Our next president?!!

Posted by: jchuzi

Our next president?!! - 11/20/15 04:15 PM

Trump wants database to track Muslims in US; Carson compares Syrian refugees to rabid dogs If either of these turkeys wins the election, I'm moving to Canada. So far, the Canadians may have problems, but they seem to have a handle on sanity.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/20/15 05:10 PM

Don't slow down as you approach the border or I might leave footprints on your back. shocked
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/22/15 08:17 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
If either of these turkeys wins the election, I'm moving to Canada.

Well, the one thing you can say about the Republicans so far is that they're certainly much more entertaining….sometimes generating a laugh, sometimes a gasp. And, periodically I even have to check the calendar to see what year is it.
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/22/15 08:33 AM


Quote:
And, periodically I even have to check the calendar to see what year is it.

A major political party disintegrating into factions one of which celebrates its own ignorance? Racist violence and anti-immigrant xenophobia running amok? Should be obvious that it's 1856.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/22/15 10:05 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
If either of these turkeys wins the election, I'm moving to Canada. So far, the Canadians may have problems, but they seem to have a handle on sanity.

If you can wangle a way to 'prove' you qualify as a Syrian refugee, you could move to the front of the line. Otherwise it'll take you months if not years to negotiate the byzantine immigration route (almost as convoluted and costly as the American one).
Posted by: tacit

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/22/15 11:57 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
If you can wangle a way to 'prove' you qualify as a Syrian refugee, you could move to the front of the line. Otherwise it'll take you months if not years to negotiate the byzantine immigration route (almost as convoluted and costly as the American one).


That is true. I'm trying to get a visa into Canada right now and it's a painful and cumbersome process.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/22/15 01:52 PM

Originally Posted By: tacit
I'm trying to get a visa into Canada right now and it's a painful and cumbersome process.

¿Qué pasa? Normally Americans (non-felons) are allowed access to Canada with little ado.
You were up here before in the not-so-distant past for book promotion and didn't seem to have any difficulties in crossing the border. What's changed?
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/22/15 04:01 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
If either of these turkeys wins the election, I'm moving to Canada. So far, the Canadians may have problems, but they seem to have a handle on sanity.

If you can wangle a way to 'prove' you qualify as a Syrian refugee, you could move to the front of the line. Otherwise it'll take you months if not years to negotiate the byzantine immigration route (almost as convoluted and costly as the American one).
It seems to me that anyone seeking asylum from President Trump or President Carson would go to the head of the line. shocked
Posted by: MacManiac

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/23/15 07:23 AM

I think if it were me seeking asylum in a "friendly English-speaking" culture, I might consider either New Zealand or Australia as alternatives with a much warmer climate....

I'm just sayin'....
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/23/15 08:18 AM

Originally Posted By: MacManiac
I think if it were me seeking asylum in a "friendly English-speaking" culture, I might consider either New Zealand or Australia as alternatives with a much warmer climate.... I'm just sayin'....

A couple problems with either of those choices:

Australia's fauna (with the exception of mammals) are almost all venomous. Antivenins to counteract snake envenomization need to be specific; consequently, especially in the outback, you're probably doomed if you're bitten.

New Zealand — which is a wonderful place, even if you can't live in Hobbiton — is by and large free of all venomous creatures. However, the ozone hole over the whole country (ie, both islands) pretty much guarantees that over time you will become a walking melanoma or squamous cell carcinoma. Moreover, if you're over 56 and/or don't have a desired occupation or NZ$500,000 to invest in the country (and not just in your own home), you ain't getting a permanent resident visa.

But of the two places, go for NZ. Jeffrey Masson's SLIPPING INTO PARADISE : WHY I LIVE IN NEW ZEALAND (2004) is a gem of a book and a good start for tourists and potential expats.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/23/15 11:55 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
New Zealand — which is a wonderful place, even if you can't live in Hobbiton — is by and large free of all venomous creatures.

And, Air New Zealand has the best airline safety video….ever.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/23/15 12:22 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
And, Air New Zealand has the best airline safety video….ever.

wow...
Posted by: tacit

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/23/15 01:13 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: tacit
I'm trying to get a visa into Canada right now and it's a painful and cumbersome process.

¿Qué pasa? Normally Americans (non-felons) are allowed access to Canada with little ado.
You were up here before in the not-so-distant past for book promotion and didn't seem to have any difficulties in crossing the border. What's changed?


I'm trying to get a work permit/residency visa, rather than just visit. My partner and I have started a company that's headquartered in Vancouver, but technically I'm not allowed to do any work for the company unless I'm in the US. If I work from the US, Oregon wants a bite out of the company in the form of taxes (there's a state income tax on non-local companies that have a "business presence" in the state).
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/23/15 02:11 PM

Originally Posted By: tacit
My partner and I have started a company that's headquartered in Vancouver, but technically I'm not allowed to do any work for the company unless I'm in the US. If I work from the US, Oregon wants a bite out of the company in the form of taxes….

I used to suspect that tax departments had agents whose only role was to ensure there were sufficient rules to 'cover ALL the bases'. Now I'm sure.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/23/15 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: tacit
I'm trying to get a work permit/residency visa, rather than just visit. My partner and I have started a company that's headquartered in Vancouver, but technically I'm not allowed to do any work for the company unless I'm in the US. If I work from the US, Oregon wants a bite out of the company in the form of taxes (there's a state income tax on non-local companies that have a "business presence" in the state).

Yeah, you're pretty much screwed. Your quest is going to take a long time and cost a lot. You might be better off moving to Vancouver, WA; that way OR can't touch you (pun intended).
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/24/15 04:56 AM

is "telecommuting" considered "doing business"? That would seem to be an outrageously broad coverage, since that would mean even someone stopping in a hotel on a business trip and logging in over the vpn would put a 'business presence' in the state as they stayed the night.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/24/15 05:26 AM

Originally Posted By: V1
is "telecommuting" considered "doing business"?

Yep!

My sister got tripped up (albeit not precisely in tacit's sense) when she moved from MD to CO; if she were to get paid for telecommuting her employer would be subject to all of CO's rules and taxes regarding employees (That may be universal among the states.) and wasn't willing to assume the burden.

I doubt that anybody'd try to tax a person overnighting in a hotel (not yet, anyhow tongue ), but in tacit's instance he's "maintaining a place of business" in OR by his presence and, therefore, subject to taxation by the state. (If the rules haven't changed, the business's income would probably be allocated to OR based on the proportion of sales, salaries, and assets located or occurring in OR.)
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/28/15 12:30 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Trump wants database to track Muslims in US; Carson compares Syrian refugees to rabid dogs If either of these turkeys wins the election, I'm moving to Canada. ...

The way things are going, should that come to pass, a better bet would be to bend over and kiss your ass good-bye. Maybe even hope to join the Rapture. tongue

Moi, I just hope to make it across the Rainbow Bridge (or at least the bridge to Terabithia) before the gates permanently close. smirk
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/28/15 10:16 PM

The Smartness Act of 2015

Legislation to ensure minimum academic standards for government officials. This would likely eliminate most candidates for office. And not a moment too soon.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/29/15 12:36 AM

That's hilarious (or is it?). If that were real legislation, the current congress probably couldn't understand it. But, that's never been a barrier to passing laws.

As a former teacher, I wish that there were minimum standards for becoming parents. Biological urges always trump brains.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/15 12:29 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Trump wants database to track Muslims in US; Carson compares Syrian refugees to rabid dogs If either of these turkeys wins the election, I'm moving to Canada.

It seems that nuttiness must be a prerequisite even to be a Republican Senator. According to a New York Times editorial:

"While the nation suffered through the shock of another bloody massacre, on Thursday every Senate Republican except Mark Kirk of Illinois voted against legislation to prevent people on the F.B.I.’s consolidated terrorist watchlist from purchasing guns or explosives."
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/15 01:41 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
"While the nation suffered through the shock of another bloody massacre, on Thursday every Senate Republican except Mark Kirk of Illinois voted against legislation to prevent people on the F.B.I.’s consolidated terrorist watchlist from purchasing guns or explosives."

Of course! Congress doesn’t want to pass any legislation that might cut into the profits of the arms industry and according to reports this last pair spent over $25,000 on guns. After all, along with Wall Street they are some of the biggest contributors to campaign funds and even better, “dark” money that doesn’t have to be accounted for. Similarly congress has passed legislation that prohibits collecting data on mental illness as related to gun violence, in spite of the pleas of many reputable mental health experts.

However even if congress passed legislation prohibiting persons on a watch list from purchasing guns or explosives this latest pair of terrorists were not on anyones watch list in this or any other country. They were completely under the radar.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/15 03:47 PM

According to the CBC, this New York Times editorial (End the Gun Epidemic in America) appeared on the front page of today's printed edition — for the first time since 1920!
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/15 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
According to the CBC, this New York Times editorial (End the Gun Epidemic in America) appeared on the front page of today's printed edition — for the first time since 1920!

No matter what the public thinks off the front page editorial, to quote a current GOP Presidential front runner, "The New York Times is a failed anachronism and has no meaning in today's world." His words, definitely not mine.
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/15 04:10 PM


Of course, a year from now, the same will likely be true of the current GOP Presidential front runner.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/15 04:14 PM

I certainly look forward to that! cool
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/15 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
According to the CBC, this New York Times editorial (End the Gun Epidemic in America) appeared on the front page of today's printed edition — for the first time since 1920!

And one of the Republican Presidential candidate hopefuls, Governor Chris Christie, described the editorial as "typical Liberal claptrap".

Hmmmm....his response sounds to me like typical Republican claptrap.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/15 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
Of course, a year from now, the same will likely be true of the current GOP Presidential front runner.

Actually, I'm looking forward to the upcoming Republican debates. I'm certain that, if the party is going to maintain the image projected thus far, a tiny car is going to drive out onto the stage and the candidates will get out one-by-one, wearing very long shoes and round red noses.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/15 11:56 PM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
Of course, a year from now, the same will likely be true of the current GOP Presidential front runner.

Actually, a year from there won't be anyone running, except away, since the election will have come and gone over a month earlier.

A more likely scenario? Tromp [sic] will likely have gotten his wish and the space between the 49th parallel and the Rio Bravo will have become a no man's land (certainly not a DMZ); 300+ million bystanders will have become global pariahs.

The only problem will be what to do with Alaska (49th state).
A nice gesture would be to make Seward's Folly a parting gift back to Russia, leaving behind a plaque commemorating the ancient land bridge's contribution to human pollution of the western hemisphere. (Anybody care to calculate what the original purchase price of ca $7 million might be in today's dollars?)

Hawai'i won't be an issue, given "global warming" and the predicted multi-meter increase in ocean level. It might be entertaining to watch the polluted waters of the Pacific creep up the sides of Mauna Loa and the last survivors pleading, "Don't nobody make a wave."[*]
[* To recycle/extend the punchline from a very old joke that many of the OFs who troll this forum might remember from their adolescence ... or not.]

By the bye, that front page editorial (End the Gun Epidemic in America) is now the most frequently viewed/emailed/tweeted/Facebook-shared NYT article.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/06/15 06:12 AM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
Of course, a year from now, the same will likely be true of the current GOP Presidential front runner.

Originally Posted By: grelber
A more likely scenario? Tromp [sic] will likely have gotten his wish and the space between the 49th parallel and the Rio Bravo will have become a no man's land...

Or...........

Trump may be gone long before then. I don't think he ever wanted to be President, and his position in the polls is an unwanted turn of events in his real plan....which was simply to get into the race long enough to enhance his "brand".

For a selfish egotist like Trump, being President just doesn't make sense.

Right now his wealth gives him all sorts of freedoms. He can board his private plane or one of his yachts and head out to one of his many palatial residences, or anywhere else, to do whatever he wants. In any of his business meetings he gets to say "We're doing it my way. If you don't like it, you're fired".

If Trump became President, all that would go away.

He would find (as he already knows) that there are all sorts of blocks to his being able to do whatever he wants when he wants, or simply to dictate his wishes. He would be faced with doing something he finds loathesome - seeking consensus and making political compromises. In order to make those changes in his usual modus operandi, Trump would have to be a person sincerely interested in someone other than himself. He is not.

Now that his plan (hang around long enough to enhance his "brand") has back-fired, Trump has to extricate himself. How better than to make more and more outrageous statements so that the party will be forced to turf him? It's perfect.

As he wipes his brow with a loud "whew!", he gets to say: "Well, I could have fixed everything but you didn't want me". And, he has provided all the funding for his "campaign" so he isn't beholden to any PAC or other contributors.

Mission accomplished: Trump's "brand" gains.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/06/15 06:26 AM

Ryck, you're so logical. Too bad that Mr. Trump doesn't share that trait. So, he may REALLY want to be president. Of course, as you implied, that would be a comedown in terms of his power (whatever that may be).
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/06/15 06:34 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: grelber
A more likely scenario? Tromp [sic] will likely have gotten his wish and the space between the 49th parallel and the Rio Bravo will have become a no man's land...

Or...........
Trump may be gone long before then. ...
For a selfish egotist like Trump, being President just doesn't make sense. ...
If Trump became President, all that would go away. ...
Mission accomplished: Trump's "brand" gains.

I don't disagree with your main thesis, but I also didn't mean to suggest that Tromp would become president, only that his push for a "wall" to keep out undesirables might take the shape of the entire lower 48.
However, there have been boobs elected to the office and, given the current mentality which seems prevalent in the US, stranger things could happen.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 05:00 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
[quote=jchuzi]"While the nation suffered through the shock of another bloody massacre, on Thursday every Senate Republican except Mark Kirk of Illinois voted against legislation to prevent people on the F.B.I.’s consolidated terrorist watchlist from purchasing guns or explosives."

Unfortunately, that statement is woefully short on details. Look at legislation like the Patriot Act that was drafted and passed on a kneejerk reaction just like this one. The final analysis found it included no effective oversight and proved to be a very invasive, disliked, and difficult to get rid of piece of legislation.

Typically, congress moves too slowly. Sometimes they actually move at a good pace. And then from time to time, they rush things way too fast. They do it to make it look like they're on top of something that they don't know anything more than "my party rep said to vote YES on this". Vultures sometimes use this opportunity to slip in some ugly pork because "nobody's going to vote against this bill, and they don't want to waste time trimming off the pork in committee".

Passing bad legislation is just as much of a problem as not passing good legislation. Until I read the teardown on what they passed, I'll reserve judgement on this holdout. He may have had some very good reason(s) to object to it. Congress is known for this.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 06:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Passing bad legislation is just as much of a problem as not passing good legislation. Until I read the teardown on what they passed, I'll reserve judgement on this holdout. He may have had some very good reason(s) to object to it. Congress is known for this.

I think you may have misunderstood. Mark Kirk of Illinois was the only Republican who wanted to prevent people on the FBI Terrorist Watchlist from acquiring weapons or explosives. The rest of them thought the status quo is just fine.

I believe this is the point the President has been making - if it's not safe for these people to board an aircraft, it can't be safe to allow them to buy guns and explosives. As he said in his speech yesterday: "Congress should act to make sure no one on a no-fly list is able to buy a gun. What could possibly be the argument for allowing a terrorist suspect to buy semiautomatic weapons?"
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 06:25 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
I don't disagree with your main thesis, but I also didn't mean to suggest that Tromp would become president, only that his push for a "wall" to keep out undesirables might take the shape of the entire lower 48.

We're in sync of that one. He's already suggested that a wall along the Canadian border might also be needed.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 06:38 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Ryck, you're so logical. Too bad that Mr. Trump doesn't share that trait. So, he may REALLY want to be president.

And current polls suggest that it could happen. However, I'm going to stick with my thought for now because he's become even more outrageous (read: panicky) by spouting easily disproven, totally fictitious stories.

But, just in case, are you dusting off your traveling bags?
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 07:43 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
I think you may have misunderstood. Mark Kirk of Illinois was the only Republican who wanted to prevent people on the FBI Terrorist Watchlist from acquiring weapons or explosives. The rest of them thought the status quo is just fine.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" In the case of congressional-level legislation, things are so mired in politics and pork that you almost never get exactly what you ask for. You could declare martial law and that would be a wonderful way to keep weapons and explosives out of the hands of terrorists. But at much too high of a cost. With laws its particularly important to look at how a law is going to be exercised, exactly who it CAN be applied to (and not just "who we're intending on applying it to, this is a COMMON mistake), what oversight (if ANY?) there will be, and when (if EVER?) the law will expire. There are a few other major ones but these are the big three.

The reason I said "kneejerk reaction" earlier is because the rush to push through legislation to catch C, D, and J often casts an overly broad net that technically applies to B through L. When questioned on this, they almost universally say "well of course this law isn't meant to be applied to everyone, we trust the cops and the judges to only apply it to C/D/J even though technically they can apply it fully to B-L. Trust us." The problem with this approach is it is fundamentally flawed. Cops enforce the law, they are not supposed to interpret and selectively apply it. They expect the laws to be written accurately and concisely. Judges just make sure the process is fair, within the definition of the law, so if you're G, you're technically within B-L, and you're fair game. The only way to prevent abuse is to rule it out by writing a good law that carefully defines application to C, D, and J.

This is just one aspect of a good law / bad law. I mentioned oversight and expiration also, and these, if skipped in the drafting or done poorly/incompletely, can have just as damaging of effects.

Please don't support badly written laws just because they have good intentions. There are way too many examples of just how horribly wrong this can go. And in a country where power, politics, and money are driving forces, something that can be abused is virtually guaranteed TO be abused.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 07:59 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
And current polls suggest that it could happen. However, I'm going to stick with my thought for now because he's become even more outrageous (read: panicky) by spouting easily disproven, totally fictitious stories.

But, just in case, are you dusting off your traveling bags?

"The Donald" is a master practitioner of the big lie (if you tell a big enough lie often enough and loudly enough people will come to accept it as the truth) which was so artfully and successfully used by Adolph Hitler in Germany. "The Donald's" demonizing of Muslims is a virtual mirror image of Hitler's pogrom against the Jews. Just as in pre-WWII Germany it is a distraction from the failures/unwillingness of the government to effectively address pressing economic and social issues of the time.

Unfortunately since the other potential nominees have no real program of their own, when they see "The Donald" gaining traction with his outrageous statements they are all too willing to jump on the bandwagon with him. Negative politics have always been with us, but this campaign has turned into a battle of who can be the most negative and outrageous.

I could go on but it would leave me with a sour stomach and bad attitude for the rest of the day. On 911 I promised myself I would not permit the terrorists to make me fearful and I am trying mightily to make the same promise about the current crop of presidential candidates. Sadly I am far more successful not fearing the terrorists than I am the politicians.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 08:40 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
"The Donald" is a master practitioner of the big lie (if you tell a big enough lie often enough and loudly enough people will come to accept it as the truth) which was so artfully and successfully used by Adolph Hitler in Germany.

As previously used by the British in WWI and others much before that. The quote "In war, truth is the first casualty" was from a Greek dramatist Aeschylus about 500 BC.

World War I was so gruesome that Britain had trouble getting people to enlist, so they embarked on a propaganda campaign alleging atrocities in Germany - which were subsequently proved false. However, the campaign proved to be very successful and was key in defeating Germany.

The Nazis recognized this and based their propaganda campaign on the British model of WWI.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 08:53 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I could go on but it would leave me with a sour stomach and bad attitude for the rest of the day.

Me too. The idea that the most powerful nation in history could be led by a bozo leads to stomach upset. Oh wait, it already has been….George Bush.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 01:11 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
"The Donald" is a master practitioner of the big lie (if you tell a big enough lie often enough and loudly enough people will come to accept it as the truth) which was so artfully and successfully used by Adolph Hitler in Germany. "The Donald's" demonizing of Muslims is a virtual mirror image of Hitler's pogrom against the Jews.

Originally Posted By: Voltaire
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

Pendragon's sig, which I've long appreciated but am now beginning to fear.

Perhaps the best we can hope for is an independent run by Trump, who I don't think is at all likely to get the nomination, that will split the crackpot vote.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Me too. The idea that the most powerful nation in history could be led by a bozo leads to stomach upset. Oh wait, it already has been….George Bush.

Which George Bush? 41 or 43? 41 is IMHO an honorable man and deserves kudos for his conduct of the first Gulf War. The mission was accomplished and then we got the H___ out. IMHO, 43 is nowhere near the same caliber as his father and rather than being leader he was used by others whom he unwisely trusted like Cheney and Rumsfeld.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 04:09 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: ryck
Me too. The idea that the most powerful nation in history could be led by a bozo leads to stomach upset.
Oh wait, it already has been….George Bush.

Which George Bush? 41 or 43?

George W…..hands down.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/15 04:15 PM

When I was young, I was taught that anyone can become president. I'm beginning to believe it. Will Rogers
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/08/15 05:26 AM

I don't remember the source, or the exact quote, but it has a distinctly Mark Twain sound to it: "Any man capable of getting himself elected president is unfit for the position." Or something to that effect. I think there was another one on a similar vein: "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve."
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/08/15 05:36 AM

For myself, I believe that the mere fact of wanting to be president should automatically disqualify the candidate.
Posted by: Douglas

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/08/15 07:17 AM

Bingo, jchuzi. You win the prize. I've felt that exact sentiment for years now.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/08/15 07:54 AM

Originally Posted By: William Tecumseh Sherman
I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/08/15 09:09 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: William Tecumseh Sherman
I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected.

I remember potential presidential candidates in my youth making the same declaration and I am certainly not THAT old.

I heard yesterday that Karl Rove (definitely NOT on my list of favorite politicians) has recently asserted the nation was better served when the presidential candidates were selected in a cigar smoke filled room at the party national conventions than it has been under today's primary system. It startles me to find I agreed with Karl Rove on anything, even the time of day, but I think he is absolutely correct in this assertion.

Today's primary system virtually guarantees only candidates on the extreme edges of the political spectrum will be nominated.
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/08/15 09:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
I don't remember the source, or the exact quote, but it has a distinctly Mark Twain sound to it: "Any man capable of getting himself elected president is unfit for the position." Or something to that effect.


Perhaps Groucho Marx? He also said he would not want to belong to any organization that would have him as a member. grin
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/08/15 05:02 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I heard yesterday that Karl Rove (definitely NOT on my list of favorite politicians) has recently asserted the nation was better served when the presidential candidates were selected in a cigar smoke filled room at the party national conventions than it has been under today's primary system. It startles me to find I agreed with Karl Rove on anything, even the time of day, but I think he is absolutely correct in this assertion.

Agreed about both Rove and his statement.

We may get back to basics next year, though, with the possibility of a real "brokered convention" (which, according to Wikipedia, would be the first one since 1952) looming large, I think.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/08/15 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I heard yesterday that Karl Rove (definitely NOT on my list of favorite politicians) has recently asserted the nation was better served when the presidential candidates were selected in a cigar smoke filled room at the party national conventions than it has been under today's primary system.

When was that? I always thought the American primaries process was in your Constitution.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/08/15 05:37 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I heard yesterday that Karl Rove (definitely NOT on my list of favorite politicians) has recently asserted the nation was better served when the presidential candidates were selected in a cigar smoke filled room at the party national conventions than it has been under today's primary system.

When was that? I always thought the American primaries process was in your Constitution.

It may well be, but if so it's not mandatory.

Up to a point, most states did not run primaries and nobody ever came to the convention as "The Candidate", but at some point the states began jumping on the bandwagon to the point where the ultimate candidate now only rarely gets to the convention without enough first ballot delegates to clinch the nomination.

Here's some background.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/09/15 05:51 AM


It would appear that Donald Trump's dislike for Muslims does have a limit. It seems to stop at the point they help to make him richer.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/09/15 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
When was that? I always thought the American primaries process was in your Constitution.

Many states have long held party primaries or conventions to select delegates to the parties national convention, but just as the two parties are not in the constitution neither is the method of nominating candidates for the presidency. The process for selecting delegates is up to the individual state and varies greatly from state to state and even then it is up to each political party whether or not they want to participate.
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/11/15 11:27 AM

Trump & the GOP vs. a young man from Homs. As American as Apple pie in the sky, Banksy said.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/20/16 10:43 AM

Just when I thought the Republican leadership race couldn't possibly get goofier, Trump rolls out whiney Sarah Palin to endorse him….the person who is most likely why John McCain lost.

Har, har, har….please stop….har, har, har….
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/20/16 12:19 PM

But the Tea Party loves her, and he needs their support.

Edit: Better yet, what's her angle playing up to him? Another VP run? tongue

Or maybe Defense because of the vast experience she's gained from living next door to Siberia?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/20/16 04:42 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
But the Tea Party loves her, and he needs their support.

Cruz followed the Palin/Trump endorsement by stating how much he admired and respected Palin. One newspaper got it right, with this on their front page: "Hate minds think alike."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/20/16 11:15 PM

Unless it's a Green candidate, no matter who gets into office, we gotta get that wall up soon. Otherwise it's gonna resemble a zombie apocalypse up here. tongue

On the other hand we could use such migrants to build roads up north — think above 60° North. smirk
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/21/16 06:14 AM

The republican presidential race this time around has been by far the most entertaining long-running event in quite awhile. They don't have anything positive (that's sane) to say about themselves, can't point fingers for the most part because they've all got the same dirty laundry, so the entire race has devolved into a "race to the bottom" to see who can appear to be the most extreme republican.

How bad is it when trump wants to build a giant wall and kick out all the muslims and the other candidates are calling him too moderate?? Time to get out the popcorn and enjoy the show!
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/21/16 07:23 AM

Originally Posted By: virtual1
Time to get out the popcorn and enjoy the show!

Popcorn sales skyrocketing... Iowa... I think you're on to something.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/21/16 11:01 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Just when I thought the Republican leadership race couldn't possibly get goofier, Trump rolls out whiney Sarah Palin to endorse him ... the person who is most likely why John McCain lost.
Har, har, har ... please stop ... har, har, har ...

The Most Mystifying Lines of Sarah Palin’s Endorsement Speech

They're only 'mystifying' until you realize that they're the ravings of a lunatic describing the character and behavior of a congener. crazy tongue

However, as a linguist, I must say I enjoy Palin's inadvertent neologisms (such as the portmanteau squirmish). Lewis Carroll she ain't, so most (if not all) of her coinages are merely slips of the tongue/mind. Credit where it's due.
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/22/16 03:37 AM


The Poetry of Sarah Palin.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/22/16 04:50 AM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
Originally Posted By: virtual1
Time to get out the popcorn and enjoy the show!

Popcorn sales skyrocketing... Iowa... I think you're on to something.


I know right? And as I'm in Iowa, the primary madness starts here!
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/22/16 05:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: slolerner
Originally Posted By: virtual1
Time to get out the popcorn and enjoy the show!

Popcorn sales skyrocketing... Iowa... I think you're on to something.


I know, right? And as I'm in Iowa, the primary madness starts here!

Took note of that. Now, with the highest TV ratings ever for Republican primaries, what political strategist would lay to waste all that opportunity to sell popcorn and didnt sponsor the debates? Iowa. Corn country. blush tongue
Posted by: dboh

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/23/16 02:53 PM

Steven Colbert's reaction to Palin's endorsement speech:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/stephen-...-its-hilarious/

The funniest 7 minutes on TV in a while.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/03/16 06:43 AM

And now Cruz is more of a possibility. What a chilling thought. How many Republicans had to lose any ability to think rationally in order for these two to advance this far? I believe it was George Carlin who said: "In America, anyone can become president. That’s the problem."

Are you keeping your bags near the door, Jon and joemike?
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/03/16 08:13 AM

For what it's worth, every year it seems there are fewer and fewer good candidates choose from because getting the job is pure hell, every detail of your personal life, your career and that of every family member is made public and used to defame you. Like no one ever did a dumb thing at some time in their life?

I think most competent, intelligent people are not trying to be President. They're using their skills and knowledge to make money, make a real difference in this world, or just live a peaceful life.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/03/16 09:32 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
And now Cruz is more of a possibility. What a chilling thought. How many Republicans had to lose any ability to think rationally in order for these two to advance this far? I believe it was George Carlin who said: "In America, anyone can become president. That’s the problem."

Are you keeping your bags near the door, Jon and joemike?

Since I am a lifelong Texan, I am all too familiar with Ted Cruz. It is widely known here that Cruz is intensely disliked by his fellow Republican Senator from Texas (an otherwise useless politician) as well as most of his other Republican colleagues in the Senate. He has little to no support from the Texas Republican regulars and gets the bulk of his support from the net-know-nothings (a.k.a. Tea Party) in the wealthy suburbs of Houston and Dallas. As President he would likely have major opposition from the Democrats and also from his fellow Republicans in the Senate. Thus effectively neutering his presidency, which IMHO might be the better option. Heaven help the U.S., the clown with the bad comb-over (Trump) might actually be able to get some of his programs (or is that pogroms?) through congress.

I understand Medellin, (yes that is the one in Columbia). Thailand, and Panama all have thriving U.S. ex-pat communities. I wonder if they will accept my health insurance?
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/05/16 07:38 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
And now Cruz is more of a possibility. What a chilling thought. How many Republicans had to lose any ability to think rationally in order for these two to advance this far?

The good news is they've gotten this far in the primaries. That just means "These are the best we can pick, given the choices we have."

Hopefully that doesn't have a lot of bearing on the actual election.

Though really the dems don't have very stellar options either. Hillary is the most popular but a lot of people don't like her. This may be one of those election years where we really have to pick the one we hate the least ;P
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/05/16 10:53 AM

Originally Posted By: virtual1
This may be one of those election years where we really have to pick the one we hate the least.

Right. We get what we deserve after making the job of becoming President so brutal and costly. That was just the first primary.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 05:53 AM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
We get what we deserve after making the job of becoming President so brutal and costly.

And yet, over on the Democratic side, Sanders is making quite a splash without having any PACs….and he's connecting with young people with a message about changing the way things are. No matter what anyone might want to say about the complexity of the American system, there's no doubt it provides the best show.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 06:57 AM

Not to put too fine a point on it ...
There is not a single presidential candidate of any political stripe who could conceivably "do America proud" (if elected). They're all a bunch of feckless bumblers.
Talk about effete electoral slates — to use of one Spiro Agnew's favorite words. (For all his foibles he was at least literate.)
An amazingly sad state of affairs.
Even Eldridge Cleaver (back in 1968) had charisma, albeit zero electability.
Talk about the beginning of the end ....
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 07:06 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
There is not a single presidential candidate of any political stripe who could conceivably "do America proud" (if elected). They're all a bunch of feckless bumblers.

Which should probably be prefaced with IMHO.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 08:22 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: grelber
There is not a single presidential candidate of any political stripe who could conceivably "do America proud" (if elected). They're all a bunch of feckless bumblers.

Which should probably be prefaced with IMHO.

It goes without saying that it's my opinion ... but hardly humble. tongue crazy

There hasn't been a decent and/or competent administration since WWII with the possible exception of Ike's (and that from one who once upon a time staunchly believed in and supported Camelot) and in the past couple decades the legislative branch of government has turned into a joke if not travesty.

Ike warned about the military-industrial complex ... and nobody listened. And look what happened!

There's precious little between the 49th parallel and the Rio Bravo which is worth preserving. IMO. (Most of it is owned by the Chinese anyway.)

On the other hand ... there are 5 fingers and this: Why Canada Should Be Elected US President in 2016
Posted by: freelance

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 11:29 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Ike warned about the military-industrial complex ... and nobody listened. And look what happened! ...
... On the other hand ... there are 5 fingers and this: Why Canada Should Be Elected US President in 2016

Never mind. The truth is out there: http://www.fox.com/the-x-files grin
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 12:23 PM

Originally Posted By: freelance
Never mind. The truth is out there: http://www.fox.com/the-x-files grin

You betcha! shocked grin
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 12:25 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
There hasn't been a decent and/or competent administration since WWII with the possible exception of Ike's (and that from one who once upon a time staunchly believed in and supported Camelot)….

I believe there are a few historians who would disagree and point to LBJ as one of the most productive U.S. Presidents. And, granting that LBJ had twice as much time in office, he accomplished a lot more than JFK.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 01:00 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
I believe there are a few historians who would disagree and point to LBJ as one of the most productive U.S. Presidents. And, granting that LBJ had twice as much time in office, he accomplished a lot more than JFK.

I was never a fan of LBJ, largely because of the LBJ Corporation's notoriously predatory business practices in Texas and I was a friend of John Tower the first Republican elected to a national office from Texas since reconstruction, so as much as I hate to say it, I have to agree with your assessment of his presidency. LBJ had a knowledge of Washington politics and a talent for political horse trading that was second to none. The Kennedy's got the adulation and glory, but it was LBJ who got the really tough legislation through congress. However in today's Washington it is doubtful he could get a congressional pay raise through congress.

I was present when Bob Schiefer announced his retirement from Face The Nation. During that very interesting evening he made a comment that gave everyone in the room a long pause for thought when he said, "Washington is broken and I don't know if it can be fixed." A sobering thought coming from one of the smartest and most thoughtful journalists alive today.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 02:09 PM

Breaking news: The Washington Redskins are changing their name. They are eliminating "Washington" because they feel that it sets a bad example for young fans. blush
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 02:12 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Breaking news: The Washington Redskins are changing their name. They are eliminating "Washington" because they feel that it sets a bad example for young fans. blush

laugh
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 02:36 PM

Hillary Clinton Versus Donald Trump. Who will win?
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 02:38 PM

Breaking news: The Seattle Seahawks thought about changing their name to the Washington Seahawks, but the team did not want to be connected with all that sleeziness in the nation's capitol. Then again, Frank Underwood has been trying to get things done, even though his methods are, to say the least, questionable.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/16 04:23 PM

What it all boils down to is: Where is Gort when we really need him? frown
_ _ _ _ _

If you're missing the allusion, check out “The Day the Earth Stood Still” (1951).
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/10/16 02:22 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: grelber
There hasn't been a decent and/or competent administration since WWII with the possible exception of Ike's (and that from one who once upon a time staunchly believed in and supported Camelot)….

I believe there are a few historians who would disagree and point to LBJ as one of the most productive U.S. Presidents. And, granting that LBJ had twice as much time in office, he accomplished a lot more than JFK.

While some may hold that LBJ served well on some fronts — his bid for the "Great Society" — one shouldn't forget that he escalated the Vietnam war, and the draft was expanded dramatically under his administration, putting many family men and other unfortunates in harm's way in arguably the most detested and unethical war in the country's history.
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/10/16 05:20 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
While some may hold that LBJ served well on some fronts — his bid for the "Great Society" — one shouldn't forget that he escalated the Vietnam war, and the draft was expanded dramatically under his administration, putting many family men and other unfortunates in harm's way in arguably the most detested and unethical war in the country's history.

Deteriorated into a matter of how many people could be killed instead of how much North Vietnam could be held back from invading South Vietnam. It may have been the first war fought for number of kills alone. (Just saw a documentary.) Actually, where slang for getting killed became 'wasted,' just a big waste of young lives. LBJ gets no pass for that one.

Tore the fabric of society apart in the 60's, John Lennon became a threat to the US government simply with the chant "All we are saying is give peace a chance."

First war the US 'lost' and I believe the longest one up until then.

Now this is tin foil hat time, but this explanation I heard for the Irag invasion when the WTC attack was done by Saudis makes sense. After the Vietnam war, Nixon took us off the gold standard because of the tremendous war debt. The currency became backed by oil, which has always been traded in dollars. Saddam Hussein didn't care much for Bush after the first Iraq war and threatened to stop trading oil in dollars but the Saudis wouldn't because they and the Bush's went way back. It is possible that Vietnam led to Iraq many years later. Rant over.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/10/16 06:28 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
While some may hold that LBJ served well on some fronts — his bid for the "Great Society" — one shouldn't forget that he escalated the Vietnam war, and the draft was expanded dramatically under his administration, putting many family men and other unfortunates in harm's way in arguably the most detested and unethical war in the country's history.

No one will argue that there was anything positive about the Viet Nam war (the roots of which are in the Eisenhower administration) but it doesn't wipe the slate clean on the fact that LBJ did produce a lot of good legislation for America.

In addition to his "Great Society" legislation - which included laws upholding civil rights, public broadcasting, Medicare, Medicaid, environmental protection, aid to education, and the abolition of poverty, President Johnson also:

...signed the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1968 outlawing most forms of racial segregation and providing equal housing opportunities regardless of race, creed, or national origin.

...passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlawing discrimination in voting.

...signed the Elementary and Secondary Education Act and Higher Education Act to improve funding to schools, especially those in poor districts.

...created programs to tackle poverty - such as Head Start, food stamps, Work Study, Medicare, and Medicaid.

...established the National Endowment for the Humanities and the National Endowment for the Arts to support humanists and artists.

...appointed Thurgood Marshall - the first African American justice on the Supreme Court.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/10/16 06:29 AM

Yup, he did all that. Credit where it's due.

Oh yeah ... and the other LBJ and her campaign in those great societal years to "Beautify America".
I still have the button which reads: No more ugly children! Sterilize Lady Bird!!
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 12:21 AM

If the upcoming Scalia replacement debacle doesn't convince the greater electorate that the Republican party is truly trying to kill America, nothing will.
The GOP has scuttled the political process so completely over the past 8 years and seems to feel that they should paid by the tax dollar for essentially doing nothing for the good of the people.
I'm reminded of "King of Hearts" (1966 movie, starring Alan Bates) — only getting back into the asylum won't help.
Think irreparably nutsy cuckoo. tongue crazy
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 12:41 AM

If you don't think it's been a hell of a fascinating year politics-wise 'til now, just think about what it'll be like with the two upcoming shows going on at the same time. crazy

Whew!

What would you think about President Labamba nominating Trump for the post? Consider the almost limitless possibilities and implications! tongue
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 12:52 AM

Ah luvs it!
Jackals eating their young.

On the other hand, as you say, it'd resolve so many of the GOP's problems:
— It would eliminate the embarrassing front-runner for president.
— It would allow them not to close down Washington in an election year.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 04:27 AM

But if they bought into it they'd be buying a pig in a poke.

There's no telling what that bozo might do given the credibility of the black robes, although I'm sure we could count on his throwing judicial precedent out the window.

(In reality, I'd really prefer to see him as an independent presidential candidate.)
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 07:30 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Yup, he did all that. Credit where it's due.

Oh yeah ... and the other LBJ and her campaign in those great societal years to "Beautify America".
I still have the button which reads: No more ugly children! Sterilize Lady Bird!!

I have said before that as a Texan, I was never a fan of LBJ, but every spring as I drive the highways in this state to see the roadsides emblazoned with bluebonnets and indian paint brush I am grateful to Lady Bird Johnson for championing the planting of wildflowers by the state highway department. A program that cost virtually nothing and contributes to the pleasure of everyone.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 08:06 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
... every spring as I drive the highways in this state to see the roadsides emblazoned with bluebonnets and [Indian paintbrush] I am grateful to Lady Bird Johnson for championing the planting of wildflowers by the state highway department. A program that cost virtually nothing and contributes to the pleasure of everyone.

The program was indeed wizard ... although I do miss the far less intrusive Burma-Shave jingles, which also helped to keep one alert on the road.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 08:10 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
But if they bought into it they'd be buying a pig in a poke.
There's no telling what that bozo might do given the credibility of the black robes, although I'm sure we could count on his throwing judicial precedent out the window.
(In reality, I'd really prefer to see him as an independent presidential candidate.)

Just a pig; he hides not his light in a poke (or under a bushel). Even though he's not worthless (as he is wont to brag), he's still a putz.
The reality is that without a law degree and some sort of creditable tenure in the profession, he fails the test and could never seriously be nominated for the job. {sigh}
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 11:03 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Just a pig; he hides not his light in a poke (or under a bushel). Even though he's not worthless (as he is wont to brag), he's still a putz.
The reality is that without a law degree and some sort of creditable tenure in the profession, he fails the test and could never seriously be nominated for the job. {sigh}

There is no requirement, constitutional or otherwise, for a Supreme Court Justice to have a law degree or judicial experience. I don't recall who it was, but I have read that at least one well respected Supreme Court Justice had neither. But unless the Republicans win the Whitehouse or lose their Senate Majority it appears unlikely that any vacancy on the Supreme Court will be filled in at least the next five years.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 12:07 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: grelber
Just a pig; he hides not his light in a poke (or under a bushel). Even though he's not worthless (as he is wont to brag), he's still a putz.
The reality is that without a law degree and some sort of creditable tenure in the profession, he fails the test and could never seriously be nominated for the job. {sigh}

There is no requirement, constitutional or otherwise, for a Supreme Court Justice to have a law degree or judicial experience. I don't recall who it was, but I have read that at least one well respected Supreme Court Justice had neither. But unless the Republicans win the Whitehouse or lose their Senate Majority it appears unlikely that any vacancy on the Supreme Court will be filled in at least the next five years.


Five years? I bet Donald Trump will get it through faster than that!
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 12:17 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: grelber
While some may hold that LBJ served well on some fronts — his bid for the "Great Society" — one shouldn't forget that he escalated the Vietnam war, and the draft was expanded dramatically under his administration, putting many family men and other unfortunates in harm's way in arguably the most detested and unethical war in the country's history.

No one will argue that there was anything positive about the Viet Nam war (the roots of which are in the Eisenhower administration) but it doesn't wipe the slate clean on the fact that LBJ did produce a lot of good legislation for America.

In addition to his "Great Society" legislation - which included laws upholding civil rights, public broadcasting, Medicare, Medicaid, environmental protection, aid to education, and the abolition of poverty, President Johnson also:

...signed the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1968 outlawing most forms of racial segregation and providing equal housing opportunities regardless of race, creed, or national origin.

...passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlawing discrimination in voting.

...signed the Elementary and Secondary Education Act and Higher Education Act to improve funding to schools, especially those in poor districts.

...created programs to tackle poverty - such as Head Start, food stamps, Work Study, Medicare, and Medicaid.

...established the National Endowment for the Humanities and the National Endowment for the Arts to support humanists and artists.

...appointed Thurgood Marshall - the first African American justice on the Supreme Court.

To quote LBJ "No memorial oration or eulogy could more eloquently honor President Kennedy's memory than passage of the Civil Rights Bill FOR WHICH HE FOUGHT SO HARD."

"The Medicare bill was lost, and he (Kennedy) went immediately on television to declare that this "most serious defeat for every American family" would be a key issue in the fall campaign."

See "JFK remarks at Amherst College October 1963" at Arts.gov, the website of the National Endowment of the Arts.

On June 11th, 1963, president John F. Kennedy issued Proclamation 3542, forcing Governor George Wallace to comply with federal court orders allowing African-American students to register for the summer session at University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa and all persons acting in concert with him to cease and desist from obstructing justice.

President Kennedy initiated the planning for the "War on Poverty" [Great Society?] in 1963 after reading an article by Michael Harrington entitled "The Other America."

On the Audubon website, "Rachael Carson and JFK, an Environmental Tag Team."

After Thurgood Marshall was Chief Counsel for the NAACP Legal Defence and Educational Fund, JFK appointed him to the United States Court on f Apoeals for the Second Circuit. Marshall remained on that court until 1965, when LBJ appointed him to Solicitor General. In 1967, Johnson nominated him to the Supreme Court saying " It was the right thing to do."

Credit where credit is due. LBJ may not have been a brilliant thinker but he did finish the work of what would have been a second term in office for JFK and that is a good thing. Escalating the war in Vietnam Nam was his own bad judgement.
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 01:01 PM

Amongst the legislation passed by Congress during the Kennedy Administration, unemployment benefits were expanded, aid was provided to cities to improve housing and transportation, funds were allocated to continue the construction of a national highway system started under Eisenhower, a water pollution control act was passed to protect the country’s rivers and streams, and an agricultural act to raise farmers’ incomes was made law.[4] A significant amount of anti-poverty legislation was passed by Congress, including increases in social security benefits and in the minimum wage, several housing bills, and aid to economically distressed areas. A few antirecession public works packages,[3] together with a number of measures designed to assist farmers,[5] were introduced. Major expansions and improvements were made in Social Security (including retirement at 62 for men), hospital construction, library services, family farm assistance and reclamation.[6] Food stamps for low-income Americans were reintroduced, food distribution to the poor was increased, and there was an expansion in school milk and school lunch distribution. The most comprehensive farm legislation since 1938 was carried out, with expansions in rural electrification, soil conservation, crop insurance, farm credit, and marketing orders. In September 1961, the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency was established as the focal point in government for the “planning, negotiation, and execution of international disarmament and arms control agreements.”[7] Altogether, the New Frontier witnessed the passage of a broad range of important social and economic reforms.[8]
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 01:38 PM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
Altogether, the New Frontier witnessed the passage of a broad range of important social and economic reforms.

How's that all workin' for ya? confused tongue
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 02:01 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb

There is no requirement, constitutional or otherwise, for a Supreme Court Justice to have a law degree or judicial experience.

There may be no official or Constitutional requirement or qualification for serving on the Supreme Court, but I venture to say that a backwoods yokel and reformed moonshiner with a first-grade education ain't gonna get the bid ... although in light of recent rulings it might be worth a shot. tongue
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 02:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Grelber
How's that all workin' for ya?

I get your point. My verbose list of accomplishments, between the War on Poverty and the New Frontier, was intended to put LBJ's record in office in perspective.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
My verbose list of accomplishments, between the War on Poverty and the New Frontier, was intended to put LBJ's record in office in perspective.

Perspective is always a good idea. I'll rely on the words of Robert Dallek, author of "Flawed Giant: Lyndon Johnson and His Times, 1961-1973".

"Johnson was not content to simply embrace JFK's proposals. He successfully took up the cudgels for the voting rights, open housing, immigration reform, environmental protections, consumer safety bills, cabinet departments of transportation and housing and urban development, cultural reforms like the National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities and the Freedom of Information Act. The War on Poverty also became part of his presidential legacy. Head Start, food stamps, elimination of urban slums, public housing, expanded social security, legal services and expanded welfare to needy citizens added up to an assault on poverty that reduced the percentage of Americans living in penury from roughly 23 percent to 12 percent. Although a number of Johnson's initiatives fell short of what he hoped they might accomplish, his domestic reforms added up to a record of liberal alterations that rivaled FDR's New Deal.

Moreover, Johnson's civil rights actions permanently transformed the South. They destroyed the long standing de jure and de facto traditions of racial segregation and opened the way to equal treatment of African Americans in every region of the country. Johnson himself believed that this was his greatest achievement. He was right. And his claim on presidential greatness here is served by the reality, which he glimpsed at the time, that his support of black equality would allow the Republican Party to eclipse his Democratic Party in his native Texas and across the rest of the South."
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/16 05:21 PM

Thanks for the explanation. His administration seemed so chaotic, the progress so scattered.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/16/16 12:05 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
"... Johnson's civil rights actions permanently transformed the South. They destroyed the long standing de jure and de facto traditions of racial segregation and opened the way to equal treatment of African Americans in every region of the country. Johnson himself believed that this was his greatest achievement. He was right. And his claim on presidential greatness here is served by the reality, which he glimpsed at the time, that his support of black equality would allow the Republican Party to eclipse his Democratic Party in his native Texas and across the rest of the South."

A wild guess but I suspect that the folk in Ferguson MO (and several other communities) might have a bone to pick with that rosy view.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/16/16 06:22 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
A wild guess but I suspect that the folk in Ferguson MO (and several other communities) might have a bone to pick with that rosy view.

Maybe. Or they might lament that things have not worked out the way previous presidents intended.

President Johnson did open the way to equal treatment of African Americans in the United States. That is a fact and it remains a part of his legacy, which does not change because of current events.

If we can revise history based on current events, then I assume we'd have to downgrade the legacies of many presidents back to and before President Lincoln.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/23/16 07:26 AM

When you think about it and examine history, it seems as though it's exclusively the far right cuckoos who engage in political assassination. That may be about to change.
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/23/16 09:43 AM


Quote:
When you think about it and examine history, it seems as though it's exclusively the far right cuckoos who engage in political assassination.

I suppose it depends upon whether you think extreme right and extreme left lie at opposite ends of a line or at adjacent points on a circle. William McKinley, for example, was assassinated by an anarchist who aspired to pal around with Emma Goldman.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/23/16 10:11 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: ryck
"... Johnson's civil rights actions permanently transformed the South. They destroyed the long standing de jure and de facto traditions of racial segregation and opened the way to equal treatment of African Americans in every region of the country. Johnson himself believed that this was his greatest achievement. He was right. And his claim on presidential greatness here is served by the reality, which he glimpsed at the time, that his support of black equality would allow the Republican Party to eclipse his Democratic Party in his native Texas and across the rest of the South."

A wild guess but I suspect that the folk in Ferguson MO (and several other communities) might have a bone to pick with that rosy view.

There is no question that racism still exists. But racism is not exclusively a Southern phenomena, and pockets of virulent racism can be found almost anywhere in this country and in every county in the world. There used to be a truism that in the South people hated the race but loved the individual while in the North they loved the race but hated the individual. While serving in the military during the Vietnam conflict I ran into that often enough that I believed it to be true. I could tell several personal stories that would attest to that. Suffice it to say that in my experience the Southerners got along pretty well with one another, but the most blatant racism showed up among those from the North.

Living in Texas I can attest to the dramatic changes in race relations that have taken place since LBJ's presidency. Race relations are not perfect, but from where I sit, the nexus of conflict is most often cultural and economic and only coincidentally racial. Before LBJ become president Texas schools where separate but equal{/i] (more accurately [i]separate but and UNequal. Today they are fully integrated (and too often woefully underfunded but that is another subject). Before LBJ housing was racial segregated but now that segregation is very much economic. When i saw an older white security guard drinking coffee and chatting companionably with the young black woman manager of a Mississippi motel I knew the worm had turned. I live in a very heterogeneous area of Fort Worth and there are occasional hurt feelings and ill will, but most of those bumps are cultural and/or economic in nature, although it would be easy for a lazy headline writer to characterize them as racial.

It is part of the human condition those who perceive they have something to lose (the illusion of power and/or control) fear and resist change. That does not excuse the actions/reactions of the Ferguson, MO officials and police (or some of the wing nuts in the Texas legislature). Culture may be the most difficult change to make and some will never be able to do it. But, no one lives forever, and if you look closely at the racists in this country, their average age is increasing much faster than that of the general population. So hopefully racism will eventually die out or at least tamped down to a level society can tolerate. That kind of cultural change is measured not in years but generations.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/23/16 10:17 AM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
I suppose it depends upon whether you think extreme right and extreme left lie at opposite ends of a line or at adjacent points on a circle. William McKinley, for example, was assassinated by an anarchist who aspired to pal around with Emma Goldman.

True. Anarchists lie beyond the pale of generalization.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/23/16 10:28 AM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
I suppose it depends upon whether you think extreme right and extreme left lie at opposite ends of a line or at adjacent points on a circle.

Honest, cross my heart and spit in a circle, I am not trying to make a pun but….that is a great point.
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/23/16 02:31 PM


"We always did feel the same. We just saw it from a different point of view."

—Bob Dylan, Tangled Up in Blue
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/24/16 12:27 AM

Tromp win
crazy

America
-30-
frown
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/24/16 01:37 AM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh

"We always did feel the same. We just saw it from a different point of view."

—Bob Dylan, Tangled Up in Blue

"You've got a point there." (Yelled out by someone in the crowd when Oblio and Arrow return from the Pointless Forest.)

Harry Nilsson, The Point
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/24/16 04:33 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Tromp win crazy

Tromp, excuse me? frown The real Tromp might have called Trump a 'blaaskaak'*, and could make it stick! shocked

*) = blowhard
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/24/16 05:10 PM

Or is grelber punning on trompe-l'œil?

Originally Posted By: Wikipedia
Trompe-l'œil (French for "deceive the eye", pronounced [tʁɔ̃p lœj]) is an art technique that uses realistic imagery to create the optical illusion that the depicted objects exist in three dimensions.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/25/16 12:26 AM

Sure. Why not. smirk
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/29/16 08:22 AM

If Trump wins all states tomorrow, then it is definite that it will be a race between Hillary and The Donald. Who do you want?

And, I just saw this on yahoo.com:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/0...ck-anyway.They/

First Christie, and now Cruz and Kasich (although not as definitive as Cruz).
Posted by: tacit

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/29/16 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
If Trump wins all states tomorrow, then it is definite that it will be a race between Hillary and The Donald. Who do you want?


I personally prefer Hillary to Donald, Sanders to Donald, Chairman Mao to Donald, Mickey Mouse to Donald, or an old and slightly moldy rutabaga to Donald.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/29/16 03:23 PM

Originally Posted By: tacit
Originally Posted By: honestone
If Trump wins all states tomorrow, then it is definite that it will be a race between Hillary and The Donald. Who do you want?


I personally prefer Hillary to Donald, Sanders to Donald, Chairman Mao to Donald, Mickey Mouse to Donald, or an old and slightly moldy rutabaga to Donald.


But at least Donald tells it like it is! Unfortunately, it will most likely be Hillary, which means we'll have 4 more years of Obama crap.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/29/16 03:44 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
But at least Donald tells it like it is! Unfortunately, it will most likely be Hillary, which means we'll have 4 more years of Obama crap.

Telling it like it is gets you crap like David Duke, Al Sharpton and their yucky ilk. mad

Yep. Gotta bring back the good ole days of Jim Crow and your grandma swinging from a cottonwood tree (grâce à Chris Rock and Lady Day [Strange Fruit]). tongue

America's best bet is to return to the days of the Roman Colosseum and settle issues by gladiatorial combat. crazy
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/29/16 03:52 PM

Quote:
America's best bet is to return to the days of the Roman Colosseum and settle issues by gladiatorial combat.
Didn't that just happen in the Republican debates? wink
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/29/16 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Didn't that just happen in the Republican debates? wink

Not even close. It's important to see heads and limbs rolling around the arena. Take a page from Daesh or other killing fields in recent history.

[Moi, I'm going to my blissful place in Vanilla Sky ~ Abre los ojos. smirk
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 05:04 AM

wel it looks like Trump and Clinton steamrolled SuperTuesday.... what amazes me is I haven't heard anyone drop out yet. Makes me wonder just how many people we're going to have on the presidential ballot this year? And what percentage of the popular vote the winner will get? There's a very good chance this year of the president being elected with the lowest ever percentage of the popular vote.

What we need, but will probably never get:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

Sadly this is unlikely to be applied here simply because too much of the population is too dumb to understand why this would work better.
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 06:16 AM

Do other countries that have many parties use alternative voting?
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 06:58 AM


Quote:
...what amazes me is I haven't heard anyone drop out yet.

You mean aside from Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, George Pataki, Carly Fiorina, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, and Martin O'Malley?

Oops! And Jim Webb.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 07:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
What we need, but will probably never get:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

Originally Posted By: slolerner
Do other countries that have many parties use alternative voting?

In Canada, we're on the way to throwing out First Past the Post ballots. This, from the election platform of our newly elected federal government:

"We will make every vote count.

We are committed to ensuring that 2015 will be the last federal election conducted under the first-past-the-post voting system.

We will convene an all-party Parliamentary committee to review a wide variety of reforms, such as ranked ballots, proportional representation, mandatory voting, and online voting.

This committee will deliver its recommendations to Parliament. Within 18 months of forming government, we will introduce legislation to enact electoral reform."

Yay.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 07:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
….it looks like Trump and Clinton steamrolled SuperTuesday...

Coming up on the other side of things I've said in this thread, I was trying to think if it was possible to have any silver lining in a Trump election victory.

I wonder if it's possible that a candidate, who states a commitment for change from the status quo, could get the Republican Party disconnected from the clutches of the Koch brothers. That would be good for both the Republicans and America.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 08:30 AM

it's too bad inline images don't work... it's worth your click

http://blacksheepzart.com/resources/vote%20cthulhu.jpg
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 08:31 AM

Face it! America is well on its way to becoming a pariah state.
It augurs well for foreign incarnations of Disney World and Disneyland.
Who gives a flying fig* for the good ol' US of A (other than members of FTM)?! After the next election let 'em stew in their own fecal juices.
[* Look up the figurative/derogatory sense of "fig" in virtually every other language than English (eg, фигл смаслом).]
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 09:16 AM

Well, it looks like both Cruz and Rubio will stay in a little while longer. Rubio got his first victory in Minnesota, and the Florida primary election is 13 days away, Tuesday, March 15th. Here's the actual schedule:

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/

Cruz won Texas and Oklahoma, but that was expected. But, I still expect to see Trump getting more wins (there are a number of other ones on March 13th).
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 09:23 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Who gives a flying fig* for the good ol' US of A (other than members of FTM)?!

Really? To start…off the top of my head I'd suggest the 10's of 1,000s of Canadians whose livelihoods rely on the nearly $700 billion dollars in trade we do with Americans.

And, when it comes to neighbours, I'm sure many Canadians would rather have the U.S. than Russia, Saudi Arabia or any number of less than desirable countries next door. We have a long and envied history of peaceful coexistence that, in my mind, is worth a lot.
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 09:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
wel it looks like Trump and Clinton steamrolled SuperTuesday.... what amazes me is I haven't heard anyone drop out yet. Makes me wonder just how many people we're going to have on the presidential ballot this year? And what percentage of the popular vote the winner will get? There's a very good chance this year of the president being elected with the lowest ever percentage of the popular vote.


Remember that each major party will have only one nominee, regardless of how many live through the primaries.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 10:03 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: grelber
Who gives a flying fig* for the good ol' US of A (other than members of FTM)?!

Really? To start… off the top of my head I'd suggest the 10's of 1,000s of Canadians whose livelihoods rely on the nearly $700 billion dollars in trade we do with Americans.

Makes me no nevermind. When the TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) comes into effect, even more will be employed.

Quote:
And, when it comes to neighbours, I'm sure many Canadians would rather have the U.S. than Russia, Saudi Arabia or any number of less than desirable countries next door. We have a long and envied history of peaceful coexistence that, in my mind, is worth a lot.

That's pretty much irrelevant since one can't change physical neighbors. As the Germans say: Quatsch! "Peaceful coexistence" is a convenient fiction which only exists because the "800-pound gorilla in the room" deems it acceptable for the moment. The days of Laura Secord are long since gone. Just remember what happened with the Avro Arrow and national pride.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 11:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Ira L
Originally Posted By: Virtual1
wel it looks like Trump and Clinton steamrolled SuperTuesday.... what amazes me is I haven't heard anyone drop out yet. Makes me wonder just how many people we're going to have on the presidential ballot this year? And what percentage of the popular vote the winner will get? There's a very good chance this year of the president being elected with the lowest ever percentage of the popular vote.


Remember that each major party will have only one nominee, regardless of how many live through the primaries.


Yes, that is valid. And, at this point, it is looking more and more like the nominees will be Donald Trump for the Republican Party, and Hillary Clinton for the Democratic Party.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 11:31 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
"Peaceful coexistence" is a convenient fiction which only exists because the "800-pound gorilla in the room" deems it acceptable for the moment.

200 years of neighbourly conduct and the longest undefended border in the world is neither fictional nor momentary.

Originally Posted By: grelber
Just remember what happened with the Avro Arrow and national pride.

I have no idea what that means, relative to our relationship with the U.S. The demise of the Avro Arrow is directly attributable to the actions of a petulant Conservative Prime Minister.

And, national pride? I don't understand what that has to do with having the U.S. as a neighbour. I'm sure there are some who are not proud to be Canadian (for whatever reason) but I am more sure that the naysayers are vastly outnumbered by those who believe in Canada.
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 11:39 AM

How do I unsubscribe from this string? My mailbox is filling up too fast!!!
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 12:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: grelber
"Peaceful coexistence" is a convenient fiction which only exists because the "800-pound gorilla in the room" deems it acceptable for the moment.

200 years of neighbourly conduct and the longest undefended border in the world is neither fictional nor momentary.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Most recently (and for years) COOL (country of origin labeling), which cost the Canadian economy billions of dollars. It took years of fighting for the WTO tribunals to finally succeed in vindicating Canada (and still the USA tried to carry on regardless, giving in only when the prospect of economic sanctions/retaliation loomed large with the blessing of the WTO).

Originally Posted By: grelber
Just remember what happened with the Avro Arrow and national pride.

I have no idea what that means, relative to our relationship with the U.S. The demise of the Avro Arrow is directly attributable to the actions of a petulant Conservative Prime Minister.
And, national pride? I don't understand what that has to do with having the U.S. as a neighbour. I'm sure there are some who are not proud to be Canadian (for whatever reason) but I am more sure that the naysayers are vastly outnumbered by those who believe in Canada.

Patent nonsense and/or revisionist history.
JFK bullied Diefenbaker — and I've never forgiven The Chief for kowtowing — into burying the Avro Arrow in exchange for "protection" by American ICBMs. The Arrow was the most advanced jet fighter/interceptor of the day — and the Americans didn't like the competition at all. Think military-industrial complex. The written record is extremely clear on this.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 12:11 PM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
How do I unsubscribe from this string? My mailbox is filling up too fast!!!


Solicitations from The Donald, Hillary, or both?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
JFK bullied Diefenbaker — and I've never forgiven The Chief for kowtowing — into burying the Avro Arrow in exchange for "protection" by American ICBMs.

To use your words: Patent nonsense and/or revisionist history.

The Avro Arrow program was cancelled in February 1959, two years before JFK became President.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: grelber
JFK bullied Diefenbaker — and I've never forgiven The Chief for kowtowing — into burying the Avro Arrow in exchange for "protection" by American ICBMs.

To use your words: Patent nonsense and/or revisionist history.

The Avro Arrow program was cancelled in February 1959, two years before JFK became President.

You're absolutely right! blush blush blush I may be conflating/confusing that with the Cuban missile crisis of 1962.
(My only possible excuse is that the whole political moose-mess south of the border really throws me for a loop and fratzes my neurons.

That particular blame can be laid properly on Ike's doorstep — Ike, of course, being coiner and doom-crier vis-à-vis "the military-industrial complex".
JFK and Dief had one of the more guarded "friendly" state relationships in modern history (ie, they despised each other).

EDIT — Here's a quote that might be a good choice for candidates in the current US fracas:
"I don't campaign. I just visit with the people."
— John G. Diefenbaker (during a 1965 campaign picnic)

EDIT — Interesting side note: there's an exhibit at the Diefenbaker Canada Centre (at the University of Saskatchewan) which has a 1960's telephone which when the receiver is lifted plays a 'cordial' call between Kennedy and Diefenbaker at the inauguration ceremony for the Canada-Alaska Microwave System in 1961.


By the bye, Cape Breton's latest advertising campaign to lure settlers from south of the border is getting extensive news media coverage lately. 'Tis a lovely place.

All that said, I think it's time for a long warm bath with maybe a little aroma therapy. smirk
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Originally Posted By: slolerner
How do I unsubscribe from this string? My mailbox is filling up too fast!!!


Solicitations from The Donald, Hillary, or both?

I knew after 'Super Tuesday the FTM new posts would be fast and furious.
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
it's too bad inline images don't work... it's worth your click

http://blacksheepzart.com/resources/vote%20cthulhu.jpg

I've already decided to vote for this well-qualified candidate and I refuse to be sweet-talked out of my decision by some sleezy pol.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 04:38 PM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh

Quote:
...what amazes me is I haven't heard anyone drop out yet.

You mean aside from Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, George Pataki, Carly Fiorina, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, and Martin O'Malley?

Oops! And Jim Webb.

Technical question….everyone who dropped out so far did so without having won any support. If Rubio drops out, what happens to his 116 delegates?
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/02/16 04:46 PM


They're pledged to him for the first ballot at the convention. Should a second ballot be necessary, expect all hell to break loose. (I wonder if Trump's troopers will be clubbing lame-duck delegates into submission with folding chairs?)

BTW, Paul, Huckabee, and Fiorina have 1 delegate each, and Jeb Bush has 4. The latter raised over $100 million for his campaign. Twenty-five million dollars per delegate! Good thing he's not going to be setting fiscal policy.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/03/16 08:09 AM

Thanks for that.

Interesting TV this morning, watching the Republican party roll out Mitt Romney with a major volley to disrupt the Trump momentum. The party's old guard is clearly very frightened….even pushing the guy, who a while ago they all professed disdain for, Ted Cruz.

It may come down to a choice between tents - the Circus tent or the Revivalist Meeting tent. Meanwhile, Hillary smiles.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/03/16 09:16 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
It may come down to a choice between tents - the Circus tent or the Revivalist Meeting tent. Meanwhile, Hillary smiles.

It is not how many voters does a candidate appeal to, rather how many voters has the candidate NOT offended.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/03/16 09:24 AM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
Originally Posted By: Virtual1
it's too bad inline images don't work... it's worth your click

http://blacksheepzart.com/resources/vote%20cthulhu.jpg

I've already decided to vote for this well-qualified candidate and I refuse to be sweet-talked out of my decision by some sleezy pol.


Here's the guy we need:

http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Saul-Goodman-in-his-office.jpg

Yeah, Saul Goodman for President!
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/03/16 11:52 AM

S'aul Good, man.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/03/16 11:54 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
It is not how many voters does a candidate appeal to, rather how many voters has the candidate NOT offended.

Except......Trump has had disparaging remarks for pretty much everyone, and he's out front.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/03/16 01:01 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Yeah, Saul Goodman for President!

And a great campaign slogan/banner: Better Call Saul!
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/03/16 02:28 PM

We, The People of Fine Tuned Mac, Hereby Nominate Saul Goodman (aka Slippin' Jimmy) for President of the United States of America.

"Hi, I'm Saul Goodman. Did you know that you have rights? The constitution says you do! And so do I."
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/03/16 09:52 PM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
We, The People of Fine Tuned Mac, Hereby Nominate Saul Goodman (aka Slippin' Jimmy) for President of the United States of America.

"Hi, I'm Saul Goodman. Did you know that you have rights? The constitution says you do! And so do I."


Since Bob Odenkirk was also the sheriff in Season 1 of "Fargo" (the best series ever!), I'm positive he wants Billy Bob Thornton (aka, Lorne Malvo) as his running mate:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/farg...=20140226220226

Some campaign slogans they can use are:

"You've grown up believing there are rules. There aren't. We used to be gorillas. All we had is what we could take and defend"

"Some roads you shouldn't go down. Because maps used to say there be dragons here, but now they don't.. But that don't mean the dragons aren't there"
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/04/16 06:18 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
It is not how many voters does a candidate appeal to, rather how many voters has the candidate NOT offended.

I watched a TV blurb this morning from a rally that Trump held following the debates last night. It seems clear to me that, if nothing else, this guy knows about picking buttons and how to push them.

He referred to the fact that Carrier is moving their production to Mexico which will put 1,400 Americans out of work. His response essentially (I can't quote exactly) was that, as President, he would call the CEO of Carrier to say he hopes that Carrier enjoys their new plant in Mexico. However, every air conditioner they send into the U.S. will be met with a 35% tax.

For any American who has had their job shipped to another country, that is an appealing big button. Further, the idea is black and white, none of the grayish nuance that seasoned politicians prefer.

It seems to me that Trump (and I'd add, Bernie Sanders) have tapped into something percolating in the American electorate - the same old, same old has to go. Meanwhile the political elite has yet to wake up.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/04/16 06:28 AM

Of course, he neglected to say that, even as President, he doesn't have the power to levy that tax. He seems to think that he can govern by bluff and intimidation. The Constitution doesn't work that way, but how many voters understand that?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/04/16 07:04 AM

You're absolutely tight….and I'm quite sure Trump knows he wouldn't have the power but he also knows the answer to your question, "…how many voters understand that?" Not a lot.

Interestingly, the CNN item was followed by an interview with a union leader expressing concerns about lack of understanding.

This race has changed from seeking the best presidential candidate to finding someone who can beat Trump and, with the exception of John Kasich, the remaining alternatives are IMHO also pretty scary.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/04/16 07:38 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
You're absolutely tight ... and I'm quite sure Trump knows he wouldn't have the power but he also knows the answer to your question, "... how many voters understand that?" Not a lot.

1. I'd be drinking a lot too if I lived down there.
2. You give credit to Tromp [sic] for a mentality above that of a cricket. (Sorry, crickets.) I suspect he's never read and/or understood the Constitution.
3. Apparently most of the voters are morons (current company excepted), given the outcomes of the caucuses and primaries.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/04/16 09:19 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
You give credit to Tromp [sic] for a mentality above that of a cricket. (Sorry, crickets.) I suspect he's never read and/or understood the Constitution.

“There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.” Lao Tzu

"He who exercises no forethought but makes light of his opponents is sure to be captured by them." Sun Tzu

Originally Posted By: grelber
Apparently most of the voters are morons (current company excepted), given the outcomes of the caucuses and primaries.

I don't think that Canadians get to point fingers...after all, we kept Stephen Harper in as Prime Minister from 2006 to 2015.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/04/16 12:04 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Of course, he neglected to say that, even as President, he doesn't have the power to levy that tax. He seems to think that he can govern by bluff and intimidation. The Constitution doesn't work that way, but how many voters understand that?

On the other hand, if he were to win and carry Congress such a tax would be a legislative possibility.

I think an awful lot of people would find the idea of penalizing companies that move jobs out of America to be an appealing idea.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/04/16 12:08 PM

Plain and simple, Trump says it like it needs to be said. Just about all his ideas are what the vast majority of us want. And, at least he is direct in saying that he needs to get around all the political BS.

It is unfortunate, though, that he'll most likely have a Congress (even if it's dominated by Republicans) who will still be mired in politics, and thus limit and/or stop some (or maybe all) the things he'd like to get done.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/16 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Plain and simple, Trump says it like it needs to be said. Just about all his ideas are what the vast majority of us want. And, at least he is direct in saying that he needs to get around all the political BS.

Pure and simple, the man is a nutbar with a flair for pandering to mindless fanatics who can barely manage to keep their various sphincters functioning.
Purer and simpler, you get what you pay/pray/play for.

On this side of the border opinion has it that: President Trump? Pass the smelling salts.

And this New York Times op-ed piece pretty much says it all: Donald Trump, the Great Betrayer.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/16 01:24 AM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Plain and simple, Trump says it like it needs to be said. Just about all his ideas are what the vast majority of us want. And, at least he is direct in saying that he needs to get around all the political BS.

Define "us".
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/16 11:08 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: honestone
Plain and simple, Trump says it like it needs to be said. Just about all his ideas are what the vast majority of us want. And, at least he is direct in saying that he needs to get around all the political BS.

Define "us".


So many folks in the US are frustrated and fed up with all the political BS that goes on in DC. And, the "us" is represented by just about all those folks who are voting for him the primaries.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/16 11:24 AM

Could it be?! Er ist wieder da / Look who's back

"[He] today is taken seriously among all classes of [Americans]. He is feared by some, enthusiastically hailed as a prophet and political economic savior by others, and watched with increasing sympathetic interest by the bulk who, apparently, are merely biding the psychological moment to mount [his] bandwagon. ... Another condition favorable to the outburst of the movement is the widespread discontent with the existing state of affairs among all classes in the towns and cities under the increasing economic pressure."

"A sophisticated politician credited [him] with peculiar political cleverness ..., saying: 'You can't expect the masses to understand or appreciate your finer real aims. You must feed the masses with cruder morsels and ideas .... It would be politically all wrong to tell them the truth about where you really are leading them.' "

To see history repeating itself, check out:
New Popular Idol Rises in Bavaria (The New York Times, November 21, 1922).
Posted by: MacManiac

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/16 11:42 AM

....nah, The Donald isn't vocally anti-semitic in his rants....
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/16 11:51 AM

Originally Posted By: MacManiac
....nah, The Donald isn't vocally anti-semitic in his rants....

That's why I scratched that from the quoted passages.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/16 01:20 PM

Originally Posted By: MacManiac
....nah, The Donald isn't vocally anti-semitic in his rants....

Regardless, though, he is the most Hitler-esque individual to ever run for any high American political office of whom I'm aware. (Didn't he prophesy [sic] just a a day or two ago that "They'll follow orders!"?)
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/16 01:26 PM

Seems to me at least that somehow the Bill of Rights has become the only part of the Constitution that most people think is important. I'm not sure that many besides political junkies really understand the whole balance of power thing. It's the same people who think the First Amendment means you can say anything they want to that think a President can do anything he wants to.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/16 02:54 PM

I suspect that his "commands" will subside if he wins. He'll see that such actions will not work in DC. But, again, as grelber posted above:

"Another condition favorable to the outburst of the movement is the widespread discontent with the existing state of affairs among all classes in the towns and cities under the increasing economic pressure."

Yup, that is at the "grass roots" level, although similar frustrations are at higher levels, too.

To his credit, he has raised some issues that were not even being discussed, specifically the Immigration and Trade Imbalance issues. No one can dispute his proposal to build a high wall (I heard 50 feet high) along the4 US-Mexican border, but I'm not sure how he's going to get Mexico to pay for it. And his remarks about the trade imbalance with China and Mexico are also accurate, and although his proposals seem "rough", that could be what it takes.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/16 03:11 PM

Quote:
No one can dispute his proposal to build a high wall (I heard 50 feet high) along the4 US-Mexican border, but I'm not sure how he's going to get Mexico to pay for it.

Particularly not after Mexico's president has disdained talking to him...likening him to Hitler. (I've heard that he intends to build it using Middle-Easterners as slave labor. wink )

Edit: "No one can dispute...." is a pretty broad statement; documentation would be in order.

Edit 2: Eleven Reasons Why Donald Trump Is Not Adolf Hitler

Edit 3: Anxiety Over Trump Presidency
Posted by: tacit

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/16 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Plain and simple, Trump says it like it needs to be said. Just about all his ideas are what the vast majority of us want. And, at least he is direct in saying that he needs to get around all the political BS.


Well, let's take a look at that. Trump has said:

- The country is in decline because of foreign countries, and we need to be willing to go to war with those foreign countries to make this country great again.

- A lot of the problems this country faces are because of a religious minority. We need to force members of that religion to register with the government. We need to keep members of that religion out of the country. The government should have the power to shut down the places where those people worship.

- The press should not be free to criticize the leader of the country. Newspapers that criticize the leader should be punished.

- The government should be free to use torture on its enemies.

I can recall another politician who said those exact same things. Is this what you refer to as "saying it like it needs to be said"? It seems to me that it didn't end so well for the last politician to promote these ideas.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 06:40 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Quote:
No one can dispute his proposal to build a high wall (I heard 50 feet high) along the4 US-Mexican border, but I'm not sure how he's going to get Mexico to pay for it.

Particularly not after Mexico's president has disdained talking to him...likening him to Hitler. (I've heard that he intends to build it using Middle-Easterners as slave labor. wink )

Edit: "No one can dispute...." is a pretty broad statement; documentation would be in order.

Edit 2: Eleven Reasons Why Donald Trump Is Not Adolf Hitler

Edit 3: Anxiety Over Trump Presidency


Don't care about what the Mexican president said. If Trump can get him to pay for the wall, all the better.

And, here is excitement about Trump's candidacy:

https://www.google.com/search?q=anxiety%...rump+presidency

Also, just yesterday, he won 2 more states.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 07:00 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Purer and simpler, you get what you pay/pray/play for.

I don't know about "play" but, on the "pay" and "pray" fronts, but my guess is that the next two weeks are going to see a barrage of ruthless anti-Trump attack ads sponsored by the sectarian right and by funding covered in Koch brother fingerprints.

The intention of the ads will be to push Cruz to the front, a prospect I find be just as scary as Trump....maybe even scarier.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 07:02 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: ryck
[quote=grelber]"Peaceful coexistence" is a convenient fiction which only exists because the "800-pound gorilla in the room" deems it acceptable for the moment.

200 years of neighbourly conduct and the longest undefended border in the world is neither fictional nor momentary.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Most recently (and for years) COOL (country of origin labeling), which cost the Canadian economy billions of dollars. It took years of fighting for the WTO tribunals to finally succeed in vindicating Canada (and still the USA tried to carry on regardless, giving in only when the prospect of economic sanctions/retaliation loomed large with the blessing of the WTO).

I forgot about one of the longest standing and most acrimonious quarrels between Canada and the US, namely the softwood lumber dispute (economic value in the billions of dollars annually), which has been writhing around in the foreground and/or smoldering in the background for over 3 decades (ie, since the time of Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau — yes, Justin's father — and President Ronald Reagan).

It is bound to be raised at the state dinner for Justin Trudeau at the White House later this week. A slightly dated discussion may be found in Canada's softwood lumber rematch with US awaits Trudeau. You may also check this out in Wikipedia under Canada–United States softwood lumber dispute or just Google it.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 08:29 AM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Also, just yesterday, he won 2 more states.

Originally Posted By: Google
Mar 5
Kansas · 40 delegates
Cruz won and has 24 delegates, Trump has 9, Rubio has 6, Kasich has 1
Kentucky · 46 delegates
Trump won and has 17 delegates, Cruz has 15, Rubio has 7, Kasich has 7
Louisiana · 46 delegates
100% reporting · Trump won and has 18 delegates, Cruz has 18, Rubio has 5
Maine · 23 delegates
Cruz won and has 12 delegates, Trump has 9, Kasich has 2

Hmmm... Cruz 69 delegates + >50% in each of the states he won, Trump 53 delegates, but only 35 of 92 in the states he won in.

You need to re-examine your understanding of the word "win".

(And your "excitement" is pretty much all dated.)
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 08:46 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
...my guess is that the next two weeks are going to see a barrage of ruthless anti-Trump attack ads sponsored by the sectarian right and by funding covered in Koch brother fingerprints.

The intention of the ads will be to push Cruz to the front, a prospect I find be just as scary as Trump....maybe even scarier.

I think the priority at the moment, with which I agree, is ensuring that Trump doesn't win the candidacy before the convention.

The Koch Brothers don't seem all that high on Cruz either, and what they've got in mind for the convention is anyone's guess...not to mention great bar conversation.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 09:34 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Hmmm... Cruz 69 delegates + >50% in each of the states he won, Trump 53 delegates, but only 35 of 92 in the states he won in.

I've done a bit of reading about the American system (gosh, it's convoluted) with the "Primary states", "Caucus states"….and within the Primary states, 4 different kinds. This all leads me to wonder about the 'quality' of wins vis-a-vis card-carrying Republicans.

One of the primary types is 'closed' which, as I understand it, means only Republican party members can vote. In yesterday's primaries, Trump's two wins were closed primaries. So, getting to the question, what do we deduce from the fact that Trump seems to be doing well with the Republican core?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 11:01 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I think the priority at the moment, with which I agree, is ensuring that Trump doesn't win the candidacy before the convention.

If no one has the candidacy going into the convention, does it leave the field open for an entirely new candidate? If so, that could make things really interesting.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 12:28 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
In yesterday's primaries, Trump's two wins were closed primaries. So, getting to the question, what do we deduce from the fact that Trump seems to be doing well with the Republican core?

Trump didn't really win in those states...

Originally Posted By: Google
Kentucky · 46 delegates
Trump won and has 17 delegates, Cruz has 15, Rubio has 7, Kasich has 7
Louisiana · 46 delegates
Trump won and has 18 delegates, Cruz has 18, Rubio has 5

He only tied Cruz vote-wise in LA and barely beat him in KY...apparently the result of their closed primaries.

He is apparently vulnerable in the "closed primary" states, because much of his voter base is people who have heretofore been non-voters who won't be able to just walk in and vote.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 12:29 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
If no one has the candidacy going into the convention, does it leave the field open for an entirely new candidate? If so, that could make things really interesting.

Whole new ball game, because pledged delegates are free to vote their heads after the first (failed) ballot.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 12:47 PM

All of that kerfuffle could be beside the point.
As I think has been brought up before in this forum (long ago), the manner of choosing President and Vice-President is laid out in Article II of the Constitution, some of which has been superseded by Amendment XII — to wit, the Electoral College.
There is absolutely no constraint (other than eligibility) on whom the Electoral College can choose to fill those posts, irrespective of any election process, which could be ignored if the members so desired.
As a wholly bizarre example, irrespective of whoever won the popular vote on Election Day in November, the Koch brothers could be so elected (assuming that they fulfilled all eligibility criteria).
Chew on that one for a while. tongue
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 01:18 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
All of that kerfuffle could be beside the point.

Although it has never done so, the Electoral College could, indeed, do as you say, but to date there haven't even been a whole lot of instances of individual Electors bolting, let alone an en-masse event.

Depending on who runs, though, this year's election could conceivably inspire a few Electors to bolt and possibly swing a razor thin election.

I'm not ready to think about it yet.

Edit: It didn't even happen in '00, Bush v Gore when only 3 (self?)righteous Electors could have overturned the Supreme Court's decision...but Trump could be a-whole-nother matter.

Faithless Electors
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 02:57 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: honestone
Also, just yesterday, he won 2 more states.

Originally Posted By: Google
Mar 5
Kansas · 40 delegates
Cruz won and has 24 delegates, Trump has 9, Rubio has 6, Kasich has 1
Kentucky · 46 delegates
Trump won and has 17 delegates, Cruz has 15, Rubio has 7, Kasich has 7
Louisiana · 46 delegates
100% reporting · Trump won and has 18 delegates, Cruz has 18, Rubio has 5
Maine · 23 delegates
Cruz won and has 12 delegates, Trump has 9, Kasich has 2

Hmmm... Cruz 69 delegates + >50% in each of the states he won, Trump 53 delegates, but only 35 of 92 in the states he won in.

You need to re-examine your understanding of the word "win".

(And your "excitement" is pretty much all dated.)


First, my "excitement" is not dated. But, your non-excitement is pre-historic!

Second, here is the up to the minute, non-dated Republican delegate count:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_delegate_count.html

Trump leads Cruz by 84 delegates so far. I do agree, though, that Trump has recently been more vulnerable. We'll see as the campaign moves along.

In actuality, Kasich seems to be the most experienced and mature candidate. He has experience in balancing the budget in DC, was very, very effective as Governor of Ohio, and has not stooped to name calling any of the other candidates. Unfortunately, folks are not voting for him much.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
I think the priority at the moment, with which I agree, is ensuring that Trump doesn't win the candidacy before the convention.

If no one has the candidacy going into the convention, does it leave the field open for an entirely new candidate? If so, that could make things really interesting.


Excellent question, and a real possibility. Even if Rubio wins Florida, it still looks like a 2 man race, Trump and Cruz.

Interestingly, even if Trump (or any candidate) "secures" the necessary 1,237 delegates before the convention starts, it seems there are ways the first ballot could become "aborted":

http://lawnewz.com/important/how-the-gop...y-of-delegates/

If something like that were to happen, I think the Republican Party will then be devastated, as all those Trump supporters would be definitely pissed, and thus a vast majority of them would not vote for the eventual Republican nominee. In fact, such a process basically is selecting a "minority" candidate. I also suspect that if such back door sleazyness occurs, Trump will definitely feel disrespected (and rightly so), and would 1) run as an independent, and 2( of course not support that "minority" candidate.

In instead he does not have the necessary 1,237 delegates by the time the convention begins, then it could be a "rat" race as to who gets nominated. The logical choice would be Kasich (based on what I said above in my prior post), but given he has not secured many delegates (and I suspect, not many more by the time the convention begins), it is doubtful that he would be the nominee.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 03:18 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
First, my "excitement" is not dated.

Did you look at the dates of the articles listed in your linked Google page?

Originally Posted By: honestone
But, your non-excitement is pre-historic!

Now what in the hell does that mean? It's not even cute!
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 03:38 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: honestone
But, your non-excitement is pre-historic

Now what in the hell does that mean? It's not even cute!


It's the truth, whether you can figure it out or not!

And, your delegate "links"/counts were incomplete. My link above, to the actual delegate count, is definitely not dated. Your "links" are partial stats.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 03:45 PM

This article is a good explanation of what could happen at a "fractured" Republican convention (also mentions things I said above):

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0306-mcmanus-gop-crackup-romney-20160306-column.html

And, another good take on this:

http://observer.com/2016/03/the-dubious-prospects-of-the-stop-trump-movement/
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: honestone
But, your non-excitement is pre-historic

Now what in the hell does that mean? It's not even cute!


It's the truth, whether you can figure it out or not!

As usual, you haven't disappointed me. tongue

Edit: Actually, I didn't link to anything, but the count I posted of Saturday's primaries is the same one shown in your linked doc. wink
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 07:22 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: honestone
Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: honestone
But, your non-excitement is pre-historic

Now what in the hell does that mean? It's not even cute!


It's the truth, whether you can figure it out or not!

As usual, you haven't disappointed me. tongue


I guess the truth hurts, ie, your thinking being prehistoric. Typical for you.

Originally Posted By: artie505
Edit: Actually, I didn't link to anything, but the count I posted of Saturday's primaries is the same one shown in your linked doc. wink


My post showed the entire delegate count, including what happened yesterday. Man, can't you read?
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/16 11:01 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
I guess the truth hurts, ie, your thinking being prehistoric. Typical for you.

As usual, you haven't disappointed me. tongue

Originally Posted By: honestone
My post showed the entire delegate count, including what happened yesterday.

So what? It was out of context and nothing everybody didn't already know.

I posted Saturday's results in response to your

Quote:
Also, just yesterday, he won 2 more states.

Man, can't you read?

Edit: Saving the Mods the trouble, this line of discussion is closed as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/07/16 12:12 AM

It is getting nasty.
Ad hominem arguments serve no useful purpose (other than to give those using them some sort of [dubious] relief), and the perpetrators risk exclusion from the forums (as has happened in past). At the very least the offending thread risks being closed and/or deleted.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/07/16 06:23 AM

Now, getting back to non-flammable discussion ...

Originally Posted By: artie505
Although it has never done so, the Electoral College could, indeed, do as you say, but to date there haven't even been a whole lot of instances of individual Electors bolting, let alone an en-masse event.

Lack of consideration of subverting the "democratic process" via the charter documents of the democracy might well be due to ignorance. I'd venture to say that at least 95% of Americans (and 99.99% of the rest of the world's population) have no clue about the formation of the Electoral College or its mandate and potential powers. One can only dream ....
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/07/16 12:01 PM

Quote:
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
- Douglas Adams

Though I think that may have been stolen from an earlier one by Mark twain (Samuel Clemens)

Something more along the lines of "Anyone capable of getting themselves elected president is unfit for the position" I think?
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/08/16 02:38 AM

And now, Apple joins the fray. Apple CEO Tim Cook attends secret meetin...un, report says
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/08/16 04:38 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
And now, Apple joins the fray.

….along with some other "big money" folks and a few politicians who I find pretty scary…Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Karl Rove.

It seems to me that this is a perfect example what the American electorate has been saying they want to be rid of - big money and back room deals hijacking the will of the people. Shame on Cook, Page, Musk and Parker.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/08/16 05:45 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
It seems to me that this is a perfect example what the American electorate has been saying they want to be rid of - big money and back room deals hijacking the will of the people. Shame on Cook, Page, Musk and Parker.

hee hee hee ... smile crazy (As I said [#39269], you get what you pay for.) hee hee hee
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/08/16 06:04 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
hee hee hee ... smile crazy (As I said [#39269], you get what you pay for.) hee hee hee

I fail to understand why you think this is funny. One in seven Canadian jobs rely, directly or indirectly, on our $750 billion in trade with Americans. A Trump victory will have a decidedly adverse affect on that trade.

And, as I said before, Canadians don't get to point fingers. We sat back for 10 years while PM Stephen Harper hijacked the will of the people in favour of his friends in business.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/08/16 08:20 AM

I find it funny because it's hilarious. Bumbling jackasses and jackals all. (No offense to actual jackasses and jackals, who have their own issues to deal with.)
After the way the Republicans have effed up the democratic process in Washington, they deserve exactly what they get.

Masochist to Sadist: Hit me.
Sadist to Masochist: No.

I stand by my sadomasochistic commentary. tongue
And I can point my finger wherever I please. grin
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/08/16 08:28 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
I find it funny because it's hilarious.

Originally Posted By: grelber
And I can point my finger wherever I please. grin

Of course you can but it still doesn't mean there's humour in shadenfreude.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/08/16 08:36 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
We sat back for 10 years while PM Stephen Harper hijacked the will of the people in favour of his friends in business.

I made out OK.

Originally Posted By: ryck
... it still doesn't mean there's humour in shadenfreude.

Au contraire. In fact, that's the definition of schadenfreude: "pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune."

Ah luvs it! grin
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/08/16 09:08 AM

Anyone who seriously contemplates voting for Trump should read Donald the Dangerous.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/08/16 09:48 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Anyone who seriously contemplates voting for Trump should read Donald the Dangerous.

One should also read Mein Kampf (preferably the new, annotated version) to see the familiarly incoherent ramblings of a similar malcontent.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/08/16 10:12 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: ryck
We sat back for 10 years while PM Stephen Harper hijacked the will of the people in favour of his friends in business.

I made out OK.

Thousands of seniors without proper housing, all the children living below the poverty line, and those who can't get timely healthcare, et cetera, didn't make out OK. However you did, so good for you.

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: ryck
... it still doesn't mean there's humour in shadenfreude.

Au contraire. In fact, that's the definition of schadenfreude: "pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune."

I have a reasonable facility with English and yet I don't see anything in the definition to support your contention that deriving pleasure from another person's misfortune is humourous.

Originally Posted By: grelber
Ah luvs it! grin

Of course. I wasn't expecting otherwise.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/08/16 01:23 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
I have a reasonable facility with English and yet I don't see anything in the definition to support your contention that deriving pleasure from another person's misfortune is humourous.
Originally Posted By: grelber
Ah luvs it! grin

Of course. I wasn't expecting otherwise.

Minor (I hope) misunderstanding: I was referring to the candidates and their supporters, and all the schmucks who ground the democratic process to a standstill in Washington (and by extension the entire Republican Party over the past 8 years) — as noted in Post #39337.
Let's leave it that. (I dislike flames, implicit or otherwise.)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/09/16 06:27 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
....to quote a current GOP Presidential front runner, "The New York Times is a failed anachronism and has no meaning in today's world." His words, definitely not mine.

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
Of course, a year from now, the same will likely be true of the current GOP Presidential front runner.

Originally Posted By: ryck
Or...........

Trump may be gone long before then. I don't think he ever wanted to be President, and his position in the polls is an unwanted turn of events in his real plan....which was simply to get into the race long enough to enhance his "brand".

That was back in December. This week, I have a crow and potatoes in the oven. I wonder what other vegetable I need on the side?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/10/16 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
The Koch Brothers don't seem all that high on Cruz either, and what they've got in mind for the convention is anyone's guess...

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
And now, Apple joins the fray.

Originally Posted By: ryck
It seems to me that this is a perfect example what the American electorate has been saying they want to be rid of - big money and back room deals hijacking the will of the people.


I was reminded of the above when I saw this quote today in the front of Jane Mayer's new book "Dark Money":

"We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."

Louis Brandeis
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/11/16 01:10 AM

Googling Is Believing: Trumping the Informed Citizen
The Big Media threat that worried Noam Chomsky 30 years ago has been replaced by a new one, manufactured by us.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/11/16 03:07 AM

Although present media were absent in Mark Twain's time, he did have a relevant quip: "If you do not read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read it, you are misinformed."
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/11/16 08:12 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Although present media were absent in Mark Twain's time, he did have a relevant quip: "If you do not read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read it, you are misinformed."

Samual Clemens was an accurate reporter of the human condition and new technologies and media not withstanding his observations are still all too true.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/14/16 05:10 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
....to quote a current GOP Presidential front runner, "The New York Times is a failed anachronism and has no meaning in today's world." His words, definitely not mine.

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
Of course, a year from now, the same will likely be true of the current GOP Presidential front runner.

Originally Posted By: ryck
Or...........

Trump may be gone long before then. I don't think he ever wanted to be President, and his position in the polls is an unwanted turn of events in his real plan....which was simply to get into the race long enough to enhance his "brand".

That was back in December. This week, I have a crow and potatoes in the oven. I wonder what other vegetable I need on the side?

Salt lightly with a Republican's tears
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/15/16 02:43 AM

Harking back to my earlier post* about history repeating itself ...
Originally Posted By: grelber
To see history repeating itself, check out:
New Popular Idol Rises in Bavaria (The New York Times, November 21, 1922).

After the contretemps at Trump's attempts at rallies in Chicago, Kansas City, etc, the descriptions attendant on same could be exactly those in the 1922 article, albeit sans blackjacks and revolvers (at least for now).

(* It seems that the article is no longer available at the link provided, so it may have to be requested from the NYT's archive on an individual basis, if you didn't catch it earlier.)

And the only thing "cerebral" about Tromp are the parasites lurking and feeding therein which may be the only salvation in the current political morass. Eat away, my lovelies, until there's nothing left but drool.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/17/16 12:34 AM

With President Obama's nomination of Merrick B. Garland, a centrist appeals court judge, Senate Republicans refuse to consider the president’s choice, even though they respect him.

And still the Republicans can't see the forest for the trees, ie, can't see that their obstructionist behavior in the democratic process fuels the fire which has elevated Tromp to point of destroying the party.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! crazy tongue Ah well, stupid is as stupid does.
(Spiro would have called them effete. Barry would have just shaken his head and sighed.)
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/18/16 12:25 AM

Nominee Visits Tense Capitol as GOP Digs In Against Vote
Brushing aside stirrings of defections in their ranks, GOP leaders vowed that they would not hold hearings or a confirmation vote for Judge Merrick B. Garland this year even if a Democrat wins the White House in November.

To call GOP leaders a-holes does a major disservice (ie, is really insulting) to a-holes. mad
Every move they make to destroy democracy demeans their essence within and without the country. Small wonder Tromp is in the ascendancy ... of what I'm not quite sure.
At the end of the day everyone loses. frown
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/18/16 01:33 AM

They're hoist, because it's consistent with their position that the people should speak, and they're stuck with extending it to the possibility of Hillary carrying the Senate.

They can actually be considered to look good in this instance in their own dumb-ass way. (Hmmm... It would be interesting to see what Obama would do if they try to do a 360 if there's a new Democratic Prez and Senate come November.)

I'm willing to trade a few more months of an 8 Justice Court for a nominee selected and parsed entirely by Democrats.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/18/16 05:27 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
They're hoist, because it's consistent with their position that the people should speak, ....

Not to put to fine a point on it, but the people did speak: they elected Obama to the presidency ... twice.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/18/16 05:56 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: artie505
They're hoist, because it's consistent with their position that the people should speak, ....

Not to put to fine a point on it, but the people did speak: they elected Obama to the presidency ... twice.

Well, yeah, but that doesn't count! crazy
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/18/16 06:16 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: artie505
They're hoist, because it's consistent with their position that the people should speak, ....

Not to put to fine a point on it, but the people did speak: they elected Obama to the presidency ... twice.

Well, yeah, but that doesn't count! crazy

Of course not, Mitch. smirk
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/18/16 06:17 AM

Another pet peeve is the incorrect use of the term "lame duck".
The correct definition is: an official (especially the president) in the final period of office, after the election of a successor. In the case of the US presidency this time around that's a period of 73 days.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/21/16 05:20 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Another pet peeve is the incorrect use of the term "lame duck".
The correct definition is: an official (especially the president) in the final period of office, after the election of a successor. In the case of the US presidency this time around that's a period of 73 days.

I'm glad to hear that from someone else, Iwas wondering if I was the only one that caught that. Though it seems to apply better to presidents that served one term and did not win re-election for their second term, particularly (and typically) when the elected is of the opposing party.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/22/16 02:09 AM

An article in today's New York Times could, mutatis mutandis, describe Tromp and his campaign:

Parrots Are a Lot More Than ‘Pretty Bird’
Out of the cage, they speak their own language, make tools, and wreak havoc on plants and researchers’ efforts alike.

At this point the only media coverage (not 'news' coverage, mind you, because it ain't 'news') of/on Tromp I can abide is that provided via The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. Otherwise I just tune out and go to my happy place.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/29/16 09:45 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Trump wants database to track Muslims in US; Carson compares Syrian refugees to rabid dogs If either of these turkeys wins the election, I'm moving to Canada.

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Don't slow down as you approach the border or I might leave footprints on your back. shocked

You may find there's a line.

According to the Sunday issue of the Montreal Gazette, "Google searches for “how to move from the U.S. to Canada” soared by over 1,000 per cent in the week following the recent Super Tuesday primaries that Donald Trump dominated."

The Gazette also noted, "One U.S. poll last week found 28 per cent of Americans would consider moving to Canada if Trump becomes president."
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/29/16 12:15 PM

Similar article:

Originally Posted By: Wahington Post
“Move to Canada” searches on Google spiked more than 1,000 percent this week...

It goes on to say
Originally Posted By: Washington Post
...Plenty of American expats — about a million, according to the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City — have moved south of the border.

I met one of them on Isla Mujeres last year. He raved about the health-care system, his house in the “Beverly Hills” section of the island and how much he dislikes his grandchildren in Connecticut..

Looks like Canada will be competing for those seeking political asylum.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/29/16 04:47 PM

Here's a journalist's take on the Trump candidacy: My Shared Shame: The Media Helped Make Trump
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/16/16 05:57 PM

It had to happen: There is now a term for having totally unacceptable candidates running for President, namely Electile Dysfunction. shocked
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/17/16 03:58 PM

laugh
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/29/16 10:33 AM

As it turns out, the U.S. does not have a monopoly on totally wacky right-leaning politicians, as evidenced in this report. Gads.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/29/16 10:50 AM

Indeed. The Earl's "upheaval" has been grist for everyone's mill ... and most everyone is more or less ignorant of all the facts — from use (and misuse) of antibiotics, hormones and growth promotants to what constitutes humane treatment and slaughter of food animals.

Bottom line: It was (as such things usually are) a business decision on the part of Earl's, namely the bottom line.

Besides, who but yuppies and dinks and the horny after-work crowd even goes to Earl's? Noisy, crowded and over-priced.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/29/16 11:05 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
It had to happen: There is now a term for having totally unacceptable candidates running for President, namely Electile Dysfunction. shocked


That might be the case, but it's what the voters want. As it is, I see a Trump/Christie ticket as being "dynamite". Not sure who Hillary is going to pick.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/29/16 01:27 PM

Quote:
As it is, I see a Trump/Christie ticket as being "dynamite".

I see it as a ticket to be dynamited!
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/30/16 08:11 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Quote:
As it is, I see a Trump/Christie ticket as being "dynamite".

I see it as a ticket to be dynamited!


Some folks may feel that way, but that of course will not happen. In fact, their impact will be stronger than dynamite!
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/30/16 08:28 AM

Quote:
...their impact will be stronger than dynamite!

Something along the lines of a V-2, I imagine.
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/30/16 09:05 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Quote:
As it is, I see a Trump/Christie ticket as being "dynamite".

I see it as a ticket to be dynamited!

Why not wait until it (inevitably) self-destructs? shocked smirk
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/30/16 09:37 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Quote:
...their impact will be stronger than dynamite!

Something along the lines of a V-2, I imagine.


Much more than a V-2! In fact, it will be like any of the following:

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-top-ten-most-powerful-missiles-in-the-world

The impact will be incredible!
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/30/16 09:41 AM

Originally Posted By: alternaut
Originally Posted By: artie505
Quote:
As it is, I see a Trump/Christie ticket as being "dynamite".

I see it as a ticket to be dynamited!

Why not wait until it (inevitably) self-destructs? shocked smirk


Don't think it will self destruct. They get along very, very well, and Chiristie will be a perfect addition to the ticket. But alas, unless some "classes" of voters support the ticket (I'm thinking women, minorities (immigrants), and black), Hillary and her running mate will most likely win. Unfortunately, she is not much better.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/30/16 12:57 PM

Originally Posted By: alternaut
Originally Posted By: artie505
Quote:
As it is, I see a Trump/Christie ticket as being "dynamite".

I see it as a ticket to be dynamited!

Why not wait until it (inevitably) self-destructs? shocked smirk

Because the thought of Trump not giving up and spending the next four years building an organization is just about as frightening as the thought of his winning!

And speaking of "self-destruct", does the thought of Trump's teaming up with Christie, who was among the least popular of the dregs in the Republican nomination process, make you think of McCain/Palin?
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/30/16 12:59 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Originally Posted By: artie505
Quote:
...their impact will be stronger than dynamite!

Something along the lines of a V-2, I imagine.


Much more than a V-2! In fact, it will be like any of the following:

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-top-ten-most-powerful-missiles-in-the-world

The impact will be incredible!

tongue
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/30/16 01:49 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: alternaut
Originally Posted By: artie505
Quote:
As it is, I see a Trump/Christie ticket as being "dynamite".

I see it as a ticket to be dynamited!

Why not wait until it (inevitably) self-destructs? shocked smirk

Because the thought of Trump not giving up and spending the next four years building an organization is just about as frightening as the thought of his winning!

And speaking of "self-destruct", does the thought of Trump's teaming up with Christie, who was among the least popular of the dregs in the Republican nomination process, make you think of McCain/Palin?


A Trump/Christie ticket would be WAY more "attractive" that McCain/Palin. Both Trump and Christie are "straight from the cuff, no beating around the bush" guys. and that appeals to a number of voters.

Again, though, I suspect Hillary (with her running mate) will win the election, due to too much opposition to Trump, primarily from the women and minority sectors of the population (and some others). But again, Hillary is not much of an improvement.

The other thing, of course, is that if Trump were to win, once he gets in office, he will soon realize that it will be difficult, at best, to get around the political "fractured" process in DC, and get anything done. For example, building the wall is an excellent idea, but that will be difficult for him to get that accomplished. Hillary does not plan on building one.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/30/16 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Both Trump and Christie are "straight from the cuff, no beating around the bush" guys…...

Yup. And therein lies Trump's greatest weakness, as evidenced by his various reactions during the campaign so far. He is unable to resist any bait.

All that Hillary Clinton needs to do is periodically 'toss something out there' and move on. Trump will seize it, complete with the hook, and proceed to do or say something incredibly stupid…..every time.

Meanwhile Hillary will be making speeches about issues that matter and generally looking like she belongs in the White House while the Donald looks like he belongs in a mad house.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/30/16 09:23 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
A Trump/Christie ticket would be WAY more "attractive" that McCain/Palin.

Both the presidential candidate and his running-mate coming from northeastern states - the NY Metro area in particular - will not sit well with much of the electorate, and that combined with the fact that Christie has already proven himself a loser leaves Trump/Christie a particularly weak ticket.

In his own way, Trump is as weak a candidate as McCain was, but Christie will hurt his campaign worse than Palin hurt McCain's.

Edit: "Big Nasty New York" and "Little Nasty New Jersey" is NOT what I'd call the sort of diversity the electorate wants to see in a presidential ticket.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/01/16 01:40 AM

This electoral go-round (in the sense of "a flight path typically taken by an aircraft after an aborted approach to landing") might best be described as Walt Disney meets Freddy Krueger — a great ticket. tongue
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/01/16 05:20 PM

Here's an enlightening read: Run on a Ticket With Donald Trump? No, Thanks, Many Republicans Say. My favorite part is Senator Lindsay Graham's take on accepting a second spot on a Trump campaign: “That’s like buying a ticket on the Titanic.”
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/02/16 08:07 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
My favorite part is Senator Lindsay Graham's take on accepting a second spot on a Trump campaign: “That’s like buying a ticket on the Titanic.”

I also like Chris Christie's response at a recent news conference, where he said he would evaluate the offer “for any position in government”. IMHO, it demonstrates just how stupid he is….and hence a running mate who would ensure that Trump loses.

A smart politician would have answered: "I'll be pleased to accept any position where I am able to serve the American people".

Instead, Christie replies with the equivalent of: "I'll take any job that keeps my snout in the public trough."
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/02/16 10:23 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
A smart politician would have answered: "I'll be pleased to accept any position where I am able to serve the American people".

Instead, Christie replies with the equivalent of: "I'll take any job that keeps my snout in the public trough."

It is comment like that where I wish this forum software had a "Like" function along the lines of Facebook's. smile
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/02/16 12:09 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: ryck
A smart politician would have answered: "I'll be pleased to accept any position where I am able to serve the American people".
Instead, Christie replies with the equivalent of: "I'll take any job that keeps my snout in the public trough."

It is comment like that where I wish this forum software had a "Like" function along the lines of Facebook's. smile

There is: Check out the list of posting icons (in reply window); choose thumb up (such as I did with this reply) or thumb down.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/02/16 01:47 PM

That's only a poor, almost invisible workaround that's rarely used, and I wonder how many people even notice it when it is used.

What joemike's talking about is prominent and far more meaningful.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/02/16 04:38 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
That's only a poor, almost invisible workaround that's rarely used, and I wonder how many people even notice it when it is used.
What joemike's talking about is prominent and far more meaningful.

It's hardly "almost invisible" when it leads the entire response. When I want to make my original post or response more than just a bare comment, I always select an appropriate posting icon.

But, as usual ... whatever lights your wick.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/02/16 05:05 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
It's hardly "almost invisible" when it leads the entire response. When I want to make my original post or response more than just a bare comment, I always select an appropriate posting icon.

Every once in a while a posting icon catches the corner of my eye, but it never registers as anything more than "something's different there".

I never look at those icons; they lead a response in the sense that they precede the thread's title, but they're totally removed from its text, which is what I'd guess most folks address immediately...possibly exclusively.

I think a well placed smiley or emoji in a response is far more meaningful than those posting icons.

And then again...

Edit: And don't forget both that nobody keeps count of posting icons and that you've got to post to use one, whereas in joemike's scenario all you've got to do is click "Like" or "Don't Like" and your vote is tallied and prominently displayed.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/03/16 01:24 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I think a well placed smiley or emoji in a response is far more meaningful than those posting icons.

I agree completely. All I was pointing out in response to joemikeb's comment ("It is comment like that where I wish this forum software had a "Like" function along the lines of Facebook's. smile ") was that something already existed here that could be put into service (albeit in jury-rigged fashion).
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/03/16 05:23 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: ryck
A smart politician would have answered: "I'll be pleased to accept any position where I am able to serve the American people".

Instead, Christie replies with the equivalent of: "I'll take any job that keeps my snout in the public trough."

It is comments like that where I wish this forum software had a "Like" function along the lines of Facebook's. smile

Thanks. smile
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/03/16 05:21 PM

In case anyone still thinks that Trump is less than an unmitigated disaster, read Trump repeats unsubstantiated claim that Cruz’s father had ties to JFK assassin Oswald. Of particular "interest" is that he bases many of his claims on material printed by the National Enquirer.

Is this the way a president should get his information? Maybe he'll try to rescue Elvis and Marilyn from Mars after they were kidnapped by space aliens and imprisoned there.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/03/16 05:48 PM

To use the words of CBS, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz ended his campaign for the Republican nomination Tuesday night, effectively ensuring Donald Trump will become the GOP's standard-bearer in 2016. .

Wow.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/03/16 05:58 PM

Unlike intelligent people, Trump supporters don't read about his "inaccuracies ( tongue )" after the fact; they just swallow whatever spews from his mouth. frown
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/03/16 06:01 PM

He's well on his way to getting Hillary elected; let's just hope he goes with Christie as his running mate.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/03/16 06:57 PM

I've been wondering why Kaisich stayed in after Cruz dropped out. How about this….

Kaisich figures most people have so far been thinking: "Trump's an entertaining distraction but he'll never make it". However, now that Trump could get enough delegates, their tune has changed to "Holy crap…he might do it".

So, Kaisich says to himself: "Maybe there are enough people in the balance of the primaries who are now so scared they'll vote for anyone but Trump and, guess what, that's me. I can't get enough delegates to win the nomination but, if I keep Trump from getting the number, it's a contested convention. Then, I could do it on a second ballot."
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/03/16 07:19 PM

I don't know about Kasich getting the nomination on any ballot, but under any circumstances, an attempt to stop Trump is an honorable endeavor. (The money he'll be spending is that of like-minded people, so he won't be called to task by anybody who matters to him.)
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/03/16 08:56 PM

Whether it's honorable or not, it's too late. He will easily win California, and as they say, "There goes the ball game".

Also, if the Republican "establishment" stops the nomination of Trump, the party will definitely be fractured this election cycle.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/04/16 06:52 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I don't know about Kasich getting the nomination on any ballot, but under any circumstances, an attempt to stop Trump is an honorable endeavor.

And, of course, Trump gave his predictably "intellectual" response to the Kaisich decision: "He's just staying in for the free food."
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/04/16 07:07 AM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Whether it's honorable or not, it's too late. He will easily win California, and as they say, "There goes the ball game".

I'm not so certain about California being a shoo-in. The last polls I saw had Cruz and Trump running neck and neck so it will be interesting to see what happens to the Cruz votes (most of whom, I assume, are in the Stop Trump movement).

Originally Posted By: honestone
Also, if the Republican "establishment" stops the nomination of Trump, the party will definitely be fractured this election cycle.

They may not need to stop him through process. They can choose to stop him farther down the line (during the election) just by closing their wallets, which is already happening.

Trump could be a presidential candidate going into an election without enough dough, unless he is prepared to take that extraordinary amount of money from his own bank account. If he elects to underspend, that could be the real "There goes the ball game".

This morning there's a clue that the money is already on the Donald's mind. He has said he is "considering" accepting small donations.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/04/16 07:49 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck

I'm not so certain about California being a shoo-in. The last polls I saw had Cruz and Trump running neck and neck so it will be interesting to see what happens to the Cruz votes (most of whom, I assume, are in the Stop Trump movement).


With Cruz out of the race, and Kaisich having so little support, Trump will triumph in California, plain and simple.

Originally Posted By: ryck
They may not need to stop him through process. They can choose to stop him farther down the line (during the election) just by closing their wallets, which is already happening.


Thus, the Republican party will just lie down and die, ie, concede the election. That would be real smart!
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/04/16 08:46 AM

Originally Posted By: honestone
With Cruz out of the race, and Kaisich having so little support, Trump will triumph in California, plain and simple.

At this point, all moot, as Kaisich reportedly will be making an announcement today that he is dropping out.

Originally Posted By: honestone
Thus, the Republican party will just lie down and die, ie, concede the election. That would be real smart!

But not an impossibility. News reports this morning say that some Republicans are stating they will vote for Hillary before they vote for Trump. And, if the usual big-money Republican donors are not going to pony up for a campaign (effectively "lying down") he's got a money problem.

I'm guessing Trump will require far more than any candidate has ever needed. He needs a massive (and expensive) PR campaign to reverse the opinions of those large voter blocs he has alienated so far. (e.g. None-white voters 81% for Hillary, 14% for the Donald). Other groups, like women, are not likely to be much different.
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/04/16 08:58 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Unlike intelligent people, Trump supporters don't read about his "inaccuracies ( tongue )" after the fact; they just swallow whatever spews from his mouth. frown


Or maybe he is just saying out loud what many people are thinking?

Note that this does not mean what he is saying and people are thinking is intelligent. In fact, we have seen repeatedly in this country that people will vote against their own self-interests in the big picture if the candidate supports their beliefs on guns, gays and abortions.
Posted by: freelance

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/04/16 09:30 AM

I have this parallel universe fantasy where Trump wins the presidency and we can all watch what happens without actually being affected by it from the security of our sane universe.

Or maybe it's just the reverse: and Trump's universe is the real world and my universe is actually the insane asylum?

I haven't lost any sleep over this yet.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/04/16 12:51 PM

Originally Posted By: freelance
I have this parallel universe fantasy where Trump wins the presidency and we can all watch what happens without actually being affected by it from the security of our sane universe.
Or maybe it's just the reverse: and Trump's universe is the real world and my universe is actually the insane asylum

Remember what I said in Post #38887 (mid-February) vis-à-vis King of Hearts?
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/04/16 02:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Ira L
Originally Posted By: artie505
Unlike intelligent people, Trump supporters don't read about his "inaccuracies ( tongue )" after the fact; they just swallow whatever spews from his mouth. frown

Or maybe he is just saying out loud what many people are thinking?

In some instances that's certainly true, but he's spouting garbage, some of which is made up, and some of which is extracted from the National Enquirer and other equally if not more disreputable sources, that people don't even know about until it spews from his mouth, and, in addition, he's close to a congenital liar, and there's almost no likelihood that his supporters ever avail themselves of the facts, i.e. the truth.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/04/16 02:46 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Remember what I said in Post #38887 (mid-February) vis-à-vis King of Hearts?

A link would be more meaningful. wink
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/04/16 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck

At this point, all moot, as Kaisich reportedly will be making an announcement today that he is dropping out.


So, that negates your earlier contention about California. Not to say I told you so, but .....

Originally Posted By: ryck
But not an impossibility. News reports this morning say that some Republicans are stating they will vote for Hillary before they vote for Trump. And, if the usual big-money Republican donors are not going to pony up for a campaign (effectively "lying down") he's got a money problem.


Again, no matter how it's spun, the Republican party would then be giving up.

Originally Posted By: ryck
I'm guessing Trump will require far more than any candidate has ever needed. He needs a massive (and expensive) PR campaign to reverse the opinions of those large voter blocs he has alienated so far. (e.g. None-white voters 81% for Hillary, 14% for the Donald). Other groups, like women, are not likely to be much different.


So far, Trump has spent his own money on the campaign. And, percentages can change, as has been evident ever since Trump entered the race, and was a HUGE underdog. Now, he is the TOP dog!
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/04/16 10:03 PM

Quote:
Now, he is the TOP dog!

Correction... Now he is the top DOG!

(Hopefully there aren't enough canines registered to vote to get him elected.)
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 12:07 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: grelber
Remember what I said in Post #38887 (mid-February) vis-à-vis King of Hearts?

A link would be more meaningful. wink

True, but I can't figure out how to specify such (ie, URL) for a specific post. (My page set-up may not be yours.)

Anyway, this was the comment referenced:
I'm reminded of "King of Hearts" (1966 movie, starring Alan Bates) — only getting back into the asylum won't help.
Think irreparably nutsy cuckoo. tongue crazy
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 12:25 AM

The URL of your most recent post is http://www.finetunedmac.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=40268#Post40268,
but if you substitute the number of the post to which you want to link for the two 40268s the URL will lead to it.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 12:36 AM

Thanks. I should have thought of that.
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 03:34 AM


If you click the post icon in the upper left corner of a post—like so—you will load a page whose URL is the one you're looking for. Or you can right-click or control-click the icon and then select Copy Link from the contextual menu (that's in Safari; the phrase may differ slightly in Firefox but the same functionality is there).
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 06:02 AM

Clicking on the post icon brings up a whole page not just the post specified. Not exactly what I was looking for.

By the bye, your link to the dropbox is flagged by Firefox as "untrusted":
dl.dropboxusercontent.com uses an invalid security certificate.
The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown. The server might not be sending the appropriate intermediate certificates. An additional root certificate may need to be imported.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 06:17 AM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Originally Posted By: ryck

At this point, all moot, as Kaisich reportedly will be making an announcement today that he is dropping out.


So, that negates your earlier contention about California. Not to say I told you so, but .....

Contention? I suggested that California wasn't necessarily a shoo-in for Trump, given the unknown factor of where the Cruz votes would go. And, I still stand by that speculation.

The fact that there will now not be a competition doesn't provide a single iota of support for your contention that Trump would easily win California, so you can hang onto your "Not to say I told you so" for another time.

Originally Posted By: honestone
Originally Posted By: ryck
I'm guessing Trump will require far more than any candidate has ever needed. He needs a massive (and expensive) PR campaign to reverse the opinions of those large voter blocs he has alienated so far. (e.g. None-white voters 81% for Hillary, 14% for the Donald). Other groups, like women, are not likely to be much different.


So far, Trump has spent his own money on the campaign.

You have missed the point entirely.

I fully understand that Trump has paid his way to date. However, the amount he will need for an election campaign (and the PR side of things) far exceeds anything he has spent so far. He may be reluctant to reach that far into his own pocket and, absent any additional funding, that will place him in a tough spot.

Originally Posted By: honestone
quote=ryck]But not an impossibility. News reports this morning say that some Republicans are stating they will vote for Hillary before they vote for Trump. And, if the usual big-money Republican donors are not going to pony up for a campaign (effectively "lying down") he's got a money problem.

Originally Posted By: honestone
Again, no matter how it's spun, the Republican party would then be giving up.

Yes, and I think it's entirely possible in a party that is already split by factors like the Tea Party. Add to that the fact that Trump has only averaged 40% of the Republican vote in the primaries, so a majority of the party already opposes him.
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 06:33 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Clicking on the post icon brings up a whole page not just the post specified. Not exactly what I was looking for.

Your expectation of bringing up a single post is not exactly what’s provided in any view in UBBThreads software. In Dave’s example, you get the page containing the post with that post at the top of the browser window, UNLESS there aren’t enough following posts to make that possible with the window height you’re using. That display ‘failure’ would apply to the bottom-most post(s), unless they’re taller than your browser window is high*. If you try Dave's suggestion with the last post and one at least one window height up, you’ll see what I mean.

That said, it is possible to display a single post within its thread hierarchy (select threaded mode under Topic Options at the left above the topmost post on the page), but then you won’t see the literal context without switching back to flat mode.

* What with ryck’s and my post now following yours, the issue is pretty much moot.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 07:23 AM

RE Earls in Canada opting out of Canadian beef:
It took less than a week for them to recant and reverse their stance.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 07:26 AM

Originally Posted By: alternaut
* What with ryck’s and my post now following yours, the issue is pretty much moot.

Still, your observations are worthwhile. Glad you made them.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 09:07 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck

Contention? I suggested that California wasn't necessarily a shoo-in for Trump, given the unknown factor of where the Cruz votes would go. And, I still stand by that speculation.

The fact that there will now not be a competition doesn't provide a single iota of support for your contention that Trump would easily win California, so you can hang onto your "Not to say I told you so" for another time.


And I stand by my original contention, that Trump will win California. That was just as valid before Cruz and Kasich bowed out. Similar stuff was spewed out about Indiana (http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/primary-results-takeaways/), and look how Trump trounched BOTH of them there.

Originally Posted By: ryck

You have missed the point entirely.

I fully understand that Trump has paid his way to date. However, the amount he will need for an election campaign (and the PR side of things) far exceeds anything he has spent so far. He may be reluctant to reach that far into his own pocket and, absent any additional funding, that will place him in a tough spot.


No, I understood perfectly what you said. Such a scenario you are stating just goes back to the other point, about the Republican party just giving up.

Originally Posted By: ryck

Yes, and I think it's entirely possible in a party that is already split by factors like the Tea Party. Add to that the fact that Trump has only averaged 40% of the Republican vote in the primaries, so a majority of the party already opposes him.


Once again though, things can change, and I just point again to the fact about how Trump rose from such an underdog last June to winning the nomination. And, if Hillary suffers any more damage from the EMail "issue", that will surely help Trump.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 09:38 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Quote:
Now, he is the TOP dog!

Correction... Now he is the top DOG!

(Hopefully there aren't enough canines registered to vote to get him elected.)


Correction, and even better: TOP DOG!

And, there are plenty of "canines" out there who are really just voters, and could help to put him in office.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 01:32 PM

TOP DOG as you like it, but only in the mad-dog wing of the kennel!
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
TOP DOG as you like it, but only in the mad-dog wing of the kennel!


Those "folks" in the mad-dog wing will come after, and devour, sneaky cat folks, as you like it.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/16 05:47 PM

confused
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/06/16 04:55 AM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Also, if the Republican "establishment" stops the nomination of Trump, the party will definitely be fractured this election cycle.

IMHO that horse has long since left the barn. There's no fixing that this cycle.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 06:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: honestone
Also, if the Republican "establishment" stops the nomination of Trump, the party will definitely be fractured this election cycle.

IMHO that horse has long since left the barn. There's no fixing that this cycle.

Yup….and some prominent Republicans figure the party will be fractured if he isn't stopped.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 06:49 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Yup….and some prominent Republicans figure the party will be fractured if he isn't stopped.

And from our perspective resolution of issues/disputes such as softwood lumber and COOL goes down straight down the toilet.
The American insanity will definitively and negatively impact both Canadian and American workers. Keep an eye or an ear on CBC News.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 07:53 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck

Yup….and some prominent Republicans figure the party will be fractured if he isn't stopped.


Such folks need to wake up and smell the roses, as it's too late. He has the nomination clinched.
Posted by: MacManiac

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 08:01 AM

...and in further news, this recent interview.

Jeff Dunham's "Walter" is Politically Unbalanced.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 08:20 AM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Originally Posted By: ryck

Yup….and some prominent Republicans figure the party will be fractured if he isn't stopped.


Such folks need to wake up and smell the roses, as it's too late. He has the nomination clinched.

The point was not about whether or not Trump has the nomination clinched (That's been in all the papers), it was about the effect on the Republican party. It's very clear that a lot of senior Republicans are very, very worried. To quote Peter Wehner, former speech writer for George W. Bush and a lifelong Republican:

"They've nominated a person who is a pernicious force in American politics. Someone who is not conservative, who's misogynist, who's xenophobic, who's nativist, who's incredibly shallow, who's vindictive, who is, I think, emotionally unstable. I think he's obsessive, I think he's a threat to the Republican Party and the republic."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 08:26 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
To quote Peter Wehner, former speech writer for George W. Bush and a lifelong Republican:
"They've nominated a person who is a pernicious force in American politics. Someone who is not conservative, who's misogynist, who's xenophobic, who's nativist, who's incredibly shallow, who's vindictive, who is, I think, emotionally unstable. I think he's obsessive, I think he's a threat to the Republican Party and the republic."

What's your point? confused
Given that he's all of those things, what does that say about the electorate that put him in that position? Clearly he's not along in being all those things. And that is the truly scary, Freddy Krueger thing.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 08:41 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
What's your point? confused

Again, the point is that senior Republicans (and probably a lot of everyday Republicans) view Trump as a threat to their party.

Originally Posted By: grelber
Given that he's all of those things, what does that say about the electorate that put him in that position?

Probably similar to the things it says about other electorates:

e.g. The one that gave George W. Bush a second term.

e.g. The Canadian electorate that kept a dictatorial Prime Minister in office for ten years.

Et cetera.

However, in this case (getting back to the point), there is a very real chance that the nominee can bring down the party itself.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 09:05 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
...what does that say about the electorate that put him in that position? Clearly he's not along in being all those things. And that is the truly scary, Freddy Krueger thing.

That's precisely what I had in mind when I suggested the horrifying possibility of his building an organization.

Edit: Trump has given the stupidest, most ignorant, indeed, the ugliest part of America a banner to rally around!
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 09:27 AM


Quote:
...what does that say about the electorate that put him in that position?

Well, it says that those who've voted for Trump in the Republican primaries to date—a bit less than 11 million people, or roughly 7% of the registered electorate—preferred Trump to whomever else was running in their state at the time. Roughly 15 million voters (10%) preferred other Republican candidates, and 23 million or so (16%) voted in Democratic primaries.

About the other two-thirds of the electorate, not much can be claimed.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 12:47 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck

(That's been in all the papers)


Obviously, a number of folks do not read the papers. But, it was also loudly stated by the voters through the primaries.

Originally Posted By: ryck

The point was not about whether or not Trump has the nomination clinched , it was about the effect on the Republican party. It's very clear that a lot of senior Republicans are very, very worried. To quote Peter Wehner, former speech writer for George W. Bush and a lifelong Republican:

"They've nominated a person who is a pernicious force in American politics. Someone who is not conservative, who's misogynist, who's xenophobic, who's nativist, who's incredibly shallow, who's vindictive, who is, I think, emotionally unstable. I think he's obsessive, I think he's a threat to the Republican Party and the republic."


Don't think he is all that, but he definitely is stating things that the folks are so pissed off about: the political and underhanded BS that goes on in DC, along with so little, if anything, getting accomplished. Plus, he is definitely right on about the trade in balance, and the wall that MUST be built.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 12:51 PM


Originally Posted By: grelber
Given that he's all of those things, what does that say about the electorate that put him in that position?


That they are sick and tired of all the political BS that goes on, and that nothing gets accomplished.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 01:01 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck

However, in this case (getting back to the point), there is a very real chance that the nominee can bring down the party itself.


That's the fault of the party, not Trump. The smart thing for them to do would be to rally around him, and support him (as they should). If not, then as I have stated before, they would be giving up the election to Hillary, and creating an opening for her to get in.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 02:06 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Plus, he is definitely right on about the trade [imbalance], and the wall that MUST be built.

Yes indeed ... along the northern border to keep American riffraff out. mad crazy
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 02:22 PM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Plus, he is definitely right on about the trade in balance, and the wall that MUST be built.

Hmmm... If trade is truly in balance America has got absolutely no problems. wink tongue

After the wall is built there'll be any number of job opportunities for you and your wife and kids in my neighborhood...sorting fruit, cleaning homes, stocking shelves, and many, many more. (And maybe there should be a second wall to keep out the foreigners Trump imports to work at Lago Del Mar because the American workers who so ardently support him either aren't capable of doing the job or aren't willing to do it cheaply enough.)
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: honestone
Plus, he is definitely right on about the trade in balance, and the wall that MUST be built.

Hmmm... If trade is truly in balance America has got absolutely no problems. wink tongue


Meant trade imbalance.

Originally Posted By: artie505
After the wall is built there'll be any number of job opportunities for you and your wife and kids in my neighborhood...sorting fruit, cleaning homes, stocking shelves, and many, many more. (And maybe there should be a second wall to keep out the foreigners Trump imports to work at Lago Del Mar because the American workers who so ardently support him either aren't capable of doing the job or aren't willing to do it cheaply enough.)


I can lead you on to such jobs for you, your wife, and kids, and that would be a step up from what all of you are doing now.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 02:54 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: honestone
Plus, he is definitely right on about the trade [imbalance], and the wall that MUST be built.

Yes indeed ... along the northern border to keep American riffraff out. mad crazy


Meant imbalance.

And, besides a southern wall, build a northern one also, to keep the Canadian jerks out.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 05:10 PM

I know we all feel strongly about our political positions, but the hostile and demeaning remarks being passed here are inappropriate and unacceptable.

Everyone just step back, take a deep breath and count to ten.

Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: honestone
Plus, he is definitely right on about the trade [imbalance], and the wall that MUST be built.

Yes indeed ... along the northern border to keep American riffraff out. mad crazy

Well, let's see…

• Canada was partly founded by American loyalists fleeing the revolution.

• During the Vietnam War, tens of thousands of Americans moved to Canada to avoid the draft and I am not aware of any downside.

• If Trump wins, we could see a lot of well-educated, highly-skilled and socially tolerant Americans coming north. That would be just fine.

If there's a wall, I'll be quite happy to help them over.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 10:13 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I know we all feel strongly about our political positions, but the hostile and demeaning remarks being passed here are inappropriate and unacceptable.

Everyone just step back, take a deep breath and count to ten.



I can do that, but once someone makes such remarks directed at me, I am obligated to respond in kind.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 10:47 PM

Quote:
...once someone makes such remarks directed at me....

I assume that refers to my earlier post which was NOT "such [a] remark directed at [you]."

It was meant to obliquely suggest that neither you nor your wife or kids would have the least bit of interest in filling one single job held by a Mexican in my neighborhood, and was NOT so obscure that its meaning should have eluded you.

Unlike your knee-jerk response which was direct, nasty, and downright insulting, my post absolutely did NOT demean either you or your family in any way. (You've been studying Trump's mannerisms, haven't you?)
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/07/16 11:09 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Quote:
...once someone makes such remarks directed at me....

I assume that refers to my earlier post which was NOT "such [a] remark directed at [you]."


Yes, it was, and it's not the first time you have exhibited such immature behavior.

Originally Posted By: artie505
It was meant to obliquely suggest that neither you nor your wife or kids would have the least bit of interest in filling one single job held by a Mexican in my neighborhood, and was NOT so obscure that its meaning should have eluded you.


Again, a crock! You made those inappropriate, demeaning remarks about my wife and children. As it is, we are WAY more sophisticated and educated than you and your family are, or will ever be, by far. You proved that by making such remarks. I did nothing like that at all prior to your remarks.

Originally Posted By: artie505
Unlike your knee-jerk response which was direct, nasty, and downright insulting, my post absolutely did NOT demean either you or your family in any way. (You've been studying Trump's mannerisms, haven't you?)


Again, more lies. Just don't make such remarks anymore, or else I will respond in kind. If you can't make mature posts in these discussions, than you should not participate.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/08/16 12:50 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: honestone
Plus, he is definitely right on about the trade [imbalance], and the wall that MUST be built.

Yes indeed ... along the northern border to keep American riffraff out. mad crazy

Well, let's see…
• Canada was partly founded by American loyalists fleeing the revolution.
• During the Vietnam War, tens of thousands of Americans moved to Canada to avoid the draft and I am not aware of any downside.
• If Trump wins, we could see a lot of well-educated, highly-skilled and socially tolerant Americans coming north. That would be just fine.
If there's a wall, I'll be quite happy to help them over.

Agree completely. Note that I said "riffraff", which does not include your examples.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/08/16 12:55 AM

More road apples for the proverbial American apple pie ...

To paraphrase Tromp: I love atavistic nationalism. (Not the notion but the linguistic combination.)

Republican Party Unravels Over Trump’s Takeover

GOP leaders fear their party is on the cusp of an epochal split between familiar conservatism and a rekindled, atavistic nationalism.
The crisis over Donald J. Trump reflects years of fraying ties between party elites and voters.
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/08/16 06:50 AM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I know we all feel strongly about our political positions, but the hostile and demeaning remarks being passed here are inappropriate and unacceptable.

Everyone just step back, take a deep breath and count to ten.

I can do that, but once someone makes such remarks directed at me, I am obligated to respond in kind.

No you’re not. The only thing you’re obligated to do in these forums is to follow the Board Rules, and requests or hints from the moderators. You may complain about perceived slights at our sufferance, or else. Consider this your final and last warning to behave before being banned.
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/08/16 07:06 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: honestone
Plus, he is definitely right on about the trade in balance, and the wall that MUST be built.

Hmmm... If trade is truly in balance America has got absolutely no problems. wink tongue

After the wall is built there'll be any number of job opportunities for you and your wife and kids in my neighborhood...sorting fruit, cleaning homes, stocking shelves, and many, many more.

By now you should know to refrain from comments that can be easily misconstrued or used to start an ad-hominem diatribe. Consider yourself warned as well.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/08/16 09:33 PM

Originally Posted By: alternaut
By now you should know to refrain from comments that can be easily misconstrued or used to start an ad-hominem diatribe. Consider yourself warned as well.

Sorry, alternaut; point well made and well taken.

(By the time it occurred to me to append a tongue it was, unhappily, too late; I hope it would have helped.)
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/11/16 09:03 AM

Anuther coupla cents' worth ...

Given the political and social crapola/turmoil/inanity which is going on in the good ol' US of A and which seems bound to get worse, one can envisage another major "brain drain" of those who have more neurons than are necessary for bladder and bowel control.

Chances are that Canada will get a lot of those (for reasons of proximity and cultural compatibility), but many other countries are also bound to profit from the apparent Know-Nothing resurgence. [If you aren't familiar with that, check out mid-19th-century history; the parallels are unnerving.]

Depending on how many flee, the remnants of every nature could resemble a Monty Python sketch (but without the intellectual component). The primary beneficiaries will be the news media around the world reporting on such — ie, there will be much grist for their mills.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/11/16 09:13 AM

Or Trump could actually get the USA back on track again, and then we'd have to deal with either "smart" folks or more riffraff coming here.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/11/16 09:21 AM

Originally Posted By: honestone
Or Trump could actually get the USA back on track again, and then we'd have to deal with either "smart" folks or more riffraff coming here.

I wouldn't be so sanguine about Tromp (or Clinton, for that matter) getting anything "back on track" again — the tracks are well and truly warped, and it'll take a lot of heat and hammering to get them straight again ... and even then, most of the supporting trestles have been burnt.
Posted by: honestone

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/11/16 09:27 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: honestone
Or Trump could actually get the USA back on track again, and then we'd have to deal with either "smart" folks or more riffraff coming here.

I wouldn't be so sanguine about Tromp (or Clinton, for that matter) getting anything "back on track" again — the tracks are well and truly warped, and it'll take a lot of heat and hammering to get them straight again ... and even then, most of the supporting trestles have been burnt.


Yes, I previously stated that Trump could find it difficult (and maybe impossible?) to get anything accomplished in "do nothing" DC. And yes, Hillary could, at best, be very marginally "better" (whatever that means).

Note that I said Trump COULD actually get the US back on track. I of course realize how difficult that could be for him to do.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/23/16 07:52 AM

Originally Posted By: honestone
That's the fault of the party, not Trump. The smart thing for them to do would be to rally around him, and support him (as they should). If not, then as I have stated before, they would be giving up the election to Hillary, and creating an opening for her to get in.

So basically they created the problem, and he is exposing it and offering a solution. It's not so much what he says and does, but that he's hung out their dirty laundry to dry, and that the population dislikes BOTH the problem that's been created and the bitter pills that are now required to fix it.

The reps would rather just bury it all for another four years, kick the can down the alley a few more feet and make it the next generation's problem to deal with. Like what they've been doing for decades. Time to pay the piper! (and Trump's got a big shiny flute to wave around)
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 06/19/16 10:03 AM

Apple refuses to back GOP convention because of Trump politics
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 06/20/16 04:59 PM


Shocking!

Quote:
UPS, Motorola, JPMorgan Chase, Ford and Walgreens all told Bloomberg they won’t sponsor this year’s convention.

It might be more effective if they threatened to do it if it the candidacy wasn't brought to convention.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 06/20/16 05:21 PM

Originally Posted By: slolerner

Shocking!

Quote:
UPS, Motorola, JPMorgan Chase, Ford and Walgreens all told Bloomberg they won’t sponsor this year’s convention.

It might be more effective if they threatened to do it if it the candidacy wasn't brought to convention. (Emphasis added)

"[W]asn't" or "was"?
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 06/21/16 04:10 AM

With all due repect, I think I said what I meant to say. That these companies do not want Trump to be the nominee and would prefer that it be brought to convention.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 06/21/16 03:13 PM

More Companies Opt to Sit Out Trump’s Coronation in Cleveland
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 06/21/16 11:10 PM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
Quote:
UPS, Motorola, JPMorgan Chase, Ford and Walgreens all told Bloomberg they won’t sponsor this year’s convention.

It might be more effective if they threatened to do it if it the candidacy wasn't brought to convention.

Originally Posted By: artie505
"[W]asn't" or "was"?

Originally Posted By: slolerner
With all due repect, I think I said what I meant to say. That these companies do not want Trump to be the nominee and would prefer that it be brought to convention.

This may be a reaffirmation of my abysmal SAT Verbal (i.e. reading comprehension) score, but aren't your two statements contradictory?

They'd "prefer that [WHAT] be brought to convention"?

No offense intended, but I don't think you've stated your position very clearly.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/07/16 01:19 AM

Originally Posted By: MacManiac
....nah, The Donald isn't vocally anti-semitic in his rants....

Oops ...

Headline and blurb from today's New York Times:

Trump Defends Use of Image Seen as Anti-Semitic

Donald J. Trump breathed new life into a controversy that started when an image was posted on his Twitter account of a six-pointed star next to a picture of Hillary Clinton.

Still think the lead-up to Election Day doesn't smack of 1933 Germany?!
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/07/16 03:30 AM

Here's the article: In a Defiant, Angry Speech, Donald Trump Defends Image Seen as Anti-Semitic
And, in an article that I can't immediately find, it was stated that he thought that Saddam Hussein wasn't all bad. After all, he was good at killing terrorists (!). That's somewhat akin to saying that Hitler made the trains run on time.
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/07/16 04:36 AM

Mussolini made the trains run on time.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/07/16 07:46 AM

And now we can await the modern-day version of Kristallnacht orchestrated by the Führer and his Brownshirts. crazy
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/07/16 08:31 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Donald J. Trump breathed new life into a controversy that started when an image was posted on his Twitter account of a six-pointed star next to a picture of Hillary Clinton.

Still think the lead-up to Election Day doesn't smack of 1933 Germany?!

Nope.

I think it's much simpler - the Clinton team is making use of Trump's fatal flaw, which is that he cannot resist taking the bait (as shown so many times during the primaries). He continues to rave on about the star when he could simply have ended it all with a simple "It was a simple mistake and I did not intend to offend."

But no, he keeps chewing on the bait while the Republican Party pushes him unsuccessfully to get on message about the Clinton emails - an issue they consider much more enduring.

It also underlines a key reason that he is unsuitable for the presidency. In Trump's mind, matters that affect him personally are more important than anything else.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/08/16 01:51 AM

I dunno if it's quite that simple, ryck.

That image would have made it's point with no more than the pic of Hillary (Edit: and the text) superimposed over the money, and the inclusion of the six pointed star looks all the more terrible in view of the fact that Sheldon Adelson has spoken of creating a $100 million Super PAC and wants to take Trump to Israel after the convention to meet Netanyahu (forget altogether about his Jewish daughter and son-in-law); it was a really major and terrible affront to important people...not one that could be brushed aside with a simple "Oops" (after all, he, himself, not an underling, posted it)...hopefully one from which he'll never fully recover.

(Frankly, I can't understand why any Jew would support Trump! He's the front man for hatred and bigotry in America, he's given it a voice and a platform, and where there's hatred and bigotry, there's anti-Semitism...either on the surface or festering beneath it.)
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/27/16 05:02 PM

Trump has outdone himself. Donald Trump Calls on Russia to Find Hillary Clinton’s Missing Emails. It appears that Trump's definition of "making America great again" includes having Russia influence a presidential election, not to mention (if you read further) condoning Russia's annexation of Crimea.

Imagine if this had happened during the Cold War. Trump would have been indicted for treason.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/27/16 07:09 PM

A while back the NY Times interviewed big Republican contributors who weren't contributing to Trump, and in addition to the many expected reasons they reported that one (who said he may even vote for Hillary) wisely said "The Republic will survive Hillary."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/28/16 10:04 AM

A review in Maclean's Magazine of A Child’s First Book of Trump (Simon & Schuster):
How to talk to your kids about Donald Trump.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/28/16 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Imagine if this had happened during the Cold War. Trump would have been indicted for treason.

He opened his big mouth one time too many this time around; maybe he will be (the one to be) indicted. Now, wouldn't that be a hoot? grin

No, Donald, Nathan Hale did not say "I only regret that I have but one country to [give] for my life!"
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/29/16 05:15 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
No, Donald, Nathan Hale did not say "I only regret that I have but one country to [give] for my life!"

I suspect this is too subtle for either Trump or his followers. As Stephen Hawking found, those folks are easily confused.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/29/16 06:39 AM

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic (is that word too long for Trump supporters?). I suppose that any word that is three syllables long or greater, is unable to be understood by these people.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/29/16 12:34 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic (is that word too long for Trump supporters?). I suppose that any word that is three syllables long or greater, is unable to be understood by these people.

To be fair there are some of these people who do understand at least a few words with three or more syllables. The currently serving governor and attorney general of Texas, both are tea party favorites, understand at least one three syllable word — indictment. Both are currently under indictment for different felony fraud offenses. I am confident the lieutenant governor (formerly a Rush Limbaugh wannabe conservative radio talk show host from Houston) would be under indictment as well but he isn't smart enough to put together a fraud.

Since even the Texas Legislature has balked at paying the Attorney General's defense team, he sees nothing wrong in accepting $50,000 donations to his defense fund from the CEO of a corporation that was under investigation by his office and has assured the voters of Texas his subsequent decision not to seek an indictment had nothing to do with the donation. If you believe that contact me directly, I have a line on a bridge for sale in Brooklyn, New York.

The suspicion is voters elect these clowns to get them out of town and out or their hair. Recently these stellar politicians have been publicly invited either to leave town and/or butt out of their business by multiple major city as well as small town mayors, public school superintendents, college professors and administrators, chiefs of police, etc. Yet they still get re-elected.

confused confused confused
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/31/16 06:39 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I suppose that any word that is three syllables long or greater, is unable to be understood by these people.

I think it's evident that neither Trump nor his people are capable of understanding very much at all. For example:

One of the most powerful speeches during the DNC was delivered by Muslim Khizr Khan. His son Army Capt. Humayun Khan died in Baghdad in 2004, giving his life for his fellow soldiers. Mr. Khan attacked Trump's immigration proposals and pointed out that the billionaire has "sacrificed nothing and no one."

In an interview with with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos, Donald Trump rejected that assertion and said: "I think I've made a lot of sacrifices."

Wow! Talk about zero understanding..... However, the irony of that claim wasn't missed by the folks who use Twitter.

Very soon, Trump's comparison of his "sacrifices" to Mr. Khan's had become the hashtag #TrumpSacrifices. Satirically, the Twitter folks pointed out that Trump had been subjected to such hardships as:

• flying commercial
• playing golf on a public course
• staying at a hotel that was only three-star
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/31/16 09:48 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
... One of the most powerful speeches during the DNC was delivered by Muslim Khizr Khan. His son Army Capt. Humayun Khan died in Baghdad in 2004, giving his life for his fellow soldiers. Mr. Khan attacked Trump's immigration proposals and pointed out that the billionaire has "sacrificed nothing and no one."

Not to take away from your presentation but to augment it, I would point out how Señor Hitler — note the multiply ambiguous and sarcastic, albeit accurate, characterization — has been dealt with in the media vis-à-vis the Khan "affair":

Trump Dispute With Muslim Family Emerges as Flash Point

Trump Belittles Parents of Slain Soldier, Drawing Ire

Señor Hitler, as if it weren't obvious, gives new meaning/dimension to the term "yutz".
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/31/16 11:31 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Señor Hitler, as if it weren't obvious, gives new meaning/dimension to the term "yutz".

…..and new meaning/dimension to the word stupidity.

In the midst of it all Trump attacked a Gold Star Mother and, rather than apologize for a mean and thoughtless accusation, his people are out today doubling down…..making sure that his asinine statements live beyond a single news cycle.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/31/16 12:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Hillary
“Someone who attacks everybody has something missing,” she told a crowd at a campaign stop in Youngstown, Ohio.

Talk about hitting the nail right on the head!
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/31/16 02:47 PM

In a different vein, I've read any number of articles about Trump's request that Putin find the missing Hillary emails, but none of them has tied that to the fact that in the same interview, the "World's Greatest Dealmaker" suggested that he'd reconsider the US's position on Crimea.

Taken together, aren't the two an overt attempt to negotiate with a foreign power to the detriment of America? (I haven't seen anything in that vein; have I missed it?)

And don't his repeated statements about Crimea perpetuate the crime?

And is Putin stupid enough to believe a word that comes out of his mouth?

It's frightening to think that Trump's supporters would actually respond favorably to Russian intervention in the US Presidential election process...UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 07/31/16 05:54 PM

Melania Trump like you’ve never seen her before | New York Post doesn't strike me as being particularly helpful to the campaign of a man who’s courting evangelicals.

The Post has been actively supporting Trump, but within the context of their “journalistic style” this could mean that he’s gone too far for even them and they’re changing direction.

XXXXX XXXXX Fingers crossed.

Edit: And if that wasn't enough for you: http://nypost.com/2016/08/01/melania-trumps-girl-on-girl-photos-from-racy-shoot-revealed/
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/01/16 06:31 AM

We've missed the obvious by not seeing the forest for the trees:
Señor Hitler is in fact a Democrat mole, tasked with destroying the Republican Party. And at that he's good at what he does. All of his behavior and comments are eminently explicable in this scenario.
Otherwise one would have to believe he's the stupidest, most inept person on Earth ... and nobody is that stupid or inept.
An ancillary benefit is that the crazies who support him have been uncloaked and can be neutralized (or, better, neutered).
Remember: You read it here first!
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/01/16 12:25 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Otherwise one would have to believe he's the stupidest, most inept person on Earth ... and nobody is that stupid or inept.

I suppose that a scrupulous search might find someone, somewhere, who is stupider. However, I don't think such a search could find anyone more intent on proving that stupidity can be invincible.

Today, key Republicans (e.g. Ryan, McConnell, McCain) as well as prominent organizations (e.g. Veterans of Foreign Wars) expressed how aghast they are that a presidential candidate would attack a Gold Star Family. And what does Trump do? He takes the words of those Republicans and veterans as a cue to escalate his battle against Mr. and Mrs. Khan.

It appears the big question is: "Where's the bottom?"

Every time I hear words spewing from Trump's mouth, I am reminded of the line Henry the Chicken Hawk always aimed at Foghorn Leghorn: "You're nothing but a loud-mouthed schnook."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/01/16 12:58 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
It appears the big question is: "Where's the bottom?"

That's pretty much exactly what Hillary opined, when asked about this.

Originally Posted By: ryck
Every time I hear words spewing from Trump's mouth, I am reminded of the line Henry the Chicken Hawk always aimed at Foghorn Leghorn: "You're nothing but a loud-mouthed schnook."

The inimitable Al Capp would've been more direct and used the epithet "shmuck", playing on both the figurative and literal senses of the word.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/01/16 01:19 PM

To put it another way, he has reached the bottom of the barrel and has started to dig.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/01/16 03:05 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: ryck
It appears the big question is: "Where's the bottom?"

That's pretty much exactly what Hillary opined, when asked about this.

....and specifically asked by others since. A good question is worth repeating until there is a good answer, which Jon has now provided.

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
To put it another way, he has reached the bottom of the barrel and has started to dig.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/02/16 02:01 AM

Well, the Editorial Board of The New York Times has gone on record:
It’s time for Republican leaders to set an example for their party by withdrawing support for Donald Trump.

Mr. Trump and Spineless Republicans
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/02/16 09:02 AM

The Dallas Morning News, a long-time Republican supporting publication, has done the same and recommended support for Clinton.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/02/16 09:11 AM

Your linked page is from Feb 12th, i.e. Hillary v Bernie, Ira.

Quote:
Editorial: We recommend Hillary Clinton for Democratic presidential nomination
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/02/16 11:58 AM

Note they also noted they have never endorsed any candidate this early in the campaign season as they usually preferred to wait for the debates before taking sides but in this case their minds are already made up.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/02/16 12:14 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: ryck
It appears the big question is: "Where's the bottom?"

That's pretty much exactly what Hillary opined, when asked about this.

"Every time I think I've hit bottom, somebody hands me a shovel!"
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/02/16 01:31 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Every time I hear words spewing from Trump's mouth, I am reminded of the line Henry the Chicken Hawk always aimed at Foghorn Leghorn: "You're nothing but a loud-mouthed schnook."

Originally Posted By: grelber
The inimitable Al Capp would've been more direct and used the epithet "shmuck", playing on both the figurative and literal senses of the word.

This, hot off the press….."schmuck" would definitely be accurate.

I just watched a news blurb from a Trump rally where, as he is speaking, a baby cries. He pauses, looks in the direction of the mother and child, and says a few words along the line of: "That's okay. I love babies. Who doesn't love babies? What a beautiful baby."

He pauses again and, with a dismissive movement of his hand, demands: "No. Get that baby out of here."

Trump then looks at his audience and, referring to the mother, says: "I think she actually believed I like babies crying when I'm speaking."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/02/16 02:25 PM

'Twould appear that the only thing American he hasn't maligned or otherwise insulted as yet is apple pie. Get prepared ....
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/02/16 02:55 PM

Against all odds he found a way to malign Mom, so, as you say, can apple pie be far behind?
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/03/16 01:05 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Against all odds he found a way to malign Mom, so, as you say, can apple pie be far behind?

It's exactly that which I was referring to + the baby debacle.
His feet are big; fortunately (for them) his mouth is bigger.
BrainDead (summer TV series) come home to roost.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/03/16 05:58 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Against all odds he found a way to malign Mom, so, as you say, can apple pie be far behind?

Even more incredible than Trump's offensive comments was the number of toads in the audience who laughed.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/03/16 10:21 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
Against all odds he found a way to malign Mom, so, as you say, can apple pie be far behind?

Even more incredible than Trump's offensive comments was the number of toads in the audience who laughed.

Please don't malign "toads", delightful and innocent amphibians, which likely made the pre-adolescent years for many of us a delight. ("Toadies" is a more accurate designation.)

How about his 'delightful' references to the Purple Heart?

The man is so effin' out of it that it is not possible that he is not mentally/chemically imbalanced, as any number of media editorials have opined, to wit (for example):

Is Donald Trump just plain crazy?

STASI: Dictator Donald Trump has gone crazy

Trump's Mental State Is Becoming a Campaign Talking Point
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/03/16 06:16 PM

I'm fascinated by the possibilities if he loses to Hillary.

My best guess is that he'll either wind up in jail for inciting rioting or the blow to his ego/inferiority complex will drive him over the edge and he'll descend into complete insanity, maybe both. I think the latter may be the best thing that could happen to America.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 12:18 AM

If any 'regular' person displayed the bizarre and erratic behavior of Señor Hitler, said individual would almost certainly be consigned to a minimum 30-day psychiatric evaluation to determine his/her fitness to be allowed to remain in 'polite society'. One can only hope that at some point that will be the case ... with the outcome that he would never be released and could be used for experimental purposes (as such inmates were back in the day).
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 12:53 AM

His sickness leaves him reeeally vulnerable; every creative alternative that Hillary and her minions can come up with will drive him closer to the edge.

I've got to wonder what his family is saying privately? (I'd love to be able to tap into his kids' phone conversations.)
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 01:38 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I've got to wonder what his family is saying privately? (I'd love to be able to tap into his kids' phone conversations.)

Especially Ivanka's opinion of his perverse 'fatherly' comments about (and often to) her and his somewhat-less-than-fatherly touching of her.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 02:18 AM

Getting back to basics, Meg Whitman just joined the ...ng fast is an enumeration of high profile Republicans who are supporting Hillary.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 04:55 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I'm fascinated by the possibilities if he loses to Hillary.

"fascinated" is not the word I would use. "terrified" maybe?

From everything I've seen recently, a good chunk of the rest of the world is rather freaked out at the possibility, considering how much the US's foreign policies will likely change if he gets in the door. We're already in everybody's business as it is.

Really, what will he do the first month he's in office? Start on his wall with Mexico? Cancel all muslim visas? Cancel foreign trade agreements? Invade North Korea? (ok, that last one may actually have some international support)
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 06:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: artie505
I'm fascinated by the possibilities if he loses to Hillary.

"fascinated" is not the word I would use. "terrified" maybe?
From everything I've seen recently, a good chunk of the rest of the world is rather freaked out at the possibility, considering how much the US's foreign policies will likely change if he gets in the door. ...

You seem to have misread what artie said (loses, not wins). Losing doesn't get him in the door, although it might get him clawing at it.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 06:14 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I've got to wonder what his family is saying privately? (I'd love to be able to tap into his kids' phone conversations.)

As Trump's heirs, I'd guess they're worried about his effect on the business. He may appeal to the people who root for him at rallies, but the CEOs and others in boardrooms will be less enamored.

I'd guess they are watching and wondering if it's wise to do business with someone who has so many loose screws.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 08:37 AM

I can't imagine that his "brand" doesn't suffer and lose credibility and market share every time he opens his mouth.

Edit: But on point, what are their thoughts about his mental health and his antics (for lack of a better word)? If they're not extremely worried, if they think there's nothing "off" or inappropriate about his behavior, then even allowing for childrens' affection for their father there's something seriously wrong with them, too.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 12:03 PM

There was some interesting speculation from a reputed expert in this mornings paper that Trump's continued complaints about the election process being rigged against him (i.e. debate schedules Hillary's nomination) are all laying the groundwork for...
  1. ...blaming his loss of the election on an "I was robbed 😢" sob story and/or
  2. …getting his people so worked up they will not accept his defeat creating a constitutionlal crisis and even a possible armed uprising to put The Donald into power unelected and therefore answerable to no one. 💀
The first proposition I find believable, however I am not convinced The Donald is smart enough to carry out so Machiavellian a plot as the second.

I have heard physicians who have said after watching The Donald on television if her were their patient they would order him to bed rest before he has a heart attack or stroke, and some have indicated they are seeing signs of early memory loss or even Alzheimer's. (However both may be wishful thinking.)
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 04:46 PM

1 is apparently laying the groundwork for some level of 2, but your worst case scenario 2 would take major support from the military that I doubt he could muster. Considering his recent denigration of their sacrifices and their parents' resultant grief I wonder if the normally Republican voting military will even go his way in the election. I'd also guess that the military might not be too pleased with a President who wants to cut back on its presence, i.e. the numbers and authority of its high brass.

He'll be treading on very dangerous ground if he incites rioting, which I suspect is where he's going, but I'm really hoping that he just disintegrates into blithering, justifiable, lock-him-up insanity.

Edit: I guess he could attempt to cause a Constitutional crisis by claiming the election was rigged, but I doubt that he could make it stick, although an Obama appointed 7th Supreme Court Justice would really look good to me right about now.

If his kids had any guts, common sense, and common decency they'd have him committed forthwith!
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
But on point, what are their thoughts about his mental health and his antics (for lack of a better word)? If they're not extremely worried, if they think there's nothing "off" or inappropriate about his behavior, then even allowing for childrens' affection for their father there's something seriously wrong with them, too.

For all you know he’s always been ‘like that’, gradually rendering his family inured to his antics with little reason to do something about it now, as they haven’t seen (?) the necessity of intervening previously. The main difference may be that he now is strutting (t)his stuff in public, causing all kinds of comments that might make them think again. I wouldn't hold my breath, though.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 06:05 PM

I'm most assuredly NOT holding my breath.

Along with the negative comments they're hearing positive stuff, so the bad could just roll off their backs, but it's difficult to imagine them not recognizing that he's getting worse...that his rhetoric is getting ever more dangerous to both himself and America, even if his behavior has remained consistent.

And his continued acceptance of support from David Duke has got to make Ivanka scratch her head even if nothing else fazes her.
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 06:47 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
... I wonder if the normally Republican voting military will even go his way in the election. I'd also guess that the military might not be too pleased with a President who wants to cut back on its presence, i.e. the numbers and authority of its high brass.

In 3 months we'll know the answer, but recent poll data among active duty military (also about 3 months old), suggest support for Trump over Clinton (or Sanders) by better than a 2-to-1 margin*. Despite Trump’s more recent antics there isn’t (yet) much indication that those numbers have changed significantly. Even so, there are many who say they won’t vote for Trump, if they’ll vote at all. In trying to explain this this pro-Trump sentiment, veterans (largely NOT included in the above mentioned poll) have been most vocal:

- Trump or Clinton: For the military, it’s hardly a vote of confidence
- Why Do Veterans Support Donald Trump?
- The military supports Trump for the same reasons civilians support him

*) Somehow, I suspect that this doesn’t quite apply to command levels.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/04/16 11:39 PM

The Marine Corps Times poll was conducted before the Khan and Purple Heart episodes, so I wonder if the upset over Hillary's handling of Benghazi has been lessened by those blunders?

Edit: Donald Trump Risks Alienating Military Communities in Swing States is right on point.
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/05/16 11:36 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
The Marine Corps Times poll was conducted before the Khan and Purple Heart episodes, so I wonder if the upset over Hillary's handling of Benghazi has been lessened by those blunders?

Edit: Donald Trump Risks Alienating Military Communities in Swing States is right on point.

Distaste for Hilary has nothing to do with distaste for Trump among the military portion of the Republican electorate, other than that neither has changed much if at all, yet; the Anti-Trump camp is continuously being strengthened by his antics, while his fans keep on excusing anything negative away. This notion of ‘balance’ between the two camps is clearly expressed in both the title and the body of the article you quote: Trump runs a risk, but hasn’t yet lost support among his fan base.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/05/16 01:06 PM

Originally Posted By: alternaut
Trump runs a risk, but hasn’t yet lost support among his fan base.

He's lost some support...so far, the amount is somewhere between negligible and minimal, and the article reports that his military fan base is pretty much intact, but it also indicates that all is not as he'd prefer it to be, that his shiny facade is, even if only ever so slightly, beginning to tarnish.

The ayes will never bring the nays back into their camp, but the nays will undoubtedly win converts.

That probably stems from the nays being Democratic, draft-dodging moles who are masquerading as vets.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/05/16 03:02 PM

I Ran the C.I.A. Now I’m Endorsing Hillary Clinton. This says it all. Trump is totally unqualified to occupy the office of president.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/05/16 03:44 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I Ran the C.I.A. Now I’m Endorsing Hillary Clinton. This says it all. Trump is totally unqualified to occupy the office of president.

As if that weren't a given already!

I read that, and I'll repost Meg Whitman just joined the list of Republicans for Hillary, because the former is right in line with the latter.

I'm amazed (but shouldn't be) that the reasons these people are giving for supporting Hillary aren't causing massive desertions from Trump's camp.

I certainly hope there'll be an eventual snowball effect.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/05/16 03:54 PM

Perhaps the best that we can hope is that people who dislike both Trump and Clinton (but otherwise would have voted for Trump) will not vote. That leaves fewer votes for Trump and, proportionally, more for Clinton.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/05/16 04:01 PM

I've been thinking along those lines with respect to the military.

It doesn't particularly matter if they don't vote for Hillary (although the help would be nice) as long as they don't vote for Trump.

They can talk him up to maintain face but just not pull the lever when they're in the booth and feel good about themselves.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/05/16 04:24 PM

Sometimes, it's good to see how the news media from other countries view us. Here's one from the BBC: Trump campaign teeters on the brink Let's hope that this is not a fluke! Still, it's a long way until November.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/05/16 05:12 PM

Nice article, but nothing eye-opening; it and the others I've read all talk about the possibility of Trump's changing course (Quote BBC: If Mr Trump can get back on message with a few carefully modulated speeches....), and all ignore the fact that HE CAN'T; he's a prisoner of his own psyche.

All the Democrats have to do is be creative and trot out someone new to insult Trump in a new and different way once every week and he'll forget that there's anything else of importance going on in his life; he's like a bluefish that'll strike at anything shiny.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/06/16 07:22 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
All the Democrats have to do is be creative and trot out someone new to insult Trump in a new and different way once every week and he'll forget that there's anything else of importance going on in his life; he's like a bluefish that'll strike at anything shiny.

Spot on! grin
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/06/16 10:25 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Perhaps the best that we can hope is that people who dislike both Trump and Clinton (but otherwise would have voted for Trump) will not vote. That leaves fewer votes for Trump and, proportionally, more for Clinton.
I agree with your sentiment, but I have to vociferously disagree with your methodology. Too many men and women have served and too many have died to guarantee our right to vote. I am of the opinion someone who doesn't vote has in effect renounced their citizenship and needs to move elsewhere to make room for new immigrants who will take pride in their duties as citizens of this, their new country.

Oops I nearly fell off my soap box.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/06/16 11:33 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Perhaps the best that we can hope is that people who dislike both Trump and Clinton (but otherwise would have voted for Trump) will not vote. That leaves fewer votes for Trump and, proportionally, more for Clinton.
I agree with your sentiment, but I have to vociferously disagree with your methodology. Too many men and women have served and too many have died to guarantee our right to vote. I am of the opinion someone who doesn't vote has in effect renounced their citizenship and needs to move elsewhere to make room for new immigrants who will take pride in their duties as citizens of this, their new country.

Oops I nearly fell off my soap box.
You can stay on your soap box. IMHO, voting should be mandatory for all citizens. Is that too radical?
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/06/16 12:17 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Too many men and women have served and too many have died to guarantee our right to vote. I am of the opinion someone who doesn't vote has in effect renounced their citizenship and needs to move elsewhere to make room for new immigrants who will take pride in their duties as citizens of this, their new country.

I don't know how Texas works, but until not all that long ago NY drew jurors from voting rolls, so many people never registered to vote in order to avoid jury duty.

Talk about it!
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/06/16 01:11 PM

In Texas the jury rolls are pulled from the driver's license database.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/06/16 01:27 PM

I imagine that a person is far more likely to have a driver's license in Texas than in NY.

Since maybe the '80s, NY has used every piece of paper it's got to find prospective jurors...voting rolls, driver's licenses, tax returns, and, as far as I know, all other public records.

The effort has apparently been wildly successful, because when I was first called in the mid-60s it was for two weeks every two years, and it's now every eight years and only one day unless you're selected for a jury or on an ongoing voir dire.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/08/16 06:23 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Sometimes, it's good to see how the news media from other countries view us.

I'll leave it to the media to speak for themselves, but I can attest to the fact that he has the citizens of other countries wondering. For example:

Donald Trump brought out his economic "plan" which includes a plan to re-negotiate the NAFTA. And he says: "If we can't get a new deal we will walk away."

Good going Mr. Trump. You're going to walk away from your country's single biggest customer (by a wide margin), a customer who purchases more than $330 billion of your goods and services every year.

Canada buys more from the U.S. than from any other nation. But, let's get a bit more focussed. How about the impact on your home state of New York. Well....

• Canada is New York’s #1 customer

• Total Canada–New York goods trade exceeds $30 billion per year


And, saving the best for last......

• nearly 700,000 jobs in New York depend on Canada–U.S. trade and investment.

This Canadian has only one question: How can anyone be so stupid?
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 12:13 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Perhaps the best that we can hope is that people who dislike both Trump and Clinton (but otherwise would have voted for Trump) will not vote. That leaves fewer votes for Trump and, proportionally, more for Clinton.
I agree with your sentiment, but I have to vociferously disagree with your methodology. Too many men and women have served and too many have died to guarantee our right to vote. I am of the opinion someone who doesn't vote has in effect renounced their citizenship and needs to move elsewhere to make room for new immigrants who will take pride in their duties as citizens of this, their new country.
Oops I nearly fell off my soap box.

You can stay on your soap box. IMHO, voting should be mandatory for all citizens. Is that too radical?

It seems to me that a mandatory voting requirement is the very antithesis of a free and democratic society. Maybe not.
But if I were forced to vote (especially upon pain of penalty) I would — on principle — spoil my ballot, no matter what the issue being voted upon or my attitude towards it.

As for the comment that "Too many men and women have served and too many have died to guarantee our right to vote": The flip side of that is that they died to guarantee our right not to vote. That's the difference between a democratic and a totalitarian society.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 03:13 AM

You make some good points, Grelber. On the other hand, although we (theoretically) have a free and democratic society, we are still compelled to do certain things as citizens. Included in this is the obligation to pay taxes and to serve in the military if and when the draft is reinstated. Although I would not be serious about compelling everyone to vote, those who don't, IMHO, have lost credibility because they don't participate in this fundamental right.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 04:12 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
... Although I would not be serious about compelling everyone to vote, those who don't, IMHO, have lost credibility because they don't participate in this fundamental right.

I fully agree. I just don't think that "coercion" is the right and proper means of achieving an end.
(And contrary to Señor Hitler, waterboarding doesn't work either.)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 06:28 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
It seems to me that a mandatory voting requirement is the very antithesis of a free and democratic society. Maybe not.

I think "Maybe not".

In order to work, a free and democratic society requires that all the participants do some things and don't do others. When a person does something they should not do, there's a consequence…fines, incarceration, whatever.

It seems to me that, when a person does not do something they should do, there should also be a consequence. Getting to "consequence" begins with formalizing the requirement. e.g. Mandatory voting.

Australia seems to have found a good compromise( introduced in 1924). In their compulsory voting system, failure to vote results in a fine. They have experienced a decent rise in participation but it's not 100% because about 5% of their citizens choose to pay the fine rather than vote.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 07:32 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Australia seems to have found a good compromise (introduced in 1924). In their compulsory voting system, failure to vote results in a fine. They have experienced a decent rise in participation but it's not 100% because about 5% of their citizens choose to pay the fine rather than vote.

What do you expect from a country which was founded by criminals (ie, started out as a penal colony)?! tongue smirk

There are a couple dozen countries which have instituted compulsory voting, but about half of them don't bother to enforce it.

As noted earlier, if forced to vote (by some sort of Orwellian overlords), I would prefer to subvert the system (by spoiling my ballot).

In case it isn't obvious, I count myself as a "conservative anarchist" and was mentored by the best in that regard.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 11:34 AM

There have been a number of proposals to increase participation in the electoral process in the United States, such as making voting day a national holiday, changing the day of the week to Saturday and/or Sunday, but congress has steadfastly refused any such measures hiding from their own cupidity behind a curtain of tradition.. Arguably the fewer voters there are the easier it is to swing an election one way or the other. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of papers, books, blogs, editorials, studies, etc. on this very topic.

In my home state of Texas, the far right wing extremists in the legislature, have led the state to spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to reduce access to the ballot box, and defending their patently racist laws through the federal courts only to get slapped down again and again until we are one again teetering on the brink of a federally managed electoral system. You might well ask where the money for all the law suits comes from and sadly ther answer is much of it comes from reduced state support of schools, and programs for economically disadvantaged children. There may be light at the end of the tunnel, a credible movement in the GOP to put forth a more moderate candidate in opposition to the darling of the extreme right, the freshman senator from Texas Ted Cruz. (Unverified rumor has it the Senate Republican caucus is helping fund the movement.)

Oops, I still haven't climbed down from my soapbox — I would apologize, but I am not a proponent of lying either.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 03:07 PM

Just when you thought that Trump could not stoop lower: Donald Trump Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton The reactions of the audience are even more appalling. If this is the American electorate, I'm profoundly ashamed. And Thomas Jefferson is turning over in his grave.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 04:40 PM

"Guy behind Trump immediately realized what he said was a problem." shows the part that was cut from the Times video.

Note the shocked reaction of the man in red and that the woman next to him apparently thought it was funny; he doesn't look very pleased with her reaction (as can be seen in the Times video).

Edit: Hmmm... I wonder why the Times edited the video in Trump's favor?
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 04:42 PM

Here's a statistic from Americans More Positive About Democratic Than GOP Convention that has been overlooked so far:

Likelihood to Vote for Party's Presidential Candidate Based on What You Saw/Read About Party's Convention...

The 2016 Republican convention is the first after which a greater percentage of Americans have said they are "less likely" rather than "more likely" to vote for the party's presidential nominee.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 04:58 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Just when you thought that Trump could not stoop lower: Donald Trump Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton The reactions of the audience are even more appalling. If this is the American electorate, I'm profoundly ashamed. And Thomas Jefferson is turning over in his grave.

The man has obliquely encouraged rioting and the assassination of a political rival, and blatantly committed treason...all with impunity, and his followers love it.

This election has changed America very much for the worse, and it isn't even close to over.

I think that the wrong people are being targeted for deportation!
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 05:38 PM

It appears to me that the NY Times is trying to report as objectively as possible in order to avoid the appearance of bias. That paper certainly is not sparing Clinton: Emails Renew Questions About Clinton Foundation and State Dept. Overlap, probably because the Times is widely regarded as having a liberal bias (which is certainly true when you read the editorials). The Times needs to maintain an air of neutrality in reporting the news.

However, the BBC has no reason to pull its punches. See US election: Anger over Donald Trump gun rights remarks
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 05:47 PM

Sorry, Jon, but I think that objectivity and neutrality demand that events be reported as they happen...by definition.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 05:50 PM

Agreed, Artie. I felt that the Times article about Trump soft-pedaled the implications of his remarks, unlike the coverage of the BBC. The Times tried to report what happened, without too much interpretation. That should be left to the editorial page.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 05:51 PM

Here's the Times editorial: Further Into the Muck With Mr. Trump
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 06:00 PM

Much as I might agree with BBC's analysis of the U. S. presidential race, To the best of my knowledge they have never claimed to be unbiased in their reporting.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 06:29 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
The Times tried to report what happened....

What happened is that one of Trump's supporters showed shock over the comment and the Times did NOT report it.

After looking at the video again it now appears to me that they edited out the man's shock and left his rolling his eyes at his neighbor's reaction as his reaction, i.e. they rewrote history.

Shame on the Times!
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/09/16 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Here's the Times editorial: Further Into the Muck With Mr. Trump

Interesting how the editorial mentions that the man's jaw dropped, but it, embarrassingly, has been edited out of the video.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/10/16 01:53 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Much as I might agree with BBC's analysis of the U. S. presidential race, To the best of my knowledge they have never claimed to be unbiased in their reporting.

All reporting is biased. Otherwise all news sources would just be stylistic variations on a theme. Just look at Fox News vs any other outlet. You just have to choose your "poison".
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/10/16 02:03 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Just when you thought that Trump could not stoop lower: Donald Trump Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton The reactions of the audience are even more appalling. If this is the American electorate, I'm profoundly ashamed. And Thomas Jefferson is turning over in his grave.

The man has obliquely encouraged rioting and the assassination of a political rival, and blatantly committed treason...all with impunity, and his followers love it.
This election has changed America very much for the worse, and it isn't even close to over.
I think that the wrong people are being targeted for deportation!

Ain't it grand?! crazy tongue

In the same spirit (of tit for tat) I would suggest a drone strike using a Hellfire missile (or two) on the next Tromp [sic] gathering.

Or perhaps old school: "I love the smell of napalm in the morning."
Does the Republican candidate and scene remind anyone else of Colonel Walter E. Kurtz in Apocalypse Now (1979) or Apocalypse Now Redux (2001, now the definitive version)? Col Kurtz looks peculiarly ~ positively sane when compared to DJT.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/10/16 06:12 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
In Texas the jury rolls are pulled from the driver's license database.

There's a "bad drivers" joke there somewhere I'm having trouble teasing out at the moment...
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/11/16 12:03 AM

And just when you thought Señor Hitler couldn't get any crazier:

Donald Trump Calls Obama ‘Founder of ISIS’ and Says It Honors Him
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/11/16 01:14 AM

His continuing to pander to the crazies who are already in his pocket rather than attempting to win converts or recoup losses is either mystifying or an affirmation of his narcissistic need to hear people cheer at whatever crackpot idea has popped into his head in the last 5 seconds.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/11/16 03:28 AM

Speaking of Hitler, Mike Pence Hints at Trump’s Muslim Ban Extending to Other Religions Looks like Trump's running mate may be as bad as he. And, there is a rather strong implication that Trump's purported buddy, Vladimir Putin, may be trying to rig the election. Hack of Democrats’ Accounts Was Wider Than Believed, Officials Say.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/11/16 05:50 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
And just when you thought Señor Hitler couldn't get any crazier:

Donald Trump Calls Obama ‘Founder of ISIS’ and Says It Honors Him

Obama now? Didn't he once say that Hilary was the one that founded ISIS? Seems like he'll point that stick at anyone...
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/11/16 06:15 AM

Originally Posted By: NYTimes
“In many respects, you know, they honor President Obama,” Mr. Trump told a raucous and rowdy crowd in Florida on Wednesday night. “He’s the founder of ISIS. He’s the founder of ISIS. He’s the founder. He founded ISIS.” He added, “I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton.”
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/11/16 10:24 AM

Donald Trump, Insisting He Won’t Change His Style, Repeats Claim Obama Founded ISIS. You aren't stupid if you make a mistake. You ARE stupid if you continue making the same mistake and expect a different result. Unfortunately, The Donald also appears to be insane (literally).
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/11/16 02:18 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Unfortunately, The Donald also appears to be insane (literally).

Yup…nuttier than a fruitcake.

The only thing I find as nutty as Trump is the continuing support he gets from senior Republicans with their comments like "Well, he won the nomination fair and square", and blah, blah, blah. I'm beginning to think they all need to go into the shop for a mental rebuild.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/11/16 02:45 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
The only thing I find as nutty as Trump is the continuing support he gets from senior Republicans with their comments like "Well, he won the nomination fair and square", and blah, blah, blah. I'm beginning to think they all need to go into the shop for a mental rebuild.

They're more concerned about their own fates if they don't support him than they are about America's possible fate if they do. frown
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/11/16 03:27 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
They're more concerned about their own fates if they don't support him than they are about America's possible fate if they do.

Their own and everybody else's fates are to turn into ash in a nuclear holocaust if the Wonder Chimp™ gets anywhere near the nuclear codes. The only survivors will be ants and cockroaches.
Posted by: tacit

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/12/16 12:32 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber

Their own and everybody else's fates are to turn into ash in a nuclear holocaust if the Wonder Chimp™ gets anywhere near the nuclear codes. The only survivors will be ants and cockroaches.


Oh, come now, that's hyperbole.

There are many species of bacteria and archaea that would survive, as would the weird life forms around deep-sea hydrothermal vents. It's entirely possible a number of plants might survive as well.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/12/16 07:45 AM

Originally Posted By: tacit
Originally Posted By: grelber

Their own and everybody else's fates are to turn into ash in a nuclear holocaust if the Wonder Chimp™ gets anywhere near the nuclear codes. The only survivors will be ants and cockroaches.

Oh, come now, that's hyperbole.
There are many species of bacteria and archaea that would survive, as would the weird life forms around deep-sea hydrothermal vents. It's entirely possible a number of plants might survive as well.

Granted. But grant me the poetic license. Just because it's "hypobole" (neologism for understatement) doesn't vitiate the central "theme".
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/12/16 08:59 AM

My guess is that there's facetious intent in tacit's response that you've missed.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/12/16 10:45 AM

Originally Posted By: tacit
There are many species of bacteria and archaea that would survive, as would the weird life forms around deep-sea hydrothermal vents.

As long as that weird life form from New York expires with the rest of us.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/12/16 10:49 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
My guess is that there's facetious intent in tacit's response that you've missed.

Didn't miss it. Added to it. smirk
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/13/16 01:21 AM

Trump Risks Hitting Ceiling as Swing Voters Say, ‘Enough’
  • Instead of widening his appeal, Donald J. Trump continues to alienate certain groups, leaving him stagnant in the polls.
  • Loyal Republicans, anti-establishment independents, Clinton-averse Democrats and other potential voters are turning away from him.

Rah!
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/13/16 03:22 AM

Let's count ourselves lucky that Trump is not as Macchiavellian as Hitler or Stalin. He wears his numerous character flaws on his sleeve and isn't sneaky enough to become a good manipulator. Of course, his die-hard followers don't care.

I can't believe that he is actually stupid (despite evidence to the contrary) but I do believe that his ego and insecurity make it impossible for him to slough off criticism. That's to the advantage of the US in this election. Donald Trump’s Other Campaign Foe: The ‘Lowest Form of Life’ News Media
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/13/16 07:27 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I can't believe that he is actually stupid (despite evidence to the contrary) but I do believe that his ego and insecurity make it impossible for him to slough off criticism.

Despite the fact that he is a complete political novice, Trump won't believe that anyone could possibly know more than him about politics. Real experts in the Republican party try to save him, and their party, by urging him to stay on message….but he ignores them and shoots off his mouth. I think that's stupid, really stupid.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/14/16 07:37 PM

Mr. Rove later told people he believed Mr. Trump was confused and scared in anticipation of the general election, according to people who have heard Mr. Rove’s account.

That struck a chord with me, because Trump's extraordinary concession that he may actually lose the election, its language in particular, had already gotten me wondering if he's scared of the Presidency and is (perhaps subconsciously) not actively trying to win the election...using "just continuing to be myself" as an excuse for (perhaps also subconsciously) actively trying to lose it.

This may be a rerun of "The Producers": he may have gotten into the campaign to promote his brand with the expectation of losing, and having won is hoist. (Has "Springtime for Señor Hitler" turned to winter?)

Maybe he's not all that stupid? confused
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/15/16 01:34 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Has "Springtime for Senõr Hitler" turned to winter?

Surely you mean Señor Hitler.

Winter is coming. And this could be a real-life rendition of Game of Thrones. crazy
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/15/16 01:43 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: artie505
Has "Springtime for Senõr Hitler" turned to winter?

Surely you mean Señor Hitler.

Most assuredly! crazy

Edit: Corrected.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/15/16 02:17 AM

I just listened to a portion of a discussion — part of CBC Radio One's overnight international programming — dealing with Lionel Shriver's “The Mandibles: A Family, 2029-2047”, a financial dystopia novel.
One of the participants opined that DJT would never work (be credible) as a character on the fictional page because he is too "broad".
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/15/16 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
….Trump's extraordinary concession that he may actually lose the election, its language in particular, had already gotten me wondering if he's scared of the Presidency and is (perhaps subconsciously) not actively trying to win the election...using "just continuing to be myself" as an excuse for (perhaps also subconsciously) actively trying to lose it.

That thought certainly crossed my mind. In fact, I recall thinking (when the whole thing started) that he would only stay in the race long enough to enhance his image a bit, and then he'd drop out.

However it would seem his ego got the best of him and, instead of dropping out, he thought "Hey, maybe I could do this". So he stayed in and now that everything is blowing up in his face, he wants out again.

And too, someone probably reminded him that a big part of the President's job is caring about and for others. At that point his anathema alarm started ringing and he got panicky.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/15/16 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
...I recall thinking (when the whole thing started) that he would only stay in the race long enough to enhance his image a bit, and then he'd drop out.

However it would seem his ego got the best of him and, instead of dropping out, he thought "Hey, maybe I could do this". So he stayed in and now that everything is blowing up in his face, he wants out again.

Rove picked up on Trump's fear early on, which suggests that he may never have thought that he could do the job, so I'll suggest that he's stayed in the race to get the most bang out of the $50 million of his own dollars he invested promoting his brand in the primaries.

He loves publicity...even if it's bad, and in that respect, he's certainly promoting(?) himself and his brand big time now, and with other people's money now, to boot, and in doing so, he's extricating himself from the sticky position of possibly having to be President of the United States.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/15/16 06:23 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
He loves publicity...even if it's bad…

I gotta admit he sure is getting plenty of the bad stuff. Today's polls suggest he likely can't even carry New York State. Har har har.


Originally Posted By: artie505
....and in that respect, he's certainly promoting(?) himself and his brand big time now, and with other people's money now, to boot.

My question would be: "What's the benefit of the promotion?". It doesn't matter that he has thousands of lunatics cheering him on. Let's face it - What can they do for him once it's over?

And the people who could be of benefit to him (the people who own or run businesses) must be wondering if they want to make deals with someone so close to lunacy.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/15/16 11:25 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
....and in that respect, he's certainly promoting(?) himself and his brand big time now, and with other people's money now, to boot.

My question would be: "What's the benefit of the promotion?". It doesn't matter that he has thousands of lunatics cheering him on. Let's face it - What can they do for him once it's over?

And the people who could be of benefit to him (the people who own or run businesses) must be wondering if they want to make deals with someone so close to lunacy.

I don't imagine for a second that his supporters are the constituency he's addressing, because, as you suggest, they'll do nothing for him after the election other than make noise, and I doubt that he's got degrading his brand down to their level in mind.

I assume that he's trying to buy worldwide brand/name recognition on the theory, which may very well be a good one, that his antics will eventually be forgotten while his name will live on...that down the road, people won't allow their current distaste for him to interfere with their taste for the luxury and finer things in life that his brand purports to offer, and if there are bottom-line buyers, there'll be middle-men (all of whom will, of course, overlook his history of rampant screwing of middle-men) lined up around the block to pander to him and cater to them.

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
He loves publicity...even if it's bad…

I gotta admit he sure is getting plenty of the bad stuff. Today's polls suggest he likely can't even carry New York State. Har har har.

I've never doubted that he'd lose New York; have I been living in a dream world?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/17/16 09:00 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I've never doubted that he'd lose New York; have I been living in a dream world?

No…but sometimes it's good to get another laugh out of this. However I'm sure there were times, as the Trump spectacle rolled out, when you asked yourself: "Am I just having a bad dream?"

Here's a St. Louis writer with an interesting view on Trump's so-called foreign policy speech.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/17/16 11:47 AM

From your linked article...

Meanwhile, daughter Ivanka Trump was spotted on vacation with Wendy Deng, rumoured to be the girlfriend of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Edit: Considering the current close scrutiny of Trump's relationship with Putin, that's a strange choice of friends for his daughter.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/18/16 07:18 AM

And, thanks to my newly-developed skill, these from the same article….


According to Mr. Trump’s speech, the great enemy of the U.S. is “immigrants or the children of immigrants,” whom he claims are “the common thread linking the major Islamic terrorist attacks that have recently occurred on our soil.”

This is a remarkable claim for a candidate who is both the son, husband and ex-husband of immigrants.


Mr. Trump presents the U.S. as a nation under attack far more from within than from the outside. This is true, but not in the way he intended. A lying, bigoted zealot with executive power poses a far greater threat to U.S. stability than any Muslim who comes to the U.S. in search of a better life.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/18/16 07:27 AM

This morning's news is filled with Trump bemoaning the fact that Hillary Clinton takes weekends off. Is he just worried that beating him isn't a seven-day-a-week job, or is he forgetting that he took time off to open a new Trump Golf Course?

Oh ya…about that golf course, built by a guy who wants people to believe he's some sort of great business brain. By any metric you wish to use - number of golfers, TV ratings, golf course closures, equipment sales - golf is clearly headed down the porcelain facility.

However, "business brain" Trump thinks that's the ideal time to build a new course.

If I didn't think he was so dangerous, I'd say he's a million laughs.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/18/16 08:31 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
If I didn't think he was so dangerous, I'd say he's a million laughs.

That's exactly what Trevor Noah opined and demonstrated last week on The Daily Show — that Señor Hitler demonstrates all the hallmarks of a standup comedian — and he (TN) should know because he is one.

Señor Hitler could also be simply a perverted mugwump ... I do love that word!

Has anybody thought of resolving the problem with some ineptly prepared fugu? In addition to which the results would make for great YouTube video. Yum. tongue
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/18/16 08:38 AM

On the other hand, though, he may not have invested a penny in that golf course; he may have merely sold his name to the project, maybe retained an interest in profits, and won't lose a penny if it fails.

What is most disturbing in Trump’s sworn statements is the amount of nonsense he spouts as he mangles the English language into meanings no rational person could accept. An unsuccessful “development by Donald Trump” is not a “development by Donald Trump.” A successful project built by another developer who paid to have Trump’s name on the building is a “Donald Trump development.”
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/18/16 12:10 PM


Whatever Trump deems a "Donald Trump development", the Scottish golf course stands as a testament to his "business acumen" and perhaps even his veracity.


Trump has also reported to Scottish authorities that he lost millions of dollars on the project — even as he claims on U.S. presidential disclosure forms that the course has been highly profitable.

Trump’s original plan: a sprawling resort in the ancestral home of golf with two courses, a 450-room luxury hotel and spa, a conference center, employee housing, a turf-grass research center and a holiday community with hundreds of villas, condos and homes. The project would pump millions of dollars into the local economy and create 6,000 jobs — maybe even 7,000 jobs, Trump said at one news conference. Tourists would travel here from around the world, he promised, along with well-known celebrities such as Scottish actor Sean Connery.

Today, the Trump International Golf Links near Aberdeen employs 150 people and consists of one golf course that meanders through the sand dunes, a clubhouse with a restaurant and 19 rooms for rent in a renovated mansion and former carriage house. There is also a maintenance facility and a road running through the property. Lonely and desolate, the resort has attracted no major tournaments, and neighbors say the parking lot is rarely, if ever, full.

And, of course, in order to realize this "accomplishment" Trump had to make sure he bullied a little guy, a Scottish farmer.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/18/16 01:20 PM

And there's Scottish residents frustrated with Trump construction on countryside.

(The Wikipedia article about the holdout farmer could use some updating.)

Edit: Was there ever any doubt about Trump's "veracity"? (See my most recent previous link.)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/18/16 03:19 PM


Yup…. more bullying and more dishonesty. One could argue that the primaries and campaign have done some good by exposing this guy for what he really is.

Originally Posted By: artie505
Edit: Was there ever any doubt about Trump's "veracity"? (See my most recent previous link.)

No, I don't think so. But perhaps it's good to keep driving the point home.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/21/16 02:38 AM

How Can America Recover From Donald Trump?

Good question, as well as an editorial in The New York Times today.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/21/16 06:51 AM

Trump has claimed that he has a personal rapport with Vladimir Putin. Fortunately, that is not literally true, but his high regard for him is VERY dangerous. More of Kremlin’s Opponents Are Ending Up Dead. Trump has already said implied that Clinton should be assassinated.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/21/16 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Was there ever any doubt about Trump's "veracity"?

And neither was there any doubt that he's brainless jackass with absolutely no knowledge of history.

This rambling lunacy, in which he claims Canada once belonged to the U.S., proves he doesn't even know American history. He believes Canada was owned by the U.S. "…over 1,000 years ago….or something like that" - roughly 500 years before Columbus landed.



Edit: Per dkmarsh's following post, disregard all of the above. The one time I was in too much of a hurry to do the Snopes. My bad, apologies all around.
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/21/16 07:11 PM


Oh, c'mon. Trump's genuine utterances are plenty idiotic. Why confuse the issue by conflating them with made-up ones?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/22/16 02:13 AM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
Why confuse the issue by conflating them with made-up ones?

You're right….correction made.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/23/16 02:09 AM

Your Snopes reference has left me wondering if you're aware that the website to which you linked is similar to The Onion - America's Finest News Source.

There's a "Disclosure" button towards the lower right hand corner of the page that points to a statement that all political and sports (or some-such) articles are entirely made up.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/23/16 11:54 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
There's a "Disclosure" button towards the lower right hand corner of the page that points to a statement that all political and sports (or some-such) articles are entirely made up.

Missed that….thanks. As they say….too soon old, too late smart. Assisting in the sloppiness was the fact that I received the link from someone I assumed would have checked it out.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/24/16 06:23 AM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
Trump's genuine utterances are plenty idiotic.

And, back on track, Trump proves the case with his pathetic "appeal" to African-American voters: "You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58% of your youth is unemployed. What the heck do you have to lose?"
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/24/16 06:48 AM

And, he was addressing a white audience.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/24/16 07:55 AM

You're right….pertinent point or, in other words, Donald doubles down on dumb.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/24/16 09:26 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
And, back on track, Trump proves the case with his pathetic "appeal" to African-American voters: "You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58% of your youth is unemployed. What the heck do you have to lose?"

His handlers edited the original last sentence by deleting the last 3 words: but your lives. tongue crazy
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/24/16 09:39 AM

I believe he said "What the HELL...", which underscores a comment by one of the white men he's lost who said "He cusses in front of women and children and everybody. He's not Christian."

That quote, incidentally, is one of the best chosen ones I've seen.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/24/16 10:17 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
[quote=ryck]He loves publicity...even if it's bad, and in that respect, he's certainly promoting(?) himself and his brand big time now, and with other people's money now, to boot, and in doing so, he's extricating himself from the sticky position of possibly having to be President of the United States.

"There's no such thing as 'Bad Publicity'"
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/24/16 10:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: artie505
[quote=ryck]He loves publicity...even if it's bad, and in that respect, he's certainly promoting(?) himself and his brand big time now, and with other people's money now, to boot, and in doing so, he's extricating himself from the sticky position of possibly having to be President of the United States.

"There's no such thing as 'Bad Publicity'"

Tell that to Trump when it comes time for him to concede the election. (Now, that'll be a really interesting moment!)

And echoing ryck, I've got to wonder how is brand will fare down the road, although as I've said, I suspect it will prosper.

But the thought of his going into the media business is frightening!!!
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/24/16 10:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
"There's no such thing as 'Bad Publicity'"

Lululemon, General Motors, and Target Stores, who all suffered hits to their sales and share values as a result of adverse publicity, might argue that point.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/24/16 10:43 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Tell that to Trump when it comes time for him to concede the election. (Now, that'll be a really interesting moment!)

An interesting moment indeed….as I start wondering if his desperate moves to 'hang in there' may have less to do with a wish to be President and more about avoiding the possibility of having to concede to a woman. For a thrice-married misogynist, that has to be a frightful prospect.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/24/16 10:56 AM

Donald Trump’s Description of Black America Is Offending Those Living in It
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/24/16 05:04 PM

To change direction a bit, does anyone else find it curious that with only one exception, nobody has posted favorably for Trump in the nine months this thread has been running?

Is it that there isn't a single Trump supporter among the regulars, or is it that his supporters are at an overwhelming loss for meaningful rebuttal?

And how about guests? Trump supporters are pretty vocal, so I'd think that at least one would have taken the time to register, if only to "put us in our places". (Disclaimer: For all I know there have been any number of those whose vituperation was taken down before I saw it.)
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/25/16 01:18 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
To change direction a bit, does anyone else find it curious that with only one exception, nobody has posted favorably for Trump in the nine months this thread has been running?
Is it that there isn't a single Trump supporter among the regulars, or is it that his supporters are at an overwhelming loss for meaningful rebuttal?
And how about guests? Trump supporters are pretty vocal, so I'd think that at least one would have taken the time to register, if only to "put us in our places". (Disclaimer: For all I know there have been any number of those whose vituperation was taken down before I saw it.)

Since FTM comprises a parochial little group whose members have a few more neurons than required for bladder control and standing upright — crazy facetious comment for humorous comparative purposes only smirk — it's not hard to understand the lack of positive reactions in the Lounge.
In fact, other than from media outlets which pander to the fanatic fringes, have you seen any positive ~ favorable reviews of Señor Hitler's behavior and (proposed) policies?
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/25/16 01:26 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
In fact, other than from media outlets which pander to the fanatic fringes, have you seen any positive ~ favorable reviews of Señor Hitler's behavior and (proposed) policies?

I've seen numerous pro-Trump posts in response to anti-Trump articles in the Washington Post and NY Times, which is why I'm surprised that none seem to have been posted here.

It almost seems like all of Mac-dom "comprises a parochial little group whose members have a few more neurons than required for bladder control and standing upright".
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/25/16 01:38 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
It almost seems like all of Mac-dom "comprises a parochial little group whose members have a few more neurons than required for bladder control and standing upright".

I suspect that there's more than a grain of truth in that ... although the myriad of iPhone users might require closer scrutiny. tongue
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/25/16 01:38 AM

Further to Señor Hitler's attempt to put on "blackface",

Black Voters Don’t Recognize Trump’s View of Their Lives

The picture Mr Trump has been painting of black America — a nightmare of poverty, death and danger, brought about by failed Democratic policies and leadership — is one that African Americans say is unrecognizable.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/25/16 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I believe he said "What the HELL...",

In fact, the whole statement was:
"What the hell do you have to lose?! It can't get any worse than it is right now!"

Talk about adding insult to injury. crazy
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/25/16 05:23 PM

This is getting interesting.

I wonder how many people are naive enough to believe that a man who has unabashedly and consistently lied about pretty much everything to pretty much everybody has suddenly seen the error in his ways and disavowed the hard-line hatred and bigotry he's been spewing for so long, particularly in view of the unabashed hard-line hater/bigot he's now got directing his campaign?

Far beyond merely not jiving, Bannon and Trump's new softer, more lovable persona are antithetical.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/26/16 06:15 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I wonder how many people are naive enough to believe that a man who has unabashedly and consistently lied about pretty much everything to pretty much everybody has suddenly seen the error in his ways and disavowed the hard-line hatred and bigotry he's been spewing for so long...

My guess is that the epiphany will be short-lived, because the attitude is too deep-seated.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/27/16 05:39 PM

If one can judge Trump by his supporters, here's a doozy: Maine Governor Paul LePage criticised for 'racist' remarks. According to Wikipedia, Governor Page has endorsed Donald Trump.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/28/16 07:16 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
If one can judge Trump by his supporters, here's a doozy: Maine Governor Paul LePage criticised for 'racist' remarks.

The kinds of people that Trump attracts certainly are one way to judge him. Another is his continuing use of tragedy to promote his political agenda.

It may leave only one question unanswered: "Is there anything that is beneath Donald Trump?"
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/28/16 02:30 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
It may leave only one question unanswered: "Is there anything that is beneath Donald Trump?"

It sure ain't Hillary. tongue
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/29/16 04:56 PM

Not that I feel the slightest bit of sympathy for Ann Coulter, but this, is an interesting take on her new book.

Edit: But I'll have to give credit where it's due if she actually sat through this without losing her composure.

Edit 2: Peyton Manning screwed up by likening Coulter to a Triple Crown winner rather than a horse that finished down the track.

Edit 3: He could have rectified his error by identifying the winning horse as "American Pariah".
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/30/16 01:15 AM

And now for a little (more) levity ...

The Pope and Trump were on the same stage in Yankee Stadium in front of a huge crowd.
The Pope leaned toward Trump and said, "Do you know that with one little wave of my hand I can make every person in this crowd go wild with joy? This joy will not be a momentary display but will go deep into their hearts and they'll forever speak of this day and rejoice."
Trump replied, "I seriously doubt that! With one little wave of your hand .... Show me!"
So the Pope backhanded him and knocked him off the stage!
AND THE CROWD ROARED AND CHEERED WILDLY, and there was happiness throughout the land.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/30/16 01:39 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
And now for a little (more) levity ...

The Pope and Trump were on the same stage in Yankee Stadium in front of a huge crowd.
The Pope leaned toward Trump and said, "Do you know that with one little wave of my hand I can make every person in this crowd go wild with joy? This joy will not be a momentary display but will go deep into their hearts and they'll forever speak of this day and rejoice."
Trump replied, "I seriously doubt that! With one little wave of your hand .... Show me!"
So the Pope backhanded him and knocked him off the stage!
AND THE CROWD ROARED AND CHEERED WILDLY, and there was happiness throughout the land.

And the next day Trump tweeted that the Pope hits like a nun (Hey, they dress kinda like Muslims. Are they really Catholic?), and he took a beautiful dive to make him look good in front of the suckers who believe that he, not Donald Trump, is infallible, and the old bastard (who he's heard was actually born Jewish and shouldn't be Pope in the first place) didn't even thank him for the favor...SAD!
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 08/30/16 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
And the next day Trump tweeted that the Pope hits like a nun (Hey, they dress kinda like Muslims. Are they really Catholic?), and he took a beautiful dive to make him look good in front of the suckers who believe that he, not Donald Trump, is infallible, and the old bastard (who he's heard was actually born Jewish and shouldn't be Pope in the first place) didn't even thank him for the favor...SAD!

Hahahahahaha….
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/01/16 08:06 AM

More endorsements for Trump: Pariahs For Donald Trump
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/01/16 04:27 PM

Those Trump endorsers really underscore the old Mexican proverb that Hillary Clinton quoted in her recent alt-right speech: “Tell me with whom you walk, and I will tell you who you are.”
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/03/16 01:36 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I wonder how many people are naive enough to believe that a man who has unabashedly and consistently lied about pretty much everything to pretty much everybody has suddenly seen the error in his ways and disavowed the hard-line hatred and bigotry he's been spewing for so long….

It turns out we have simply not been intuitive enough. Following Trump's visit to the Great Faith Ministries church in Detroit this morning, surrogate Ben Carson responded (well, sort of) to a reporter's questions about specific things Trump has previously said.

Mr. Carson often prefaced his answers with: "If you listened to what Donald was actually saying….". Huh?

So that's the answer. Mr Trump doesn't say what he actually means….and the problem is us, because we haven't been divining his ramblings correctly. Well, that makes things easier because, even before we figure out what Trump is "actually saying", we can at least conclude that his words mean something else.

That'll be helpful for the congregation this morning who heard Trump talk about a new "civil rights agenda for our time".
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/03/16 03:57 PM

Trump needs to have Katrina Pierson with him wherever he goes to do simultaneous translation, so, like at the UN, people can wear headphones and hear what he's "actually" saying in "their own language".
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/07/16 04:41 AM

I just heard that Trump has said he will release his income tax statements after Hillary releases "all 90,000 deleted emails". How exactly do you release something that's been deleted? Sounds like he wants to offer a cookie with no intention of delivering.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/07/16 05:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Sounds like he wants to offer a cookie with no intention of delivering.

For sure. It's most likely Trump doesn't want the average taxpayer to find out that he's one of those rich people who Warren Buffett derided for having a lower tax rate than their secretaries.

On the other hand, according to Time Magazine: "In 2015, Clinton paid a federal tax rate of 34.2% and a New York state rate of 9% for a total effective tax rate of 43.2%. Her tax rate has been above 40% every year since she left the state department in 2013."

…which generates another question for Trump: "So, Donald, what's the real reason you won't divulge your tax returns?"
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/07/16 02:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
I just heard that Trump has said he will release his income tax statements after Hillary releases "all 90,000 deleted emails". How exactly do you release something that's been deleted? Sounds like he wants to offer a cookie with no intention of delivering.

He's just playing his usual "it's Hillary's fault" game, which appeals only to the people who've been in his pocket from jump street and offers nothing to anybody else, and who knows...his recalcitrance and the resultant conjecture may ultimately hurt him more than whatever his tax returns might reveal, because he's leaving himself wide open to attack during the debates.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/07/16 04:55 PM

Other than mainstream reputable news sources (which do not include Fox), the only interpretive "news" show worth watching is The Daily Show with Trevor Noah on Comedy Central. It could keep you on the straight (or strait) and narrow.
It's all humbug. Bah. (Or baa.)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/08/16 07:19 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Other than mainstream reputable news sources (which do not include Fox), the only interpretive "news" show worth watching is The Daily Show with Trevor Noah on Comedy Central.

Or. if you're looking for data and analysis on-line, this is a pretty useful site.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/12/16 03:24 PM

25 Logical Reasons to Vote for Donald Trump
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/12/16 04:22 PM

Great site, Artie! I agree with all 25 reasons. grin
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/13/16 05:42 PM

I'll bet they could have made it 3 Logical Reasons to Vote for Donald Trump….and still been stumped.
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/13/16 08:32 PM

Artie505, the website you referenced is down. Server overload?

So, Hillary Clinton has "Pneumonia" but I think it's only fair to assume that someone her age shaking so many hands was vaccinated against everything. She got faint from the heat (It was 78 degrees.) Hmmm, I recall a few years back when she was Secretary of State she was unable to do her job any longer. The explanation was that she "hit her head." Tim Caine has openly stated he doesn't want to be President so she picked him to run for Vice President (huh?). And her husband repealed Glass-Steagyl, leading to the financial crisis.

The Donald. In addition to everything already discussed, now it's announced that his charity paid the Florida Attorney General to drop charges against Trump University. (The charity also paid $20,000 for a six foot portrait of him.)

Pretty grim.

Note: Neither candidate is releasing financial statements for their charities so their personal tax returns are meaningless.

Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/13/16 09:52 PM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
Artie505, the website you referenced is down. Server overload?

Either it was down but is back up now or you didn't allow it to run its course.

Originally Posted By: slolerner
Note: Neither candidate is releasing financial statements for their charities so their personal tax returns are meaningless.

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Financial statements for charitable organizations are public record, and what have they got to do with personal returns, anyhow?
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/13/16 10:54 PM

Source of undeclared income.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/13/16 11:24 PM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
Source of undeclared income.

I don't follow that at all.

In my experience, one has nothing to do with the other, so what undeclared income?
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/13/16 11:36 PM

I think there are ways to achieve personal monetary rewards from running a charity. Maybe, just maybe now, they don't declare the income because it is indirect. I think all the ferver about Trump may be blinding people to the fact that Clinton is a deeply flawed candidate as well, Edit: just in more subtle ways.

The only outcome I'm hoping for is the Party takes Hillary out of the running. Her numbers are dropping precipitously with what now seem to be real health concerns. Maybe there is still a chance for Bernie Sanders.

Edit: I guess I didn't mean releasing financial records but the mere fact that someone is administering a charity makes their true income harder to know.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/14/16 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
I think there are ways to achieve personal monetary rewards from running a charity. Maybe, just maybe now, they don't declare the income because it is indirect.

Those who run charities are under close scrutiny by both IRS and watchdogs, income is income and is reportable, and under-the-table money is fraud, so I dunno.

Originally Posted By: slolerner
I think all the ferver about Trump may be blinding people to the fact that Clinton is a deeply flawed candidate as well.

The only outcome I'm hoping for is the Party takes Hillary out of the running. Her numbers are dropping precipitously with what now seem to be real health concerns. Maybe there is still a chance for Bernie Sanders.

I don't think anybody has forgotten that Hillary is a deeply flawed candidate; after all, she's the 2nd most hated presidential candidate in history. She's just had the incredibly good fortune to be running against a #1 who is even more hated, far more deeply flawed...and dangerous, to boot.

Trump doesn't like America and wants to change it in dictatorial fashion! (NEVER forget Harv's sig: Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire)

I'm not familiar with the processes that might be invoked to remove Hillary from the race nor do think it's likely to happen unless she does it herself, in which case I think the nod would go to Caine, but considering the fight she had to put up just to get past Bernie in the first place, I think her health and resilience are pretty good; Trump laughed his way to the convention.

I think Hillary's problem (and I've emailed her campaign) is that her restrained, "professional" (for lack of a better word) campaign is failing to get her message to the considerable portion of the electorate that watches reality shows and reads the National Inquirer (if they read anything at all).

Trump's "message" is chipping into Hillary's vulnerable support layer while hers isn't even reaching his.

Either she or some PAC needs to begin doing some serious sniping and outright ridiculing...real fast! (Think back to Stevenson - Eisenhower and the "too intellectual" knock on Adlai.)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/14/16 01:02 AM

Originally Posted By: slolerner
Hmmm, I recall a few years back when she was Secretary of State she was unable to do her job any longer. The explanation was that she "hit her head."

As reported by the New York Times, the statement from her Doctors at the time was: "Secretary Clinton developed a stomach virus, leading to extreme dehydration, and subsequently fainted. Over the course of this week we evaluated her and ultimately determined she had also sustained a concussion. We recommended that the Secretary continue to rest and avoid any strenuous activity, and strongly advised her to cancel all work events for the coming week."

Also reported by the New York Times, rather than leave her job undone, Secretary Clinton chose to continue serving the American people by working from home.
Posted by: slolerner

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/14/16 04:14 AM

I stand corrected.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/17/16 08:22 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
NEVER forget Harv's sig: Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire

And once again the Republicans' chief bozo makes an off-handed comment that incites violence against Hillary Clinton.

This morning I watched a Trump surrogate suggest that "he was joking". Some joke.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/22/16 12:46 PM

Shortly after the election, President Trump is in a rare contemplative mood. He takes a walk in the Mall in the capital.

As he passes the Washington Monument, he senses the presence of George Washington. He says, "Mr. Washington, please tell me what to do." Washington replies, "Abolish the IRS."

Trump then walks by the Jefferson Memorial. He senses the presence of Thomas Jefferson and asks, "What should I do?" Jefferson replies, "Abolish Social Security and Medicare."

Continuing his sojourn, he passes the Lincoln Memorial and senses the presence of Abraham Lincoln. Again he asks, "What should I do?" Lincoln replies, "Take the evening off. Go to the theater."
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/22/16 05:37 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
"Take the evening off. Go to the theater."

Don't wait, Mr. Trump….do it now.
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/23/16 10:18 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
"Take the evening off. Go to the theater."

Don't wait, Mr. Trump….do it now.


Careful. There was justifiable outrage when Trump encouraged his Second Amendment (gun rights) supporters to do something to Clinton because of her possible future appointments to the Supreme Court. Don't make the same mistake here. smirk
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/24/16 08:18 AM

Here ye be — The New York Times endorsement: Hillary Clinton for President
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/24/16 09:16 AM

Thanks. I look forward to Monday's editorial wherein they will explain "….why we believe Mr. Trump to be the worst nominee put forward by a major party in modern American history."
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/24/16 09:28 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Here ye be — The New York Times endorsement: Hillary Clinton for President

Originally Posted By: NY Times
TIMELINE
New York Times Endorsements Through the Ages
A collection of The Times’s endorsements for the presidency, from Abraham Lincoln in 1860 through the editorial board’s choice of President Obama this year. (Emphasis added)

This year? crazy
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/24/16 12:13 PM

I don't believe the Houston Chronicle has supported a Democratic candidate for President since reconstruction and they have come out in favor of Hillary Clinton. The Dallas Morning Snooze News isn't quite as pro-Republican as their neighbor to the South, Houston, but in the reddest of red states they too have endorsed Hillary.

In spite of that, a lot of my progressive friends, who are convinced that Hillary will lose big in Texas, are planning to vote for
Click to reveal..
Gary Johnson and William Weld.
These progressive voters in no way support their party's platform, but cannot bring themselves to vote for either Hillary or "The Donald" but like the them as individuals.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/25/16 04:15 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
...a lot of my progressive friends, who are convinced that Hillary will lose big in Texas, are planning to vote for
Click to reveal..
Gary Johnson and William Weld.
These progressive voters in no way support their party's platform, but cannot bring themselves to vote for either Hillary or "The Donald" but like the them as individuals.

Could they bring themselves to vote for Hillary if the Texas race gets really tight as it threatens to maybe do? (This is hardly the year in which to allow a protest vote to get in the way of reality.)
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/25/16 01:32 PM

I realize that most of us have TV reception but I'm an exception. I killed my cable subscription several years ago because I refused to watch the garbage that was being broadcast. In view of the importance of the presidential debates, I was feeling sorry about that.

For those who, like me, are without TV, you can access the debates at https://www.c-span.org I'll be glued to my computer screen.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/25/16 03:17 PM

I'm in the same situation as you, Jon, and I was already aware that the debates can be viewed on line, but I still haven't convinced myself that I want to watch.

I fear that the moderation is going to be so poor that I'll be liable to throw my MBP through the window.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/25/16 05:58 PM

If they haven't already voted by mail — absolutely YES. Texas has spent millions of taxpayer dollars losing not one but two federal lawsuits over voter identification requirements that were designed to make it as difficult as possible for African-americans, Asian-americans, hispanic-americans. and any other hyphenated-americans to vote. However, if you are a registered voter all that you have to do to vote by mail is send in a form (it can be done on-line) saying you plan to be out of town on Election Day or you are 65 years old or older and you will receive a ballot, a ballot envelope, and a return envelope by mail without ever having provided proof of citizenship.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/26/16 02:04 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
I look forward to Monday's editorial wherein they will explain "... why we believe Mr. Trump to be the worst nominee put forward by a major party in modern American history."

You wanted it. You got it.

Why Donald Trump Should Not Be President
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/26/16 09:13 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Texas has spent millions of taxpayer dollars losing not one but two federal lawsuits over voter identification requirements...

However, if you are a registered voter all that you have to do to vote by mail is send in a form ... without ever having provided proof of citizenship.

It’s rather ironic that many conservatives think that ID issues with physical voting is an important source of voter fraud in this day and age. So far, however, not a single in-depth investigation anywhere has found that it is. But, as you rightly notice, strict ID requirements are proven to disenfranchise the poor and various minorities very effectively.

In marked contrast, absentee voting systems are wide open to massive and cheap fraud, as in many cases all that’s needed is ID info that’s floating around on the internet by the hundreds of millions (e.g., from the latest Yahoo hack). Interestingly, I haven’t heard much if anything about that from the ‘concerned’ electorate.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/27/16 05:21 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
….I was already aware that the debates can be viewed on line, but I still haven't convinced myself that I want to watch.

If you chose not to watch, you can always have a look at NPR's annotated and fact-checked transcipt.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/27/16 06:43 AM

I did skip the debate, ryck, but I've already done some reading, although not the particular doc to which you linked. Thanks for the link, though.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/27/16 08:53 AM

Originally Posted By: alternaut
It’s rather ironic that many conservatives think that ID issues with physical voting is an important source of voter fraud in this day and age. So far, however, not a single in-depth investigation anywhere has found that it is. But, as you rightly notice, strict ID requirements are proven to disenfranchise the poor and various minorities very effectively.

I disagree that conservatives "think that ID issues with physical voting is an important source of voter fraud" I think that for too many it is just a thinly veiled attempt to disenfranchise anyone they consider to not be like them — white, late middle aged or older, and at least here in Texas, clinging to the illusion they are still the majority when in truth there is no social, racial, ethnic, nationality, that has 50% or more of the states population. (The is one majority group, Straight, but the vast majority is not concerned about that any more.)

Originally Posted By: alternaut
In marked contrast, absentee voting systems are wide open to massive and cheap fraud, as in many cases all that’s needed is ID info that’s floating around on the internet by the hundreds of millions (e.g., from the latest Yahoo hack). Interestingly, I haven’t heard much if anything about that from the ‘concerned’ electorate.

However, given right wing 2d Amendment advocates and Trump supporters are promising openly armed patrols around polling places in "suspect" neighborhoods (read that as "minority") supposedly outside of the "no electioneering" zone but placed to screen anyone arriving at the polls on Election Day, mail balloting is a d#$% sight safer. It has crossed my mind that if those threats are carried out the entire election in the state could be ruled illegal. The Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Attorney General (all three are fighting criminal indictments) might like that. It would give them the excuse they want to secede from the Union. Of course any legal right Texas had to do that was signed away with the terms of surrender at the end of the Civil War, but they conveniently overlook that fact.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/28/16 11:07 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Shortly after the election, President Trump is in a rare contemplative mood….

Meanwhile, a man died and went to Heaven. As he stood in front of the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, "What are all those clocks for?"



St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone who has ever been on earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you tell a lie, the hands on your clock move."



"Oh", said the man. "Whose clock is that?"



"That's Mother Teresa's", replied St. Peter. "The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie."



"Incredible", said the man. "And whose clock is that one?"



St. Peter responded, "That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abraham told only two lies in his entire life."



"Where's Donald Trump's clock?" asked the man.



St. Peter replied, "We're using it as a ceiling fan."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/01/16 02:54 AM

Gail Collins, op-ed columnist, reviews Election Day choices ... choices ... choices ...

How Could Anyone Vote for Trump?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/01/16 11:35 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Gail Collins, op-ed columnist, reviews Election Day choices ...[/url]


Really like this analogy: "...you certainly can’t argue that Donald Trump doesn’t represent change. We’re just hoping people realize it’s the kind of change you get if you decide to remove the trash by driving a bulldozer through the kitchen."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/02/16 01:59 AM

Trump Tax Records Reveal He Could Have Avoided Paying Taxes for Years

• The Times obtained records from 1995 that show that Donald J. Trump declared a loss of $916 million.
• A tax deduction so large could have allowed him to legally avoid paying any federal income taxes for up to 18 years, experts say.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/02/16 01:24 PM

Lewis Carroll must have had this election in mind when he wrote Alice In Wonderland.
Ten times Trump shamed others on tax
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/04/16 12:31 PM

Alice in Wonderland, indeed.

BloombergView editor Timothy O’Brien is one of the few people who has seen Donald Trump’s tax returns. “While I can’t write specifically about what I saw, I can say that the returns would give voters useful and tangible insights into Trump’s actual track record as a businessman, philanthropist and taxpayer.

But Trump has chosen not to release his returns, And I doubt he ever will, because they would reveal that the career he boasts so much about is built on sand.”

More from BloombergView here.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/04/16 01:38 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
“While I can’t write specifically about what I saw, I can say that the returns would give voters useful and tangible insights into Trump’s actual track record as a businessman, philanthropist and taxpayer.

I'll take that as explicit!
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/04/16 02:01 PM

You want explicit? You got it! Donald Trump’s Business Decisions in ’80s Nearly Led Him to Ruin
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/07/16 03:46 PM

And now there's a new spelling for vulgar: T - R - U - M - P
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/07/16 06:18 PM

In the long-form documentary "Requiem for the American Dream" (73 minutes) Noam Chomsky "exposes with searing clarity the forces and policies behind the coordinated campaign to concentrate wealth and power in the hands of a select few" [from package blurb].
(More commentary under Movies to see.)

His commentary on American elections — on selling the juice without the fruit, so to speak — is particularly relevant in the current environment.

Does this strike a chord?

The majority (70%) of the population has no way of influencing public policy and it knows it.
"What it's led to is a population that's angry, frustrated, hates institutions. It's not acting constructively to try to respond to this. There is popular mobilization and activism, but in very self-destructive directions. It's taking the form of unfocused anger, attacks on one another, and on vulnerable targets. That's what happens in cases like this. It is corrosive of social relations, but that's the point. The point is to make people hate and fear each other, and look out only for themselves, and don't do anything for anyone else."
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/08/16 06:13 AM

This morning Trump came out with a brief message that sounds like he's going to address his latest vulgar remarks with a defense along the lines of: "But Bill's worse." To me, that makes the debate tomorrow essential viewing.

The debate is not going to be two candidates behind podia answering questions from a moderator - it's a Town Hall format. There will be ordinary, undecided citizens asking their own questions in a sort of Theatre in the Round. Given that Trump has already "gone on the attack", it'll be interesting to see how this translates into debate tactics, and how those tactics are received by the citizens on the stage.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/08/16 11:47 AM

Apropos of that, remember that he "went easy on Hillary" in the first debate... supposedly not mentioning Bill because Chelsea was in the audience.

I can't imagine how he'll use Bill Clinton's actions to either justify or even dignify his own.

You're right, though; it will be interesting (and maybe I'll even force myself to watch).
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/08/16 12:38 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I can't imagine how he'll use Bill Clinton's actions to either justify or even dignify his own.

I'm still trying to figure out the Trump logic that something he said 10 years ago doesn't matter because it was "10 years ago" but the actions of a person 25 years ago do matter.

Originally Posted By: artie505
You're right, though; it will be interesting (and maybe I'll even force myself to watch).

Separate from the content, the Town Hall aspect will prove very interesting. It's a format that requires a particular set of skills, which I don't believe Trump has but Clinton does.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/08/16 12:48 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
I'm still trying to figure out the Trump logic that something he said 10 years ago doesn't matter because it was "10 years ago" but the actions of a person 25 years ago do matter.

You just haven't been paying attention; that logic is fully in keeping with his logic about everything he's ever said or done.

Edit: The sad (and I hope not ultimately unfortunate) fact of the matter is that Trump just can't be judged in the same context as a well-balanced, emotionally stable person.

Edit 2: Yeah, I'm gonna indulge my masochistic tendencies and watch. frown
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/08/16 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
…...that logic is fully in keeping with his logic about everything he's ever said or done.

Hmmmm….perhaps the error has been in using the term 'logic', which usually assumes some sort of rational thought process.

Originally Posted By: artie505
Yeah, I'm gonna indulge my masochistic tendencies and watch. frown

Don't worry…it'll be worthwhile viewing. Just be sure to have a big bowl of popcorn.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/08/16 05:17 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
…...that logic is fully in keeping with his logic about everything he's ever said or done.

Hmmmm….perhaps the error has been in using the term 'logic', which usually assumes some sort of rational thought process.

Nope!

"Logic" is half of a hyphenated word, and what precedes the hyphen, "twisted", perhaps, in Trump's case governs.

Edit: The man simply hasn't got the moral fibre to ever admit that he's made a mistake (OK, the "ransom" video), so he twists everything around to make it right in his own head.

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
Yeah, I'm gonna indulge my masochistic tendencies and watch. frown

Don't worry…it'll be worthwhile viewing. Just be sure to have a big bowl of popcorn.

Oh, I'm sure it will be more fun than a barrel full of monkeys, but it also may cause me more aggravation than I'm inclined to want to deal with.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/08/16 05:54 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I can't imagine how he'll use Bill Clinton's actions to either justify or even dignify his own.

It'll be interesting to see how he'll try to dignify his comments, like these from the Howard Stern Show…..comments that CNN would not air because they are too vulgar for television.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/08/16 06:23 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
I can't imagine how he'll use Bill Clinton's actions to either justify or even dignify his own.

It'll be interesting to see how he'll try to dignify his comments, like these from the Howard Stern Show…..comments that CNN would not air because they are too vulgar for television.

He's already apologized by citing Bill Clinton, and I doubt that he'll back down on that any more than he backs down on anything else.

And Melania has said that she hopes people have accepted his apology which, I think, ranks her right up there in the stupidity charts with Katrina Pierson.

Both should learn when to keep their mouths shut.

I wonder how Ivanka and her husband can even face the other congregants at Shabbos services and what they'll atone for on Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement).
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/09/16 07:05 AM

Here's a quick laugh to cheer everyone up prior to the debate today. It's the first time Carly Simon has ever allowed You're So Vain to be used in political advertising.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/09/16 10:28 AM

Did you catch the changed line, i.e. "Your scarf face, it was apricot"? grin laugh
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/09/16 12:50 PM

No…I missed it (although I will say it's a great edit). Good one, thanks for the catch….it gave me a second real guffaw from the video. The first was the fourth graphic in the line "And all the girls dreamed that they'd be your partner, they'd be your partner….". laugh laugh
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/09/16 03:18 PM

This Far Side cartoon just popped into my head.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/09/16 10:05 PM

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I got the weirdest feeling that Trump had a bead in his ear and was being coached or, at the least, had someone tugging on his reins. crazy
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/10/16 06:18 AM

I hadn't thought that and, while it's the kind of thing I wouldn't put past him, I don't think Trump would take anyone's advice…even delivered right in his ear. This is a person who absolutely, in any situation, thinks he's the smartest person in the room.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/10/16 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
I hadn't thought that and, while it's the kind of thing I wouldn't put past him, I don't think Trump would take anyone's advice…even delivered right in his ear. This is a person who absolutely, in any situation, thinks he's the smartest person in the room.

Well, then, if he cut his final answer short immediately after complementing Hillary without coaching as opposed to her having gone on to promote herself after saying virtually nothing complimentary about him he - in a sense - gets the "Class Act Of The Night" award...if nothing else.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/13/16 06:08 AM

The athletes who are tarred with Trump's attempt to dismiss his vulgarity as "locker room banter" clearly have much more "class" than Trump. To use the words of former NBA player John Amaechi who played from 1995 to 2003 for the Cavaliers, Jazz, and Magic:

"We had conversations that were about politics, that were about the systemic racism, were about the tax advantages of living in Florida as an athlete. These things came first. These were the things that we talked about.

Whether in our locker room or in our planes flying across the country, never once did I hear an athlete talk about how they had abused somebody and certainly not with the kind of gleeful pride we heard from Trump."
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/13/16 07:30 AM

Oh, Trump's got absolutely NO class; he merely seized a golden moment and looked good and scored big in doing so.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/13/16 10:46 AM

Never did the term "douche bag" apply so perfectly, both literally (a small syringe for douching the vagina, esp. as a contraceptive measure) and metaphorically (a loathsome or contemptible person), as it does to Señor Hitler.
If Obama and Clinton smell like sulfur, he must smell like fetid perineal effluvium. frown mad Blech!
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/13/16 03:46 PM

This political cartoon says it all: Chapatte on Donald Trump and Lady Liberty
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/13/16 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
This political cartoon says it all: Chapatte on Donald Trump and Lady Liberty

Waaaay too tame, especially given the latest revelations from those he's accosted over the years.
For one, the groping should probably be from the front. For another, he should probably be in serious lip-lock.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/13/16 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Waaaay too mild, especially given the latest revelations from those he's accosted over the years.

The upper house of the NSW state parliament in Australia was a bit stronger. They unanimously carried a motion condemning Trump for his for ‘misogynistic, hateful’ comments and, in the motion, they referred to Trump as "…a revolting slug unfit for office."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/14/16 03:56 AM

Scary and thoroughly depressing:
Even if Trump supporters have a normal IQ, they by and large have mentalities of toadstools. This is no more evident than in the streeters (off-the-cuff interviews) at Trump rallies where they demonstrate little, if any, rationale (cogent or otherwise) for their professed intention to vote for Señor Hitler, no matter what.
All the news outlets regularly feature such streeters, but the best presentations often come from quasi-news programs, such as The Daily Show with Trevor Noah — and I strongly recommend watching last night's edition (which you can find streaming on Comedy Central). Absolutely mind-boggling!

EDIT: I've been advised that Comedy Central streaming directly via the Internet might not be available in certain Canadian jurisdictions. It may be available on one of the subscription services, such as Netflix or Crave (although I don't have a clue in that regard).
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/14/16 04:56 AM

If anyone wanted proof that Trump is paranoid, read US election 2016: Transcript of Trump speech denying groping. This may be the first time he has ever failed at bullying because, in the past, he has been able to exert financial pressure on his victims. He has no such leverage on either the Democrats or the NY Times. Despite flaws in press coverage, the Founding Fathers were very wise in making freedom of the press the first of the amendments in the Bill of Rights.

Trump doesn't know how to handle people who won't be bullied.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/14/16 06:28 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Trump doesn't know how to handle people who won't be bullied.

Good point.

He's currently making noises about lawsuits but my guess is that they're hollow threats. Trump must know that lawsuits would have no effect on the election outcome because they couldn't even get to the discovery stage before the election date has passed. Meanwhile he would have spent a pile of money on his expensive lawyers.
Posted by: freelance

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/14/16 08:21 AM

I watched Michelle Obama's New Hampshire speech in full. Very reasoned, very articulate, very powerful.

I don't know how any Trump supporter could hear that speech and not hang their heads.

Obama for President! laugh
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/14/16 08:43 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Trump doesn't know how to handle people who won't be bullied.

Good point.

He's currently making noises about lawsuits but my guess is that they're hollow threats. Trump must know that lawsuits would have no effect on the election outcome because they couldn't even get to the discovery stage before the election date has passed. Meanwhile he would have spent a pile of money on his expensive lawyers.

He'll sue, and he won't even care if his suits ultimately fail!

His history is that he's just plain litigious and is happy even if he loses as long as it costs someone else time, money, and emotional energy.

It's his way of bullying those who won't be bullied.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/14/16 12:31 PM

Originally Posted By: freelance
I watched Michelle Obama's New Hampshire speech in full. Very reasoned, very articulate, very powerful.

I did too, and I agree. It was extremely powerful. When she described the discomfort women feel when men make rude comments, stare, move in too close I thought about how widespread that effect has become.

I can think of more than a few instances when I have been on an elevator, for example, with a woman I didn't know. Sometimes you can sense the tension yourself and you just know the woman is made uncomfortable, perhaps even frightened, simply by being alone with a strange man. What a dreadful commentary on our times.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/14/16 02:47 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
He'll sue, and he won't even care if his suits ultimately fail!

His history is that he's just plain litigious and is happy even if he loses as long as it costs someone else time, money, and emotional energy.

It's his way of bullying those who won't be bullied.

Between Trumps posturing, his veiled and not so veiled threats, and his encouragement of his stalwarts to post armed patrols at polling places in low income neighborhoods to "prevent voter fraud" (a.k.a. any vote cast by blacks, hispanics, or Democrats of any race) I have to wonder if he is not hoping to at least create a constitutional crises if he loses. Certainly he and his surrogates are doing their best to do that here in Texas. As a result there are more registered voters and a higher percentage of registered voters in the state's history and some polls are saying the margin between Trump and Clinton is less than the confidence interval in the statistics.

The state attorney general would be certain to contest the results of any close election in Texas if Clinton should win, but he will be pretty busy with his own trial on criminal fraud and perjury so he may let it go.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/14/16 03:19 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
...I have to wonder if he is not hoping to at least create a constitutional crises if he loses.

He could, indeed, and it looks like he intends to, cause a Constitutional crisis by challenging the results in close states...that on top of his apparently forthcoming refusal to concede to Hillary should she win. (Or he could cause an entirely different kind of Constitutional crisis if his efforts to prevent people from voting result in Hillary's challenging the results in specific districts, if not entire states.)

But crisis or not, if he refuses to concede if Hillary wins she'll be a VERY embattled President and America will be a VERY divided country from day one.

And that first "if" should probably be read as "when".

Edit: Y'know, I'll amend that by saying that his intentions may not be malevolent as they appear to be...that he and everything he says and does may simply be "innocent" byproducts of his egomaniacal inability to ever admit that he's been wrong...or lost.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/16/16 05:23 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Lewis Carroll must have had this election in mind when he wrote Alice In Wonderland.

And it gets a bit more like that every day. Now we have Trump suggesting that Hillary must have been on performance-enhancing drugs in the last debate.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/16/16 05:26 AM

Let's imagine that an ordinary citizen (i.e. not Donald Trump) was raving that there is an international conspiracy to elect Clinton and that she was on drugs during the debate. His relatives would probably move to have him committed for psychiatric observation.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/16/16 03:26 PM

The lengths to which Trump will go to convince himself that he didn't lose fair and square or that he didn't just plain screw up (and not just in this particular instance) continue to astonish me.

The interesting thing about this latest dumb-ass skata, though, is that because both Trump and Hillary are at an age at which doctors begin prescribing drugs (regardless of whether their patients actually need them), both of them may be taking substances that are verboten in the sports world, but for other than performance-enhancing reasons.

Do you thinks he's insightful enough to have run his own blood through a lab before making this latest preposterous accusation?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/16/16 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Do you think he's insightful enough to have run his own blood through a lab before making this latest preposterous accusation?

Nope….but his handlers would have been.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/16/16 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
Do you think he's insightful enough to have run his own blood through a lab before making this latest preposterous accusation?

Nope….but his handlers would have been.

You're giving Trump credit for foresight!

I'll guess that his impetuosity and hair-trigger mouth make it unlikely that his handlers even knew he was contemplating it before they heard it from the media.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/16/16 04:48 PM

I don't have TV so I missed SNL's spoof of the debate, but look at Trump calls SNL spoof ‘hit job,’ calls for end of show and follow the link to the actual spoof. It's hilarious.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/16/16 05:32 PM

Not that I'm an Alec Baldwin fan under any circumstances, but I've got to agree with Trump that his portrayal of him did "stink".

I found the SNL segment so annoying, both the portrayals of Trump and Hillary and the grotesque (what I considered failed attempts at) "humor" (I won't even credit it with having qualified as farce!), that I closed the window after two or three minutes.

I'd love to see how Dan Aykroyd and Gilda Radner would have addressed the subject.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/16/16 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
You're giving Trump credit for foresight!

Nope. Absolutely not. I was giving his handlers credit for foresight.

If I gave the impression that I think Trump is capable of foresight, allow me to make the record crystal clear: I don't believe Donald Trump is capable of anything even approaching rational thought.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/16/16 05:36 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
You're giving Trump credit for foresight!

Nope. Absolutely not. I was giving his handlers credit for foresight.

If I gave the impression that I think Trump is capable of foresight, allow me to make the record crystal clear: I don't think Donald Trump is capable of anything even approaching rational thought.

You're contradicting yourself.

If he apprised his handlers, it would have been an example of the very foresight of which you're saying he's incapable.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/16/16 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505

You're contradicting yourself.

If he apprised his handlers, it would have been an example of the very foresight of which you're saying he's incapable.

Nope again. I'd only be contradicting myself if I was to presume that the idea originated with Trump. I don't presume so because:

1) there is no way to know for sure.
2) Trump has people among his handlers who are whacky enough to come up with such an absurd idea. Rudy Giuliani comes to mind.

At any rate, your question was:

Originally Posted By: artie505
Do you think he's insightful enough to have run his own blood through a lab before making this latest preposterous accusation?

So, once again, allow me to make the record crystal clear: I don't believe Donald Trump is capable of anything even approaching rational thought.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/16/16 07:14 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Nope again. I'd only be contradicting myself if I was to presume that the idea originated with Trump. I don't presume so because:

1) there is no way to know for sure.
2) Trump has people among his handlers who are whacky enough to come up with such an absurd idea. Rudy Giuliani comes to mind

Had that ben clear from the get-go we wouldn't be here now.

I assumed, and continue to think, that the idea originated with Trump, himself.

I think it's so far-fetched and preposterous that nobody but he would have even considered floating it to rationalize his loss a full week after the debate.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/17/16 05:41 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Had that ben clear from the get-go we wouldn't be here now.

Oh well, I guess I'll go stand in the corner for half an hour.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/17/16 06:11 AM


And now we learn that Donald Trump doesn't even know when the election is being held. Har har har.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/17/16 10:53 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
Had that been clear from the get-go we wouldn't be here now.

Oh well, I guess I'll go stand in the corner for half an hour.

Don't wear a pointy cap; you could be mistaken for a Trump supporter. frown

It's just that it never occurred to me that you questioned that wild insinuation's origins, and I posted without ever having entertained the possibility that anyone other than Trump, himself, originated it; we were coming at each other from opposite directions.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/16 02:39 AM

The New York Times Election Forecast: Hillary Clinton has a 91% chance of winning. (See homepage at www.nytimes.com)

The blue bar (with Clinton's name on the left) now extends into Trump's red bar on the right, such that it covers Tr, leaving only ump; previously, at 89%, it extended through the T, leaving rump. Pretty soon it'll likely cover everything but p (reflecting the soiling of the American process).

It's probably best if everyone gets out there and votes for Señor Hitler. The sooner everyone bites the bullet, the sooner martial law and other Duterte-style societal benefits can be imposed, and joy will return to Mudville. As they say: Get with the pogrom! tongue

Ah, yes, the sweet, sweet smell of carnivore crap! crazy
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/16 02:48 AM

I wonder if there's a (I'll call it) Goldwater (because I don't remember the other guy's name) effect, i.e. people lying to pollsters because they're embarrassed to admit that they're going to vote for Trump, going on?

And I also wonder if I should wonder "how big" rather than "if".

I don't remember where I saw it, but it was a heartening 62.8% Democratic chance of carrying the Senate. smile
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/16 03:10 AM

Let us all be reminded that the fat lady has not yet sung. "It ain't over till it's over." (the late great Yogi)
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/16 03:18 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Let us all be reminded that the fat lady has not yet sung. "It ain't over till it's over." (the late great Yogi)

And the aforementioned "effect" adds to the credibility of that uncertainty! frown
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/16 03:44 AM

Just when we needed a shot in the arm: Sympathetic Canadians Have a Message for Americans: You Guys Are Great. Let's hear it for our friends to the north.
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/16 03:46 AM


I believe you're referring to the Bradley effect.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/16 06:38 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Let's hear it for our friends to the north.

blush
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/16 06:46 AM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh

I believe you're referring to the Bradley effect.

I'm not certain whether I was referring to "Bradley" or "Wilder", but thanks for the link.

Edit: I now remember that when I ran across the phenomenon it was referred to as the Wilder effect, although Bradley was mentioned, as was Goldwater.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/21/16 03:43 PM

I am not, and never have been, a conspiracy theorist but today's apparently pointless DDoS attacks on social media sites through DYN got me to thinking...

What if today's series of DDoS attacks were a practice run of a plot to disrupt the United State's election? Today's electronic voting machines are notoriously insecure Voting Machines Are Scarily Easy Targets, By November Russian hackers could target voting machines, How To Hack an Election in 7 Minutes and returns from those voting machines too often rely on internet communications, Mr. Trump's oft repeated claimplaints of a rigged election may actually have some basis in fact. Although I would lay odds his assignment of blame is likely several thousand miles off target or he could be pointing his finger 180º in the wrong direction.

With all the known weaknesses in the system it would be almost too easy to completely disrupt the voting process and throw this country into a potential constitutional crises or, given the predilections of some (many?) of Mr. Trump's true believers, even worse.

This is one of the few times in my life I really really hope I am wrong. 😨
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/21/16 04:00 PM

I hope you're wrong, too!

But if it's apparent that the process has been compromised, we could easily avoid a crisis with an extremely inconvenient but redeeming 100% hand recount.

This is somewhat off target but pertinent nonetheless...

Five or so years ago there was a very close state level election in my district, and the hand recount mirrored the electronic count of the vote.

Given the new-fangledness of electronic voting machines at the time, I found that very heartening, although by no means a given.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/25/16 08:14 AM

And, in case it's possible that anyone still doesn't understand why Donald trump should never have the power that goes with being the U.S. President.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/25/16 09:02 AM

I don't think it's ever been pointed out that New York Military Academy, of which Trump is a graduate, is little more than reform school for juvenile delinquents whose daddies are rich enough to keep them out of real reform school.

Trump has been a thug forever!
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/25/16 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Trump has been a thug forever!

And, it would appear, his ravings about "dishonest media" have brought out the thuggery in others.
Posted by: tacit

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/25/16 07:56 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck

And, it would appear, his ravings about "dishonest media" have brought out the thuggery in others.


I am of two minds about the attacks on David French by racist D̛̞̞̟̼̘̦̏͆̇́̇͘͡͞ǫ̤̹̣̺̫̖̃̔͒̐͂͐͗̕͢͞ń̛̛̖͉̲̜̗̎̀̊̇̄͘͟͞ă̧̛̱͍̱͓̟̒̋͋̋͛̕͠l̠̭͖̪̦̠̝̩͐̑̀́͜͡d̘̖̤͎̙̐̐͊̉͡ T̵̨̜̤͖̱̂̾̈̈̍̇͠ͅr̡̘̱̫̻͇̰̳͙̣̈́͑̒̑̉̎̐͒͘̚ų̵̧̤͎̳̋́̋̀͆̋̆͋̕͠m̼͇̹̝̤̯̹̓̾̍͂̔̈͑́̕p̶̧̨̙̟͓͈͚̂̒̏͗͘͞ supporters.

On the one hand, nobody deserves the kind of abuse French and his family are being put through. It is absolutely vile and inexcusable.

On the other hand, this abuse that French is saying "I've never experienced anything like this before" about is something that a lot of people, especially progressive women and most especially progressive women who don't subscribe to traditional views about sex and relationship, experience all the time...and conservatives like French just scoff and say things like "it's not that big a deal" and "freedom of speech!"

I don't know why David French is surprised by the amount of hate he is being bombarded with. People on the left side of the political spectrum have been talking about this for years. It seems like prominent conservatives only understand it when it's directed at them, which to me speaks to an inability to listen to or empathize with other people.



Ḋ̵̪͇̟̣̪̞̜̽̊̃̒̾̾͒ō̴̧̨͔̺̺͕̿̐̍͋̂͆̀̊͞ͅń͉̬͈̺͙̼̣͓͈̦͑͆́̇͘͡͡ã̶̯͇͉̫̰͕̦̹͛̽͊͐̒̕͡l̟̗̙̱̦̍̓̌̎͋͒́̈͘͝d̸̰̭̟̠̟̔̈͋͊̋͑͟͝ Ť̸̨͍̱̥̳̂̿̑̐ŗ̸̧̡̗͙̬̜̪́̊̏̋́́̉̐̓͜ŭ̸̞̫̜͇̝̙͊̽̽͂m̙͔̪͍̻͓͋̆͂̒̑̓͝͞͠p̠̞͓̬̣̮͔̮͐̊́̈́́͘͜ͅ has brought out the worst in American politics. Maybe this is what it will take to make "mainstream" conservatives finally begin to understand what they have created.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/25/16 10:57 PM

Originally Posted By: tacit
Originally Posted By: ryck

And, it would appear, his ravings about "dishonest media" have brought out the thuggery in others.


I am of two minds about the attacks on David French by racist D̛̞̞̟̼̘̦̏͆̇́̇͘͡͞ǫ̤̹̣̺̫̖̃̔͒̐͂͐͗̕͢͞ń̛̛̖͉̲̜̗̎̀̊̇̄͘͟͞ă̧̛̱͍̱͓̟̒̋͋̋͛̕͠l̠̭͖̪̦̠̝̩͐̑̀́͜͡d̘̖̤͎̙̐̐͊̉͡ T̵̨̜̤͖̱̂̾̈̈̍̇͠ͅr̡̘̱̫̻͇̰̳͙̣̈́͑̒̑̉̎̐͒͘̚ų̵̧̤͎̳̋́̋̀͆̋̆͋̕͠m̼͇̹̝̤̯̹̓̾̍͂̔̈͑́̕p̶̧̨̙̟͓͈͚̂̒̏͗͘͞ supporters.

On the one hand, nobody deserves the kind of abuse French and his family are being put through. It is absolutely vile and inexcusable.

....

Ḋ̵̪͇̟̣̪̞̜̽̊̃̒̾̾͒ō̴̧̨͔̺̺͕̿̐̍͋̂͆̀̊͞ͅń͉̬͈̺͙̼̣͓͈̦͑͆́̇͘͡͡ã̶̯͇͉̫̰͕̦̹͛̽͊͐̒̕͡l̟̗̙̱̦̍̓̌̎͋͒́̈͘͝d̸̰̭̟̠̟̔̈͋͊̋͑͟͝ Ť̸̨͍̱̥̳̂̿̑̐ŗ̸̧̡̗͙̬̜̪́̊̏̋́́̉̐̓͜ŭ̸̞̫̜͇̝̙͊̽̽͂m̙͔̪͍̻͓͋̆͂̒̑̓͝͞͠p̠̞͓̬̣̮͔̮͐̊́̈́́͘͜ͅ has brought out the worst in American politics. Maybe this is what it will take to make "mainstream" conservatives finally begin to understand what they have created.

Trump has brought out the worst in America...period!!!

Is hope worth the effort?

(What on Earth are the artifacts in your post? There's more to see if you hit the "Quote" button.)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/26/16 05:27 AM

Originally Posted By: tacit
I don't know why David French is surprised by the amount of hate he is being bombarded with. People on the left side of the political spectrum have been talking about this for years.

I don't disagree at all, and neither did the black interviewer who said that the hateful actions "….were vile and reprehensible but….." and went on to make a similar point.

Originally Posted By: tacit
ō̴̧̨͔̺̺͕̿̐̍͋̂͆̀̊͞ͅń͉̬͈̺͙̼̣͓͈̦͑͆́̇͘͡͡ã̶̯͇͉̫̰͕̦̹͛̽͊͐̒̕͡l̟̗̙̱̦̍̓̌̎͋͒́̈͘͝d̸̰̭̟̠̟̔̈͋͊̋͑͟͝ Ť̸̨͍̱̥̳̂̿̑̐ŗ̸̧̡̗͙̬̜̪́̊̏̋́́̉̐̓͜ŭ̸̞̫̜͇̝̙͊̽̽͂m̙͔̪͍̻͓͋̆͂̒̑̓͝͞͠p̠̞͓̬̣̮͔̮͐̊́̈́́͘͜ͅ has brought out the worst in American politics. Maybe this is what it will take to make "mainstream" conservatives finally begin to understand what they have created.

I hope you're right and, while some prominent Republicans inexplicably still support Trump, other high-profile Republicans like Colin Powell are saying what needs to be said about Donald Trump.

Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/26/16 07:04 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
(What on Earth are the artifacts in your post? There's more to see if you hit the "Quote" button.)

Indeed. Pretty weird. Strange use of diacritics et al, especially in vertial strings.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/26/16 09:25 AM

Originally Posted By: tacit
I don't know why David French is surprised by the amount of hate he is being bombarded with. People on the left side of the political spectrum have been talking about this for years. It seems like prominent conservatives only understand it when it's directed at them, which to me speaks to an inability to listen to or empathize with other people.
I am a white anglo-taxon protestant, software design engineer, university lecturer, and theological dilettante; a self described fiscal conservative and social moderate who had always voted Republican until Barack Hussein Obama ran for election; and my wife is a dyed in the wool "yellow dog" Democrat. We have both been active literally for decades in promoting full inclusion of LGBT persons in our denomination. We were both aware that some racial unease still existed but in our experience we have seen that as a cultural/economic issue rather than racial (it was racial only because skin color is easily seen).

That said, we have been stunned by the amount of racism, hatred, and vitriol that emerged from under a rock when Obama was elected. I now believe that it is virtually impossible for anyone to fully comprehend the nuances of prejudice that exist in the world and those nuances can NOT be ignored. The type of hatred you have experienced, David French wrote about, and we are seeing — on both sides of today's political spectrum — all stem from a common poisoned root — FEAR. Fear based in ignorance. Fear of the unknown. Fear of the unexpected. Fear of the loss of power. Fear of a loss of status. Fear of change the individual cannot control. Fear of inaction. Fear of being powerless. Fear of difference. All of us are subject to fear at some level and on some issues but it is patently evident that in today's world, not just in the United States but in the world at large, there are those who are more fear driven than others and those fears are independent of political parties and labels such as conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, evangelical, progressive, Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc, etc, etc.

Mr Trump, I suspect because he is at his base a fearful man, has tapped into that base of fear and like demagogues throughout the ages is fanning the embers of fear into flames. Hillary Clinton's gender coming on top of eight years of the previous new thing, a man of African American descent as president, switches the fanning into high gear. To me, the best news coming out of all this is Trump's continuing fall in the polls. I wish I thought that was because of Secretary Clinton's popularity, but I am afraid that it is more based on fear of a Trump presidency. (Once again FEAR becomes the operative factor in my decision. 👹)

Persecution and abuse as I can only suspect you have encountered is never acceptable, but I FEAR that because your relationships are seen as different it is sadly inevitable that you will encounter it at some times and some places. I suspect more often any approbation is anonymous — it is a lot easier than a face to face confrontation. Change takes time, cultural change takes a long time. But that is of little comfort to you and yours when it happens.
Posted by: tacit

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/26/16 12:31 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505

(What on Earth are the artifacts in your post? There's more to see if you hit the "Quote" button.)


That style of text is called "Zalgo text." It comes from a series of online horror stories about a Cthulu-esque creature called Zalgo, a malignant entity with the power to destroy the world.

In the stories, Zalgo's name is always displayed with those weird diacritics.


I thought it was appropriate for D̡̫̘͚̦̔́̍̀̕ó̢͉̘̘͕͕̫̼͓̱̊̎̀̾́̚ǹ̡̛͉͔̜̭̿̈́̄͂͟͢ȁ̛̙̯̞̦̋̑̅̇̀̕͢͟͡ͅl̡̳̝̼̺̲̖̂̆̏̉͂͐͐̕͜͝d̖̹̖͈̦̉̈̄͒̒̃͆͒͢ T̷̝̰̪̘̙̣̟̲̜̓̃̅́͑͒̈́̀̈́r̵̡̨̢̻̱̯̳̝̜̈̑͊͌̌͗͠͡͡u̷̼̭͉̭̥̰͉̯̓͐̈́̽̅͛́́̀m̢̹͍̟̭̬͒̈̾̽̓͌̑̏̀̚͢p̭̼̻͈̖̲̊̾̃̀̇̕̕͜, who is also a malignant entity.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/26/16 12:40 PM

Originally Posted By: tacit
Originally Posted By: artie505

(What on Earth are the artifacts in your post? There's more to see if you hit the "Quote" button.)


That style of text is called "Zalgo text." It comes from a series of online horror stories about a Cthulu-esque creature called Zalgo, a malignant entity with the power to destroy the world.

In the stories, Zalgo's name is always displayed with those weird diacritics.


I thought it was appropriate for D̡̫̘͚̦̔́̍̀̕ó̢͉̘̘͕͕̫̼͓̱̊̎̀̾́̚ǹ̡̛͉͔̜̭̿̈́̄͂͟͢ȁ̛̙̯̞̦̋̑̅̇̀̕͢͟͡ͅl̡̳̝̼̺̲̖̂̆̏̉͂͐͐̕͜͝d̖̹̖͈̦̉̈̄͒̒̃͆͒͢ T̷̝̰̪̘̙̣̟̲̜̓̃̅́͑͒̈́̀̈́r̵̡̨̢̻̱̯̳̝̜̈̑͊͌̌͗͠͡͡u̷̼̭͉̭̥̰͉̯̓͐̈́̽̅͛́́̀m̢̹͍̟̭̬͒̈̾̽̓͌̑̏̀̚͢p̭̼̻͈̖̲̊̾̃̀̇̕̕͜, who is also a malignant entity.

Nice touch! (A bit obscure, though.)

How did you insert the diacritics? I'd never have guessed that UBB.threads could display them.

Edit: OK, I see that there's a Zalgo Text Generator, but I'm still surprised that the Forum software can render it.

Edit 2: Well, I just did it m͖̤̩̹̺ͨ̀̕͡y͉͎ͭͤͣ͝s͉̲̼͈̠̩͗ͯ͗ͤ̇͢eͫͧ҉̡̹̬l̤̫̫̘͍̾f̔͋͐͏̰̘̦! (Strange that the diacritics don't turn blue when I command-C them but appear in a command-V, anyhow.)
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/26/16 12:58 PM

Trump didn't invent bigotry, but his campaign undoubtedly foments it. Somalis Living an American Dream in Kansas Glimpse a Nightmare Closer to home (mine, that is), Trump supporters took umbrage at a statement of the obvious. Trump-swastika sign in window of Saugerties bookstore draws protesters.

As an ethnic Jew (non-practicing and and a non-believer), I feel all of this very keenly. My grandparents immigrated from Russia because of this type of persecution and found a refuge here. Make America great again? The key is to embrace diversity and welcome those who are in danger in their homeland.

My father loved to tell the following story: FDR was scheduled to give a speech to the Daughters of the American Revolution. The DAR was well known for its hostility toward immigrants, forgetting that they, themselves, were descendants of colonists. He began his speech with "Fellow immigrants..."
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/26/16 06:24 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
Trump has been a thug forever!

That's for sure.

I just watched Trump saying that he wants every black youth in America to feel safe walking down the street. What complete hypocrisy from a thug who put full page ads in New York papers demanding the death penalty be given to five black youths for a crime they did not commit.

And, let us not forget, this was the action of the same person who today whines that women are accusing him without evidence.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/26/16 06:48 PM

Quote:
And, let us not forget, this was the action of the same person who today whines that women are accusing him without evidence.

I feel badly for those women, because he'll sue them 'til they're bankrupt simply out of vindictiveness...with absolutely no regard for winning or losing.

He gives new meaning to the word "whino"!

I certainly hope some benefactors are as willing to finance them as Trump is to support his thugs.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/03/16 06:47 AM

With less than a week to go, Canada's national newspaper has written an editorial with the salutation "Dear United States of America".
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/03/16 07:22 AM

Nice editorial..makes this unfortunately good point:

Quote:
As a politician, however, something about Ms. Clinton has always rubbed a lot of Americans the wrong way, and the Democratic Party’s decision to nominate her was a political error. She’s the one candidate able to get independents and moderate Republicans to overlook Mr. Trump’s overwhelming unfitness for the job.

frown
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/03/16 04:09 PM

Yes, and that's too bad although I'm not sure I fully understand the view that "…something about Ms. Clinton has always rubbed Americans the wrong way…". I'm not an American so I can't speak from that perspective, but I also can't figure out what the sore point might be.

Getting healthcare for kids?
All the work she's done to help kids get an education?
Getting funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment following 9/11?
Negotiating the Iran deal?
Standing up for groups like the LGBT community?
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

It seems to me the good she's done far outweighs all else….including her poor judgement on emails.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/03/16 04:48 PM

I'm firmly convinced that a great deal of the antipathy toward Clinton would not be there if she were a man. The US is still not ready for a strong, confident, competent woman. I'm also convinced that the antipathy toward Obama would not be as virulent if he were white.
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/03/16 05:36 PM


Quote:
The US is still not ready for a strong, confident, competent woman.

I think we are. The problem is the numerous obstacles to entry in the hands of a disproportionately powerful minority who are not. And even those desperate obstructionists are falling by the wayside.
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/03/16 05:46 PM


Quote:
...something about Ms. Clinton has always rubbed a lot of Americans the wrong way...

And yet less than two years ago, she was the most admired living women for the 13th year in a row, according to the annual Gallup poll on such matters.

Well, nothing a bunch of unemployed Swift Boaters couldn't dismantle! wink
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/03/16 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Yes, and that's too bad although I'm not sure I fully understand the view that "…something about Ms. Clinton has always rubbed Americans the wrong way…". I'm not an American so I can't speak from that perspective, but I also can't figure out what the sore point might be.

Getting healthcare for kids?
All the work she's done to help kids get an education?
Getting funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment following 9/11?
Negotiating the Iran deal?
Standing up for groups like the LGBT community?
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

It seems to me the good she's done far outweighs all else….including her poor judgement on emails.

Originally Posted By: Marc Antony
"...but the good is oft interred with their bones."

Hillary has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way going all the way back to "Whitewater" and "Travelgate"; there's always been an undercurrent of dislike roiling around her.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/03/16 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
Quote:
...something about Ms. Clinton has always rubbed a lot of Americans the wrong way...

And yet less than two years ago, she was the most admired living women for the 13th year in a row, according to the annual Gallup poll on such matters.

Originally Posted By: Linked article
When asked to name a woman they've heard or read about and admire, 12% mentioned Clinton, the former secretary of state, New York senator and first lady.
Eight percent said Oprah Winfrey, 5% said Nobel Peace prize winner Malala Yousafzai, and 4% said first lady Michelle Obama.

Pres. Obama won the men's side that year with 19%.

Given the poll's visibility parameter and their incredibly high visibility, neither Clinton nor Obama scored an impressive victory.
Posted by: tacit

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/03/16 07:46 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Yes, and that's too bad although I'm not sure I fully understand the view that "…something about Ms. Clinton has always rubbed Americans the wrong way…". I'm not an American so I can't speak from that perspective, but I also can't figure out what the sore point might be.


The term I've heard is "Clinton Derangement Syndrome."

The Right in the US has an almost visceral hatred of the Clintons, Bill and Hillary both. They've spent twenty-five years doing nothing but accusing the Clintons of a wide range of criminal misdeeds, and spent literally tens of millions of dollars on investigation after investigation, inquiry after inquiry, probe after probe. Not one, not two, but three special prosecutors have been appointed to investigate the Clintons. There have been too many FBI investigations to count.

Every single one of those investigations has turned up nothing, but that doesn't matter. If you've lived in America for the last 25 years, you've been submerged in an ocean of news reports of accusations and investigations.

Joseph Goebbels has been quoted as saying if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it is true. Twenty-five years of nonstop "The Clintons are criminals! The Clintons are criminals!" has had its effect. It doesn't matter that they're arguably the most-investigated family in human history and all this investigation has produced zero evidence of wrongdoing. If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.

Clinton Derangement Syndrome is the irrational belief that the Clintons must be guilty of something, or else why would people have spent all this time saying they're guilty of something?
Posted by: MG2009

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/03/16 08:20 PM

Speaking as one from north of the 49th parallel . . .


If TRUMP gets voted in by the people, then the people deserve what they get (and have only themselves to blame).

However, CLINTON could easily get in IF - but that's a big "if" - enough Democrats and Independents decide she is worth going to the voting booth for. One thing that can be said for the Republicans (cough!), is that, in general, they really value their right to vote . . . and will go to the polls even if they have to be carried there.


grin
Posted by: MG2009

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/03/16 08:46 PM

" . . . I don't think that Canadians get to point fingers...after all, we kept Stephen Harper in as Prime Minister from 2006 to 2015 . . . "

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Sad, but true. However, 2006-15 was a time when a 3rd party in Canada (The NDP) could give a good kick at the cat. Or, at least, draw away many folks who otherwise would choose Liberal over Conservative, thus giving Conservative Mr. Harper the edge with vote splitting between the Liberals and NDPs.


Hopefully, some of the Independents in the USA will throw their vote to Mrs. Clinton rather than to some other non-Trump candidate.

This past election, thanks to greatly-diminished Conservative voters and abysmal NDP numbers, the Liberal Party swept through the country on election night.

Personal foibles and human imperfections aside, put Trump's Public Service Resume (???) up against Clinton's. Seriously, a "no brainer" choice to make.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/04/16 01:00 AM

With 4 days to go until the American polls open, perhaps it is time for those of us north of the 49th to line up along the border with our heads bowed in silence ... waiting until the polls close and the results are in and to assist the potentially fleeing hordes in a literal hands-across-border rescue mission. (Don't worry about Alaska; they're sure to survive pretty much unscathed, just due to geography.)

The situation is a lot like 1968, a year which was almost as violent as this one. Then there was the Vietnam War, with bombing of the North ceasing just before Election Day, the North Koreans were behaving just as badly (remember the USS Pueblo), Martin Luther King Jr and Robert F. Kennedy were assassinated, Eugene McCarthy was beaten bloody by Mayor Richard ("shoot to kill") Daley's police goons at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, a time to write in Eldridge Cleaver on the presidential ballot in protest, and Richard ("not a crook") Nixon was elected president. Ergo, a familiar scenario — at least to those of us long enough in the tooth to survive and remember it.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/04/16 02:41 AM

Originally Posted By: tacit
Clinton Derangement Syndrome is the irrational belief that the Clintons must be guilty of something, or else why would people have spent all this time saying they're guilty of something?

Thank you for the explanation….I found it very helpful.

Unfortunately, "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" could also mean that if Hillary Clinton wins the election, but the Democrats do not win what she needs in Congress, it's most likely the Republicans will not allow her to succeed - no matter how beneficial any particular piece of legislation might be for the American people.

How sad. How very, very sad.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/04/16 03:00 AM

Donald Trump’s Impeachment Threat
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/04/16 03:29 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi

He's gonna throw the most dangerous and damaging temper tantrum in history if he loses...and for absolutely no other reason than that he lost. EXTREMELY crazy !
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/04/16 06:07 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
He's gonna throw the most dangerous and damaging temper tantrum in history if he loses...

What a visual…Donald Trump holding his breath and stamping his tiny feet. If it wasn't so extremely sad, we could all laugh.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/04/16 06:10 AM

Last night on Don Lemon's show (CNN) he played back a recording for a guest, Michael Moore. The recording was from a Fox show in which Rudi Guiliani predicted big email news to come in a couple of days, while laughing pretty much uncontrollably.

Guiliani's prediction was two days before the FBI announcement of the "Weiner" emails.

Wow! If that doesn't qualify for an investigation, I don't know what would.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/04/16 07:44 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
He's gonna throw the most dangerous and damaging temper tantrum in history if he loses...

What a visual…Donald Trump holding his breath and stamping his tiny feet. If it wasn't so extremely sad, we could all laugh.

Pink faces turn purple when their owners hold their breath; I wonder what color Trump's apricot face will turn?
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/04/16 09:28 AM

Originally Posted By: tacit

Joseph Goebbels has been quoted as saying if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it is true.


A corollary to that is people would rather hear what they believe than what is true.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/04/16 01:29 PM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh

Quote:
The US is still not ready for a strong, confident, competent woman.

I think we are. The problem is the numerous obstacles to entry in the hands of a disproportionately powerful minority who are not. And even those desperate obstructionists are falling by the wayside.

I said the same thing about Obama, but sadly his election revealed a dark underbelly of racism I thought had pretty well gone by the wayside, but apparently was simply bubbling like a witches brew below the surface. From much of the 👿☠️👎✊ going on around here I am afraid anti-feminism is alive and rampant too.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/04/16 02:34 PM

Originally Posted By: tacit
Joseph Goebbels has been quoted as saying if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it is true.

And Abba Eban (1915-2002) coined a classic phrase, initially used against the Nazi information minister, Joseph Goebbels:
"Every time he opens his mouth, he subtracts from the sum of human knowledge."
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/05/16 09:03 AM

I suppose that Trump thinks that rigging an election is OK so long as Republicans do it. Ruling Preserves Voting Rights for Thousands in North Carolina
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/06/16 08:38 AM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh
...desperate obstructionists are falling by the wayside.

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I said the same thing about Obama, but sadly his election revealed a dark underbelly of racism I thought had pretty well gone by the wayside, but apparently was simply bubbling like a witches brew below the surface.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

On Tuesday the American people can reject Donald Trump, a white-nationalist whose proposed ideas are in clear contrast to these words.

The world is hoping that America makes the right choice.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/06/16 08:42 AM

AMEN!
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/06/16 10:41 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

On Tuesday the American people can reject Donald Trump, a white-nationalist whose proposed ideas are in clear contrast to these words.

The world is hoping that America makes the right choice.

ryck,

You brought it all back to foundational basics. That says it all. And bless you for that!
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/08/16 06:43 AM

My hope (prayer?) is that by this time tomorrow we will have an elected president and won't still be waiting for the decision(s), court challenges, etc. 🙇🏻
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/08/16 06:51 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
He's gonna throw the most dangerous and damaging temper tantrum in history if he loses...and for absolutely no other reason than that he lost. EXTREMELY crazy !

I think we can pretty much count on huge claims of election fraud from this point forward, regardless of who runs or who wins and loses.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/08/16 10:54 PM

Oh...my...f!@#ing...god!

Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/08/16 11:42 PM

What sort of chutzpah qua perverse irony is there to Señor Hitler's victory speech being closed out with the Rolling Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want"?! (It's not in the public domain, so the Stones should sue him.)

So, come January 20th Camp David becomes the new Berchtesgaden. What will be the new Wolfsschanze ('Wolf's Lair')?
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 03:32 AM

ok everybody, into the handbasket. we're going on a short trip...
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 05:08 AM

Two possibilities:

1. Russia hacked the election and manipulated it.
2. The result really reflects the electorate.

Which is worse? I'm not sure.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 05:48 AM

Bottom line: MAKE AMERICA GRATE AGAIN.

No matter how hard they try, they can't bring back the America of the 1950s ... which was the product of post-war euphoria ... unless, of course, the world goes to war again.
Posted by: freelance

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 06:37 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
So, come January 20th Camp David becomes the new Berchtesgaden.

I wonder if I can build a bunker that quickly?
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 06:46 AM

Originally Posted By: freelance
Originally Posted By: grelber
So, come January 20th Camp David becomes the new Berchtesgaden.

I wonder if I can build a bunker that quickly?

The bunker of the original was in Berlin (where the original ultimately did himself and Eva in).
As for building one, it would depend on how elegant (and deep) you wanted it to ward off apocalyptic intrusion. tongue
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 07:13 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Two possibilities:

1. Russia hacked the election and manipulated it.
2. The result really reflects the electorate.

Which is worse? I'm not sure.

It may be hard to determine which is the worse of those two possibilities, but I think there is something possibly far worse.

This morning Trump will have (or already has had) the first of his daily briefings on the most secret information the President is given and, because he is the President-Elect, it will be repeated daily.

Given that Trump doesn't appear to trust anyone but his family, and only surrounds himself with syncophants, I fear for the containment of that information.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 08:19 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Given that Trump doesn't appear to trust anyone but his family, and only surrounds himself with syncophants, I fear for the containment of that information.

I am just afraid 😱
Posted by: freelance

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 10:53 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I am just afraid 😱

I'm not afraid. We live six miles from ground zero.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 11:01 AM

Number of electoral votes for Trump: 279
Number of Republican senators: 51
Number of Republican representatives: 239
Number of horsemen: 4
Posted by: MacManiac

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 11:28 AM

Jon, the reply is to you only because you were the nearest.

...awe, you guys are just so negative..... confused crazy shocked blush

Isn't our government so designed as to protect us from any one portion of the three being totally in charge of all things? Hasn't that proven functional historically?

[Sarcasm] Personally, I'm just hoping that there is a possibility of good advisors actually providing good advice and then that advice being followed......is that too much to hope for? [/Sarcasm]

....and I am AMAZED at the result of our election process!
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 11:44 AM

Of course he will pick good advisers (sarcasm). People of intelligence and integrity, such as Newt Gingrich, Chris Christie, and Rudolph Giuliani. Donald Trump’s Victory Is Met With Shock Across a Wide Political Divide
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Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 12:41 PM

Originally Posted By: MacManiac
...awe, you guys are just so negative..... confused crazy shocked blush
Isn't our government so designed as to protect us from any one portion of the three being totally in charge of all things? Hasn't that proven functional historically?
[Sarcasm] Personally, I'm just hoping that there is a possibility of good advisors actually providing good advice and then that advice being followed......is that too much to hope for? [/Sarcasm]
....and I am AMAZED at the result of our election process!

A remote possibility, mooted at in times past, is that the Electoral College could do as its component members choose, not as the vote 'suggested'; they are not bound to do the latter. One can only dream ....
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/09/16 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: MacManiac
[Sarcasm] Personally, I'm just hoping that there is a possibility of good advisors actually providing good advice and then that advice being followed......is that too much to hope for? [/Sarcasm]

Not sarcasm. Trump just learned that ignoring advice, and being divisive, works. I figure that'll continue to be his M.O..
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/10/16 02:23 AM

Originally Posted By: BBC News
Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said: "Donald Trump is taking this very seriously," adding that the business mogul's deal-making ability would enable him to quickly "make things happen for the American people".

BREAKING REAL ESTATE NEWS...

Trump and Vladimir Putin have finalized a major deal that gives the Trump Organization a $1.00/year 100 year lease on a prime parcel of downtown Moscow property, with Russia getting a similar lease on the Crimea.

And on another front, Bill & Hillary Clinton are seeking a home in a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the U.S.

Which American people other than the ones he sees in the mirror when he shaves? frown

Rudy Giuliani as Attorney General? He'll have to bail Sammy the Bull out of jail to get him to testify against Hillary in order to get a conviction.

And I can foresee an important role in the administration for Chris Christie: Trump hasn't got a dog.

Oh, well... Time to break out of this depression, hide my head in the sand, and hope for the best.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/10/16 03:16 AM

This may be optimistic: Ten-Step Program for Adjusting to President-Elect Trump
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/10/16 05:25 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
A remote possibility, mooted at in times past, is that the Electoral College could do as its component members choose, not as the vote 'suggested'; they are not bound to do the latter. One can only dream ....

That only works when there's an overwhelmingly obvious better alternative on the ballot. "only hillary could have lost to trump" is going around a lot right now.

Originally Posted By: grelber

As for building one, it would depend on how elegant (and deep) you wanted it to ward off apocalyptic intrusion. tongue

Don't forget, bunkers also make great tombs, and sometimes spontaneously convert themselves.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/10/16 07:08 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Trump just learned that ignoring advice, and being divisive, works. I figure that'll continue to be his M.O..

And it sounds like his advisors may be the same. A television report this morning said that he's meeting today to begin choosing his Cabinet and some of the names being tossed around include Palin, Christie and Giuliani.

Wow! The most powerful nation in the world may be run by a roomful of flakes.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/10/16 07:31 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: ryck
Trump just learned that ignoring advice, and being divisive, works. I figure that'll continue to be his M.O..

And it sounds like his advisors may be the same. A television report this morning said that he's meeting today to begin choosing his Cabinet and some of the names being tossed around include Palin, Christie and Giuliani.
Wow! The most powerful nation in the world may be run by a roomful of flakes.

On the up side ...
If Sarah is going to be in DC (your choice: the district or the comics), maybe she'll rent out her Alaskan house and one could sit on the veranda and look at Russia. tongue
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/10/16 07:39 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: ryck
Trump just learned that ignoring advice, and being divisive, works. I figure that'll continue to be his M.O..

And it sounds like his advisors may be the same. A television report this morning said that he's meeting today to begin choosing his Cabinet and some of the names being tossed around include Palin, Christie and Giuliani.

Wow! The most powerful nation in the world may be run by a roomful of flakes.

Well, it's no secret that he doesn't like smart people, so surrounding himself with people whose input is inconsequential is well within character.

Edit: His real cabinet is likely to be his kids.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/10/16 09:56 AM

Do you think it likely he will take advice from anyone? That would be a complete 180° turn around from all he's done to date. Given his reluctant to give up any of his business activities, or turn them over to someone else he may not have much time to spend running the government. Wonder how he will react the first time he discovers he can't fire a senator. are congressmen?

Hopefully the civil service will be able to reign in his worst excesses.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/10/16 11:52 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Do you think it likely he will take advice from anyone? That would be a complete 180° turn around from all he's done to date. Given his reluctant to give up any of his business activities, or turn them over to someone else he may not have much time to spend running the government. Wonder how he will react the first time he discovers he can't fire a senator. are congressmen?

Hopefully the civil service will be able to reign in his worst excesses.

Well, considering his unparalleled ability to see straight to the heart of complicated domestic and international issues and make instantaneous wise, practical, moral, and universally acceptable decisions, advice from others will be totally unnecessary, and running the government will take no more than a few minutes a day and will hardly interfere with his business activities.

I honestly don't think he's got a clue about what he's gotten himself into, or even worse, he does and doesn't give a damn for America's interests if they conflict with his own.

He may actually be at risk of getting impeached! (Hillary has already given the Republicans the White House and both Houses of Congress, so he's disposable if he becomes too much of an inconvenience.)
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/10/16 03:29 PM

Have you considered the possibility that a very dysfunctional Trump lead executive branch with the four stooges in the cabinet might, just might, be enough to kick start a similarly dysfunctional congress into thinking about governing the country. That might be a welcome change after 8 years of partisan wrangling over signs on bathroom doors.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/10/16 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Have you considered the possibility that a very dysfunctional Trump lead executive branch with the four stooges in the cabinet might, just might, be enough to kick start a similarly dysfunctional congress into thinking about governing the country. That might be a welcome change after 8 years of partisan wrangling over signs on bathroom doors.

That's what I had in mind when I suggested impeachment...the critical first step.

If they dump Trump they'll get Pence, who'll be a working President who's sympathetic to their agenda, and the country will at least be run, albeit in what manner and towards what ends would remain to be seen, with some degree of functionality.

Edit: And dumping Trump would also cleanse the party of at least some of the stigma his candidacy has attached to it.

Edit: As it stands, the Republicans really have Congress only; Trump has the White House, and I'll speculate that at this very moment, Paul Ryan is grinning a cheshire grin as he contemplates the possibility of a palace coup that will give him stature and power beyond his wildest dreams.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/11/16 12:59 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Do you think it likely he will take advice from anyone? That would be a complete 180° turn around from all he's done to date

Yep, that's basically his track record. Mostly ignore others. Anyone that offers him advice (solicited or otherwise) gets ignored. And sometimes I wonder if he does it a different way not because he thinks he has a better idea, but rather to simply be contrary to someone else's suggestion. His litany of campaign managers during this fiasco does a wonderful job of illustrating the point. (and also goes to a degree to show how it isn't necessarily unproductive, seeing as well... we're stuck with him now)
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/11/16 02:52 PM

Not that I think that this means much, but Trump likes main Obamacare provisions 'very much'
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/11/16 03:42 PM

Editor David Remnick, of the New Yorker, describes the Trump victory as An American Tragedy.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/12/16 12:07 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
[quote=ryck]Edit: His real cabinet is likely to be his kids.

Speaking of "Wow!", you called it ... although not the cabinet (yet) but his transition team.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/12/16 12:16 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Originally Posted By: artie505
Edit: His real cabinet is likely to be his kids.

Speaking of "Wow!", you called it ... although not the cabinet (yet) but his transition team.

It was a no-brainer, grelber, but I never would have guessed that Pam Bondi would be on the team; wasn't $25,000 enough for her? (Regardless of who ultimately gets appointed to what, I expect that his real cabinet is still likely to be his kids.)

And let's hope that I was also spot-on when I beat Michael Moore to this punch.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/12/16 02:57 AM

If Trump is impeached, Pence becomes president. From the frying pan into the fire...
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/12/16 03:31 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
If Trump is impeached, Pence becomes president. From the frying pan into the fire...

Pence is in absolutely NO way to my liking, but if he becomes President we'll at least have a balance of power, not a would-be dictator.

The Republicans will have their four years to muddle things up, and if the Democrats actually run some smart campaigns they may be able to score in both '18 and '20. (A high colonic would have been more productive than the high road was [as any fool should have plainly seen, particularly by the time the race reached the homestretch]).

The saddest result of this election is going to be its looong-lasting effect on the Supreme Court. frown mad
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/12/16 04:56 AM


Quote:
The saddest result of this election is going to be its looong-lasting effect on the Supreme Court.

I'd say the saddest result of this election is going to be the postponement for at least another four years of any serious attempt at addressing global warming here in the world's premier producer of carbon dioxide.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/12/16 05:04 AM

Originally Posted By: dkmarsh

Quote:
The saddest result of this election is going to be its looong-lasting effect on the Supreme Court.

I'd say the saddest result of this election is going to be the postponement for at least another four years of any serious attempt at addressing global warming here in the world's premier producer of carbon dioxide.

Amen to both comments
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/12/16 05:49 AM

Let's hope that the climate change deniers own beachfront property.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/12/16 07:00 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
He may actually be at risk of getting impeached!

Originally Posted By: artie505
And let's hope that I was also spot-on when I beat Michael Moore to this punch.

You're right. When the President is a boy in a man's body, unable to control his impulses, it can't go anywhere else.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/12/16 07:01 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Let's hope that the climate change deniers own beachfront property.

A major owner is Trump. His Miami tower sits right on the beach, ground zero for the impact of rising oceans.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/12/16 07:17 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
He may actually be at risk of getting impeached!

Originally Posted By: artie505
And let's hope that I was also spot-on when I beat Michael Moore to this punch.

You're right. When the President is a boy in a man's body, unable to control his impulses, it can't go anywhere else.

...particularly when he's disposable, even in his own party's terms.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/12/16 07:35 AM

By the way, I read that Trump is scheduled to take the stand in the Trump U. trial a few days after Thanksgiving.

That figures to be quite a show in and of itself, and lawyer ideology could make it a spectacular one!

I don't envy the judge. frown
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/13/16 11:05 PM

2016 Election Thank You Notes

An appreciation — maybe even an "Amen" — by Ethan Coen.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/17/16 07:02 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Trump just learned that ignoring advice, and being divisive, works. I figure that'll continue to be his M.O..

Although it appears that the Senate may have something to say about that.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/17/16 09:13 AM

If he thinks he's got a rubber-stamp Congress, he may be sorely mistaken.

It won't take many recalcitrant, unhappy Republicans siding with the Democrats to derail anything he can't do arbitrarily.

His failure or success with Congress will reflect on whether it is still the United States of America or has become the Cojoined States of America.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/17/16 10:26 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: ryck
Trump just learned that ignoring advice, and being divisive, works. I figure that'll continue to be his M.O..

Although it appears that the Senate may have something to say about that.[/url]

Oh, I think the senators can completely relate to how "being divisive" works, they've been on the sending end of that game a lot with Obama in the last few years. Payback's a [REDACTED]
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/18/16 08:17 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
If Trump is impeached...

If a recent event is any indication, that may not be far-fetched.

When Bill Clinton talked with Attorney General Lynch on her plane, Trump was irate and raved that they must have talked about something that would be a conflict, given the meeting lasted 30 minutes.

Donald Trump just held a 90 minute meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister and the President-elect had his daughter Ivanka attend the meeting. This morning the Trump surrogates are claiming there was no conflict….after all, it was only a 90 minute meeting.

Hmmm. If I understand their logic, it's not possible to have a 30 minute meeting without discussing matters that may be a conflict, but one can talk with a head of state for 90 minutes without doing so.

Following the Clinton-Lynch airplane meeting, Trump told conservative radio talk show host Mike Gallagher: "It was really a sneak, You see a thing like this and, even in terms of judgment, how bad of judgment is it for him or for her to do this? Who would do this?"

Apparently President-elect Donald Trump would do that.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/18/16 08:38 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
<SNIP>…
Hmmm. If I understand their logic, it's not possible to have a 30 minute meeting without discussing matters that may be a conflict, but one can talk with a head of state for 90 minutes without doing so.

Following the Clinton-Lynch airplane meeting, Trump told conservative radio talk show host Mike Gallagher: "It was really a sneak, You see a thing like this and, even in terms of judgment, how bad of judgment is it for him or for her to do this? Who would do this?"
Many, many years ago, when I was a college undergraduate my Psychology professor had a term for Trumps assertions — PROJECTION .
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/18/16 08:50 AM

I wonder if he's looking for a corporate sponsor for the reality show that his Presidency looks like it's going to be?

I think "The National Enquirer White House", and take it from there, would be a great idea!
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/18/16 09:09 AM

Here's another great idea: Pledge to register as a Muslim if Trump creates a registry. I have already signed up and so has my wife. When Denmark was occupied by the Nazis, they issued a decree that all Jews had to wear a yellow Star of David. The king of Denmark declared that all Danes were created equal and he prominently wore one of those stars. Other Danes followed suit, making it much more difficult for the Nazis to persecute Danish Jews.

This is the same principle.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/18/16 10:36 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I wonder if he's looking for a corporate sponsor for the reality show that his Presidency looks like it's going to be?

I think "The National Enquirer White House", and take it from there, would be a great idea!

Yes, and apparently conflicts, such as we see already happening in the transition, are required for a successful reality show.

Could "The Real Housewives of Congress" be a possibility?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/18/16 10:42 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Here's another great idea: Pledge to register as a Muslim if Trump creates a registry. I have already signed up and so has my wife.

That is a great idea. Good for you and your wife….well done.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/18/16 10:51 AM

And kudos to someone else: Trump election: US Jewish activist vows solidarity with Muslims
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/18/16 11:44 AM

Moving right along ...

Given Trump's (and probably all the Trumps') apparent tastes in interior decorating, I suspect that the White House is likely to be turned into something resembling Cà d'Zan (John Ringling's winter home in Sarasota, FL) — hmm, I wonder what his plans for the Roma are — vs a slightly less ostentatious version of Hearst Castle (San Simeon, CA).

And Trump's ending ain't gonna be no Rosebud.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/18/16 11:51 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
...I suspect that the White House is likely to be turned into something resembling Cà d'Zan (John Ringling's winter home in Sarasota, FL) — hmm, I wonder what his plans for the Roma are — vs a slightly less ostentatious version of Hearst Castle (San Simeon, CA).

And entirely with Trump branded fixtures, accessories, etc, to boot!

Edit: None of which will be made in the US of A. frown
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/18/16 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Here's another great idea: Pledge to register as a Muslim if Trump creates a registry. I have already signed up and so has my wife. When Denmark was occupied by the Nazis, they issued a decree that all Jews had to wear a yellow Star of David. The king of Denmark declared that all Danes were created equal and he prominently wore one of those stars. Other Danes followed suit, making it much more difficult for the Nazis to persecute Danish Jews.

This is the same principle.

Many mainline Christian ministers and lay people are pledging to do the same.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/19/16 08:07 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
By the way, I read that Trump is scheduled to take the stand in the Trump U. trial a few days after Thanksgiving.

News reports today say Trump has settled for a $25 million payment. Given the mid-range student loss is estimated at $20,000 and there were 6,000 students, he pockets something in the neighbourhood of $95 million.

It would appear that, even as the President-elect, Trump still gets to stiff the little guy.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/19/16 08:18 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
By the way, I read that Trump is scheduled to take the stand in the Trump U. trial a few days after Thanksgiving.

News reports today say Trump has settled for a $25 million payment. Given the mid-range student loss is estimated at $20,000 and there were 6,000 students, he pockets something in the neighbourhood of $95 million.

It would appear that, even as the President-elect, Trump still gets to stiff the little guy.

Knock off the attorneys' share and costs, and the losers get next to no satisfaction.

I hope that, at the least, the media make plenty of noise about the settlement.

Edit: I wonder how the Judge felt about losing the opportunity to try the case?
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/19/16 09:00 AM

Trump is going to need a lot more money to defend his choices for positions in the administration including himself and his family against a flood of conflict of interest lawsuits from the general public, various state and major city attorneys general, and potentially even the Senate.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/19/16 09:04 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Trump is going to need a lot more money to defend his choices for positions in the administration including himself and his family against a flood of conflict of interest lawsuits from the general public, various state and major city attorneys general, and potentially even the Senate.

Not to mention however many thugs whose actions at his rallies he's defending.

He's not going to have much time to be President.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/19/16 09:09 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
He's not going to have much time to be President.

Apparently he only plans to spend a few hours a week being president anyway. He has indicated that at least for the time being he will be spending most of his time in his residence at Trump Tower in New York.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/19/16 09:12 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Donald Trump just held a 90 minute meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister and the President-elect had his daughter Ivanka attend the meeting.

Considering the Japanese aesthetic, I'll guess that the P.M. was pretty seriously offended by Trump's having brought his kid along with him to a meeting of what was supposed to have been equals (if I may use the term loosely on the one hand).

(I wonder if she tried to sell him a bracelet for his wife?)
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/19/16 09:18 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: artie505
He's not going to have much time to be President.

Apparently he only plans to spend a few hours a week being president anyway. He has indicated that at least for the time being he will be spending most of his time in his residence at Trump Tower in New York.

...in close proximity to all the facilities the President needs to support him in times of crisis.

On the other hand, though, I'll be happy to see Trump Tower, rather than the Freedom Tower, be NYC's prime terrorist target.

Edit: I wonder how much the Presidential security will inconvenience the building's residents and their guests? I suspect that they'll be pretty unhappy campers.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/20/16 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Donald Trump just held a 90 minute meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister and the President-elect had his daughter Ivanka attend the meeting. This morning the Trump surrogates are claiming there was no conflict….after all, it was only a 90 minute meeting.

And that ain't all.

Incredibly, Donald Trump claims that he doesn't know whether his children running his business would or wouldn't be a blind trust. He said: "Is it? I don't know."

Meanwhile he carries on as if the concept of conflict is a myth. He met with three Indian businessmen to discuss expansion of his business interests in India.

And, about 100 foreign diplomats were packed into a ballroom at the new Trump International Hotel in D.C. recently to drink Trump-brand champagne and hear a sales pitch for the new hotel.

Trump people have been all over the media denying that the President-elect's actions are the same as the "Pay to Play" accusation he constantly hurled at Hillary Clinton during the election campaign. However, one panelist had a much better term.

He referred to Trump's actions as "Pimping the Presidency".

In a recent interview Malcolm Gladwell was asked to make a prediction on the upcoming Trump presidency, and he predicted: "He'll be in jail within a year." Malcolm might be right.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/20/16 05:22 PM

I've read both that the President is and is not required to put his assets into a blind trust, but I haven't found anything that sounded authoritative; can anybody cite a reliable source?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/21/16 03:38 AM

According to Forbes , a President is not obliged to place assets into blind trust.

So, it'll be interesting to see how things unfold. According to the Washington Post:

"Ethics officials urged Trump during his campaign to pledge he would sell his businesses or cede them to an independent authority. Many modern presidents — including Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and both Bushes — went beyond what was required and placed their assets in “blind trusts,” run by third-party managers who keep complete control.

But Trump has refused to make such a pledge, saying only that he would give companies to his children and executives to run. Attorneys said that would put little distance between a President Trump and the businesses he spent a lifetime grooming and profiting from.

"Now we are faced with the possibility that a son or daughter of the president will turn up in Moscow or Uzbekistan or somewhere else negotiating a deal on a new property that will bear the name of the president, and the full knowledge that the president really is an owner of the company," Trevor Potter, a former Federal Election Commission chairman and general counsel for George H.W. Bush and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), said in September. "That presents problems of a dimension we have never seen before. "
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/21/16 06:37 AM

Trump has indicated he will be spending most of his time in New York and plans to visit the White House only on occasion. Maybe he could convert the White House into a luxury B&B for overseas business associates? He could change the name to "Trump House" and let the fools who pay taxes eat the cost of its upkeep and security.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/21/16 07:14 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Trump has indicated he will be spending most of his time in New York and plans to visit the White House only on occasion.

And while in New York he will never ever talk to his family about his businesses.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/21/16 07:50 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
He could...let the fools who pay taxes eat the cost of its upkeep and security.

Speaking of which, it must really irk him to have had to pass up on the "tax-free" $400,000 salary.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/21/16 09:05 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
….it must really irk him to have had to pass up on the "tax-free" $400,000 salary.

Unless he thinks his position may help him achieve gains far exceeding the $400K.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/21/16 09:14 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
….it must really irk him to have had to pass up on the "tax-free" $400,000 salary.

Unless he thinks his position may help him achieve gains far exceeding the $400K.

Thinks?

Naaah! He'd achieve those gains in addition to the $400k.

Forgoing it is simply not his style; I imagine he was embarrassed into doing so by (a real billionaire) Bloomberg's having done so.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/21/16 09:27 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Trump has indicated he will be spending most of his time in New York and plans to visit the White House only on occasion.

Yeah, good luck on that one. History and his advisors (as vile as they might be as individuals) would dictate that a sitting president not only could not make that work (for any number of practical reasons*) but would also make him to be more of a flibbertigibbet than he already is, which would in turn make him more of a sick joke than a 'majestic' presence on the international scene.

No matter how you cut it, in the latter arena he's just plain chum in the water.

(* For example, to think that the Secret Service could deal with security in NYC in anything like a reasonable ± cost-effective fashion compared with DC which is geared for such is an inane suggestion. There's a good chance that he would be forbidden to do such on more than a short-term, occasional basis. He'd stand a better chance at Trump Tower in beautiful downtown Aleppo. Maybe ... the world can only hope ...)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/21/16 02:03 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
it must really irk him to have had to pass up on the "tax-free" $400,000 salary.

Originally Posted By: artie505
Forgoing it is simply not his style; I imagine he was embarrassed into doing so by (a real billionaire) Bloomberg's having done so.

Yes, Bloomberg, a rich person who actually does care about the little guy; a man who gave significant amounts of his money to help the less fortunate of New York: a man for whom "help the working class" wasn't a meaningless campaign slogan.

It's interesting that there are about 80 billionaires in New York and yet most people could likely only name two - Bloomberg because of his generosity and Trump because of his greed.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/22/16 08:35 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Donald Trump just held a 90 minute meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister and the President-elect had his daughter Ivanka attend the meeting.

And, it seems, Trump accepted a pretty nice gift. It would appears that Trump doesn't understand the meanings of either ethics or optics.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/22/16 08:54 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: ryck
Donald Trump just held a 90 minute meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister and the President-elect had his daughter Ivanka attend the meeting.

And, it seems, Trump accepted a pretty nice gift. It would appears that Trump doesn't understand the meanings of either ethics or optics.

I didn't get into the details, but the President is allowed to accept certain gifts.

That was a deciding point regarding some of the items involved in the Clinton furniture episode.
Posted by: Pendragon

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/22/16 12:33 PM

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” ~ H. L. Mencken (July 26, 1920)
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/22/16 12:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Pendragon
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” ~ H. L. Mencken (July 26, 1920)

You don't weigh in often, Harv, but when you do, it's right smack on the mark.

Many thanks for contributing that!

(I didn't know that Mencken had, in a sense, anticipated The Peter Principle.)
Posted by: MG2009

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/23/16 08:18 AM

$eriou$ly, Oprah?

Making nice with Mr. Trump NOW . . . Ju$t a coincidence that $he happen$s to be in that itty-bitty, upper echelon which ha$ everything to gain by Mr. Trump'$ "tax plan."

How tran$parent can one get, I a$k you?
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/24/16 01:06 PM

Warren and Cummings Ask GAO to Review "Chaotic" Trump Transition

(Don't miss the PDF link at the bottom.)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/24/16 02:04 PM

Trump seems to have had many conversations with foreign officials on his personal cell phone, without any of the protections that one would expect of such communications. I'd say his phone activity has a "personal email server" kind of ring to it.

I wonder when we can expect his followers to start chanting: "Lock him up! Lock him up!"
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/24/16 03:21 PM

I'm ready to lock him up right now (and believe me, I was not a supporter). It seems that we're in for a kleptocracy. Wilbur Ross, Billionaire Investor, Is Said to Be Trump’s Commerce Pick. Trump acts as if the presidency gives him a license to print money.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/24/16 03:45 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Trump seems to have had many conversations with foreign officials on his personal cell phone, without any of the protections that one would expect of such communications. I'd say his phone activity has a "personal email server" kind of ring to it.

I wonder when we can expect his followers to start chanting: "Lock him up! Lock him up!"

I'm no way an expert on the subject, and I'm sure there are grey areas, but it appears to me that Trump is dismissive of anything that's not codified law.

If it's merely protocol or accepted behavior or a nicety it doesn't apply to him, and he can apparently ignore it with impunity.

But, for instance, asking the President of Argentina to facilitate a real estate deal for a company from which he's supposed to be removed (about which he says he doesn't even care) during the course of a heads-of-state phone call looks like it's clearly a breach of ethics and an abuse of power.

I suspect that his admiration for Putin is based on nothing other than his having amassed a $40 billion fortune at the expense of his people.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/24/16 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I'm ready to lock him up right now (and believe me, I was not a supporter). It seems that we're in for a kleptocracy. Wilbur Ross, Billionaire Investor, Is Said to Be Trump’s Commerce Pick. Trump acts as if the presidency gives him a license to print money.

If 48 Democrats vote as a block it only takes three Republicans...

I wonder if there are three who are willing to cross that line and anger him?
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/24/16 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Trump acts as if the presidency gives him a license to print money.

More like steal the taxpayers land and money with absolute impunity while encouraging and enabling his family and sycophants to do the same.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/24/16 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: artie505
I suspect that his admiration for Putin is based on nothing other than his having amassed a $40 billion fortune at the expense of his people.

I think you're right. An additional attraction would be that Putin is also a man who makes his friends very wealthy and who is an expert in hiding wealth. Birds of a feather….
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/24/16 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: artie505
I suspect that his admiration for Putin is based on nothing other than his having amassed a $40 billion fortune at the expense of his people.

I think you're right. An additional attraction would be that Putin is also a man who makes his friends very wealthy and who is an expert in hiding wealth. Birds of a feather….

I don't think we've got to worry about Trump enriching his friends; he hasn't got any, and besides that, he wants it all for himself.

Nor do I think we've got to worry about him hiding ill-gotten wealth, because he'll be stupid enough to brag about it.

The surprising thing about his adoration of Putin is that he doesn't like smart people, and Putin is clearly waaay smarter than he is.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/25/16 06:25 AM

Originally Posted By: artie505
The surprising thing about his adoration of Putin is that he doesn't like smart people, and Putin is clearly waaay smarter than he is.

Which means that Putin can easily manipulate President Trump to his own advantage. Now THAT is scary. 💀
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/25/16 07:38 AM

Originally Posted By: joemmikeb
Which means that Putin can easily manipulate President Trump to his own advantage. Now THAT is scary. 💀

I still can't fix my mouth to say "President Trump".

I've read that he's been trying to get the rights to build a hotel in Moscow since 1996; I'll guess that he's vulnerable. frown
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/25/16 07:58 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
....Putin is also a man who makes his friends very wealthy...

Originally Posted By: artie505
I still can't fix my mouth to say "President Trump".

I've read that he's been trying to get the rights to build a hotel in Moscow since 1996…

And, throughout the primaries and the election campaign, Trump seemed awfully awfully anxious to cozy up to Vladimir Putin.

After three weeks of watching Putin's planes bomb hospitals in Aleppo, and seeing children and other innocent victims dug out of the rubble, one would think those events alone alone should be enough to cause any reasonable person to conclude "America must keep its distance from this monster".

I guess it remains to be seen which wins out, money or morality.
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/25/16 08:11 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
After three weeks of watching Putin's planes bomb hospitals in Aleppo, and seeing children and other innocent victims dug out of the rubble, one would think those events alone alone should be enough to cause any reasonable person to conclude "America must keep its distance from this monster".

I guess it remains to be seen which wins out, money or morality.

To whom are you ascribing reasonableness, and do you really think that "which wins out" hasn't already been decided?

Trump proudly wears the mark of Cain as a badge of honor!
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/26/16 11:55 PM

Wonderfully stated!

No, Trump, We Can’t Just Get Along
Posted by: artie505

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/30/16 10:17 AM

My daughter just sent me these two links:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comi...n-29-years-ago/ (Re Doonesbury)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comi...t-explains-why/ (Re Dilbert)

My response was:

Quote:
Please quit sending me this kind of stuff; reading it is like reading horror stories while lying in bed worrying about the bogeyman.

I’m scared skataless by the reality and the possibilities, I’m emotionally drained from trying to deal with them, and I’ve had it with being reminded about them.

I don't want to read anything more about the man until his name has been changed from Donald to Morty, and in keeping with that sentiment I'm bailing out of this thread and am going to try my damnedest to avoid even the front pages of the media.

Adios muchachos caballeros!
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/30/16 02:34 PM

Frightened by Donald Trump? You don’t know the half of it
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/16 01:35 AM

What the Alt-Right Really Means

Bring back "the good old days" ... NOT. Maybe the earth really is flat ....
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/16 03:00 AM

Lest we forget: Trump’s Threat to the Constitution
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/16 11:33 PM

Why I Will Not Cast My Electoral Vote for Donald Trump

Only 269 Electoral College votes to go ...
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/06/16 05:16 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Why I Will Not Cast My Electoral Vote for Donald Trump

Only 269 Electoral College votes to go ...

I wonder if they will take a more serious look at the EC if one or more (or possibly, quite a few, though unlikely enough to matter) cast their vote contrary to their state's opinion. While it's difficult to say whether or not having ditched the EC would have changed the results of past elections (due to how it would affect the way candidates ran their campaign) I still think it would produce a better outcome, or at least a less contentious one. If you lose the popular vote, you really have no one to blame but yourself.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/06/16 08:49 AM

Make that 628 to go. A second Texas Elector has announced he cannot in good conscience vote for Trump.

As for the institution of the Electoral College, with ~70% of the U.S. population living within 50 miles of an ocean and most of that ~70% on the Atlantic and Pacific coasts, the Electoral College and the Senate are the only mechanisms that give the rest of the nation any traction in our nation's governance.

A major factor in the success of this nation of great distances and sometimes wildly disparate cultures, customs, religions, and opinions are the provisions in the Constitution protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority. I, for one, am stringently opposed to any change that might reduce those protections. A two legged stool, the Electoral College and the Senate, requires careful attention and determined intention to keep upright. Take away the Electoral College and the stool is almost guaranteed to fall with even the tiniest shove.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/06/16 09:01 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Make that 628 to go.

¡¿Qué?! Where did that number come from? There are only 538 Electoral College voters.
Posted by: dkmarsh

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/06/16 09:14 AM


I'm guessing Joe inadevertently reversed teh 6 and teh 2.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/06/16 09:53 AM

I just had a bit of an existential moment... the original purposes of the electoral college were to help streamline the election process and also as a trapdoor in case the village idiots voted for someone really stupid, they could catch and fix it.

Well... for as much as we hate the electoral college... aren't we flirting with activating the 2nd contingency right now? How ironic, that one of the very reasons the college exists may turn out to be its undoing? If they pull it off, I seriously can't imagine it surviving to 2020.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/06/16 03:57 PM

It looks like Trump accepts global warming when it threatens his financial interests. Green delight as Trump's Irish wall plans withdrawn
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/08/16 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
….Trump accepts global warming when it threatens his financial interests.

And he shows himself to be a bully when anyone disagrees with him, using his Twitter account as a club to bludgeon those who disagree.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/08/16 08:34 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
And he shows himself to be a bully when anyone disagrees with him, using his Twitter account as a club to bludgeon those who disagree.

When the man about to become the most powerful person in the world cannot resist beating up a local union president (for telling the truth), one has to wonder about the Republicans' hope that they'll keep Trump in check once he's in office.

Volker Ullrich, a German historian and journalist for the Hamburg broadsheet Die Zeit, wrote about Hitler: “His conservative allies in government assumed they could tame or ‘civilise’ him – that once he became chancellor he’d become vernünftig (meaning sensible, reasonable). Very quickly it became clear that was an illusion.”

Good luck, GOP.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/12/16 11:00 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
[quote=ryck]one has to wonder about the Republicans' hope that they'll keep Trump in check once he's in office.

There's an old parable about "having a tiger by the tail"... one is terrified to keep holding on, but more terrified by what will happen should they let go.

I don't think any of them have any illusion of "control" when it comes to Trump. If anything, they're going to have a harder time working with him than any Democrat.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/12/16 12:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
I don't think any of them have any illusion of "control" when it comes to Trump. If anything, they're going to have a harder time working with him than any Democrat.

I agree. With apologies to William Shakespeare, I'd say it's going to be: "The Taming of the Screwball."
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/13/16 03:14 AM

This is interesting, although I don't hold out much hope: Electoral College Members Request Intelligence Briefing On Russia, Trump
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/13/16 07:17 AM

It will be interesting to see where it goes, although the thing mystifying me most is the emphasis placed on whether or not Putin was trying to get Trump elected. It seems the bigger issue is that your country was attacked by a foreign power - it may have been a cyber attack but it was an attack nonetheless.

That fact alone should have everyone, especially the President-elect, outraged and anxious to get to the bottom of it. The attack's objective may have had nothing to do with electing Trump. It may have had a much wider objective - determining the viability of disrupting your other important institutions.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/13/16 07:36 AM

It's noteworthy that the Republicans were hacked also, but only emails from the Democrats were leaked.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/13/16 07:42 AM

Wow. Stuff like this you can't even make up...

"Trump names Exxon chief as secretary of state"

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/tr...3112341375.html

He's going to have the entire government run by companies by end of his first year....

(at least he didn't nominate him to head the EPA, I suppose that's something?)
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/13/16 08:28 AM

Speaking of rich people, "Behind every great fortune is a great crime". (attributed to Balzac)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/14/16 02:10 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
It's noteworthy that the Republicans were hacked also, but only emails from the Democrats were leaked.

And that's what makes me now wonder about Russia's intention with the hacking. They didn't need to hack the Republicans to get anti-Hillary smear material as they got plenty from going into the Democrat Party's mail. And, if there was any reason they might want to smear Trump, a hack wasn't necessary. The Democrats were already doing a good enough job. However a Republican headquarters hack might yield other important information about Republican Party thinking.

So, were the two hacking events just testing to see how far they could go in light of a broader goal….disrupting important American institutions? I'm neither a conspiracy theorist nor an expert in geo-political matters but it seems to me that a person such as Putin likely has much longer-range goals than affecting the election outcome.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/15/16 07:42 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
I'm neither a conspiracy theorist nor an expert in geo-political matters but it seems to me that a person such as Putin likely has much longer-range goals than affecting the election outcome.

And, it would seem, his goals include others in the world.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/17/16 06:17 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Speaking of rich people….

Sometimes the rich people say things that are just rich. This morning CNN reported the Trumpster tweeted a comment (since corrected) stating that China's seizure of a U.S. drone was "…an unpresidented act." Har, Har, Har.

Guess what Mr. Trump. A large part of the world is thinking that, on the day of your inauguration, the U.S.A. will be "unpresidented". Har, Har, Har.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/19/16 01:36 AM

Done ... and undone?

If so, can civil war be far behind? Merry Christmas?

The Electoral College Meets Monday. Here’s What to Expect.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/20/16 09:31 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Done ... and undone?
If so, can civil war be far behind? Merry Christmas?
The Electoral College Meets Monday. Here’s What to Expect.

Rats! And double rats! Given the outcome, 'twould appear that the sum of the IQs of the electors doesn't quite reach 3 digits. {sigh}

Mayhap now that the grander electorate has been made aware of the Electoral College there might be a groundswell of popular insistence that the institution be abolished — especially given the original/underlying basis for the institution in the Constitution.

Bottom line (from north of the 49th): Meh.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/20/16 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Given the outcome, 'twould appear that the sum of the IQs of the electors doesn't quite reach 3 digits. {sigh}

I think a lot of the electors got it right, but there just weren't enough of them. However, they now appear on Trump's Twitter threads. I don't use Twitter but got a look at one of Trump's threads on-line and concluded Trump must be nutty to keep tweeting…unless he's a bit masochistic and likes abuse.

Here's what Trump tweeted:

Bill Clinton stated that I called him after the election. Wrong, he called me (with a very nice congratulations). He "doesn't know much" …

And here's what the first page of responses contained:

• Donald, your favorability is the worst in the NBC/WSJ poll's history for a president-elect.

• so petty

• why would you care about such a small distinction? Good god you're petty

• what? Are you 6?

• you are a toddler

• oh Jesus christ NO ONE CARES. GROW UP YOU FAT OLD BABY MAN.

• Right, because this petty #$!& is what's important. It's not like you're the President-elect who should be above that.

• I'm sorry you are such a sore winner, but don't drag Bill Clinton into your drama. Some people are more mature than this.

• You can say a lot of things but one glaring fact will always haunt you: you aren't smart. You don't have the "best words."

• Can you be the bigger man for once? Is that even within your abilities? Can you just be a gracious person and rise above?

• One final thing. You will never be Bill Clinton. You'll never preside over such economic expansion. You are a big mistake.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/06/17 08:03 AM

Just ahead of getting an important security briefing, and only two weeks before inauguration as the President of the United States, what deep subject is on The Donald's teeny, tiny mind?

Why, the Celebrity Apprentice ratings, of course. As Bugs Bunny used to say: "What a maroon."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/06/17 08:24 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Just ahead of getting an important security briefing, and only two weeks before inauguration as the President of the United States, what deep subject is on The Donald's teeny, tiny mind?
Why, the Celebrity Apprentice ratings, of course. As Bugs Bunny used to say: "What a maroon."

You were expecting something profound?! Even the wording of your question puts the lie to that. And 4 more years of his balderdash yet to come.

I'm not going to search about to see where the following would most appropriately fit in this thread. Check it out anyway.
Feminism Lost. Now What?
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/07/17 04:33 PM

Donald Trump blasts 'fools' who oppose good Russian ties Either Trump is a traitor or a moron, but more likely the latter. Putin, undoubtedly, prefers a moron.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/08/17 05:37 AM

And here's a political cartoonist's take: Dave Granlund Editorial Cartoons
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/08/17 05:53 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Putin, undoubtedly, prefers a moron.

….in which case, he got his wish.

I am astounded at Trump's continuing denigration of the American intelligence community. However, there is the possibility of a silver lining.

Hopefully they are ticked off enough to take a page from the J. Edgar Hoover manual and secretly keep tabs on the president. The Trump Tower, or any other Trump entity, should be a piece of cake for the FBI or CIA to hack and, given Trump's inherent greed, they could get lots of material over the next couple of years.

It'd be great to have the intelligence community hand over to an ambitious politician and/or the media a wealth of information that says: "Time for an impeachment".
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/09/17 07:46 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
[quote=jchuzi]It'd be great to have the intelligence community hand over to an ambitious politician and/or the media a wealth of information that says: "Time for an impeachment".

That's an interesting take on a "legal way to undo the insanity". He may join Nixon in the hall of shame, but I'd bet he gets it in less time.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/09/17 08:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: ryck
[quote=jchuzi]It'd be great to have the intelligence community hand over to an ambitious politician and/or the media a wealth of information that says: "Time for an impeachment".

That's an interesting take on a "legal way to undo the insanity". He may join Nixon in the hall of shame, but I'd bet he gets it in less time.
I wouldn't bet on it. The Republican majorities in the house and the senate are too venal, too stupid, and too self-centered to oppose him.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/09/17 08:58 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I wouldn't bet on it. The Republican majorities in the house and the senate are too venal, too stupid, and too self-centered to oppose him.

Don't be so sure on that, Trump doesn't care who he pisses off. He has zero party loyalty. He's a "Republican" only as a label to show he puts business ahead of people. I expect the republican majorities to turn on him.

Turncoats are usually held in even lower regard than the enemy. Even the enemy can be respected. He won't get even that.

By all accounts, he's an Independent. He only ran as a republican to make it a 2 party election instead of 3. Wow, doesn't that paint an interesting picture? What would have happened if the republicans had nominated someone else... I wonder just how much more of a train wreck the election would have been? It boggles the mind just thinking about it.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/09/17 09:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Don't be so sure on that, Trump doesn't care who he pisses off. He has zero party loyalty. He's a "Republican" only as a label to show he puts business ahead of people. I expect the republican majorities to turn on him.

Turncoats are usually held in even lower regard than the enemy. Even the enemy can be respected. He won't get even that.

By all accounts, he's an Independent. He only ran as a republican to make it a 2 party election instead of 3.

I wish I were as sanguine as you but it appears the Senate Republicans are willing to interview and approve all Trump's cabinet nominations at the rate of four or five a day and without benefit of any ethics vetting.
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/09/17 09:51 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
I am astounded at Trump's continuing denigration of the American intelligence community.

I believe many people still feel burned by the same intelligence community's finding of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Not! It is "Cry Wolf Syndrome".
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/09/17 09:55 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
It'd be great to have the intelligence community hand over to an ambitious politician and/or the media a wealth of information that says: "Time for an impeachment".


Be careful what you wish for. As difficult as it may be to imagine, the vice-president-elect is scarier and so much worse in so many ways than the incoming president.

And the next in line after that, Speaker of the House, is Paul Ryan, and you know what "oddities" you get there. crazy
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/09/17 10:35 AM

I hold no brief for Meryl Streep, but her comments with respect to Señor Hitler at the Golden Globe Awards were dead on. His live and Twitter responses to perceived (albeit warranted) slights are those of a petulant and puerile teenager (and that's perhaps the kindest characterization one can give them) — hardly the mettle of one who is poised to "lead the free world".

When a person of his standing and privilege continues to act like a simple-minded school yard bully, he needs to be called out on same until he reforms. Given his age and probably calcified mentality, it is unlikely that the latter will come to pass.

The entire nation is going to regret being presided over by such a hapless shmuck, whom the rest of world regards with derision and with incredulity at his being "the leader of the free world" — he is surely the personification of the ultimate in sick jokes.

EDIT — Add this to that: Trump, Trapped in His Lies, Keeps Lying. Sad!

And just as a reminder:

The madman shouted in the market place. No one stopped to answer him. Thus it was confirmed that his thesis was incontrovertible.
— Dag Hammarskjöld, former Secretary-General of the United Nations

It is important to answer the madman. It is important because, left unanswered, his lies and his malice can poison the climate. They can do worse. They can make other men mad. Left unanswered for long enough, they can nourish everything in men and women that is hateful and destructive and murderous. Our end is to ensure that every time the madman shouts in the market place, he is answered.
— Roy McMurtry, former Attorney General of Ontario

Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/09/17 02:27 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I wouldn't bet on it. The Republican majorities in the house and the senate are too venal, too stupid, and too self-centered to oppose him.

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Don't be so sure on that, Trump doesn't care who he pisses off. He has zero party loyalty. He's a "Republican" only as a label to show he puts business ahead of people. I expect the republican majorities to turn on him.

That'd be my guess. I figure the Republicans only wanted Trump as a vehicle to get control of the White House, and they're mostly holding their noses at what they had to agree to, in order to get there.

However, this is politics and it's reasonable to assume there are already a lot of back room meetings where plots are being developed to seize the first opportunity to dump Trump for someone more to their liking.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/12/17 06:44 PM

http://imgur.com/gallery/KuXJz
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/13/17 01:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1

Going there conjures up this:

Zoinks! You've taken a wrong turn.
Let's split up, gang. If you're looking for an image, it's probably been deleted or may not have existed at all.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/13/17 06:11 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
...it's probably been deleted or may not have existed at all.

Deleted would be the answer….they were there yesterday.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/13/17 08:10 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: grelber
...it's probably been deleted or may not have existed at all.

Deleted would be the answer….they were there yesterday.

well that's too bad... if I knew the trump supporters were scouring for takedowns I'd have cached it. That was a great collection
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/20/17 08:40 AM

Perhpas we should switch to a new thread with a new subject line, such as "Our President?!"

In any case my 2¢ worth which I just passed on to various poor shlucks I know down 'south':

As I listen to Bosco the Wonder Chimp's inaugural address and its hopelessly empty rhetoric, I figure you've got until St Patrick's Day to determine what your quality of life will be for the next 4 years.
I'm not very sanguine about the overall picture ... but then I no longer give a rat's patoot about anything south of the 49th parallel (all the way to the south pole in the western hemisphere).
I strongly suspect that "the leader of the free world" will indeed "Make America Grate Again".
Enjoy.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/20/17 09:07 AM

Perhaps we should be more optimistic. Madonna on Trump: ‘We have gone as low as we can go’
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/20/17 10:20 AM

Madonna’s view is optimistic alright, but in various respects arguably also naive. Let’s hope things work out. I’ll believe it when I see it, but I’m not holding my breath.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/23/17 12:51 AM

"Alternative facts"?!?! Give me an effin' break! Lies are lies no matter how one clothes them. Does not the tale of The Emperor's New Clothes immediately come to mind in a whack of interpretive (per)versions?

Assessment of the first couple days: The downward swirling in the toilet of history is gaining momentum.

How much longer before the internment camps are set up?
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/23/17 03:27 AM

"Alternative facts" is right up there with Haldeman's claim (during the Nixon administration) that "Our previous statement is inoperative." I'm almost nostalgic for Nixon (notice that I did say "almost").
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/23/17 09:03 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
"Alternative facts" is right up there with Haldeman's claim (during the Nixon administration) that "Our previous statement is inoperative." I'm almost nostalgic for Nixon (notice that I did say "almost").

At least Nixon knew what the presidency was all about. I don't think anyone in the Trump administration can make that claim unless they resort to their alternative facts in their alternative universe with their own unique alternative reality.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/23/17 10:39 AM

"Alternative reality" Now there's an oxymoron.
Posted by: tacit

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/23/17 09:46 PM

Well, this is creepy. Our new Cheeto-inChief has officially declared his inauguration day the "National Day of Patriotic Devotion":

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim January 20, 2017, as National Day of Patriotic Devotion, in order to strengthen our bonds to each other and to our country -- and to renew the duties of Government to the people.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twentieth day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand seventeen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-first.


Yikes. Nothing Orwellian about that!
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/23/17 11:54 PM

Moving right along and setting the record straight ...

White House Pushes ‘Alternative Facts.’ Here Are the Real Ones.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/24/17 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: tacit
National Day of Patriotic Devotion ... Nothing Orwellian about that!

Or North Korean sounding.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/24/17 06:03 AM

And now you can get your own The Little Golden Book of Alternate Facts.
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/24/17 08:24 AM

Originally Posted By: tacit
Yikes. Nothing Orwellian about that!


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command"—George Orwell, 1984
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/24/17 10:16 AM

And now for something totally different... In a great example of the ’If you can’t beat ‘m, join ‘m’ approach, Dutch satirical TV show host Arjen Lubach presented a seriously funny take on ‘alternative realpolitik/diplomacy’: The Netherlands welcomes Trump in his own words. Wait for the end of Lubach’s intro in Dutch at about 0:15. Even if you’ve already seen it, I think it’s worth watching again.
Believe me, it’s terrific! grin
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/25/17 12:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Ira L
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command"—George Orwell, 1984

The true, honest, cross my heart and spit in a circle, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/26/17 12:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Ira L
Originally Posted By: tacit
Nothing Orwellian about that!

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command"
— George Orwell, 1984

Well, ah swan ... Just heard on PRI [Public Radio International, out of Boston] that 1984 hits No. 1 on Amazon after Kellyanne Conway's 'alternative facts' comment.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/26/17 04:50 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
[quote=Ira L]Well, ah swan ... Just heard on PRI [Public Radio International, out of Boston] that 1984 hits No. 1 on Amazon after Kellyanne Conway's 'alternative facts' comment.

Yep it had "rocketed" to #6 or so during 2016 as Trump for President became a serious possibility. Then after the election, boom, #1. Not surprised. 23 years late, but here we are.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/26/17 07:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
23 years late, but here we are.

Oops, slip of the finger, I'm guessing, but that should read: 33 years late, ....
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/26/17 08:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
...but here we are.

Here we are indeed, with the latest absurdity being President Trump calling for an investigation into "massive voter fraud" in the absence of any real evidence.

Apparently Trump's evidence is a story (from a person not eligible to vote), given to a friend of a friend in Trump's circle, who then passed it to him. That is, the President of the United States is acting on a third or fourth hand rumour, already very questionable.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/26/17 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
….but here we are.

Yup….with yet another absurdity from the man-boy President Trump - a suggestion that the U.S. might slap a 20% tariff on goods flowing from Mexico to the U.S. Since that bit of Trump unwisdom came out, the Republicans have been trying to walk it back.

I guess someone reminded them that the Mexicans could reciprocate with a tariff on the $267 billion in goods that flow from the U.S. into Mexico.....trade that supports more than a million American jobs.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/26/17 05:31 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Here we are indeed, with the latest absurdity being President Trump calling for an investigation into "massive voter fraud" in the absence of any real evidence.

Oops…maybe there is some evidence.

To support his outrageous claims, President Trump presented a number of ways that people voted illegally. One was by being registered to vote in two states. It turns out that Trump is right - some people are registered to vote in two states. Among those are people in Trump's camp.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/27/17 12:34 AM

No typical "honeymoon" for Señor Hitler's regime. Just check out The New York Times on virtually every topic on virtually every front, locally, nationally and internationally.
Slap! Slap! Slap! Slap! Slap! tongue

Even his bevy of elected members of Congress are now having to distance themselves from his inane proclamations. He's like a petulant 5-year-old on the playground.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/27/17 06:12 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: Virtual1
….but here we are.

Yup….with yet another absurdity from the man-boy President Trump - a suggestion that the U.S. might slap a 20% tariff on goods flowing from Mexico to the U.S. Since that bit of Trump unwisdom came out, the Republicans have been trying to walk it back.

I guess someone reminded them that the Mexicans could reciprocate with a tariff on the $267 billion in goods that flow from the U.S. into Mexico.....trade that supports more than a million American jobs.

Also considering the amount of money mailed back to families in mexico from the illegals, Enrique would have to be completely out of his gourd to support a wall, let alone fund one. I'm amazed at how well he seems to be maintaining his composure, instead of just cracking up and rolling on the ground laughing at Trump's "demands".

I wonder if the reality has started to sink in on Trump yet, that he's not president of Mexico too.

Also love how the reps are now scrambling to try to figure out how to pay for this wall, now that Cpt Obvious has arrived to point out that no, Mexico isn't willing to pay for it. Since raising taxes or other methods of actually collecting money for things isn't in their playbook, I suppose they're looking for any as-yet-unraided cookie jars to raid, or jack up our national debt some more.

Lastly, on the book's DoubleSpeak, how are "we're going to force businesses like Ford to move back into the US" and "we're going to raise money by imposing a huge tariff on goods from across the border" mesh? You can either get them making cars on US soil again OR tariff them when they roll across the border, not both? Sounds like some "1+1=3" to me.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/27/17 12:20 PM

I just recapped the protest marches in Washington — the smaller one on Inauguration Day and the massive one the following day. The positive resistance and the sheer oneness (much more than just unity) of purpose was palpable. It all brought tears of joy, not to mention a semblance of hope for the next 1454 days.

Not to be too crass, but no matter the coverage I saw could I discern a single port-a-potty, much less the thousands which would be necessary for such gatherings, especially given the potentially 'fickle' bladders which women seem to be heir to. Were they hidden behind trees or in alleys? Or were the women expected to hold it until they got back to the buses?
Inquiring minds want to know the logistics.
Anybody got a clue?
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/28/17 12:51 AM

And here we go ...

Trump Bars All Refugees, and Citizens From 7 Muslim Nations

Note that in 'Announcing his “extreme vetting” plan, the president invoked the specter of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Most of the 19 hijackers on the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Shanksville, Pa., were from Saudi Arabia. The rest were from the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon. None of those countries are on Mr. Trump’s visa ban list.'
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/28/17 03:25 AM

Let's see how far this goes. Trump’s Immigration Ban Is Illegal
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/28/17 10:47 AM

It may be illegal, but for now it is the law of the land, and effectively, the world as well. It turns out that the entry ban completely shuts out everyone except diplomats from the affected countries, not only valid visa holders but also up to 500,000 Green Card holders. This is because airlines flying to the US no longer accept these travelers. This policy won’t change unless and until the US explicitly states Green Card holders are exempt, but rumor* has it that a DHS spokesperson stated that Green Card holders were not exempt from the decree. Really?

*) “It will bar green card holders,” Gillian Christensen, acting spokeswoman for the department, reportedly said in an email.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/28/17 01:15 PM

Google and other high tech companies who tend to have lots of green card employees ordered them to get back to the states by any means and as quickly as possible. Trump may be successful in driving high tech companies out of this country thereby eliminating millions of very high paying jobs from our economy.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/28/17 02:36 PM

Originally Posted By: alternaut
*) “It will bar green card holders,” Gillian Christensen, acting spokeswoman for the department, reportedly said in an email.

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Trump may be successful in driving high tech companies out of this country thereby eliminating millions of very high paying jobs from our economy.

It seems to me the crux of the problem is that you have a President who doesn't know how to think things through. He makes rash (and wrong) decisions, then sends his surrogates out to convince the populace that he isn't a nut case.

Example 1: The ban on refugees. Currently it takes up to 24 months for a refugee to go through the American vetting process and, for Syrians, it's even longer.

Missing thinking: Does anyone in their right mind actually think a terrorist is going to wait for two years or more in a refugee camp on the chance that he might get picked to enter the U.S.? Hardly.


Example 2: Trump threw out the idea that he could put a 20% tariff on Mexican goods entering the U.S. as one way to get payment for his wall.

Missing thinking: Even disregarding the benefits to the U.S. of its trade with Mexico, did anyone stop to think that it's the American consumer who'd end up paying for the tariff?


Example 3: Trump has said that he could make a deal on America's debt and get America's creditors to accept a lower rate of repayment, such as 85 cents for every dollar.

However, according to CNN Money, the top creditor is U.S. citizens and American entities, such as state and local governments, pension funds, mutual funds, and the Federal Reserve. Together they own the vast majority of the debt (65.7%).

Missing thinking: Has anyone wondered if the American citizen would want to take a major hit on their pension payments and IRA savings, or have increased taxes, et cetera?

And that, folks, is what happens when a seven-year-old is President.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/29/17 07:24 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Note that in 'Announcing his “extreme vetting” plan, the president invoked the specter of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Most of the 19 hijackers on the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Shanksville, Pa., were from Saudi Arabia. The rest were from the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon. None of those countries are on Mr. Trump’s visa ban list.'

Ah, but they are on President Trump's business partner list. Conflict of interest charge anyone?
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/30/17 07:05 AM

According to this Cato Institute study the odds of being murdered by a foreign born refugee is 1 in 3.64 billion and for illegal immigrants that climbs to 1 in 10.9 billion. While lord Voldemort (a.k.a. President Trump) is building walls to protect us from these vanishingly small threats, he disassembles all efforts to combat the high risk threats of air pollution and climate change.

In the meantime, in the heart of Red State Texas, over 100 volunteer lawyers have set up a makeshift office that is staffed 24x7 to help arriving immigrants and refugees at DFW Airport. The mayor of Dallas went to the airport very publicly demanded the TSA release those being held at the airport to prevent their entry into the U.S. The TSA caved and let them in.

Voldemort promised change and he is getting it. More and more in the form of resistance and outright refusal to obey his dictates. Some Republican representatives are quietly expressing concern they may lose their house majority in two years.

BREAKING NEWS: The arch conservative Koch Brothers have come out in opposition to Voldemort's immigration and refugee ban.

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Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/30/17 09:45 AM

US travel ban: Diplomats 'preparing dissent memo'
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/30/17 09:48 AM

The impression is becoming ever stronger that Señor Hitler aka Lord Voldemort aka 45 has a "death wish", that he is going to crash and burn by virtue of his thorough-going ineptitude which riddles his being like mold in blue cheese (but decidedly without the latter's redeeming gastronomic virtues).
One can only hope that his demise qua relevance on the American and international scenes happens sooner rather than later, especially given recent events.
The man is a putz in the harshest sense of the word.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/31/17 04:53 AM

Trump fires attorney general for questioning legality of immigration executive order

WOW

Anyone care to guess when's the last time we saw that sort of thing happen?

it recalled the so-called Saturday Night Massacre in 1973, when President Richard M. Nixon fired his attorney general and deputy attorney general for refusing to dismiss the special prosecutor in the Watergate case.

Yates wrote; "At present I am not convinced that the defense of the executive order is consistent with these responsibilities nor am I convinced that the executive order is lawful."

Read up more on the position at Wikipedia

Clearly this is trending news. I typed "trump fires " and google suggested Attorney General rather than one of his many show firings...


Now... Clearly this is an *appointed* post, and she's from the previous administration, and this is a cabinet position. The cabinet exists to "advise the president", and we know know Trump loves taking advice, so there's no question he's going to do a clean sweep. But most cabinet positions are replaced (or resign), it's unusual for a president to kick someone out before getting a replacement confirmed. I'm pretty sure this was done entirely to deal with the bad PR of your Attorney General questioning the legality of your orders.

And to no one's surprise, just like Nixon, the AG that was put in charge immediately followed the president's orders. Technically correct, but quite a horrible chain of events from a moral perspective. Fortunately, that position was stripped of much of its power when the Justice Department was created. Prior to that there was no doubt that the AG's first order of business was law, and second was assisting the administration. But now, not so much. Just another presidential yes-man.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/31/17 08:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Fortunately, that position was stripped of much of its power when the Justice Department was created. Prior to that there was no doubt that the AG's first order of business was law, and second was assisting the administration. But now, not so much. Just another presidential yes-man.
Note too that Lord Voldemort has been playing musical chairs with the National Security Council and has removed the Chairman of the Joint Chief's of Staff and the National Intelligence Director from regular attendance in favor of an alt-right political strategist and only after that move reluctantly agreed to allow the CIA director to sit in. God forbid that anyone who will be persecuting a war or has an overview of both international and national security issues should be involved in the decision making process.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/03/17 07:23 PM

And now we have expert opinions that Trump is indeed a nut case.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/04/17 05:57 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
And now we have expert opinions that Trump is indeed a nut case.

…and more and more mental health experts are adding the adjective dangerous as in "dangerous nutcase".
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/04/17 06:38 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
And now we have expert opinions that Trump is indeed a nut case.

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
…and more and more mental health experts are adding the adjective dangerous as in "dangerous nutcase".

Indeed. While the article confirms what many of us have thought for a very long time, it also makes me worry about upcoming actions as Trump continues trying to bully those who stand up to him. He's been pushy with China, Mexico, Australia and Iran, who have all diplomatically said he can "take a hike". So far, he's just reacted with words but the concern is "What's next?".

I think about the Scottish farmers who Trump tried to bully off their land. When they gave him the finger, he first responded, like the little boy he is, with his petulent name-calling "You're pigs and your homes are disgusting" but he didn't stop there. He then built a huge berm to block their view of the sea.

Now he's Commander-In-Chief of the most powerful nation in the world and the man who has his ear, Steve Bannon, is, according to The Guardian, the most dangerous man in America.

Worrisome. Very, very worrisome.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/07/17 03:52 PM

More on the Punch & Judy show — at least his inanity is costing him big time, both in credibility and in $$$. Maybe by the time his tenure in office ends he'll wind up in penury. Wouldn't that be ironic (and fitting)?!

President Trump’s Real Fear: The Courts
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/08/17 08:16 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
More on the Punch & Judy show — at least his inanity is costing him big time, both in credibility and in $$$. Maybe by the time his tenure in office ends he'll wind up in penury. Wouldn't that be ironic (and fitting)?!

True to the pattern of despots around the world and his own business practices, Lord Voldemort is highly unlikely to permit himself, his family, his business interests, or his close supporters to suffer any losses as long as he is president. If nothing else more lucrative presents itself Voldemort will simply write an executive order requiring U. S. taxpayers to make up any losses, absolve all of his interests from repaying any debts, and/or direct government purchasing to companies they control regardless of the cost. In the event of any successful prosecution against his interests, in either the courts or congress, he will simply pardon the offender.

He Who Must Not Be Named has already questioned the right of any judge to question much less overturn any of his executive orders, threatened to ruin the political career of a State Representative who sponsored a bill he opposes, urged his most extreme followers to take out opponents. Lord Voldemort is clearly following in the footsteps of such notable leaders as Saddam Hussein, Ayatolla Ali Khamenei, Bashar al-Assad, Kim Jong-un, Idi Amin, and Hugo Chavez; not to mention Adolph Hitler, Benito Mussilini, and Joseph Stalin.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/08/17 01:47 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
True to the pattern of despots around the world and his own business practices, Lord Voldemort is highly unlikely to permit himself, his family, his business interests, or his close supporters to suffer any losses as long as he is president.

Or, as Tom Engelhardt of The Nation wrote, "From health care and tax policy to environmental protections, this will undoubtedly be a government of the looters, by the looters, and for the looters, and a Congress of the same."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/08/17 11:35 PM

The word is out: The executive order relating to the travel ban lacks "intellectual rigor".
Now there's a surprise — NOT. It's just another indication that Trump is as dumb as a stump. In fact, given his erratic performance so far, that expression may come to be rephrased as "dumb as a Trump".
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/17 03:29 AM

I'm reminded of a quip by the late William F. Buckley. Although I disagreed (nay, despised) his opinions in general, I like this put-down: "I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you actually believe what you just said."
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/09/17 02:59 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
The word is out: The executive order relating to the travel ban lacks "intellectual rigor".

And now the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has voted unanimously (3 to 0) against Trump's ban. However, Trump has an ace to play: He's going to hold his breath and stamp his tiny feet until he gets his way.

Chuckles aside, it's good to see that the checks and balances are working, and that the complete repudiation should show the President that he is not above the law.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/10/17 05:49 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Chuckles aside, it's good to see that the checks and balances are working, and that the complete repudiation should show the President that he is not above the law.

Now all he needs to do is scream "I am not a crook!" and the circle will be complete...
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/10/17 07:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Now all he needs to do is scream "I am not a crook!" and the circle will be complete...

Or, "I am not an unrepentant liar!"

In all of this Trump remains intractable and has decided to remain in court, which will take months….while he claims the issue is urgent and that terrorists pouring into the country is imminent. The right answer would, of course, be to repeal what he has done and get a new, proper document prepared and vetted.

Although that may be the logical choice, and best for the country, there's not much chance it will happen as it requires one event: Trump would have to admit he was wrong.

Not much chance of that happening….so, clearly, Trump believes the country's security is less important than his ego.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/10/17 10:01 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
... clearly, Trump believes the country's security is less important than his ego.

I thought that such an assessment was clear in my earlier comment:
Originally Posted By: grelber
The man is a putz in the harshest sense of the word.

Perhaps I was hasty. I should have used the more pejorative shmuck* which entails an even stronger implication of 'contemptible'.

* I prefer this transcription of the Yiddish (following Leo Rosten) in order that it not be confused with German Schmuck (as it was in one funny scene in the 1961 comedy One, Two, Three, which totally escaped comprehension and therefore humor by German moviegoers, given that all movies back then were dubbed into German — even The Longest Day [1962] which was 'tri-lingual' in the original).

Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/11/17 12:32 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
How much longer before the internment camps are set up?

Sorry. I was misinformed. There is already a far-reaching and ever-expanding system of internment camps called detention centers. See Immigration Detainees : Immigration detainment practices and statistics
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/17 01:21 PM

How long till impeachment? Veteran US reporter Dan Rather raises Watergate spectre It won't happen until at least 2018, when (hopefully) the Democrats rout the Republicans in the general election. Of course, Pence is not my first choice to succeed Trump! shocked
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/17 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
How long till impeachment?

Whenever it happens, there will be support from life-long Republicans like this Ohioan who writes eloquently about getting on with it.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/17 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
How long till impeachment? Veteran US reporter Dan Rather raises Watergate spectre It won't happen until at least 2018, when (hopefully) the Democrats rout the Republicans in the general election. Of course, Pence is not my first choice to succeed Trump! shocked

Tom Friedman has said that if Trump is not impeached by the end of 2016 2017 it will be the end of the Republic. That is republic not republican.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/15/17 11:36 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Tom Friedman has said that if Trump is not impeached by the end of 2016 it will be the end of the Republic. That is republic not republican.

Where's Friedman getting the time machine? (And don't say from Apple.) smirk
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/16/17 06:53 AM

Hey I have been working on my taxes all day and of course all the dates are 2016.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/18/17 05:13 AM

Not that this is surprising: 'Enemies of the people': Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/20/17 04:26 AM

Fake news, alternative facts, dishonest media, ... ad nauseam ...

It's been said before about Trump and needs to be said again, just as Abba Eban originally opined about Joseph Goebbels:
"Every time he opens his mouth, he subtracts from the sum of human knowledge."

And here's a verbal visual, drawn from Katherine Anne Porter's Pale Horse, Pale Rider (1939):
"The stranger [Trump] swung into his saddle beside her [Lady Liberty], leaned far towards her and regarded her without meaning, the blank still stare of mindless malice that makes no threats and can bide its time."
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/20/17 08:30 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
"Every time he opens his mouth, he subtracts from the sum of human knowledge."

At his recent Florida rally, talking about terrorism, unrepentant liar Trump referred to an event in Sweden that never happened. It caused the Swedish Foreign Minister to wonder what Trump has been smoking.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/20/17 10:33 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck

At his recent Florida rally, talking about terrorism, unrepentant liar Trump referred to an event in Sweden that never happened. It caused the Swedish Foreign Minister to wonder what Trump has been smoking.

Here's a thought —
One could append to all such observations relating to fake vs real reality the same thing that doofus appends to most of his tweets: Sad.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/22/17 04:23 PM

We need to take a break from the angst produced by politics. This is temporary, of course, but I, at least, need it.

Both Trump supporters and critics will laugh at this one.

The American Medical Association has weighed in on Trump's health care package:
The Allergists were in favor of scratching it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.

The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.
Meanwhile, Obstetricians felt certain everyone was laboring under a misconception, while the Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted.

Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the Pediatricians said, "Oh, grow up!"
The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it.

Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing and the Internists claimed it would indeed be a bitter pill to swallow.
The Plastic Surgeons opined that this proposal would "put a whole new face on the matter."

The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.

Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and those lofty Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.
In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the #$!& in Washington.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/23/17 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
We need to take a break from the angst produced by politics.

Mayhap, but be that as it may, today's (and past days') headlines indicate that Trump's latterday pogroms are just beginning. If he were literate, he might well have taken his game plan from Mein Kampf.

The equivalent of the Night of the Long Knives (cf 1934) is underway; can his version of Kristallnacht (cf 1938) be far behind?

The news media, (im)migrants and the LGBT community are already on the chopping block. Who and what is next? Purging of academics at all levels seems likely (especially given the new Secretary of Education).

And the "killing fields" may take on new meaning as asylum seekers flee north across the Canadian border.

Those who ignore history are doomed to relive it.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/24/17 07:02 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the #$!& in Washington.

Ha, ha, ha….good one. Although you could have stayed with the medical theme, as rectal orifice(s) would have worked……and then the #$!&(s) in Washington wouldn't have any idea what you said. Ha, ha, ha.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/24/17 11:27 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
And now we have expert opinions that Trump is indeed a nut case.

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
…and more and more mental health experts are adding the adjective dangerous as in "dangerous nutcase".

Referring to the media as "The Opposition Party", the White House has now banned key media outlets (CNN, New York Times, L.A. Times, Politico and others) from White House briefings. It's hard not to conclude that the ban is due to the these media reporting facts that the White House doesn't like reported.

Another nutcase, Hitler, wrote in Mein Kampf:

"“The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.”

According to the United Kingdom's History Learning site:

"Control of newspapers was put into the hands of Joseph Goebbels, the head of the Ministry of Popular Enlightenment and Propaganda. Goebbels set up a department within the ministry that dealt solely with newspapers. The newspapers had to spread the same message as everything else – Gleischaltung – the coordination of the whole of Nazi German society so that it acted and thought the same. Therefore people could only read the news as it was presented to them by the government."

The Hitler and Trump views/actions sure look the same to me.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/24/17 01:02 PM

And here's another example of manipulating facts: THE EPA HAS STARTED TO REMOVE OBAMA-ERA INFORMATION
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/25/17 01:53 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
... today's (and past days') headlines indicate that Trump's latterday pogroms are just beginning. If he were literate, he might well have taken his game plan from Mein Kampf.

The equivalent of the Night of the Long Knives (cf 1934) is underway; can his version of Kristallnacht (cf 1938) be far behind?

The news media, (im)migrants and the LGBT community are already on the chopping block. Who and what is next? Purging of academics at all levels seems likely (especially given the new Secretary of Education).

Those who ignore history are doomed to relive it.

The Brown Shirts are coming! The Brown Shirts are coming!

Trump Intensifies His Attacks on Journalists and Condemns F.B.I. ‘Leakers’

• In a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference, President Trump escalated his attacks on journalists and said that the FBI was putting the United States at risk.
• Hours later, reporters from The Times, CNN and Politico were barred from Sean Spicer’s office as he briefed journalists.

Tomorrow's headline today: Kim Jong Un and Trump Donald Vie for Bottom-Feeder-in-Chief Title
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/25/17 07:43 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
In a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference, President Trump escalated his attacks on journalists….

A centrepiece of Trump's attack was his contention that the media should not be allowed to quote anonymous sources, insisting that such sources allowed the media to release fake news. Trump said: "I'm against people who make up stories and make up sources."

And yet Trump believes it's okay if he uses anonymous sources to support the stories he makes up. In the afternoon of 8/6/12 Trump tweeted: "An 'extremely credible source' called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud."

And, of course, Trump stuck by his lie for years.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/27/17 01:23 AM

Is this what happened on November 8th? And can we get the right envelope* as well as an apology?

If It Were a Hollywood Movie, You’d Never Believe It

It is the nightmare scenario of every awards show: “Moonlight” won the Oscar for best picture, but not before “La La Land” was mistakenly announced as the winner.

* "The presenters had mistakenly been given the wrong category envelope and when discovered, was immediately corrected. We are currently investigating how this could have happened.”
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/27/17 08:01 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
A centrepiece of Trump's attack was his contention that the media should not be allowed to quote anonymous sources, insisting that such sources allowed the media to release fake news. Trump said: "I'm against people who make up stories and make up sources."

And yet Trump believes it's okay if he uses anonymous sources to support the stories he makes up. In the afternoon of 8/6/12 Trump tweeted: "An 'extremely credible source' called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud."

And, of course, Trump stuck by his lie for years.
As much as I hate to admit it, in today's news environment there is at least a grain of truth in Voldemort's assertions. News media have always relied on "unnamed sources" for news content. That anonymity being essential to not only protecting the source from retribution but assuring the source continued to be a "reliable" source. This worked well in the heyday of major news organizations such as the Associated Press, New York Times, the three major broadcast news networks, etc because those institutions spent a lot of effort and no small amount of money "verifying" those unnamed sources information, usually with at least two other unrelated sources. Their veracity was their stock in trade!

Unfortunately in today's internet news world, there is too often little or no editorial oversight and fact checking is often "That story fits my personal prejudices, especially the part that I made up to pad the unverified rumor the story is based on." Most of the old line news organizations still make some effort at editorial oversight and fact checking, but ever tighter budgets require more dependence on freelance reporters desperate to get published and perhaps a bit fast and loose with facts. Additionally, they are often overwhelmed by other big organizations catering to specific political viewpoints who believe supporting their agenda overrides any necessity to more than the nearest rumor behind the story and facts be damned. Institutions on all sides of the political spectrum are guilty of that, but from my viewpoint it appears those who support Voldemort are the most egregious by far.

Voldemort's complaints however begin to ring hollow when he excludes any organization that has the temerity to question anything he says. Even those notoriously biased In his favor such as Fox News have been vilified and barred from press briefings. His distorted view of the facts seems to be based on, "I am president emporer, therefore anything I say is by decree factual and to question it is tantamount to treason."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/27/17 08:22 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Voldemort's complaints however begin to ring hollow when he excludes any organization that has the temerity to question anything he says. Even those notoriously biased In his favor such as Fox News have been vilified and barred from press briefings. His distorted view of the facts seems to be based on, "I am president [emperor], therefore anything I say is by decree factual and to question it is tantamount to treason."

Time (for everyone) to re-read Animal Farm and 1984, n'est-ce pas?
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/27/17 09:21 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Time (for everyone) to re-read Animal Farm and 1984, n'est-ce pas?

I am already having nightmares, I don't need more.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/27/17 10:40 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: grelber
Time (for everyone) to re-read Animal Farm and 1984, n'est-ce pas?

I am already having nightmares, I don't need more.

Then you're probably destined for Room 222. tongue
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/27/17 11:08 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Then you're probably destined for Room 222. tongue

ROFL 🤣

At the moment that is about all I can do except bombard all my representatives in Washington and Austin. Unfortunately all but a few of them are about as smart as a box of rocks and think Voldemort's out house smells like a rose garden.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/27/17 05:05 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
News media have always relied on "unnamed sources" for news content. That anonymity being essential to not only protecting the source from retribution but assuring the source continued to be a "reliable" source. This worked well in the heyday of major news organizations such as the Associated Press, New York Times, the three major broadcast news networks, etc because those institutions spent a lot of effort and no small amount of money "verifying" those unnamed sources information, usually with at least two other unrelated sources. Their veracity was their stock in trade!

I have no reason to believe that it isn't still generally so with the major news suppliers. I think that, even in the race to get the news out first, most are of the view that "It's better to be second and right, than first and wrong". Once in a while an error is made but they are always quick to correct the record.

That's not so with the network-based outfits who label themselves as news outlets but simply make things up, much like the tabloids by the supermarket cash registers. And, correcting the record is something we will never see from Trump.

Trump has hurled many accusations of unfair or incorrect coverage while concocting the stories that he complains about. Most recently he railed against CNN, accusing them of making wrong statements, and he kept on doing so even after they showed that they had not.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/27/17 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
I am already having nightmares…..

The whole world is having headaches…..and they'll get worse tomorrow when he announces his decision to start an arms race.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/01/17 12:20 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
His distorted view of the facts seems to be based on, "I am president emporer, therefore anything I say is by decree factual and to question it is tantamount to treason."

Or, dishonesty is just in his DNA.

This week a Trump-branded building was opened in Vancouver B.C. and a news release from Trump Hotels said: "The twisting $360-million tower ... is one of the tallest buildings in the city at 69 storeys high".

However, their media contact for the Vancouver opening had to admit that the building is only 63 floors. To get to 69 they counted 6 below-ground parking levels.

Apparently it is not new for the Trump Organization to inflate building height. According to the New York Times , the Trump Tower in New York City is marketed as 68 floors but, in reality, is only 58.

Sad.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/01/17 05:15 AM

Typical behavior for a megalomaniac.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/01/17 10:33 AM

But wouldn't it be nice if the entire debacle south of the 49th could be simply dealt with in the same fashion as Hannibal Lecter does when he dispatches the Italian police official pursuing him: "Intestines in or out? Out, I think."
(Slash. Push. Splat.) tongue crazy
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/03/17 05:09 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
clearly, Trump believes the country's security is less important than his ego.

Of course? Nothing is more important than his ego?
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/05/17 06:59 AM

But of course ...

Señor Hitler calls 'em as he sees [seize?!] 'em ...

For Donald Trump, only traitors question the President of the US
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/17 12:01 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
But of course ...

Señor Hitler calls 'em as he sees [seize?!] 'em ...

For Donald Trump, only traitors question the President of the US

Then by his own definition and admission, Lord Voldemort is a traitor, because he most certainly questioned anything and everything Obama did while in office.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/06/17 12:20 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Originally Posted By: grelber
But of course ...

Señor Hitler calls 'em as he sees [seize?!] 'em ...

For Donald Trump, only traitors question the President of the US

Then by his own definition and admission, Lord Voldemort is a traitor, because he most certainly questioned anything and everything Obama did while in office.

If Bumblefoot and his coterie of cretins understood the syllogism, they probably still wouldn't understand the significance and irony. But then that's patently obvious with virtually everything that dribbles out of his beak or tweeter.

He doesn't even elevate himself to following Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics. (If he did, he would have long since self-destructed.) Sad. tongue
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/11/17 11:22 PM

Res ipsa loquitur. A worthy and pertinent read.

Margaret Atwood on What ‘The Handmaid’s Tale’ Means in the Age of Trump
Posted by: Pendragon

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/12/17 04:40 AM

Many thanks, kind sir. 'Tis now at the top of my reading list.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/12/17 05:34 PM

And now, it is obvious that unspeakable things are coming out of the woodwork: Steve King: Geert Wilders tweet sparks a social media backlash
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/23/17 06:55 AM

From the House Intelligence Chairman, Devin Nunes, we learn: “Trump's personal communications may have been collected through ‘incidental collection.’”

Oh.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/23/17 12:30 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
From the House Intelligence Chairman, Devin Nunes, we learn: “Trump's personal communications may have been collected through ‘incidental collection.’”

i.e. the DHS phone/computer tapping dragnets that we all hate?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/24/17 06:30 AM

And now Nunes' choice to bypass his panel colleagues and inform the White House about surveillance of the Trump team, though his public statement, is blowing up in his face. His very partisan move demonstrates clearly why there needs to be an independent probe.

As Congressman Adam Schiff of California said, Nunes was acting as a "surrogate of the White House."
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/24/17 07:36 AM

Or, as the NYTimes said, Rep. Nunes Is a Lapdog in a Watchdog Role
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/26/17 05:06 PM

Trump’s Triumph of Incompetence
Posted by: tacit

Re: Our next president?!! - 03/26/17 11:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Originally Posted By: ryck
From the House Intelligence Chairman, Devin Nunes, we learn: “Trump's personal communications may have been collected through ‘incidental collection.’”

i.e. the DHS phone/computer tapping dragnets that we all hate?


"Incidental collection" is a spook term for when you're tapping someone (say, Cletus T. Crimeboss or Igor Z. Spy) and you collect information from someone who calls the person you're tapping.

So what that means is they weren't tapping Trump; they were tapping a Russian, and Trump called the Russian they were tapping.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/12/17 01:31 AM

I Thought I Understood the American Right. Trump Proved Me Wrong.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/21/17 11:39 AM

And Trump chose this man: Jeff Sessions 'reminded' Hawaii is a state, and #AskTheresaMay criticises premier
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/21/17 03:28 PM

Hahaha…and I guess someone should remind Sessions that Hawaii isn't an island in the Pacific. It's a whole bunch of them.

I liked the comment of one responder who said the Trump group should be reminded that New Mexico is also a state….lest they put the wall in the wrong place.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/01/17 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Hahaha…and I guess someone should remind Sessions that Hawaii isn't an island in the Pacific. It's a whole bunch of them.

It seems Mr. Sessions isn't the only one to have little knowledge about the U.S. President Trump has suggested that Andrew Jackson could have prevented the American Civil War…that it (the war) could have been "worked out".

Hmmmm. Setting aside the fact that he was an unapologetic slave owner, Jackson died 16 years before the Civil War began. I wonder why Trump thinks he has to keep proving he's an ignorant dolt….everybody (except perhaps his base) gets it.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/17 12:38 AM

It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations.
They presented him the words: "And this, too, shall pass away."
How much it expresses! How chastening in the hour of pride! How consoling in the depths of affliction! ...
— Abraham Lincoln: Address to the Wisconsin State Agricultural Society, Milwaukee, Wisconsin; 1859-09-30.

Or how about: One Day We'll All Be Dead and None of This Will Matter ?
— Title of a collection of essays by Scaachi Koul (2017) about growing up the daughter of Indian immigrants in Canada, "a land of ice and casual racism," addressing sexism, stereotypes and universal miseries of life.
Posted by: 0adbylad

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/17 04:07 AM

As a UK resident i find it absolutely amazing that a country the size of the USA cant find two(or preferably more)citizens that are sound of mind have no chequered past to stand for president
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/17 06:54 AM

Originally Posted By: 0adbylad
As a UK resident i find it absolutely amazing that a country the size of the USA cant find two(or preferably more)citizens that are sound of mind have no chequered past to stand for president

There are plenty of people in this country that are of sound mind and have no checkered past who could run for president — but in the current political climate in Washington no one of sound mind would want to run for president.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/05/17 08:55 AM

As further evidence that Trump is a political idiot, Trump says Australia’s universal healt...with GOP stance.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/06/17 09:45 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
As further evidence that Trump is a political idiot…...

And evidence that Trump is incapable of the thinking required to form his own opinions. He never has a "thought" that isn't always perfectly aligned with the view of the last person who talked to him.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/09/17 10:06 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
There are plenty of people in this country that are of sound mind and have no checkered past who could run for president — but in the current political climate in Washington no one of sound mind would want to run for president.


I forget who said it nor can I quote them exactly, but it went something like...

"Any man capable of getting themselves elected president is unfit for the position"

(I thought it might have been a Mark Twain?)

That does seem to be the general trend for major political offices as of late. "Nice guys always finish last" seems to ring the truest in political races.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/10/17 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
"Nice guys always finish last" seems to ring the truest in political races.

Could also be "Honest guys always finish last."
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/25/17 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
I wonder why Trump thinks he has to keep proving he's an ignorant dolt….everybody (except perhaps his base) gets it.

Perhaps I spoke too quickly....it seems that Trump's base may finally be realizing that they've been taken by another carnival barker. .

And, for those still unconvinced, I'm pretty sure Trump's budget and healthcare visions should help them see the light - with his philosophy of get more for the very rich (tax breaks) on the backs of the poor (loss of food stamps and healthcare coverage).
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/29/17 02:26 PM

I thought the most humorous moment, in Trump's overseas tour last week, would be his lecturing the other NATO countries on the importance of paying one's debts.

I figured for sure that the irony of such castigations, coming from a guy who has stiffed employees and small business people, as well as repeatedly using bankruptcy laws to bypass financial obligations, would be the laugh of the week.

But I was wrong. There was that incident with the Pope. laugh
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 05/30/17 09:00 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
But I was wrong. There was that incident with the Pope. laugh

After that incident, I am waiting for the next Trumpal Bull (a.k.a. Tweet) banning anyone from "Catholic" nations from entering the country. Come to think of it, rather than blaming the messenger perhaps that should be a Twit instead of a {I]Tweet[/I].
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/06/17 12:22 AM

I'm surprised that some entrepreneur hasn't yet come out with a hacky sack with No 45's visage on it. Even the old and decrepit could get behind that implication and get some salutary exercise to boot. smirk

Happy D-Day + 73 !
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/07/17 06:45 AM

Donald Trump, the world's pre-emminent alarmist blowhard, does it again.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/07/17 08:39 AM

In a related article, Some U.S. Diplomats Stage Quiet Revolt Amid Tensions With Trump
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/07/17 10:17 AM

Watching Trump is like watching a limbo competition, where the participant is trying to see how low he can go.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/09/17 01:13 AM

Five months into No 45's reign/rain life in them there United States and especially in DC is looking more and more like Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-glass perversely conjoined with George Orwell's 1984, L. Frank Baum's The Wizard of Oz and assorted other dystopian adventures.
To quote the meister: Sad. crazy frown
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/09/17 01:14 PM

Following the Comey testimony we learned that Trump's lawyer is Marc Kasowitz, who has been employed by Trump for many years on various things but has little experience in criminal defense matters.

So, you ask, why wouldn't Trump get a lawyer who knows the ins and outs of the issues facing him? Michael Isikioff of Yahoo News reported that four top D.C. lawyers had refused to handle Trump’s defense - essentially because Trump is both a know-it-all and a piker likely to stiff them on the bill.

According to Yahoo: “The concerns were, ‘The guy won’t pay and he won’t listen,’” said one lawyer close to the White House who is familiar with some of the discussions between the firms and the administration, as well as deliberations within the firms themselves.

Is it Karma when your lifelong habit of skipping out on bills means you get an attorney ill-prepared for the task?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/10/17 06:39 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Is it Karma when your lifelong habit of skipping out on bills means you get an attorney ill-prepared for the task?

Meanwhile, across town Robert Mueller is assembling the strongest legal team possible, including top criminal law expert Michael Dreeben.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/16/17 01:54 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Meanwhile, across town Robert Mueller is assembling the strongest legal team possible...

And now we hear that Robert Mueller will be investigating Donald Trump for possible obstruction of justice , the very charge that brought down the Nixon government.

As well, we hear that Mr. Mueller will be investigating Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, for matters related to his business dealings.

To all of this I can only say: "You go, Bob." Gosh I'm enjoying this. Does it show?
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/16/17 03:12 AM

I'm not enjoying this. Our government is in disarray, the MIdeast is becoming, if possible, more unstable, and our very existence is in danger due to global warming and other atrocities perpetrated in the Anthropocene period. I would have much preferred that Trump and the Republicans had developed some sanity and ethics.

This is, to make a gross understatement, not good.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/16/17 07:46 AM

Clarification needed.....neither am I enjoying either the fact of Trump's Presidency or the entirely possible consequences. However, I am greatly enjoying the flurry of events surrounding Trump that may bring him down and prevent those catastrophes.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/16/17 10:04 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
... I would have much preferred that Trump and the Republicans had developed some sanity and ethics.

That's pretty much never going to happen. There has to be a neural and moral base on which to build, and that is usually developmentally established by the age of 5.
Psychologically unstable bozos — ie, Señor Hitler and his 60 million supporters — pretty much fall outside the pale of the possible.
In other words: You can't expect to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
So, strap yourself in and prepare for the wild ride to come.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/29/17 09:33 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I would have much preferred that Trump and the Republicans had developed some sanity and ethics.

Originally Posted By: grelber
That's pretty much never going to happen. There has to be a neural and moral base on which to build...

Now America's number one bully-boy Trump has launched a Twitter attack on a female journalist, and his press person Sarah Sanders has defended him suggesting this is just his way of countering an attack.

Perhaps both Trump and Sanders should borrow a dictionary and look up the meaning of sophomoric.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 06/30/17 10:41 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
So, strap yourself in and prepare for the wild ride to come.

Our American friends are not the only ones who may need to heed that advice. A week ago the Toronto Star's award-winning journalist, Bob Hepburn, wrote a piece stating that Trump should not be welcomed in Canada.

This week Mr. Hepburn commented on the profanity-laced vitriol that came his way from Canadian right wingers as a result of the column last week. Given that...

a) this past year the Conservative Party managed to raise millions in funding, and
b) in their recent leadership race they seriously considered a man who is a short version of Trump (without the aerie on his head)

....we should consider the response to Mr. Hepburn's column to be instructive, even if the responders do not represent a majority of Canadians.

Anyone wishing to support a lifetime ban on Trump entering Canada can do so here.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/25/17 05:27 AM

Just when everyone thought that President Trump couldn't possibly get any more childish, he fools us. In an address to the Boy Scout Jamboree he tells them that the media were dishonest and would not show the size of the Boy Scout jamboree on television.

Whaaaat?
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/25/17 01:12 PM

Our taxes pay for Senator McCain's health care. Why doesn't he care about the rest of us? Is he a toady for a president who derided him during the campaign? McCain Returns to Washington to Cast a Vote to Help the President Who Derided Him

As a fellow human being, I sympathize with his plight, but I cannot condone his vote, nor can I condone anyone who voted for this.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/26/17 06:28 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Our taxes pay for Senator McCain's health care. Why doesn't he care about the rest of us?

Because he is nothing more than just another two-faced Republican. Early in the day he is very clear that he is only voting to begin debate on repealing the Affordable Care Act. He is even clearer that he would definitely not vote for a Senate health care bill without major changes. And yet, later the very same day, that's exactly what he does.

And, in doing so, McCain goes along with the real Republican view on healthcare which is that it is only for those who can afford it. Why else would the Republicans be unyielding in their belief that private enterprise (the insurers) must be allowed to profit from the American citizen's health problems?

Obama realized that he could never get around that greedy position so he came up with a compromise. Everybody is in. The people who pay but don't use will support those who pay and do use (just like any insurance plan). He knew some of the people compelled to be in could not afford to pay (the poor people) so he added a tax-funded component called Medicaid.

However, Medicaid isn't private enterprise so the Republicans keep coming up with changes that would keep the private enterprise insurance piece (some pay and don't need, some pay and do need) while they toss out Medicaid, the piece that helps the poor.

The Republicans don't give a rat's ass about people who don't have money.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/26/17 08:21 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Just when everyone thought that President Trump couldn't possibly get any more childish, he fools us.

Globe and Mail writer Elizabeth Renzetti commented best on Trump's appearance before the Boy Scouts by comparing his address with those of two previous presidents:

“When George W. Bush addressed the Boy Scout jamboree in 2005, he gave the Scouts two pieces of advice: Listen to your mother, and remember to be true to your beliefs.

Fifty-five years earlier, another president, Dwight Eisenhower, used the jamboree to talk about the rights and responsibilities of citizenship: “True patriotism places the public good above individual advantage. It is not tainted by false pride in might, in size, in overwhelming power.”

Donald Trump chose to stand in front of thousands of Scouts and talk about “the hottest people” at a New York party, the fake-news media, the size of his electoral college win and how he might fire the secretary of health and human services, Tom Price, who just happened to be on stage with him.”

What can I say? Oh yes, "What a jackass!"
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/26/17 09:18 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
What can I say? Oh yes, "What a jackass!"
Please! Let's not insult jackasses. They have way more intelligence than this.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/27/17 02:27 AM

Trump Says Transgender People Will Not Be Allowed in the Military

If that doesn't definitively indicate that POTUS 45 is an egregiously/dangerously imbecilic fascist* bigot who's taking the whole country down the bottomless biffy, I don't know what does. The Founding Fathers weep.

[* "Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach." Sound familiar?!]
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/27/17 09:53 AM

The newest oxymoron: "Justice Department". Justice Dept. Weighs In Against Protections for Gays in the Workplace Or is it doublespeak?
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/27/17 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
The newest oxymoron: "Justice Department". Justice Dept Weighs In Against Protections for Gays in the Workplace Or is it doublespeak?

To maintain the metaphor (ie, 1984): Newspeak.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/28/17 01:15 AM

Now that the Avoidable Care Act has been well and truly toasted, White House staffers are turning on each other and chowing down — more than a frisson of fubar. And that ain't fake news.

As for the latter, SNL's new series, Weekend Update, promises to be the bee's knees. Yowzah.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/28/17 07:29 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Our taxes pay for Senator McCain's health care. Why doesn't he care about the rest of us?

Originally Posted By: ryck
Because he is nothing more than just another two-faced Republican.

And then Senator McCain makes my words look stupid by kicking the act (and President Trump) in the butt. I wonder which vegetables go best with crow?
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/28/17 09:05 AM

Don't be so hard on yourself. There was an editorial in the San Francisco Chronicle a couple days ago chastising McCain for voting to allow consideration of a pseudo-health care proposal. The same sentiments were repeated by Arizona newspapers. Specifically, McCain can talk the talk (his speech upon returning to the Senate) but can he walk the walk; i.e., his recent (at that time) vote? Perhaps some of those, along with his constituents, had an impact on him (cf. his recent vote).
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/28/17 04:57 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
....White House staffers are turning on each other and chowing down — more than a frisson of fubar. And that ain't fake news.

As for the latter, SNL's new series, Weekend Update, promises to be the bee's knees. Yowzah.

Definitely no lack of material. The disfunction in the White House this past week was succinctly wrapped up by Anderson Cooper's lead-in to his show today.


"Good evening and welcome to the end of President Trump's "American Heroes Week". And, just when you thought it was safe to go to Happy Hour, there's more breaking news tonight. About 24 hours after it was revealed the new White House Communications Director called him "an f***ing paranoid schizophrenic", and accused him of being a leaker, Chief of Staff Reince Priebus is out as Chief of Staff. General John Kelly is in.

Now, before we get into details of how this all happened, let's just for a moment take a at all the frankly bizarre things that have gone on this week.

On Monday, Jared Kushner appeared before the Senate Intelligence Committee (it seems like a year ago) admitting he had four meetings with Russians. On the same day the President gave a speech in front of thousands of cheering and chanting Boy Scouts - a speech that the Boy Scouts later had to apologize for.

In the same vein, the Suffolk County Police Department today distanced itself from a speech the President gave in which he encouraged officers to be rougher with people they arrest.

Back to the timeline of the week... Tuesday the President said on camera what he had been saying on Twitter - that he was disappointed in Attorney General Jeff Sessions for recusing himself from the Russian investigation.

The President followed that up bright and early Wednesday, announcing on Twitter that transgender people were now banned from serving in the military - an announcement the military said the next day "means nothing for now".

And yesterday we heard more than we ever thought we would hear about White House dysfunction from the mouth of Anthony Scaramucci.

Which brings us to today - Reince Priebus out. It turns out he resigned yesterday (he says) after the name-calling and allegations of leaking against him. We didn't find out about it until late today.

The first part, about what Scaramucci said about Reince Priebus in a phone call to CNN yesterday, insisted they were "bros". Not the type of "bros" that Scaramucci says he and the President are, but "bros" in a more biblical sense...(Quote from Scaramucci describing it like Cain and Abel)

Now, if you're not up on your Bible stories, Cain actually killed Abel.

Happy "American Heroes Week". Oh yeah, I nearly forgot to mention...in the early hours of today the Senate voted against the bill to repeal parts of Obamacare."
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/29/17 08:55 AM

Lewis Carroll must have had Trump in mind when he wrote about Wonderland. Trump Urges End of Filibuster to Pass Health Bill, Which Failed Without It. Here's a great quote:

But Mr. McConnell’s former chief of staff, Josh Holmes, cited Mr. Trump’s tweets on Saturday as he sardonically suggested a “search for the idiot who keeps putting the President on irrelevant and counterproductive crusades.”

The identity of the idiot is rather obvious...
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/30/17 02:23 PM

In case you haven't been paying attention — and who could blame you? — in recent days PTSD has been redefined as:
President Trump Stress Disorder — applying not only to the White House drama queens but to the US population in general (except those living in abject denial).
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/30/17 03:02 PM

One of the most interesting things this past week was a PEW Poll that found global confidence in world leaders "to do the right thing" was:

Donald Trump 22%
Vladimir Putin 27%
Xi Jinping 28%
Angela Merkel, almost doubling Trump at 42%

As interesting as those global numbers are, even more interesting figures were in the United States:

Donald Trump 46%
Angela Merkel 56%

It seems most of the American public is fully aware that Trump is squandering their influence in the world and that the Republican Party doesn't have the spine to do anything about it. Unfortunately, the Republican Court Jesters like Ryan and McConnell would rather kiss the King Clown's polka-dot butt than act in the interest of their country. Shame!
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 07/30/17 04:34 PM

What does Putin really want? Daniel Hoffman says it all in The Russians Were Involved. But It Wasn’t About Collusion. This makes complete sense to me.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/10/17 12:55 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
One of the most interesting things........was a PEW Poll that found global confidence in world leaders "to do the right thing" was:

Donald Trump 22%
Vladimir Putin 27%
Xi Jinping 28%
Angela Merkel, almost doubling Trump at 42%

This week we have President Trump, yet again repeating one of his most tiresome phrases "like the world has never seen", threatening North Korea with fire and fury. As would be expected, North Korea responded in kind.

I am quite sure each of the leaders is looking at the other and thinking "Man, is that guy unstable". And, of course, they're both right.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/10/17 01:38 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
I am quite sure each of the leaders is looking at the other and thinking "Man, is that guy unstable". And, of course, they're both right.

Time to get back to the Diefenbunker?! Or will "duck and cover" suffice?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/10/17 08:47 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Time to get back to the Diefenbunker?!

Maybe it's time for someone to tell the two kids that the adults will now take over.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/10/17 09:09 AM

Maybe it's time that these adolescents stop trying to prove who has the bigger dick.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/10/17 09:35 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Maybe it's time for someone to tell the two kids that the adults will now take over.

Sadly enough it appears their antics have been successful in driving out most the adults in DC and Pyongyang. According to a Washington Post article says that in a new poll half of the Republicans surveyed would be willing to postpone the 2020 election if Trump requested it.

Can you spell revolution?
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/10/17 10:44 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Maybe it's time that these adolescents stop trying to prove who has the bigger dick.

Corrections:
"adolescents" should read: "mental midgets".
"has" should read: "is".
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/10/17 10:57 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
According to a Washington Post article says that in a new poll half of the Republicans surveyed would be willing to postpone the 2020 election if Trump requested it.

Incredible, just incredible. It supports something I've always thought: "Sometimes stupidity is invincible."
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/10/17 12:39 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: joemikeb
According to a Washington Post article says that in a new poll half of the Republicans surveyed would be willing to postpone the 2020 election if Trump requested it.

Incredible, just incredible. It supports something I've always thought: "Sometimes stupidity is invincible."
IIRC, Nixon tried to float the idea that the 1972 presidential election (he was elected in 1968) should be postponed because the country needed him. I'm sure that enough stupid people swallowed this. As the saying goes, the two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/11/17 07:23 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
As the saying goes, the two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.

There's certainly an abundance of stupidity in the White House. Just as the U.S. is getting some backwater diplomacy going in order to cool things down, Trump stirs things up with a tweet that America is "locked and loaded".
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/11/17 01:03 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
There's certainly an abundance of stupidity in the White House. Just as the U.S. is getting some backwater diplomacy going in order to cool things down, Trump stirs things up with a tweet that America is "locked and loaded".

Trump would not be the first dictator or wannabe dictator to incite a war as an excuse for seizing power and suspending civil rights. Adolph Hitler was one the the more successful practitioners of that tactic, but there have been many others before and since. Fortunately none of them had nuclear weapons.

Unfortunately Trump does have nuclear weapons and it would appear that he may lack both the good sense and self control to not use them.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/12/17 12:48 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Unfortunately Trump does have nuclear weapons and it would appear that he may lack both the good sense and self control to not use them.

I go even further and say it's a certainty that he has neither the good sense nor the self control. In fact, in watching this unfold I wonder if he is being "played" by Kim Jong Un but doesn't have the wit to realize it. The North Korean leader seems to be doing what some of the candidates did during the Republican primaries - toss out some bait and watch Trump seize it.

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Trump would not be the first dictator or wannabe dictator to incite a war as an excuse for seizing power and suspending civil rights.

I'm sure there are enough checks and balances that such a take-over wouldn't happen in the U.S. However, we certainly are seeing the hawk come out with Trump's newest threats about a "military solution" for Venezuela. What a dreadful irony.....a President who didn't have the gonads to fight in a war (five times draft dodger) who thinks he should find a reason, any reason, to send young men and women off to do so.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/12/17 03:10 AM

I think that you mean Venezuela, not Argentina.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/12/17 06:59 AM

Got it, made change.....thanks. We need a rule: "Stay awake while posting". laugh
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/15/17 04:52 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Maybe it's time for someone to tell the two kids that the adults will now take over.

I was just thinking the same thing, but then it occurred to me... where are the adults? I could see China as a possible peer to NK, but who on earth would put Mr T in his place?
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/15/17 06:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
I was just thinking the same thing, but then it occurred to me... where are the adults? I could see China as a possible peer to NK, but who on earth would put Mr T in his place?

Certainly the EU leaders have tried but Mr T ignores him. Mr T has expressed his admiration of Putin but that is just one bully's admiration for a bigger more successful bully.
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/15/17 08:14 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Certainly the EU leaders have tried but Mr T ignores him*.

Well, what happens then is that the ‘spurned’ allies walk away from the US. The fact that Trump hasn’t yet replaced many of the diplomats he fired (or who resigned) after taking office hasn’t helped stop this trend, to the contrary. Heck, even US officials abroad complain about the lack of knowledgeable officials with sufficient authority in US diplomatic ranks to discuss important and time-sensitive issues with. This isn’t necessarily a new phenomenon with Presidential transitions, but one that clearly aggravates various other problems of the current Administration.


*) Inadvertent 'majestic singular'? tongue
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/22/17 06:57 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Certainly the EU leaders have tried but Mr T ignores them.

He ignores everybody.

With a solar eclipse there is pretty much only one rule: Don't look at it with unprotected eyes. While Trump was being cautioned, "Don't look. Don't look", the the meathead looked anyway.

Hopefully it's dawned on someone that that's the answer to the Trump problem: Wait until he's on a bridge and yell "Don't jump. Don't jump". laugh
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/23/17 07:51 AM

Originally Posted By: alternaut
Well, what happens then is that the ‘spurned’ allies walk away from the US. The fact that Trump hasn’t yet replaced many of the diplomats he fired (or who resigned) after taking office hasn’t helped stop this trend, to the contrary. Heck, even US officials abroad complain about the lack of knowledgeable officials with sufficient authority in US diplomatic ranks to discuss important and time-sensitive issues with. This isn’t necessarily a new phenomenon with Presidential transitions, but one that clearly aggravates various other problems of the current Administration.

Trump is running into a fundamental limitation of his policy. He doesn't hire people based on their knowledge and experience, his primary criteria is finding people that either agree with him or will follow instructions without question. (this requirement is incompatible with hiring based on knowledge/experience) Until now he's been replacing positions of authority and power here at home. When Trump dictates a policy, it just gets repeated by the yes-man he's hired, and those under him have to follow the new policy. That works fine (for him) in a pyramid-shaped system. Yes, it introduces incredible dysfunction in the system, but the wheels continue to turn, if even they head you off in completely the wrong direction. ("progress", but not the sort we like to see!)

This process doesn't work for diplomats. A big part of a diplomat's job is to negotiate with people. They can't just say "my boss said we do xyz, so YOU have to do xyz!" If you try that they will tell you to to get lost, and walk away from the table, and you have failed at your job. Maybe a few will bow to your demands, but for the most part they will laugh you out of their office. Trump just refuses to deal with people that he's forced to compromise with, and so he has no chance of finding an acceptable diplomat to post anywhere.

For the moment he's something of a dictator, but he's OUR dictator, and the rest of the world is just going to tell him to go pound sand. Trump doesn't tolerate people that can't get things done (which i suppose is a good quality?) and seems to recognize that it's a waste of time to fein negotiation, so I don't expect to see any of our resigning diplomats get replaced while he's still in office. No self-respecting diplomat would take the job, because it would be impossible (for anyone) to be an effective diplomat following his rules.

I foresee a mirror of this chaos when his term is over. There's going to be a great ruckus in the campaigning as to "who has the best / fastest plan to fix all the damage that happened over the last four years". Expect to hear a lot of that in 2019. On a normal election year, for the most part, partisan swap-outs don't go TOO overboard on a new administration. You'll see some of it of course, but the new head honcho is usually smart enough to realize "I don't like that guy and we don't see eye to eye, but he's doing a really good job and I'd be a fool to replace him", and so at least some measure of continuity remains between terms. BUT.... with Trump flushing/chasing so many people out the door, the backwash that results in 2020 is bound to be strongly partisan, and that's REALLY going to raise the stakes. It's not a matter of "Do I really want to replace this jerk that's doing a good job?", it's more like "I need to find bodies to replace all the incompetent morons surrounding me!" Expect to see a very conservative or moderate government emerge from the chaos, something that will have the usual back-and-forth oscillation for years (or decades?) to come before the waters finally calm back down a bit.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/23/17 08:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
I foresee a mirror of this chaos when his term is over. There's going to be a great ruckus in the campaigning as to "who has the best / fastest plan to fix all the damage that happened over the last four years". Expect to hear a lot of that in 2019. On a normal election year, for the most part, partisan swap-outs don't go TOO overboard on a new administration. You'll see some of it of course, but the new head honcho is usually smart enough to realize "I don't like that guy and we don't see eye to eye, but he's doing a really good job and I'd be a fool to replace him", and so at least some measure of continuity remains between terms. BUT.... with Trump flushing/chasing so many people out the door, the backwash that results in 2020 is bound to be strongly partisan, and that's REALLY going to raise the stakes. It's not a matter of "Do I really want to replace this jerk that's doing a good job?", it's more like "I need to find bodies to replace all the incompetent morons surrounding me!" Expect to see a very conservative or moderate government emerge from the chaos, something that will have the usual back-and-forth oscillation for years (or decades?) to come before the waters finally calm back down a bit.

It may take several presidential terms to undo the damage to the State Department and international relations Trump has done in six months by effectively neutering and dismantling the cadre of career diplomats that had evolved over generations. Rebuilding the many other federal agencies will be difficult, but nothing except long years of experience can replace the diplomatic corps.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/23/17 10:31 AM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
It may take several presidential terms to undo the damage to the State Department and international relations Trump has done in six months by effectively neutering and dismantling the cadre of career diplomats that had evolved over generations. Rebuilding the many other federal agencies will be difficult, but nothing except long years of experience can replace the diplomatic corps.

Yep. experience, and trust, often a trust that has taken decades to grow.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/23/17 10:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
Yep. experience, and trust, often a trust that has taken decades to grow.

And trust can be lost in minutes if not seconds frown
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/24/17 12:18 AM

International news panel (Midori House on Monocle 24) has taken to referring to the President's public diatribes and other babblings as "blurts". Sad. But perfect. grin
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 08/31/17 07:00 AM

As a Texan, you may have noted that Trump didn't say anything about this when he was addressing the flood victims in your state and pretending that he was on their side.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [ex] president?!! - 09/15/17 01:05 AM

Finally he's got it figured out: Take on the Democrats' agenda to circumvent the GOP's problematic support. Turn DC into Marvel. laugh

Trump Now Says He Backs Deal to Protect ‘Dreamers’

'President Trump said he supported legislation to protect young undocumented immigrants while delivering a “massive” increase in border security but no border wall.' (And Smirk Schumer likes him too. Amy not so much.)

As Trump Bends on Immigration, G.O.P. Fears Breaking Point

'The president’s surprising alliance with Democrats on a “Dreamers” deal has elevated the one issue that most fiercely divides Republicans, threatening the party’s broader agenda.'

Next step: While politicos haphazardly scurry around like naked mole rats on tainted meth, the Bold One will obliterate North Korea and thereby consolidate his new base.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 09/15/17 07:43 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
As a Texan, you may have noted that Trump didn't say anything about this when he was addressing the flood victims in your state and pretending that he was on their side.

It appears Trump and everyone in his administration is so tunnel visioned and short-sighted they are incapable of recognizing any interdependence between their actions and are so focused on NOW they are willing to sacrifice the future.

This seems to be endemic to the GOP. The administration in Austin is no better than the one in DC.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our [next] president?!! - 09/15/17 04:05 PM

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
It appears Trump and everyone in his administration is so tunnel visioned and short-sighted.........

.....and mind-numbingly petty. Trump overturned a logical piece of legislation, that would have helped many people in the future and would reduce future damages/costs dramatically, for no other reason than it was an Obama concept.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our [ex] president?!! - 09/20/17 01:06 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
... Next step: While politicos haphazardly scurry around like naked mole rats on tainted meth, the Bold One will obliterate North Korea and thereby consolidate his new base.

Trump-dee-doo, Part 2

Remember: you heard it here first ...

At U.N., Trump Threatens to ‘Totally Destroy North Korea’

Aside: I always thought that Gaia (aka God of Earth) took only passive interest in earthly machinations. But could it be that the ushering in of a certain political age has angered her sufficiently to cause the end of days?! Certainly, the massive earthquakes and hurricanes, interminable wars of various ilks, not to mention Rocket Man, have caused many affected to reflect on what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah. Before the abyss opens, the religious centers of the world will be filled to overflowing.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/20/17 09:36 AM

as twisted as it seems on the surface, Trump may be the one person in a position of power that is enough of a loose cannon to actually scare (or somehow force?) that brat into behaving... wouldn't that be an interesting legacy? Leaving an "all things considered, there IS one thing he did that the whole world actually appreciated..."
(so long as he doesn't somehow start WW3 anyway!)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/20/17 11:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
as twisted as it seems on the surface, Trump may be the one person in a position of power that is enough of a loose cannon to actually scare (or somehow force?) that brat into behaving...

Or.....Trump handed him the best argument he could have for building a nuclear arsenal - "When a bullying lunatic like Trump can get to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, it behooves me and everyone else to be prepared."

And why wouldn't North Korea think so.....the maniac in the White House has just said he's prepared to slaughter 25 million people.

In my opinion, Trump has been outplayed. The North Koreans have watched how reactive he is, and Kim Jong Un has got him to make statements that have convinced other world leaders Trump is the nuttier of the two.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/20/17 02:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
as twisted as it seems on the surface, Trump may be the one person in a position of power that is enough of a loose cannon to actually scare (or somehow force?) that brat into behaving... wouldn't that be an interesting legacy? Leaving an "all things considered, there IS one thing he did that the whole world actually appreciated..."
(so long as he doesn't somehow start WW3 anyway!)

Is this a case of it takes a psychopath to scare a psychopath or is it they are both so psychotically juvenile they understand one another's babbling/tweeting? confused

In either case it is very very scary!
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/20/17 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
In my opinion, Trump has been outplayed. The North Koreans have watched how reactive he is, and Kim Jong Un has got him to make statements that have convinced other world leaders Trump is the nuttier of the two.

And, as though a Trump wasn't certain that world leaders were convinced that he has absolutely zero grasp on world affairs, he decided to remove all doubt at a lunch with leaders of African nations.

Har, har, har. You just can't make this stuff up. Har, har, har.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/21/17 03:05 AM

That's as good as Dan Quayle's gaffe when he was Vice President. He visited several Latin America countries in South America and expressed regret that he had never studied Latin. Trump's gaffes, however, are more serious by far.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/21/17 06:40 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Trump's gaffes, however, are more serious by far.

For sure.....Trump is sending America's reputation, and status as a world leader, straight down the porcelain facility.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/22/17 08:54 AM

"North Korea: Trump and Kim call each other mad"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41356836

Well they're probably both right there.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/24/17 07:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Virtual1
"North Korea: Trump and Kim call each other mad"

And, as if that schoolyard bully name-calling wasn't enough, Trump has decided that he should scrap with NFL players. However the upside to the NFL spat (as if the President doesn't have more important things to do) is that it provides an opportunity to compare a reasoned response to Trump's brief diatribe.

This link. says it all.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/24/17 07:53 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
... as if the President doesn't have more important things to do ... )

He doesn't. crazy Haven't you been paying attention ?! wink tongue

Someone who spends the day relentlessly tweeting rather than attending to affairs of state clearly has no concept of the job much less the capacity to carry such out.

On the good ship Lollipop ... tra la (with sincerest apologies to the memory of Shirley Temple).
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/24/17 09:20 AM

I'm not a sports fan, but I fully admire the players and owners. N.F.L.: Tom Brady Locks Arms With Patriots During Anthem

EDIT: The name "Patriots" is entirely appropriate. I don't remember who said it, but dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/25/17 11:13 AM

Y'know ...

... if America's going to be led by the equivalent of a walking, talking infantile troll doll, it might be better to choose a TV personality with a proven track record in portraying an American president, to wit, Kiefer Sutherland ("Designated Survivor").

What's more, he comes with political credentials of a very meaningful sort: His maternal grandfather was Tommy Douglas, who founded the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation in the 1930s; it evolved into the New Democratic Party, which he also led. He and his party first advocated for programs such as "Medicare, a Canada-wide pension plan and bargaining rights for civil servants" which "are now ... firmly in place and universally accepted in Canada." [The Canadian Encyclopedia, 1985, p 508]

Couldn't hurt.
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/25/17 12:57 PM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I'm not a sports fan, but I fully admire the players and owners. N.F.L.: Tom Brady Locks Arms With Patriots During Anthem

EDIT: The name "Patriots" is entirely appropriate. I don't remember who said it, but dissent is the highest form of patriotism.


Wouldn't a simple solution be not to play the National Anthem prior to every sporting event? The United States is the only country in the world (go ahead and refute this statement! smirk ) that plays its anthem prior to sporting events.

Of course that could open arguments as to what should be played. Hmm. How about nothing?!
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/27/17 07:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Ira L
Wouldn't a simple solution be not to play the National Anthem prior to every sporting event? The United States is the only country in the world (go ahead and refute this statement! smirk ) that plays its anthem prior to sporting events.

As my total knowledge of sports could probably fit into a gnat's cap, I can't comment with first-hand knowledge. However, I checked with my wife, who knows lots about sports (particularly if it involves Canadian teams) and was informed: "We play the national anthem prior to games and, if there's a team from another country, we play their anthem too."
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/27/17 07:37 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
I'm not a sports fan, but I fully admire the players and owners.

In Monday's monologue, Stephen Colbert shows very clearly that Trump's comments have everything to do with race.
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/27/17 09:14 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: Ira L
Wouldn't a simple solution be not to play the National Anthem prior to every sporting event? The United States is the only country in the world (go ahead and refute this statement! smirk ) that plays its anthem prior to sporting events.

As my total knowledge of sports could probably fit into a gnat's cap, I can't comment with first-hand knowledge. However, I checked with my wife, who knows lots about sports (particularly if it involves Canadian teams) and was informed: "We play the national anthem prior to games and, if there's a team from another country, we play their anthem too."


Interestingly, the Canadian anthem at hockey games is an imposition of the American entity, the National Hockey League (NHL):
"The NHL requires arenas in both the U.S. and Canada to perform both the Canadian and American national anthems at games that involve teams from both countries, and it is usual for both American and Canadian anthems to be played at Major League Baseball games involving the Toronto Blue Jays, the only Canadian MLB team." (Wikipedia)

Are there any other Canadian-only sports at which the Canadian anthem is played? I'll go out on a limb and say "no". crazy
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 09/27/17 11:09 AM

I recall standing at the end of a theatrical performance in London, England to sing "God Save Our Queen" and I had always assumed that was customary throughout the United Kingdom. National anthems are played at the presentation of medals at the Olympics. So the tradition of singing national anthems at events, including spring events, has a long and rich history.

Since 911, singing the Unite States national anthem at the beginning of all sorts of public events from baseball and football games to symphonic concerts as a symbol of our unity as a nation has become ubiquitous. I was unaware the practice was dictated by anything other than custom. What Herr Trump and his followers miss is our national anthem is in effect a tribute not only to the nation but to our constitution that GUARANTEES the individual right and privilege of legally protesting what any individual views as wrong or unjust. The NFL teams have clearly demonstrated the players, coaches, and owners recognize this guarantee and honor it. Sadly, this has also clearly demonstrated that our president is…
  1. Ignorant of the constitution he took an oath to protect and defend
  2. willing to flout the constitution by placing his own racial prejudices above it
  3. exercising his own freedom of speech to protest anyone else having freedom of speech.
Personally I think the actions of the NFL teams is a high point in professional sports and long may that continue. Maybe the political troglodytes in our country will get the message about the constitution they obviously missed in school.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/17 01:38 AM

The last couple of days I've been astounded at the spectacle of the U.S. Scapecoater-In-Chief using the deaths of the four soldiers ambushed in Niger to pat himself on the back and lie about previous Presidents' compassion for the fallen. I thought: "Well, this is about as profane as Trump can get."

I was wrong.

President Five Deferments outdid himself with the most insensitive comment possible to the young widow of Army Sgt. La David Johnson.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/17 03:11 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
The last couple of days I've been astounded at the spectacle of the U.S. Scapecoat-In-Chief using the deaths of the four soldiers ambushed in Niger to pat himself on the back and lie about previous Presidents' compassion for the fallen. I thought: "Well, this is about as profane as Trump can get."

I was wrong.

President Five Deferments outdid himself with the most insensitive comment possible to the young widow of Army Sgt. La David Johnson.

You expected compassion and kindness?!
The American people got what they signed up for. Stupid, stupid people.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/17 07:11 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
The American people got what they signed up for.

Except that a majority of voters wanted someone else, but the electoral system allowed the person with fewer votes to take the top office - just as the similarly flawed Canadian system is capable of doing. Both systems need fixing.

That being said, there definitely were a lot of dopes who voted for The Grand Orange.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/17 09:01 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
... the electoral system allowed the person with fewer votes to take the top office - just as the similarly flawed Canadian system is capable of doing. Both systems need fixing.

We stand a better chance of that happening (in our lifetimes) than south of the border, where the moose-mess is constitutionally enshrined in the form of the Electoral College.
Our system of "first past the post" is nominally far easier to fix.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/18/17 02:54 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
President Five Deferments outdid himself with the most insensitive comment possible to the young widow of Army Sgt. La David Johnson.

And I thought it couldn't get worse than that. Wrong again.
Posted by: alternaut

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/20/17 09:02 AM

That Quartz article only scratches the surface. FWIW, John Kelly’s criticism of Rep. Frederica Wilson indicated where Trump’s insensitive comment originated (with Kelly himself, via his friend Gen. Joe Dunford), and shows exactly how Trump managed to mess that up with his paraphrasing. It also shows how Kelly derails just as badly when he, like his boss, lets emotions take the better of him.

Btw, ‘it’ can always get worse, particularly when ego takes the upper hand over politics and diplomacy, and omissions due to bad preparation plus outright lies ‘for the cause’ determine official responses. Consequently, this is to be continued…
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/20/17 02:22 PM

Originally Posted By: alternaut
FWIW, John Kelly’s criticism of Rep. Frederica Wilson indicated where Trump’s insensitive comment originated (with Kelly himself, via his friend Gen. Joe Dunford), and shows exactly how Trump managed to mess that up with his paraphrasing.

And, of course, General Kelly is confirming what everyone already knew: Donald Trump is a liar.

Trump has continually bleated "I never said that" accompanied by his typical threats "Let the Congresswoman accuse me again and see what happens" followed by his standard "I have proof". However General Kelly makes it clear that Trump did say what he denies having said, even if he meant something else.

Originally Posted By: alternaut
Btw, ‘it’ can always get worse, particularly when ego takes the upper hand over politics and diplomacy....

That's for sure. It became more disgusting when Trump, in his typical "not me, not me" whining, said: "When I spoke with that woman......" He didn't have the simple courtesy to say: "Mrs. Johnson" or "Myeshia Johnson". He said: "That woman".

Is it possible to have less class than Donald Trump? I think not.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/21/17 01:01 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Is it possible to have less class than Donald Trump? I think not.

Never say never. With the collection of know-nothings The Donald has gathered around himself, anything is possible.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/23/17 11:28 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Is it possible to have less class than Donald Trump? I think not.

Originally Posted By: joemikeb
Never say never. With the collection of know-nothings The Donald has gathered around himself, anything is possible.

I suppose, but they'd sure have to work hard at it. Mrs. Johnson has been clear that Trump stumbled when trying to recall her husband's name, and yet the President finds it impossible to respond in a presidential manner.

Anyone else would call Mrs. Johnson again, apologize for any misunderstandings, and reassure Mrs. Johnson of the country's appreciation of her husband's sacrifice. Instead, the Great Orange Poobah decided that he should call the Gold Star Widow, mother of two tots and an unborn child, a liar.

Trump tweeted: "I had a very respectful conversation with the widow of Sgt. La David Johnson, and spoke his name from beginning, without hesitation!"
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/29/17 02:35 AM

Back to the '60s again ... tra la

A Roadshow of Hate: Supremacist Rallies Fueled by Travelers From Afar
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 10/30/17 05:07 PM

Yup, and it's going to continue worsening as long as these dolts think President Bone Spur is on their side.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/01/17 08:32 AM

And, the situation will be unchanged as long as the President issues non-factual information in his tweets, and uses tragedies to further his political goals.

I watched a news conference this morning about the current status of yesterday's terrorist attack in NYC. I wondered why the various officials spent so much time talking about how these events will never defeat the American people. As the news conference unfolded, it became apparent that they were, in part, undoing the damage done by a tweet from the President.

Trump's Tweet: The terrorist came into our country through what is called the "Diversity Visa Lottery Program," a Chuck Schumer beauty. I want merit based.

Governor Cuomo: "The President's tweets were not helpful. I don't think they were factual. I think they tended to point fingers and politicize the situation.

He was referring back to an immigration policy that dealt with a lottery and blaming people who passed that immigration policy. His tweet wasn't even accurate as far as I'm concerned. That was a bi-partisan law that was passed that had, basically, no relevance to the facts of this situation.

As I said before, you play into the hands of the terrorists to the extent that you disrupt and divide and frighten people in this society.

And, the tone now should be the exact opposite by all officials on all levels.

This is about unification; this is about solidarity; this is about nomalization; this is about protection. And the last thing it's about is politics. Period."


Hmmmm. When is someone at the White House Daycare Centre going to realize that they need to take the toys away the Orange Manboy?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/08/17 09:10 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
And, the situation will be unchanged as long as the President issues non-factual information in his tweets....

When it comes to non-factual tweets, it would appear that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Har har har.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/08/17 09:26 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
As I said before, you play into the hands of the terrorists to the extent that you disrupt and divide and frighten people in this society.

AMEN brother! Since 911 we have been dancing to the tunes chosen by the terrorists.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/23/17 06:49 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Originally Posted By: Virtual1
"North Korea: Trump and Kim call each other mad"

And, as if that schoolyard bully name-calling wasn't enough, Trump has decided that he should scrap with NFL players.

And recently he's decided to scrap with Mr. LaVar Ball, father of the UCLA basketball player released by the Chinese....although, it may have a major upside. Trump's inability to understand his role and focus on it may work to everyone's advantage.

A writer for the Globe, Cathal Kelly, said it much better than I could....I quote:

"Ball floated into Trump's tunnel vision over the past week when his middle son, LiAngelo, a freshman at UCLA, was arrested for shoplifting while on tour with the team in China. In what might be the only successful foreign-policy intervention of his presidency, Trump convinced the Chinese to spring LiAngelo and two of his teammates.

When asked about Trump's involvement, Ball barked, 'Who?' The rest of what he said doesn't matter. He'd hit the target straight off. There can no better way to bait Trump than impugning his fame.

But, honestly, this is probably a best-case scenario. Ball is doing us all a favour – and I mean 'all humans' – by giving the President someone to fixate on. Trump needs a Binky. As long as he has his Binky, he will be less inclined to get out of his crib and spark a global conflagration on Snapchat."
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/29/17 10:15 PM

Just another day in Wonderland ~ Trumporia ...

A selection of malfeasance:

• Insult Native Americans across the board and over the centuries, from the Navajo code talkers to nation founders
• Incite and fuel anti-Muslim sentiment world-wide
• Continue to abuse the middle class via inane tax reform proposals

How much abuse can a nation or the world take before the beckoning abyss?

Perhaps he should for once do the honorable thing and follow the example of Slobodan Praljak, Bosnian war criminal, at his trial in The Hague — if only to spare the cost of having him declared incompetent and removed from office.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/30/17 06:13 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Perhaps he should for once do the honorable thing and follow the example of Slobodan Praljak, Bosnian war criminal, at his trial in The Hague — if only to spare the cost of having him declared incompetent and removed from office.

Ahh but, as many have pointed out, then we get Pence.

In the past the VP alternatives have usually been a fair amount more tolerable than the sitting president, but in this case maybe notsomuch.

Pence is interesting in his own right. I can't recall a VP so completely off the grid this far into a term. Maybe his image is just getting washed out in the blinding that is Trump?
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/30/17 06:19 AM

Pence would probably be worse than Trump because he's not stupid and knows how to play the game of politics. Sometimes, better the devil you know...
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/30/17 06:54 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Pence would probably be worse than Trump because he's not stupid and knows how to play the game of politics.

Yup....and as much as Pence denies it, all of his moves are designed either to run against Trump in 2020 or to step in at the first opportunity. And Trump is probably too stupid to realize that, as soon as opportunity presents itself, Pence will drive in the knife very fast, very deep.

It wouldn't surprise me if Pence has already had conversations with the GOP movers and shakers.
Posted by: Virtual1

Re: Our next president?!! - 11/30/17 09:33 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
It wouldn't surprise me if Pence has already had conversations with the GOP movers and shakers.

I can't imagine them seriously considering Trump for 2020. It would be interesting to see a party back someone other than their sitting president though, has that even ever happened?
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/01/17 11:57 PM

And there you have it ... tongue

A Historic Tax Heist

In which Republican donors pick your children’s pockets. Future generations will bear the cost of this terrible bill.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/02/17 06:52 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
In which Republican donors pick your children’s pockets. Future generations will bear the cost of this terrible bill.

It's beyond incredible that various Senators accepted the word of a President who is an inveterate liar and a House Leader who is as slippery as they come, that the shortcomings will get fixed down the road.

I particularly wondered about McCain, who won't be around to make sure these "promises" are kept, and Flake who won't be in office to do the same. What could they possibly have been thinking?
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/03/17 03:34 AM

When a certain numbskull* freely admits (ie, confesses) to obstructing justice, can articles of impeachment not be far behind?!
A correction is a-comin'.
Some might say: "BEST XMAS PRESENT EVER!"

* Or choose your own epithet:
fool, ass, halfwit, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, moron, imbecile, simpleton; informal dope, ninny, nincompoop, chump, dimwit, dumbo, dummy, dum-dum, loon, dork, sap, jackass, blockhead, jughead, bonehead, knucklehead, fathead, numbnuts, dumb-ass, doofus, clod, dunderhead, ditz, lummox, dipstick, thickhead, meathead, meatball, woodenhead, airhead, pinhead, lamebrain, peabrain, birdbrain, jerk, nerd, donkey, nitwit, twit, boob, twerp, schmuck, bozo, turkey, chowderhead, dingbat
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/03/17 08:01 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
....can articles of impeachment not be far behind?!

I’ve been thinking more about Flynn’s plea deal and the recent Presidential Pardon that Sheriff Arpaio got…..even before he was sentenced.

I think Trump played his hand too soon, with the pardon, and it worked against him with Flynn. Clearly Agent Orange wanted to send a message with Arpaio’s pardon: “Don’t worry. If anyone gets convicted of anything, I’ll take care of it.”

Mueller heard that message clearest of all and then played his cards. Here’s how I envision the conversation Mueller had with Flynn:

Mueller: “I believe you have two options, Mr Flynn. You can decide not to talk and instead rely on getting a presidential pardon because you were loyal to the president. Keep in mind that the president has a lifelong record of stiffing people who were loyal to him. Just ask his innumerable business associates, like the small business people driven into bankruptcy. Or if you want more recent examples, talk to people he tossed under the bus, like Rudy Giuliani or Chris Christy. While you’re at, it ask Jeff Sessions and Rex Tillerson how secure they feel.

Or, Mr Flynn, you can rely on a plea deal whose words will be crafted with the participation of your lawyers and which will be put in writing. What will it be?”

Flynn: “I’ll take door number 2.”
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/05/17 07:23 AM

Just came across this gem, descriptive of YKW*:

snollygoster (noun, slang)

One, especially a politician, who is guided by personal advantage rather than by consistent, respectable principles.

Origin: Perhaps alteration of snallygaster, a mythical beast said to prey on poultry and children; perhaps from Pennsylvania Dutch schnelle geeschter.

* YKW = you know who (in case it's not obvious)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/06/17 08:30 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Just came across this gem....

Or, for a real gem..... In our dreams.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/17 05:10 AM

👍👍👍

Posted by: Pendragon

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/07/17 10:23 AM

What Joe said.

Indeed I will view it several times...

Thanks for posting!
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/15/17 07:23 AM

Okay, nobody else has said it yet, so I will: "Thanks, Alabama".

I thought the begrudging congratulation from the Combover-In-Chief really showed how shallowly he thinks. He intimated that it was really only because of the write-in votes. Apparently he hasn't thought about what that means. From all the interviews I saw, people were doing a write-in vote because 1) Ideologically, they just couldn't vote for a Democrat and 2) because, ethically, they couldn't vote for a sexual predator.

It sounds to me like a significant portion of Trump's base was saying they couldn't bring themselves to vote for someone like him. It'll be interesting to see how that attitude affects the big election vote in 2020.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/19/17 10:53 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
Just came across this gem.....

Agent Orange just keeps 'em coming. This recent judicial appointment is a real belly laugh.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/19/17 11:02 AM

Why am I not laughing? Fortunately, he withdrew his nomination.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/20/17 05:58 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
Why am I not laughing?

I don't know why but, in my opinion, the United States President has (and will) create so much tragedy and sadness that it will be overwhelming if one allows it to be. Then, the fat orange kid in the White House Adult Daycare Centre wins. We don't stop opposing him, or calling out his more egregious acts, but I think we also need to grab whatever opportunities he offers, through his stupidity, to laugh at him. Otherwise, we'll all go bananas.

And let's face it....following the stupidity of this nomination, and the equally stupid idea that both clowns figured they could pull it off, was a pretty hilarious performance in front of that tribunal.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/22/17 11:51 PM

If This Is America
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/29/17 02:00 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
And there you have it ... tongue

A Historic Tax Heist

In which Republican donors pick your children’s pockets. Future generations will bear the cost of this terrible bill.

And now Marco Rubio muses "I wonder if we made a mistake?" Well, duh, Marco.

Why wonder now, Senator? Before voting you already knew that trickle-down was a dismal failure under Reagan and you had just watched what 10 years of corporate tax cuts did for jobs in Canada - absolutely nothing. And yet you voted for Trump's Bill, as though it'd be different this time.

You and your Republican cohorts didn't even get rid of the loophole involving so-called "pass-through businesses" that is expected to be exploited to its fullest extent by business owners. One of those business owners is Donald Trump, whose company is comprised of many pass-through businesses.

Really Senator Rubio, did you believe Trump when he said, about the tax bill: “It’s not good for me. Believe me.”
Posted by: Gregg

Re: Our next president?!! - 12/30/17 06:52 AM

Take heart! The nightmare will end in 2021. Ain't no way Trump gets enough votes to win the 2020 election, if he even decides to run again. A "close friend" of his predicted that he would resign before the end of 2017. Well, that didn't happen, but, who knows, maybe he will get bored with it and just quit. One can only hope.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/08/18 01:06 PM

I'll definitely be marking my calendar for every episode of this new series, Our Cartoon President. It's one show that sure never to run our of material....that is, until Trump is run out of office.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/11/18 11:50 PM

Another Trumptoon:

Is Mr. Trump Nuts?

Is there really a question here?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/12/18 11:22 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
url=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/is-mr-trump-nuts.html]Is Mr. Trump Nuts?[/url]

Is there really a question here?

Nope. He's definitely "a taco shy of a combination plate".
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/13/18 02:37 AM

Given more recent events — just check out the slew of editorials in The New York Times, for example — the presidential epithet, Señor Hitler, seems to well and truly hit the spot.

Let the pogroms begin! mad tongue Oh, wait ... they already have.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/17/18 12:03 AM

If this doesn't advance the Doomsday clock to 15 seconds before midnight ...

Proposal Would Widen Permissible Use of Nuclear Arms

A newly drafted US nuclear strategy that has been sent to President Trump for approval would expand “extreme circumstances” for nuclear retaliation to include a crippling cyberattack.
Posted by: jaybass

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/17/18 05:34 PM

I don't think many younger people realize the full consequences of a nuclear war.

I was in Hiroshima the following April after the bomb was dropped and the big problem is that you just can't go in and retieve the dead and dying because at that particular time in history, it was several weeks before anyone could enter although the Japanese didn't realize the catatrosphic effects of radiation.

And that was the smallest atomic bomb that could be made.

Imagine what a hydrogen bomb would do. I like many, are very concerned about the flippant attitude of Trump whose ignorance could kill millions of people, and they would mostly be South Koreans.

He is indeed a loose canon. Food for thought.

jaybass
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/18/18 06:49 AM

Originally Posted By: jaybass
Imagine what a hydrogen bomb would do. I like many, are very concerned about the flippant attitude of Trump whose ignorance could kill millions of people, and they would mostly be South Koreans.

He is indeed a loose canon. Food for thought.

Although the short term "friendly fire" deaths might be mostly South Koreans, they could end up being considered the lucky ones. The prevailing "westerlies" would inevitably distribute the fallout across the Pacific to the Japanese islands and the North American continent contaminating the air, water, soil, and food supplies. That could potentially result in the population of our entire continent suffering the ravages of radiation sickness for generations. Victory in a nuclear war is almost by definition pyrrhic.

But then the "stable genius" and his retinue might count a Pyrrhic victory as a win.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/18/18 08:53 AM

Ya know, a scenario on the order of the premise of Designated Survivor might be the singular salvation of the great democratic experiment. tongue crazy

(I'd sure vote for Kiefer Sutherland for president, as long as he guaranteed that his cabinet would consist of his writing staff.)
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/21/18 09:03 AM

Originally Posted By: ryck
....a Trump-branded building was opened in Vancouver B.C. and a news release from Trump Hotels said: "The twisting $360-million tower ... is one of the tallest buildings in the city at 69 storeys high".

However, their media contact for the Vancouver opening had to admit that the building is only 63 floors. To get to 69 they counted 6 below-ground parking levels.

Mr. Trump seems to think that lies about height are also useful if you don't want the public to know that you're obese.

Contrary to the way the rest of us are aging (getting shorter as the years pass) the President, according to his doctor, is getting taller. He used to be 6'2" but now he's 6'3" and weighs 239 pounds.

It turns out that 6'2" and 239 pounds translates into a Body Mass Index rating of obese, but 6'3" does not. Har har har. Does the Combover-In-Chief actually think he's fooling anyone?
Posted by: Gregg

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/27/18 08:46 AM

He doesn't think, he just speaks (or tweets).
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 01/27/18 10:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Gregg
He doesn't think, he just speaks (or tweets).

I have come to a point where I have to disagree with this. The Trump uses tweets like a rapier to distract, confuse, and confound his friends as well as his opposition. In a face to face conversation, not officially on the record, he says one thing; then uses tweets to create the conflict and dissension he thrives on. One very thoughtful commentator has said, "We have had 44 presidents who, regardless of their political views, came into office determined to do what was best for the United States and its citizens. Mr Trump came into office determined to do what was best for Donald Trump and his personal finances." He went on to point out that in spite of Trump's supposed disassociation with Trump Enterprises, he receives daily, if not more frequent, reports from family members with White House access on the previous days business activities. Unfortunately there is no law requiring a president to place their finances in a blind trust but in respect for tradition and the people of the United States Trump's 44 predecessors all did so. In his international dealings Trump has negotiated with countries like Malaysia to set aside highly profitable concessions for Trump businesses potentially worth hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/04/18 01:45 AM

The President’s Unparalleled War on Law Enforcement

President Trump’s assault on the nation’s law enforcement apparatus is unlike anything America has seen in modern times.
It has raised fears that Mr Trump is tearing at the credibility of some of the country’s most important institutions to save himself.


The Memo Provides More Proof of Obstruction

We are seeing more signs of the president’s corrupt intent.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/07/18 09:13 AM

This is supposedly a historical Trump tweet from 2015-02-25 12:27 — proffered by Bill Maher:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
If the Dow Joans [sic] ever falls more than 1000 "points" in a Single Day the sitting president should be "loaded" into a very big cannon and Shot into the sun at TREMENDOUS SPEED! No Excuses!

Dare we hope?!
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/10/18 08:54 AM

GOP Squirms as Trump Veers Off Script With Abuse Remarks

Tax cuts and economic growth appear to be improving the party’s political position, but President Trump can’t stop antagonizing voters, especially women.

He appeared to ignore victims of sexual abuse and express doubts about the #MeToo movement, saying, “lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation.”
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/10/18 06:03 PM

Originally Posted By: grelber
He appeared to ignore victims of sexual abuse and express doubts about the #MeToo movement, saying, “lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation.”[/i]

Racist Trump probably meant to say "white lives are being shattered......." because he wouldn't care if a destroyed life was that of a black person, even if overwhelming evidence proved their innocence. Just ask The Central Park Five.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/12/18 04:36 PM

Originally Posted By: ryck
Racist Trump probably meant to say "white lives are being shattered......." because he wouldn't care if a destroyed life was that of a black person, even if overwhelming evidence proved their innocence. Just ask The Central Park Five.

This is very poignant this week as the Groper-In-Chief defends his White House wife beaters with tweets about due process - followed by spokesperson Sarah Sanders bleating about how much the President believes in it.

Huh. This is the same guy who rushed to judgment and took out full page ads in 1989 demanding that young boys, later proved innocent, be given the death penalty. I guess Trump and Sanders really mean there should be due process for white guys in the White House.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 02/19/18 03:33 AM

There be dragons ...

Here's a nice little presidential comparison:

How Does Trump Stack Up Against the Best — and Worst — Presidents?
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/02/18 06:35 AM

I find it interesting that Trump, who boasted during the campaign that "it just makes me smart" when confronted with the fact that he has evaded taxes for 20 years, is now busy attacking Jeff Bezos and Amazon with fake facts about the need to pay one's fair share of taxes. For example, Trump wrongly tweets that Amazon pays zero when they actually pay about $1 billion per year.

I wonder if it because:

a) Trump is again using the presidency to take care of his own financial interests (he owns a lot of retail space that has been dropping in value very fast as Amazon beats his tenants in the retail game), or

b) he's ticked off that Bezos' personal wealth dwarfs his by nearly 40 times, or

c) both of the above.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/02/18 08:14 AM

How to Serve a Deranged Tyrant, Stoically

The story of Seneca and Nero may show Trump advisers it’s not too late to come to their senses.
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/11/18 01:26 AM

The Law Is Coming, Mr Trump

The president has spent his whole career in the company of grifters, cons and crooks.

(New York Times editorial opinion)
Posted by: grelber

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/18/18 07:47 AM

Ain't it the truth ...

"When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President. I'm beginning to believe it."
— Clarence Darrow, lawyer and author (1857-1938)

Were he alive today, he'd likely crap himself and croak.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/18/18 08:16 AM

If you want to be truly frightened, read former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's recently published Fascism, a Warning. It left me wondering whether to take up protest signs, guns, or both to defend the Constitution of the United States and our democracy.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/19/18 07:14 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
The president has spent his whole career in the company of grifters, cons and crooks.

That may be but it appears that, even without contrition, white evangelicals forgive him. I guess they don't have TVs or read newspapers.
Posted by: jchuzi

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/19/18 07:55 AM

It seems that religious folk are as susceptible to hypocrisy as the rest of us (gasp!). After all, what does religion have to do with morality?
Posted by: Ira L

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/19/18 09:10 AM

Originally Posted By: jchuzi
It seems that religious folk are as susceptible to hypocrisy as the rest of us (gasp!). After all, what does religion have to do with morality?


Good observations. It is my perspective that if a politician of any persuasion agrees with and maintains your personal beliefs on GIGA—guns, immigration, gays, abortion—whatever they may be, you will forgive her/him any other transgressions.

A common retort by supporters of the current administration is "we are moving in the right direction". I take that to mean where GIGA is concerned, and nothing else really matters or makes a difference.
Posted by: joemikeb

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/19/18 10:39 AM

There is a group of younger evangelical ministers meeting to discuss how they can fence their message from politics, largely because they do not approve of Trump and the GOP conservatives stand on many issues.
Posted by: ryck

Re: Our next president?!! - 04/20/18 08:16 AM

Originally Posted By: grelber
The president has spent his whole career in the company of grifters, cons and crooks.

All who are dishonest people which, with Trump hanging around with them, makes one think "birds of a feather" .

After reading that account of Trump's desperate and dishonest efforts to get onto the Forbes list, one has to wonder why he isn't on a Guinness list for the most lies ever told.