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Re: Sonoma on older Macs joemikeb 10/03/23 02:04 PM
Given Sonoma is heavily optimized for a very different hardware architecture I would be surprised if Sonoma’s performance on “unsupported” Macs wasn’t degraded, potentially significantly degraded.
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Re: Weird Safari doings joemikeb 10/03/23 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by artie505
1. Sonoma 14.0 has got Safari 17.0.

Yes, but I am running Sonoma 14.1 smile

Originally Posted by artie505
4. I can't find any set of circumstances in which those key commands work religiously.

Pay close attention to where the cursor is when you press the key. I won’t swear ro it, but I think that makes a difference confused

Originally Posted by artie Young lady505
I guess Safari 17.0 is just plain bug infested: For instance, ⌘ ⇧ N doesn't work until I first invoke the command once from my menu bar.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But at least I now know what's happening and how to recover.


I am tempted to ask “Have you tried Arc?” , but I won’t. grin
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Sonoma on older Macs jchuzi 10/03/23 01:09 PM
According to macOS Sonoma can be installed on 83 unsupported Macs with this tool I can use Sonoma on my (now obsolete) iMac. I'm sure that I won't do it because I can't assume that it will cause more trouble than it's worth. Comments?
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Re: Sonoma...AAARGH!!! Gregg 10/03/23 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by ryck
No problem. I'll take your AAARGH!!! as a signal I should wait a bit on Sonoma.

Yeah, I', with you. I'll wait for 14.2 at least.
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Re: Weird Safari doings artie505 10/02/23 11:01 PM
1. Sonoma 14.0 has got Safari 17.0.
2. This began happening in Ventura.
3. I can't find those key commands in either my menu bar or Prefs > Tabs. Found them under "Window."
4. I can't find any set of circumstances in which those key commands work religiously.

I guess Safari 17.0 is just plain bug infested: For instance, ⌘ ⇧ N doesn't work until I first invoke the command once from my menu bar.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But at least I now know what's happening and how to recover.
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Re: Weird Safari doings joemikeb 10/02/23 09:18 PM
i may be mistaken, but as far as I can tell from the information provided it appears what you are seeing is normal in Safari 17.1 in Sonoma.

Given:
  • Your screenshot implies you may have multiple Safari Windows open on your desktop
  • ⌘⇧↓ is the Safari 17.1 shortcut for go to the next tab group and ⌘⇧↑ is the Safari 17.1 shortcut for go to the previous tab group


Try opening the Safari Sidebar (⇧⌘L) so you can see where the commands are taking you and see if that doesn't give you a clearer picture of what is going on.
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When schadenfreude is okay ryck 10/02/23 07:56 PM
Ex President Bonespur is in court with his "business empire" hanging in the balance.
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Re: memory card won't trash jaybass 10/02/23 04:52 PM
Thanks Ira, I have just deleted the card in camera and ok so I put the card back in the computer to check and it is now empty.

I don't delete in camera because I have to see what's on it in my computer and then delete it from there. Thanks again, lesson learned.


jaybass
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Re: Only in Texas, you say.... ryck 10/02/23 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by artie505
I wonder if the material being used will tragically absorb Texan heat or be a godsend insulator that will both keep the houses cool and save their owners money on energy at the same time. And that leaves the question of winter freezes unanswered.
Good points. My mind went elsewhere - Tornado Alley and the ability of this process to make things round. Whenever you see tornado devastation, roofs have been ripped off the homes. I always wondered if the destruction could be less if the homes, particularly the roofs, were round, which could get rid of the structural items (e.g. eaves) that the winds catch.
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Re: memory card won't trash Ira L 10/02/23 04:27 PM
I have observed that some digital cameras are particular about where their memory cards are erased. For "normal" behavior some require that the card be erased in camera. See if that makes a difference for you.
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memory card won't trash jaybass 10/02/23 04:07 PM
OS 13.6

I removed (3) memory cards from (2) cameras and trash the contents of (2) of them, The third one when dragged to the trash bin, was not accepted. I rebooted with the same result.

I highlighted the Nikon icon on the desktop and it says that there Zero bytes on disk for 2 items and that there is 124.7. GB available. Clicking on the folder inside, gives a content of 3.18 GB. This folder holds 112 items which appear when opened.

I have never experienced this problem before. How to resolve this dilemma?

jaybass
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Re: Sonoma...AAARGH!!! ryck 10/02/23 03:07 PM
No problem. I'll take your AAARGH!!! as a signal I should wait a bit on Sonoma.
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Re: Only in Texas, you say.... artie505 10/02/23 02:26 PM
The "community" thing is new, but I've seen vids of houses being printed for quite a while now.

I wonder if the material being used will tragically absorb Texan heat or be a godsend insulator that will both keep the houses cool and save their owners money on energy at the same time. And that leaves the question of winter freezes unanswered.

The article lacks this important info.
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Re: Sonoma...AAARGH!!! artie505 10/02/23 01:35 PM
My bad, ryck and all. I upgraded to Sonoma (14.0).
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Re: Only in Texas, you say.... Gregg 10/02/23 12:42 PM
I've seen this on a TV "NewsMagazine" program before.
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Re: Ventura...AAARGH!!! ryck 10/02/23 10:06 AM
Originally Posted by artie505
Anybody else?
Not me, and I have upgraded two 27" iMacs to 13.5.2. (one a 2017 and the other a 2020). Could that be a clue... upgrades to desktops versus a laptop?
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Only in Texas, you say.... ryck 10/02/23 09:55 AM
We've all heard about the negative impact of 3D printers, related to making illegal weapons. We have also heard the boast "Everything is bigger in Texas". Well, it turns out a company in Texas asked themselves: "What is the biggest thing we could make with a 3D printer?" and the answer was: "We could make homes."
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Re: Weird Safari doings artie505 10/02/23 01:23 AM
Finally figured it out!

It doesn't happen on all Safari pages, but it happens on some when I hit ⌘ ⇧ ↓ . Hitting ⌘ ⇧ ↑ reverses it.

The closest I can come to discerning a common element on pages on which it happens is pages with text and images, such as Amazon product pages.

Now that I've finally got a handle on it, I can "research" it.
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Ventura...AAARGH!!! artie505 10/01/23 09:12 PM
I won't even try to enumerate them, but since I upgraded to Ventura, I've run into all sorts of interface problems...things happening that shouldn't be happening, in my experience, in Finder and Safari...not serious, but annoying as all get out!

Anybody else?

I just discovered that my Location Services prefs were overridden, and options that I had disallowed had been allowed. That's not just annoying. It's nasty, and I might even say dangerous!
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Re: Try It, You May Like It. joemikeb 10/01/23 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by artie505
Until just now, I had no particular idea what Arc was about. Its dem[/b]and for an up-front email address is a deal breaker, so I never even launched it, let alone experimented with it, but as you've described it, it sounds like it requires more keyboard navigation, and presents less of a screen presence than even I prefer.

At the risk of beating the subject to death, the keyboard shortcuts are [b]NOT REQUIRED. If they were, I would not be using Arc — I never remember the shortcuts and have to rely on Cheat Sheet to even know what they are. tongue

Originally Posted by artie505
In short, Arc sounds like an overkill version of my preferences while Safari comes pretty close to nailing them.

I have said you have to use Arc to understand it, but I just came up with a description for the experience that fits for me. Traditional browsers like, Netscape, Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and my long time favorite Safari are BETWEEN the user and the internet content. Arc puts the internet content AT THE FOREFRONT and makes itself as unobtrusive as possible. The App feature in Safari 17.x is a similar attempt, but Arc is even more inclusive.
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Re: Try It, You May Like It. artie505 10/01/23 11:11 AM
Originally Posted by joemikeb
Originally Posted by artie505
You've always been like a kid in a toy store...searching for the newest and greatest toys, and in Arc, you seem to have struck gold, but I'm not as susceptible to the allure of what might lie beyond the next ridge, so I'll stick to my comfortable valley. i.e., Safari, until there's a compelling need to move on, rather then a merely fascinating one.

I plead guilty as charged. I spent most of my professional life using stone-age tools to create what would eventually become the bleeding edge and developed a taste for it. To me, the really fun stuff is usually just ahead of that bleeding edge. If I am not trying something new, I very quickly get bored. Thus my fascination with Arc.
grin

Originally Posted by joemikeb
Given your indicated propensity for a clean interface and using keyboard shortcuts, I ASSUMED Arc's minimal screen presence with no tool bar, no menu bar, nothing on the screen but the current web page would be "right up your alley". blush
And you read me as well as I read you. cool

Until just now, I had no particular idea what Arc was about. Its demand for an up-front email address is a deal breaker, so I never even launched it, let alone experimented with it, but as you've described it, it sounds like it requires more keyboard navigation, and presents less of a screen presence than even I prefer.

By way of example, I don't mind Safari's menu and tool bars. It's "eye candy," like FTM's "masthead," and other such stuff that takes up real estate but is both non-functional and distracting in the balance, that I don't want to see. And similarly, Safari offers enough keyboard functionality to satisfy me. I don't want to have to remember a slew of new commands to do basic stuff as seems to be the case with Arc.

In short, Arc sounds like an overkill version of my preferences while Safari comes pretty close to nailing them.

But I certainly appreciate your thinking of me.
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Re: Try It, You May Like It. joemikeb 09/30/23 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by artie505
You've always been like a kid in a toy store...searching for the newest and greatest toys, and in Arc, you seem to have struck gold, but I'm not as susceptible to the allure of what might lie beyond the next ridge, so I'll stick to my comfortable valley. i.e., Safari, until there's a compelling need to move on, rather then a merely fascinating one.

I plead guilty as charged. I spent most of my professional life using stone-age tools to create what would eventually become the bleeding edge and developed a taste for it. To me, the really fun stuff is usually just ahead of that bleeding edge. If I am not trying something new, I very quickly get bored. Thus my fascination with Arc.

Given your indicated propensity for a clean interface and using keyboard shortcuts, I ASSUMED Arc's minimal screen presence with no tool bar, no menu bar, nothing on the screen but the current web page would be "right up your alley". blush
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Re: Try It, You May Like It. artie505 09/30/23 07:55 AM
Originally Posted by joemikeb
Originally Posted by artie505
To be honest, I was intrigued by joemike's post, but after following a few of his links, I decided that barring an unforeseen Safari calamity when I upgrade to Ventura, I'm sticking with it. It may be lacking some Arc features that a power user like joemike finds attractive, but it works just fine for me, and after years of use, I'm comfortable and happy with it and don't feel like getting involved in a major learning curve to gain features that, at the moment, I see no need for. As far as I can tell, Safari combined with the Wipr and Roadblock extensions gives me all-encompassing privacy ans security.
CLARIFICATION
  1. ARC does NOT have any unique or high tech features. It is a solid stable browser based on the currently most widely used browser engine.
  2. ARC IS a COMPLETE RE-THINK of how users interact with the browser and the internet It is difficult to explain and you have to experience it to see if it fits with your internet work style..
  3. ARC is under active development, evolving rapidly with new revisions every Thursday and the developers are very responsive to user input.
All of that, but I don't see any need to rethink my interaction with my browser and the Internet, particularly if there's going to be what appears to be a steep learning curve involved.

On the one hand, I'm sure that Safari can be improved upon, but on the other hand, I've never found myself longing for any particular sort of improvement.

You've always been like a kid in a toy store...searching for the newest and greatest toys, and in Arc, you seem to have struck gold, but I'm not as susceptible to the allure of what might lie beyond the next ridge, so I'll stick to my comfortable valley. i.e., Safari, until there's a compelling need to move on, rather then a merely fascinating one.
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Re: Try It, You May Like It. artie505 09/29/23 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by joemikeb
Originally Posted by artie505
I understand joemike's response that the email address is for syncing between devices, but it should be optional for users who've got only one device or don't care to use Arc on other than one particular device.
In Arc go to Help > Share Feedback and make a request that be made optional.
Well, there's a Catch-22 for ya, because doing so requires that I open an account with my email address.

Since you've already got an account, perhaps you'd consider making the request on behalf of those of us who don't care to share our email addresses with Arc?
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Re: Try It, You May Like It. joemikeb 09/29/23 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by MG2009
Thanks, Artie. I , too, keep getting the “must” set up an account with one’s email … no matter which approach I use.

The fact that a browser insists that I give up my email address to use it gives me pause. Opera and others have not required that I do so. (I do not need to be on, yet another, email list to be bombarded with more promos and adverts.)

theBrowser.company makes a point that they do not share user data, including email addresses with anyone. Given the fact that Arc is staking its reputation and future on that promise I am inclined to give it credence. Rigerous training of Spamseive has reduced my seen junkmail by roughly 75% with reasonable error rate in both directions. My biggest reduction came from cancelling my Google account.

Originally Posted by artie505
I understand joemike's response that the email address is for syncing between devices, but it should be optional for users who've got only one device or don't care to use Arc on other than one particular device.

In Arc go to Help > Share Feedback and make a request that be made optional. The developers are very responsive and with features coming, going, and changing on a weekly basis, next week's release might have it as an option. I haver already expressed a preference for using the built-in iCloud synchronization¹ and I am confident others would greatly prefer Google Cloud (which seems self-defeating to me).

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  1. ask and ye shall receive, i just looked and the current version IS syncing via iCloud
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