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Given Sonoma is heavily optimized for a very different hardware architecture I would be surprised if Sonoma’s performance on “unsupported” Macs wasn’t degraded, potentially significantly degraded.

Yes, but I am running Sonoma 14.1


Pay close attention to where the cursor is when you press the key. I won’t swear ro it, but I think that makes a difference



I am tempted to ask “Have you tried Arc?” , but I won’t.

According to macOS Sonoma can be installed on 83 unsupported Macs with this tool I can use Sonoma on my (now obsolete) iMac. I'm sure that I won't do it because I can't assume that it will cause more trouble than it's worth. Comments?

Yeah, I', with you. I'll wait for 14.2 at least.

1. Sonoma 14.0 has got Safari 17.0.
2. This began happening in Ventura.
3. I can't find those key commands in either my menu bar or Prefs > Tabs. Found them under "Window."
4. I can't find any set of circumstances in which those key commands work religiously.

I guess Safari 17.0 is just plain bug infested: For instance, ⌘ ⇧ N doesn't work until I first invoke the command once from my menu bar.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But at least I now know what's happening and how to recover.

i may be mistaken, but as far as I can tell from the information provided it appears what you are seeing is normal in Safari 17.1 in Sonoma.

Given:

• Your screenshot implies you may have multiple Safari Windows open on your desktop
• ⌘⇧↓ is the Safari 17.1 shortcut for go to the next tab group and ⌘⇧↑ is the Safari 17.1 shortcut for go to the previous tab group

Try opening the Safari Sidebar (⇧⌘L) so you can see where the commands are taking you and see if that doesn't give you a clearer picture of what is going on.

Ex President Bonespur is in court with his "business empire" hanging in the balance.

Thanks Ira, I have just deleted the card in camera and ok so I put the card back in the computer to check and it is now empty.

I don't delete in camera because I have to see what's on it in my computer and then delete it from there. Thanks again, lesson learned.


jaybass

Good points. My mind went elsewhere - Tornado Alley and the ability of this process to make things round. Whenever you see tornado devastation, roofs have been ripped off the homes. I always wondered if the destruction could be less if the homes, particularly the roofs, were round, which could get rid of the structural items (e.g. eaves) that the winds catch.

I have observed that some digital cameras are particular about where their memory cards are erased. For "normal" behavior some require that the card be erased in camera. See if that makes a difference for you.

OS 13.6

I removed (3) memory cards from (2) cameras and trash the contents of (2) of them, The third one when dragged to the trash bin, was not accepted. I rebooted with the same result.

I highlighted the Nikon icon on the desktop and it says that there Zero bytes on disk for 2 items and that there is 124.7. GB available. Clicking on the folder inside, gives a content of 3.18 GB. This folder holds 112 items which appear when opened.

I have never experienced this problem before. How to resolve this dilemma?

jaybass

No problem. I'll take your AAARGH!!! as a signal I should wait a bit on Sonoma.

The "community" thing is new, but I've seen vids of houses being printed for quite a while now.

I wonder if the material being used will tragically absorb Texan heat or be a godsend insulator that will both keep the houses cool and save their owners money on energy at the same time. And that leaves the question of winter freezes unanswered.

The article lacks this important info.

My bad, ryck and all. I upgraded to Sonoma (14.0).

I've seen this on a TV "NewsMagazine" program before.

Not me, and I have upgraded two 27" iMacs to 13.5.2. (one a 2017 and the other a 2020). Could that be a clue... upgrades to desktops versus a laptop?

We've all heard about the negative impact of 3D printers, related to making illegal weapons. We have also heard the boast "Everything is bigger in Texas". Well, it turns out a company in Texas asked themselves: "What is the biggest thing we could make with a 3D printer?" and the answer was: "We could make homes."

Finally figured it out!

It doesn't happen on all Safari pages, but it happens on some when I hit ⌘ ⇧ ↓ . Hitting ⌘ ⇧ ↑ reverses it.

The closest I can come to discerning a common element on pages on which it happens is pages with text and images, such as Amazon product pages.

Now that I've finally got a handle on it, I can "research" it.

I won't even try to enumerate them, but since I upgraded to Ventura, I've run into all sorts of interface problems...things happening that shouldn't be happening, in my experience, in Finder and Safari...not serious, but annoying as all get out!

Anybody else?

I just discovered that my Location Services prefs were overridden, and options that I had disallowed had been allowed. That's not just annoying. It's nasty, and I might even say dangerous!

At the risk of beating the subject to death, the keyboard shortcuts are [b]NOT REQUIRED. If they were, I would not be using Arc — I never remember the shortcuts and have to rely on Cheat Sheet to even know what they are.


I have said you have to use Arc to understand it, but I just came up with a description for the experience that fits for me. Traditional browsers like, Netscape, Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and my long time favorite Safari are BETWEEN the user and the internet content. Arc puts the internet content AT THE FOREFRONT and makes itself as unobtrusive as possible. The App feature in Safari 17.x is a similar attempt, but Arc is even more inclusive.

And you read me as well as I read you.

Until just now, I had no particular idea what Arc was about. Its demand for an up-front email address is a deal breaker, so I never even launched it, let alone experimented with it, but as you've described it, it sounds like it requires more keyboard navigation, and presents less of a screen presence than even I prefer.

By way of example, I don't mind Safari's menu and tool bars. It's "eye candy," like FTM's "masthead," and other such stuff that takes up real estate but is both non-functional and distracting in the balance, that I don't want to see. And similarly, Safari offers enough keyboard functionality to satisfy me. I don't want to have to remember a slew of new commands to do basic stuff as seems to be the case with Arc.

In short, Arc sounds like an overkill version of my preferences while Safari comes pretty close to nailing them.

But I certainly appreciate your thinking of me.

I plead guilty as charged. I spent most of my professional life using stone-age tools to create what would eventually become the bleeding edge and developed a taste for it. To me, the really fun stuff is usually just ahead of that bleeding edge. If I am not trying something new, I very quickly get bored. Thus my fascination with Arc.

Given your indicated propensity for a clean interface and using keyboard shortcuts, I ASSUMED Arc's minimal screen presence with no tool bar, no menu bar, nothing on the screen but the current web page would be "right up your alley".

All of that, but I don't see any need to rethink my interaction with my browser and the Internet, particularly if there's going to be what appears to be a steep learning curve involved.

On the one hand, I'm sure that Safari can be improved upon, but on the other hand, I've never found myself longing for any particular sort of improvement.

You've always been like a kid in a toy store...searching for the newest and greatest toys, and in Arc, you seem to have struck gold, but I'm not as susceptible to the allure of what might lie beyond the next ridge, so I'll stick to my comfortable valley. i.e., Safari, until there's a compelling need to move on, rather then a merely fascinating one.

Well, there's a Catch-22 for ya, because doing so requires that I open an account with my email address.

Since you've already got an account, perhaps you'd consider making the request on behalf of those of us who don't care to share our email addresses with Arc?

theBrowser.company makes a point that they do not share user data, including email addresses with anyone. Given the fact that Arc is staking its reputation and future on that promise I am inclined to give it credence. Rigerous training of Spamseive has reduced my seen junkmail by roughly 75% with reasonable error rate in both directions. My biggest reduction came from cancelling my Google account.


In Arc go to Help > Share Feedback and make a request that be made optional. The developers are very responsive and with features coming, going, and changing on a weekly basis, next week's release might have it as an option. I haver already expressed a preference for using the built-in iCloud synchronization¹ and I am confident others would greatly prefer Google Cloud (which seems self-defeating to me).

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1. ask and ye shall receive, i just looked and the current version IS syncing via iCloud