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Posted By: jchuzi the bottomless barrel - 03/31/22 06:33 PM
Just when I thought that the bottom of the barrel has been reached, Trump dug through it. Stephen Colbert Condemns Trump’s Digging for Dirt During a War
Posted By: jchuzi Re: the bottomless barrel - 03/31/22 07:16 PM
And another bottomless barrel: House Republicans Tire of Madison Cawthorn’s Antics. Some in His District Have, Too.
Posted By: jchuzi Re: the bottomless barrel - 04/19/22 05:16 PM
It's hard to imagine a new depth (height?) to idiocy, but here it is: Why Tucker Carlson wants men to aim lasers at their private parts

Posted By: freelance Re: the bottomless barrel - 04/19/22 06:26 PM
Sounds like a good idea: so men who are stupid enough to do it won't reproduce?
Posted By: Douglas Re: the bottomless barrel - 04/23/22 01:35 AM
I think Kevin McCarthy just sailed right past the bottom of the barrel straight into the sewer.
Posted By: ryck Re: the bottomless barrel - 04/23/22 01:20 PM
Kevin McCarthy couldn't help himself. For Republicans, lying is reflexive.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: the bottomless barrel - 04/23/22 03:47 PM
Originally Posted by ryck
Kevin McCarthy couldn't help himself. For Republicans, lying is reflexive.

What is even scarier is they don't think they are lying.
Posted By: artie505 Re: the bottomless barrel - 04/23/22 08:52 PM
In a lighter vein, speaking of the bottom of the barrel, has everyone seen Rudy's Masked Singer "performance?"

There's no more explicit an admission that you've hit rock bottom - that you're a pathetic has-been - than appearing on reality TV (and, especially, having one of the judges walk off the set when he sees it's you)!
Posted By: MG2009 Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/23/22 09:05 PM
Just a note:

The links to the NYT stories require PAID memberships to view the articles.
Posted By: artie505 Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/23/22 09:13 PM
You can sign up for a free membership, but it doesn't get you many free looks.
Posted By: jchuzi Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/26/22 07:11 PM
I am constantly amazed and astounded at how low some people can get. For those who cannot access Debunking 3 Viral Rumors About the Texas Shooting, the gist is that:

1. The shootings were staged.
2. The shooter was transgender.
3. The shooter was an illegal immigrant.

Needless to say, none of these are true. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised anymore about human idiocy/cupidity/evilness. mad
Posted By: jchuzi Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/27/22 11:43 AM
The NRA convention, planned months in advance, will take place today in Houston. Trump and Cruz are scheduled to attend. It's difficult to see how the timing could have been worse, but this will be interesting... tongue
Posted By: artie505 Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/27/22 12:06 PM
Maddox too, and guns have been banned during Trump's appearance.

Talk about irony!
Posted By: ryck Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/27/22 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by jchuzi
The NRA convention, planned months in advance, will take place today in Houston. Trump and Cruz are scheduled to attend.
Along with Governor Greg Abbott. I watched an item with a mother whose son was killed at the Sante Fe school shooting in 2018 and she recounted that Trump, Abbott and Cruz were all at a meeting with parents following that slaughter. She said they all promised "This can never happen again" and they said there will be changes to gun laws. Now we've seen the unspeakable horror of Uvalde.

Trump, Abbott and Cruz are prime examples of a core issue - they, and other politicians, have no morals. A moral politician would say: "I don't care how my party wants me to vote, Lives are all that matters and I will vote for any legislation that brings an end to the horrific events."

The decision by Trump, Abbott and Cruz to appear at the NRA convention puts We don't have morals in bold lettering.
Posted By: artie505 Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/27/22 05:15 PM
Originally Posted by artie505
Maddox too, and guns have been banned during Trump's appearance.
Oops! Meant Abbot, not Maddox.
Posted By: ryck Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/28/22 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by ryck
The decision by Trump, Abbott and Cruz to appear at the NRA convention puts We don't have morals in bold lettering.
And, as through President Bonespur thought that putting his and other politicians' immorality in bold lettering, he decided to underline it as well - "We don't have morals". At the NRA convention Bonespur has spouted the diversionary tactic used by other Republican politicians, and certainly the position of the NRA: It is not a gun issue, it's a mental health issue.

There's no doubt that these shooters are not mentally stable. However, I am quite sure that, on a per capita basis, other countries have a similar percentage of mentally unstable people as the U.S., except other countries don't have the ability for those unstable people to access guns easily. As long as slack-jawed Troglodytes like Bonespur, Abbott and Cruz remain in positions of power, children will continue to be murdered.
Posted By: artie505 Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/28/22 08:41 PM
It needs to be highlighted that Abbot not only enabled the shooter, who bought his weapons just days after he turned 18, by pushing through the legislation that enabled him to buy them at 18, but just months ago he cut $211 million from Texas's mental health budget.

Between this, abortion, and ERCOT last year, Abbot's got far more blood on his hands than the shooter!
Posted By: joemikeb Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/28/22 11:05 PM
I just spent the better part of an hour carefully writing, rewriting, and editing a diatribe on Gregg Abbot and his actions or rather inactions only to decide this is not an effective place to vent my political spleen. So I edited it one more time and ended up keeping only my concluding sentences.

Originally Posted by joemikeb
Personally, I wish Gregg Abbot would finally follow through on his threat to secede from the Union -- not Texas, just Gregg Abbot.
Posted By: Ira L Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/30/22 04:06 PM
Originally Posted by ryck
There's no doubt that these shooters are not mentally stable. However, I am quite sure that, on a per capita basis, other countries have a similar percentage of mentally unstable people as the U.S., except other countries don't have the ability for those unstable people to access guns easily.

Or maybe we are all missing the point: clearly countries like Great Britain, Australia and Japan just do not have mentally unstable people, which is why they do not have mass shootings. crazy

If you all have access to HBO you might want to view the two-part George Carlin documentary. Naturally they show in part two of Carlin's performances, one from the 1980's and one from 1992. His social and political perspectives are incredible sharp and the really scary part is that if you did not know the dates of those performances, you could easily think he was talking about today. Alas, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Posted By: freelance Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/30/22 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by Ira L
... clearly countries like Great Britain, Australia and Japan just do not have mentally unstable people, which is why they do not have mass shootings. crazy

I object! We clearly have nutters in GB. We've got one in Number 10. On the mass gun killing score, only Dunblane (1996) and Hungerford (1987) in my recollection. Knives and bombs are more our speed, but only half of those are "home grown".

I would not like to imagine a world where a teacher wears a gun on his or her hip.
Posted By: jchuzi Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/30/22 11:34 PM
I believe that Ira was being sarcastic (look at the emoji).
Posted By: Ira L Re: the bottomless barrel - 05/31/22 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by jchuzi
I believe that Ira was being sarcastic (look at the emoji).

Yes, I was, and I suspect Freelance was too. smirk
Posted By: ryck Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/03/22 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by jchuzi
I am constantly amazed and astounded at how low some people can get. For those who cannot access Debunking 3 Viral Rumors About the Texas Shooting, the gist is that:

1. The shootings were staged.
2. The shooter was transgender.
3. The shooter was an illegal immigrant.

Needless to say, none of these are true. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised anymore about human idiocy/cupidity/evilness. mad
Then in the midst of the madness, we see a meaningful gesture.
Posted By: Ira L Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/03/22 05:07 PM
There have been some editorials in the local newspapers suggesting that photos of the dead (with parental permission if a minor) in any shooting should be printed or shown on news broadcasts. This would make the reality of the event more real to everyone and generate outrage and (hopefully) changes in gun regulations. The argument makes mention of the photos from the Viet Nam war (in particular the one of the Vietnamese child running naked away from a napalm bombing) and other similar ones. Any thoughts?
Posted By: artie505 Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/03/22 06:36 PM
I've been thinking about that since I read that some of the Uvalde parents have said they're considering open casket funerals, and I wonder if, particularly in the case of the Uvalde victims, who were identifiable only by DNA, it might tend to unnecessarily help promote the (not to minimize it) "mental health problem" argument, by pushing individual depravity to the forefront, at the expense of the underlying problem...that guns enable the depravity.
Posted By: ryck Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/03/22 10:17 PM
President Biden should take a different approach. I watched him on TV with the "same old - same old" about "When will we learn?", "We need laws for this", "We need laws for that", which seemed pointed at the Republican politicians. Instead, he needs to have an all-networks broadcast that is directed at the everyday American, showing pictures of the carnage, and ask them: "Is this the America you want?" He then needs to tell the people that, no matter how you vote, every single one of you must contact your representative, at every political level, and tell those politicians that they must do something about it if they want to get your vote again. Polls show that the vast majority of Americans want a change. Maybe it's time for the President to get them riled up.
Posted By: Ira L Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/04/22 05:21 PM
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I've been thinking about that since I read that some of the Uvalde parents have said they're considering open casket funerals, and I wonder if, particularly in the case of the Uvalde victims, who were identifiable only by DNA, it might tend to unnecessarily help promote the (not to minimize it) "mental health problem" argument, by pushing individual depravity to the forefront, at the expense of the underlying problem...that guns enable the depravity.

Of course what you say artie, is a possibility. But I think most people who would see a photo of a gun shot victim would think of the death by gun first, then maybe that the shooter was nuts.

Good points, ryck, and they were shared by the former basketball coach of Duke University, Mike Krzyzewski, who said to politicians "You shouldn't vote for the party, you should vote for the people that you serve. … And you should have the guts, the courage, and it's your duty. … What the hell are you doing? Like, you need an automatic weapon? You gotta be kidding me. You gotta be kidding me. It's disgusting."
Posted By: artie505 Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/04/22 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by Ira L
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I've been thinking about that since I read that some of the Uvalde parents have said they're considering open casket funerals, and I wonder if, particularly in the case of the Uvalde victims, who were identifiable only by DNA, it might tend to unnecessarily help promote the (not to minimize it) "mental health problem" argument, by pushing individual depravity to the forefront, at the expense of the underlying problem...that guns enable the depravity.

Of course what you say artie, is a possibility. But I think most people who would see a photo of a gun shot victim would think of the death by gun first, then maybe that the shooter was nuts.
We're probably both correct, Ira...along "party lines."

Most Americans, those whose voices are unheard unheeded, already want some action and would see it your way, and the rest, the minority which drives policy, are either rabidly uneducable or smugly unwilling to deal with reality and would see it my way. frown
Posted By: ryck Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/05/22 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by artie505
....the minority which drives policy, are either rabidly uneducable or smugly unwilling to deal with reality...
Or both, or worse.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/05/22 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by ryck
Originally Posted by artie505
....the minority which drives policy, are either rabidly uneducable or smugly unwilling to deal with reality...
Or both, or worse.

The problem is more complex and intractable than that. It is CULTURAL and anyone with experience as a change agent knows the hardest thing to change is culture. Culture is not rational or thought out, it just IS -- and at the gut level. Culture is the "we", "our kind", "everyone knows". It isn't chosen, it is inculcated in us by the society we live in and when someone or something attempts to change any aspect of that culture we naturally feel threatened. We are living in one of those historical nexuses where we are dealing with changes every day brought on by factors beyond our control such as the increasingly rapid development of technology, climate change, rebalancing of power among nations, and societal changes such as gay marriage, LGBTQ status, etc. Some of us feel competent and confident enough to take on and even embrace change but apparently, a nearly equal number feel change of any kind is a personal threat to all their way of life, if not their very existence.

The issue of guns and gun control is inextricably intertwined with the antipathy toward change of any sort. (Maybe with an M16 and a few thousand rounds of ammunition, you can secure your own reality and keep change at bay.) It isn't rational and therefore irrational, to believe their minds will be changed by rational argument. When I worked as a "change agent" training engineers on a new and different way of working, I found change was only possible when I could convince the resistors they would personally and individually benefit from the change. But that is as far as my thinking goes. How do you convince a gun owner that they will personally benefit by giving up what they believe to be their only means of keeping the big bad world at bay? Util then we will only take their guns from their cold dead fingers and that is NOT a solution.
Posted By: artie505 Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/06/22 09:20 AM
I think you've given us a sociologist's polite definition of "rabidly uneducable."
Posted By: Ira L Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/06/22 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by joemikeb
How do you convince a gun owner that they will personally benefit by giving up what they believe to be their only means of keeping the big bad world at bay? Util then we will only take their guns from their cold dead fingers and that is NOT a solution.

So maybe the question is how do you convince the politicians that a change is necessary? They are the source of legislation for change. Yes, some of these politicians represent gun owners, but if the polls are to be believed, a majority of voters want changes in gun laws and that transforms into a majority of politicians whom they represent.

So now do you say that the NRA is louder than a majority of voters? Maybe we need public funding of elections so that money from lobbyists is irrelevant. I read somewhere that once a senator is elected, s/he needs to raise $15,000 every day in office to have "adequate" re-election financing.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/06/22 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by Ira L
So now do you say that the NRA is louder than a majority of voters? Maybe we need public funding of elections so that money from lobbyists is irrelevant. I read somewhere that once a senator is elected, s/he needs to raise $15,000 every day in office to have "adequate" re-election financing.

Some 50 years ago, Senator John Tower (R Tex) told me he had to raise $50,000 before lunch every work day to adequately finance his re-election campaign. I hate to think what it must take today.

I was raised on a ranch in Texas and got a 20 gauge Remington pump for my 12th birthday. My father insisted that before I could go hunting with him or even shoot my new gun, I had to join the NRA where I was inculcated with the Ten Commandments of Gun Safety. I don't think my attitude or concern about gun safety has changed over the intervening 70+ years, but the NRA at some point drifted off the good graze into the weeds and after, years of waiting for them to return to their roots, I finally gave up hope and canceled my membership. As of 2022, the NRA's finances are in major dis-array and less irresistible than they were. But whatever you think of the NRA, they are politically cagey and have focused their remaining influence on key GOP senators and governors. In some cases because the targeted individual is not that bright and is easily influenced (Senator Ted Cruze and Governor Gregg Abbot of Texas), or like Mitch McConnell, they hold key positions in congress and are from a state where a substantial portion of the population still relies on their gun to put meat in the pot. (Mitch McConnell may have to retire before any substantive legislation can be passed as he is a wily old fox and firmly and his position on gun control is deep-rooted. A recent New York Times column laid the failure of gun legislation squarely at his feet.)

Blaming the NRA for mass shooting events is not going to do anything but allow you to vent. You said, a majority of the American population favors some sort of (hopefully sensible), gun control. What can result in change is making our opinion known in the only forum that really counts, the ballot box. Oppose all efforts to fence the ballot box. Make it easier, not harder to vote. Make election day a holiday. Support candidates who favor command sense gun regulation. Speak out at every opportunity and keep speaking out. Statistically a majority of the obdurate are extroverts who form their opinion based on everyone knows. If they hear enough pro-gun control voices they may begin to question their position and we might actually not only see legislation passed but actually enforced.

Now I am going to try to climb down off of this soapbox before I fall and break my neck. laugh
Posted By: ryck Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/07/22 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by Ira L
So maybe the question is how do you convince the politicians that a change is necessary? They are the source of legislation for change. Yes, some of these politicians represent gun owners, but if the polls are to be believed, a majority of voters want changes in gun laws and that transforms into a majority of politicians whom they represent.
The trick is getting them from opposite sides of the table to the same side. Right now it's like a traditional union/management negotiation: everyone comes to the table with their "demands" and they duke it out. The two sides in this issue could could learn from a more modern way of negotiating called "Interest Based Bargaining" (IBB).

Essentially IBB needs to be started and supported at the top, and there needs to be a moderator who is very experienced in IBB and can get the two groups past hurdles. The moderator is critical because the two sides come to the table with ingrained views. The process starts with looking for things that the two parties can agree on, that they have in common which, in this case, might be:

We can agree that:

• murdering children must stop.
• mass shootings generally (theatres, grocery stores) must stop
• guns should not get into the hands of the mentally unstable
• our objective is not to violate the 2nd Amendment and "take everyone's guns away"
• illegal gun trafficking must stop
• Et cetera, et cetera

Once the initial list is prepared (more things may be added as the process continues) the moderator will, with the two sides participating, pick an item that is most likely to get to a successful outcome. For example, from the very short list above, it might be "illegal gun trafficking must stop" or "guns should not get into the hands of the mentally unstable". All the preceding is 'IBB Lite' but gets the idea across - the issues will never get resolved as long as the two sides only want to have ideological fights.
Posted By: Ira L Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/07/22 06:26 PM
It may not apply in the case of gun issues, but in traditional effective labor bargaining you do not usually want to sign off on any issue until all issues are resolved. This allows for modifying or swapping (I'll give you this if you give me that) of issues. It is my experience that Interest Based Bargaining does not allow for that, although there are probably variations that could allow for it. My experience is that the moderator wants to get through the list and there is a reluctance to backtrack, which may not be in the interest of one of the parties.

And you are certainly correct that ideological fights will not accomplish anything, but moving past that seems to be very, very difficult. Alas.
Posted By: joemikeb Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/08/22 01:23 AM
I contend that all of today's congressional business IS interest-based. The individual politicians' self-interest that is. (And seldom corresponds with the interests of the republic.)

I remember the days when the REAL political negotiations took place between a few carefully curated deal-makers over cigars and brandy in the traditional smoke-filled room and carefully hidden from the press. That allowed negotiators on each side to say what they really wanted out of the deal and what they were willing to trade to get it without worrying their words might get out to voters who were innocent of all the facts and implications. This practice was criticized, not because of the results, but because it denied grist for the evening news' mill. Some of those deals were undeniably questionable, but the business of the people got done. Today everything takes place in public under the glare of television lights. So not only do fewer questionable deals not get made, nothing happens but posturing for the camera and a mention on the evening news. As a result, there are few, if any, of those deal-malkers left in either house. Maybe we got better government out of those smoke-filled rooms. Where are the Everett Dirksens and Lyndon Johnsons of the world when we need them?
Posted By: jchuzi Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/08/22 03:53 PM
It is regrettable, but not unexpected, that Fox News (now there's an oxymoron!), unlike all the major networks, will not broadcast the Congressional hearings dealing with Jan. 6. May that crew migrate to Russia so that they can live with Putin.
Posted By: artie505 Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/08/22 04:29 PM
Originally Posted by jchuzi
It is regrettable, but not unexpected, that Fox News (now there's an oxymoron!), unlike all the major networks, will not broadcast the Congressional hearings dealing with Jan. 6. May that crew migrate to Russia so that they can live with Putin.
The New Yorker has reported - tongue - that they're rerunning the Benghazi hearings instead.
Posted By: ryck Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/10/22 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by jchuzi
It is regrettable, but not unexpected, that Fox News (now there's an oxymoron!), unlike all the major networks, will not broadcast the Congressional hearings dealing with Jan. 6.
Last evening Stephen Colbert revealed an interesting fact: During the first hour of the hearings Fox aired Tucker Carlson without commercials. In other words Fox did not want to take a chance that one of their viewers might channel-surf during the commercial break, happen upon the hearings, and stay there. Imagine - a network with the credo of misinformation, preposterous conspiracy theories, and lies so ingrained that they are willing to take a big financial hit rather than have their viewers hear the truth.
Posted By: jchuzi Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/10/22 02:50 PM
For those who can open this page, read The Jan. 6 hearing dominated the airwaves — except on Fox News from the Washington Post. From the article:
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“The dullest, the most boring, there’s absolutely nothing new, multi-hour Democratic fundraiser masquerading as a Jan. 6 hearing,” Fox host Sean Hannity declared.

“They’ve interrupted their regularly scheduled programming to bring you yet another extended prime-time harangue from Nancy Pelosi and Liz Cheney about Donald Trump and QAnon,” scoffed fellow Fox host Tucker Carlson. “It’s deranged, and we’re not playing along. This is the only hour on an American news channel that will not be carrying their propaganda live.”

A banner on the screen read: “THE JANUARY 6TH ‘SHOW TRIAL’ IS UNDERWAY.”
Posted By: Douglas Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/10/22 04:10 PM
I suspect if Faux News had been around during the Joseph McCarthy hearing in the 1950's, Rupert Murdoch would have been tabled 'un-American' and be out of business.
Posted By: jchuzi Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/10/22 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by Douglas
I suspect if Faux News had been around during the Joseph McCarthy hearing in the 1950's, Rupert Murdoch would have been tabled 'un-American' and be out of business.
grin
Posted By: ryck Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/10/22 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by jchuzi
The dullest, the most boring, there’s absolutely nothing new, multi-hour Democratic fundraiser masquerading as a Jan. 6 hearing,” Fox host Sean Hannity declared.
Hannity is certainly welcome to his opinion. However, my wife and I watched the entire presentation and found it riveting....and we're not American.
Posted By: artie505 Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/10/22 06:12 PM
He's prepping his moronic audience for what's to come.
Posted By: jchuzi Re: the bottomless barrel - 06/19/22 11:29 AM
Speaking of morons, the GOP seems to require its members to be idiots. Republican Drive to Tilt Courts Against Climate Action Reaches a Crucial Moment After all, the fact that our planet will soon be uninhabitable is unimportant when we have to consider gun control, gay marriage, abortion, you-name-it. At least the Republicans can be happy, when we die from lack of food and water and temperatures are unbearable, that gays can no longer marry. This is fiddling while Earth burns.

On the other hand, destroying our only planet can be good for the economy.
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