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> Well, how old is your newest Mac? If you buy another, and snapback is still banished, will you downgrade the OS, or just Safari?

I'm teasing a little, of course, but it could become an issue for you.

My MacBook is only 5 months old, Gregg, so a new one is nowhere in the cards, and, under any circumstances, you're forgetting that a Mac *cannot* be downgraded from its "shipped-with" version of OS X.

As for downgrading Safari, I still have not determined whether that is possible without downgrading OS X at the same time, but this Apple Discussions thread suggests that it can be done. (I may experiment with my backup, but I'm not all that certain that I even need 10.5.8.)

Bottom line is that Apple will be supporting Leopard for a few more years, so I'll live behind the times (as I did until I skipped past Tiger and installed Leopard), if necessary, until I decide that I *must* catch up with the future.

Who knows... I may have to learn to live without SnapBack some day, but for the moment it is such an integral part of my browsing experience that I'm not about to give it up.

Snap-back, command-tab, tabs in the window label and then not, again! I guess we need to get used to change!

Never used 'snap-back' so I don't miss it. Have always opened to links in a new tab, no matter what browser. Changes on those never touched me. However, I really, really liked having an extra line for information in every single web page, not just when one link occupied and entire window! I guess I'll have to get used to seeing the single-windowed page jump down a line when I open that first new tab...

I guess my point is, many of these things are simple Terminal commands for settings already in the app. Why does Apple insist on making them inaccessible to the "masses?!" I dunno.

I don't mind a few changes, but I like choices, even better!

As for reverting to Safari 3, I'd suggest a standard upgrade/update I use for almost every app, Apple or not. Before updating any app, I 'archive' it and as many of its prefs I can find. Then, if the update has bugs that I didn't wait long enough to find out about, it's a fairly simple matter to unarchive the previous version. After several weeks of using the new app, I'll delete the archive to save a little disk space...

Another advantage of this archive method is that sometimes it becomes very hard to find a previous version of some apps (Apple being one of the worst offenders). YMMV.

I'm not quite sure where you're coming down on the question of using Terminal to make adjustments that aren't available in the GUI. Are you saying you don't or won't use Terminal in these cases?

I only ask in case you're not aware that you can force the tab bar always to be present with the

defaults write com.apple.Safari AlwaysShowTabBar 1

command.

...or just go to the View menu and select Show Tab Bar (Shift-Command-T).

> I guess we need to get used to change!

While I've never been averse to change I've also never been an immediate "jumper into the pool."

What mystifies me about this instance of change, though, is *why* SnapBack has been removed; maybe it's a coding thing that's beyond my comprehension, but I don't see any way it was because of lack of interest...certainly not because of complaints!

I am going to express a sentiment here, admittedly off topic, but this thread seems to have a lot of you present:

Great to see you all! I thought MF Forums was lost forever (CNET forums just didn't cut it). A special thanks to Cyn who e-mailed me to ask where was I (Kauai was the answer).

I feel better connected again.

Thank you one and all.

welcome back, Ira!

Nice to see you, again, Ira! (Your absence has been notableiced.)

Welcome home Ira