy?)

I keep changing my cookie prefs but Safari seems to work best if I accept all cookies from sites I visit.

You're gonna hate this, Rita, but I think it's time for you to upgrade to Safari 12, because it's got new security/privacy features that l suspect address your issue...at least in part (because you may, in fact, have some evercookies). If you're wary of it, experiment on your old MBP or on a clone, and see what happens.

That's a good idea about my old MBP. It's still buggy and lots of beachballs but it probably can't hurt. It says I'm using nearly all my RAM but I don't know how to remedy that. I did take down lots of log in items but it still says I'm using almost all my RAM. I have 4 gigs in the old MBP and 8 gigs in the new one of which I am using over 6 gigs of ram at the moment!

As for CleanMyMac X, you got sucked in; there is no free version, only a free d/l, which is a sneaky way of getting you to try it and see "how many times over it's worth the $40/year or $90/one time buy price", so when the "buy it or lose it" screen pops up you'll bite. (Check out MacPaw's website, and see if you see so much as a hint of a free VERSION.)
.

Yeah, I did get a free d/l and it supposedly cleaned up some stuff, but in order to get rid of all of it I have to buy it, and you're right, it's very pricey. Is there another cleanup app that is free that does a good job? I use OnyX but it never really helped my old MBP. I want to be able to clean out all the trash that I can't tell is trash so that it will run smoothly and not use so much RAM.


Do you like 12?
What will I lose from 11 that might tick me off?
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/22/18 06:26 PM
Diagnostic Results from Activity Monitor

These look like temporary files. I would like to delete them if it's safe.

That's a good idea about my old MBP. It's still buggy and lots of beachballs but it probably can't hurt. It says I'm using nearly all my RAM but I don't know how to remedy that. I did take down lots of log in items but it still says I'm using almost all my RAM. I have 4 gigs in the old MBP and 8 gigs in the new one of which I am using over 6 gigs of ram at the moment!
Posted By: joemikeb Re: Removing Cookies - 10/22/18 09:44 PM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I just used the free version but even though it said it freed up my ram, I didn't notice a difference on my old mac. Under storage it says that both of my 2 gig storages of RAM are in use. So even though I hardly use any of my other memory, my RAM is almost filled up for some reason. I wonder if that's why it's so slow and has the beachball.

Just saying your RAM is almost filled up means very little in MacOS any more because of the way memory is used. In older versions of OS X when the system got short of RAM it would immediately dump data to swap files on the hard drive which materially impacted performance. In MacOS much of what used to go into swap files on the HD is now compressed and remains in RAM which takes almost no time to decompress and use when needed so it MacOS tries to keep the RAM filled as much as possible to make the system run faster and more efficiently.

Open Activity Monitor (it is in the /Applications/Utilities folder) and click on the Memory tab at the top of the window. Then look at the bottom of the window where you will see a box labelled Memory Pressure and in that box is an interactive graph of "Memory Pressure" if the bar is Green then no matter how much of your RAM is being used the system is operating at peak efficiency, but if it is Red and/or nearly fills the box then you are short of memory and the only relief for your slow speed is more RAM or fewer open applications. Another indication on that same screen is how much Swap is used. If that is a large number that is not good.

If you want to see what Task is using your memory, click on the Memory column and that will sort the running tasks by the amount of memory they are using. Safari 12, like almost any browser, is a big memory user but for example at this moment on my system it is using less than ½ GB of RAM with one window open, so it is pretty efficient in memory usage.

There are two apps that can tell you a LOT about your system and identify potential problems. Etrecheck that will scan for lots of problems that can effect system performance. It is a free download and will provide lots of usable information (it keeps getting more informative) but some of the really detailed analysis and automatic scanning requires a paid subscription. The latest version offers explanations that do not require a PhD in computer Science to interpret but if you have trouble with interpretation, someone here can surely help you. MalwareBytes also has a free download and 30 day trial to rid your system of malware that may also negatively impact your systems performance.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/23/18 12:26 AM
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I just used the free version but even though it said it freed up my ram, I didn't notice a difference on my old mac. Under storage it says that both of my 2 gig storages of RAM are in use. So even though I hardly use any of my other memory, my RAM is almost filled up for some reason. I wonder if that's why it's so slow and has the beachball.

Just saying your RAM is almost filled up means very little in MacOS any more because of the way memory is used. In older versions of OS X when the system got short of RAM it would immediately dump data to swap files on the hard drive which materially impacted performance. In MacOS much of what used to go into swap files on the HD is now compressed and remains in RAM which takes almost no time to decompress and use when needed so it MacOS tries to keep the RAM filled as much as possible to make the system run faster and more efficiently.

[color:#CC33CC]Good to know.[/color]

Open Activity Monitor (it is in the /Applications/Utilities folder) and click on the Memory tab at the top of the window. Then look at the bottom of the window where you will see a box labelled Memory Pressure and in that box is an interactive graph of "Memory Pressure" if the bar is Green then no matter how much of your RAM is being used the system is operating at peak efficiency, but if it is Red and/or nearly fills the box then you are short of memory and the only relief for your slow speed is more RAM or fewer open applications. Another indication on that same screen is how much Swap is used. If that is a large number that is not good.

My memory pressure is green so hurray!

If you want to see what Task is using your memory, click on the Memory column and that will sort the running tasks by the amount of memory they are using. Safari 12, like almost any browser, is a big memory user but for example at this moment on my system it is using less than ½ GB of RAM with one window open, so it is pretty efficient in memory usage.

Alright.

There are two apps that can tell you a LOT about your system and identify potential problems. Etrecheck that will scan for lots of problems that can effect system performance. It is a free download and will provide lots of usable information (it keeps getting more informative) but some of the really detailed analysis and automatic scanning requires a paid subscription. The latest version offers explanations that do not require a PhD in computer Science to interpret but if you have trouble with interpretation, someone here can surely help you. MalwareBytes also has a free download and 30 day trial to rid your system of malware that may also negatively impact your systems performance.


I already use Malwarebytes and it has saved my bacon twice. I ran Etrecheck yesterday but didn't know how to get the results to FTM in one piece.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/23/18 12:32 AM
I deleted Macpaw and CleanMyMac yesterday with EasyFind but Macpaw is still using 152mb of RAM somehow.


Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I just used the free version but even though it said it freed up my ram, I didn't notice a difference on my old mac. Under storage it says that both of my 2 gig storages of RAM are in use. So even though I hardly use any of my other memory, my RAM is almost filled up for some reason. I wonder if that's why it's so slow and has the beachball.

Just saying your RAM is almost filled up means very little in MacOS any more because of the way memory is used. In older versions of OS X when the system got short of RAM it would immediately dump data to swap files on the hard drive which materially impacted performance. In MacOS much of what used to go into swap files on the HD is now compressed and remains in RAM which takes almost no time to decompress and use when needed so it MacOS tries to keep the RAM filled as much as possible to make the system run faster and more efficiently.

Open Activity Monitor (it is in the /Applications/Utilities folder) and click on the Memory tab at the top of the window. Then look at the bottom of the window where you will see a box labelled Memory Pressure and in that box is an interactive graph of "Memory Pressure" if the bar is Green then no matter how much of your RAM is being used the system is operating at peak efficiency, but if it is Red and/or nearly fills the box then you are short of memory and the only relief for your slow speed is more RAM or fewer open applications. Another indication on that same screen is how much Swap is used. If that is a large number that is not good.

If you want to see what Task is using your memory, click on the Memory column and that will sort the running tasks by the amount of memory they are using. Safari 12, like almost any browser, is a big memory user but for example at this moment on my system it is using less than ½ GB of RAM with one window open, so it is pretty efficient in memory usage.

There are two apps that can tell you a LOT about your system and identify potential problems. Etrecheck that will scan for lots of problems that can effect system performance. It is a free download and will provide lots of usable information (it keeps getting more informative) but some of the really detailed analysis and automatic scanning requires a paid subscription. The latest version offers explanations that do not require a PhD in computer Science to interpret but if you have trouble with interpretation, someone here can surely help you. MalwareBytes also has a free download and 30 day trial to rid your system of malware that may also negatively impact your systems performance.
Posted By: plantsower Re: Removing Cookies - 10/23/18 12:35 AM
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I deleted Macpaw and CleanMyMac yesterday with EasyFind but Macpaw is still using 152mb of RAM somehow.

Update: Nevermind. I had 3 windows up from yesterday from MacPaw. Duh!


Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: plantsower
I just used the free version but even though it said it freed up my ram, I didn't notice a difference on my old mac. Under storage it says that both of my 2 gig storages of RAM are in use. So even though I hardly use any of my other memory, my RAM is almost filled up for some reason. I wonder if that's why it's so slow and has the beachball.

Just saying your RAM is almost filled up means very little in MacOS any more because of the way memory is used. In older versions of OS X when the system got short of RAM it would immediately dump data to swap files on the hard drive which materially impacted performance. In MacOS much of what used to go into swap files on the HD is now compressed and remains in RAM which takes almost no time to decompress and use when needed so it MacOS tries to keep the RAM filled as much as possible to make the system run faster and more efficiently.

Open Activity Monitor (it is in the /Applications/Utilities folder) and click on the Memory tab at the top of the window. Then look at the bottom of the window where you will see a box labelled Memory Pressure and in that box is an interactive graph of "Memory Pressure" if the bar is Green then no matter how much of your RAM is being used the system is operating at peak efficiency, but if it is Red and/or nearly fills the box then you are short of memory and the only relief for your slow speed is more RAM or fewer open applications. Another indication on that same screen is how much Swap is used. If that is a large number that is not good.

If you want to see what Task is using your memory, click on the Memory column and that will sort the running tasks by the amount of memory they are using. Safari 12, like almost any browser, is a big memory user but for example at this moment on my system it is using less than ½ GB of RAM with one window open, so it is pretty efficient in memory usage.

There are two apps that can tell you a LOT about your system and identify potential problems. Etrecheck that will scan for lots of problems that can effect system performance. It is a free download and will provide lots of usable information (it keeps getting more informative) but some of the really detailed analysis and automatic scanning requires a paid subscription. The latest version offers explanations that do not require a PhD in computer Science to interpret but if you have trouble with interpretation, someone here can surely help you. MalwareBytes also has a free download and 30 day trial to rid your system of malware that may also negatively impact your systems performance.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 10/23/18 10:37 AM
Great post by joemike!

I'll kinda contradict him on one point, though, which is that although Safari 12 uses a bunch of RAM, I"m finding it that it uses significantly less than Safari 11 used...not that it's particularly faster. frown (My green Memory Pressure line is thinner in Mojave than it was in High Sierra, at least in part because of Safari 12.)

Originally Posted By: plantsower
I did take down lots of log in items but it still says I'm using almost all my RAM. I have 4 gigs in the old MBP and 8 gigs in the new one of which I am using over 6 gigs of ram at the moment!

You're confusing RAM with your HDD/SSD, Rita. Logs, caches, temporary files, all that sort of stuff is on your drive and doesn't use RAM; if you want to see what's using your RAM, open Activity Monitor and click on the Memory column.

Originally Posted By: plantsower
Diagnostic Results from Activity Monitor

These look like temporary files. I would like to delete them if it's safe.

Deleting them will have absolutely NO effect on RAM usage. (And barring some sort of glitch, macOS purges temporary files on its own.)

There are, literally, thousands of files on your Mac with names that sound useless and eminently deletable, but they've all got some sort of purpose, and even if your HDD/SSD is filling up, deleting them is NOT the way to go about freeing up space.

If you need to clear RAM, quit apps that aren't being used and close windows in Safari; if you need to clear drive space, post back for suggestions.

Originally Posted By: plantsower
Is there another cleanup app that is free that does a good job? I use OnyX but it never really helped my old MBP. I want to be able to clean out all the trash that I can't tell is trash so that it will run smoothly and not use so much RAM.

Same as before, that "trash" does NOT use RAM, nor does it particularly slow your Mac down unless it somehow gets out of hand.

I haven't used a cleanup app in years, and I'm none the worse for it; I don't even know if they're particularly relevant any more. Among other things, they clear caches which, technically, shouldn't be cleared unless you think one is corrupted, and logs, which, again, barring some sort of glitch, are rotated out by macOS. I'm not sure what more they do, but as I said, no need to know has ever arisen.

Originally Posted By: plantsower
Do you like 12? What will I lose from 11 that might tick me off?

I've got no problems with it other than its loading annoyingly slowly, about the same as 11 loaded, but I don't know what might tick you off.

Originally Posted By: plantsower
I keep changing my cookie prefs but Safari seems to work best if I accept all cookies from sites I visit.

In Safari 12, you want to keep "Prevent cross-site tracking" checked; I suspect it will eliminate some, if not many, of your undesirable cookies. ("Prevent cross-site tracking", incidentally, is one if the biggest improvements in Safari 12.)

You weren't clear about which pref you've got set in Safari 11, but it may be the reason you've got so many "unknown" cookies.
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 11/06/18 09:02 AM
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
You know my opinion so let me pose a scenario for your consideration. A miscreant gets your password and goes browsing your various accounts to glean information — any information. Somewhere along the line they discover your bank, your credit card number, your social security number, your address, your telephone. A month or so later you receive a mortgage bill for the $500,000 house you just purchased in the Bahamas. You swear you did not buy it but it takes a court action and $10,000 in legal fees to get you out of the mess and the culprit gets a free luxury vacation in "your" house in the Bahamas.

On a smaller scale you get a bill from Acme Credit Card for $15,000 in charges made on a brand new credit card that was opened in your name. Or you go to book a room at your time-share only to find "you" have already used up all your credits for the year for a vacation someone else took.

Any security expert will tell you it is not a single big reveal that gets you it is the sum of dozens of tiny bits of information from a hundred sources that lead to the final big reveal. No matter how careful you are you leave crumbs of information about yourself when you cruise the web and using the same password everywhere simply makes the thief's job that much easier.

Do you lock your doors when you leave home? When you park your car, do you take the keys and put your belongings out of site or do you leave the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition? I'm guessing that you DO lock your doors when you leave home and you DON'T leave the car doors unlocked with the keys in the ignition. Those are pretty standard security precautions. Just like using secure passwords and not reusing passwords on the internet. It is annoying to keep up with but there are a number of excellent tools to make the task tolerable, it only takes a little self discipline to use them.

Profuse apologies for taking so long to respond; giving your post my thoughtful attention and consideration kinda got out of hand.

You'll be closer to my real financial exposure if you take 3 zeros from your numbers, but that only minimizes my risk; it doesn't negate it.

But a miscreant browsing my accounts, on the other hand, won't put me at risk, because NONE of the accounts for which I use my master password has ANY personal info other than my name, address, and phone number...PERIOD! Any account that's got any info that would leave me at risk if revealed is well protected. Also, I use close to 20 different email addresses and names as my login IDs, so a miscreant would need more than just my password. (Aside: I recently noticed that PayPal displays only the last two digits of my SSN as opposed to the traditional four.)

Leaving my front door open or my car unlocked with the key in the ignition would, indeed, put me at risk, and I"d never do either, but neither is analogous to what I'm doing, which is closer to leaving my shades up or my garage door open; yeah, you can see in, but that's where it ends.

Your caveats are certainly on the mark if you leave bits and pieces of yourself all over the internet, but I don't.

On the other hand, I can't begin to guess what info would be discovered were I to be targeted, but that's so ridiculously unlikely that I can't be bothered to worry about it.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: Removing Cookies - 11/06/18 03:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Artie505
On the other hand, I can't begin to guess what info would be discovered were I to be targeted, but that's so ridiculously unlikely that I can't be bothered to worry about it.

Good luck!
Posted By: artie505 Re: Removing Cookies - 11/06/18 10:58 PM
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: Artie505
On the other hand, I can't begin to guess what info would be discovered were I to be targeted, but that's so ridiculously unlikely that I can't be bothered to worry about it.

Good luck!

That was a bit obscure...

By "targeted" I meant some miscreant picking me out and doing a deep search and coming up with "bits and pieces" from before we had protective instincts and tools...from even before we were aware of how necessary they are.

I suppose I could study up and learn how to find those "bits and pieces" myself, but I very much doubt that there's anything I could do about them...other than worry fruitlessly.

And in that respect, many FTMers, perhaps even you, could use the same good luck.

As I said, I don't see someone's picking me out as a target being the least bit likely, but others may have cause to worry.
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